http://www.nb.no/ http://www.nb.no/English ---------------------------------------- From: "Hanne W. Heen" <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, June 9, 2017 5:13 AM To: "Norway List" <[email protected]> Subject: [NOR] Bygdebooks in Norway Hi everyone This is a link to the National library in Norway and to digitalized "Bygde" books. Some of this it's able to download, and some are possible to read in here. If you click on the book you will get a message that you are going to read it on net or someting like that. Of course they are all in Norwegian ?? Best regards from Hanne Norwaylist Archiveshttp://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=norway RESUBSCRIBE UNSUB http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/NOR/NORWAY.html guidelines http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~norway/guidelines.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

There is not a link to click on.. -------------------------------------------- On Fri, 6/9/17, Hanne W. Heen <[email protected]> wrote: Subject: [NOR] Bygdebooks in Norway To: "Norway List" <[email protected]> Date: Friday, June 9, 2017, 4:12 AM Hi everyone This is a link to the National library in Norway and to digitalized "Bygde" books. Some of this it's able to download, and some are possible to read in here. If you click on the book you will get a message that you are going to read it on net or someting like that. Of course they are all in Norwegian ???? Best regards from Hanne Norwaylist Archiveshttp://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=norway RESUBSCRIBE UNSUB http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/NOR/NORWAY.html guidelines http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~norway/guidelines.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Haven't checked your dates, but here is an calender, choose year : https://familysearch.org/wiki/en/Moveable_Feast_Day_Calendar_for_Norway Halvor in Lier -----Opprinnelig melding----- Fra: NORWAY [mailto:[email protected]] På vegne av Bev Anderson Sendt: fredag 9. juni 2017 09.43 Til: Norway List <[email protected]> Emne: [NOR] Ecclesiastical dates Could someone who understands these things please translate the Ecclesiastical dates for these records? These are baptism dates (the birth date is elsewhere on the transcribed records). As usual, I have no idea how to interpret these things or even find them on web sites (especially since they are also in abbreviated formats and I don't know what to think of that). 3334 <http://gda.arkivverket.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=1&filnamn =dp17291733&gardpostnr=1116&personpostnr=3334&merk=3334#ovre> 1751 4te a Tr Far Arent 3715 <http://gda.arkivverket.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=1&filnamn =dp17291733&gardpostnr=1243&personpostnr=3715&merk=3715#ovre> 1753 Jub. Far Arent 4243 <http://gda.arkivverket.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=1&filnamn =dp17291733&gardpostnr=1419&personpostnr=4243&merk=4243#ovre> 1755 d: 14 Far Arent 4552 <http://gda.arkivverket.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=1&filnamn =dp17291733&gardpostnr=1522&personpostnr=4552&merk=4552#ovre> 1756 D: 9 Far Arent 4909 <http://gda.arkivverket.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=1&filnamn =dp17291733&gardpostnr=1641&personpostnr=4909&merk=4909#ovre> 1758 Esto mihi Far Arent 5371 <http://gda.arkivverket.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=1&filnamn =dp17291733&gardpostnr=1795&personpostnr=5371&merk=5371#ovre> 1760 Sexag. Far Arent Mange Tusen Takk! Beste hilsen, Bev Norwaylist Archiveshttp://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=norway RESUBSCRIBE UNSUB http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/NOR/NORWAY.html guidelines http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~norway/guidelines.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

William Ogg seems to have been married in 1912. I don’t know what happened to his wife, but I’ll keep looking. It sounds like he was living in Pompey’s Pillar for awhile. Billings Daily Gazette, page 2 Wednesday, March 27, 1912, Billings, Montana WEDDING RECEPTION. A wedding reception was given by Mr. and Mrs. William Ogg of Pompey's Pillar in honor of Mr. and Mrs. George Williams, who were recently married In Billings. A large number of guests attended, refreshments were served at a late hour and ended in wishing the happy couple much success.

Hi everyone This is a link to the National library in Norway and to digitalized "Bygde" books. Some of this it's able to download, and some are possible to read in here. If you click on the book you will get a message that you are going to read it on net or someting like that. Of course they are all in Norwegian ???? Best regards from Hanne

I figured quite a bit out with Jerry Lloyd's great find. I located Mary Ellen's obituary, place of birth in Nevada, 1930 census and a first husband, William Ogg from Oklahoma along with information on Mary's daughter, Mary Elizabeth (Ogg) Vasquez who used the Bryan surname. Mary and JB Skophammer were witnesses. Altogether, Mary Ellen had four marriages and her mother had three. Mary Ellen (Sanders) Ogg Bryan Skophammer Junker Mary Ellen Bryan, born 3 January 1908, Winnemucca, Humboldt, Nevada; Died 26 July 1982, Portland, Multnomah, Oregon Mary Ellen Bryan, 74, of Canby, died at Providence Hospital in Portland Monday, July 26. She was born to Frank and Mary Sanders in Winnemucca, Nev. on Jan. 3, 1908.  She was raised in Wyoming and came to Portland in 1939. She stayed there until 1974 when she moved to Canby. She married William Bryan in Worland, Wyoming and he preceded her in death many years ago.  Mrs. Bryan was a member of the Catholic Church and was very active in volunteer work mainly with the Loaves and Fishes and was on the Senior Advisory Board at Clackamas Community College. Surviving are one daughter, Mary Vasquez of Canby; one brother, Leo Mitts of Spokane, Wash., one stepsister Alberta Fredrickson of  Miles City, Mont.; five grandchildren and five great grandchildren. Funeral services were held Friday, July 30 at the Canby Chapel of Everhart and Kent. Canby Herald – Canby, Oregon, 4 August 1982 1908:    Born  January 3, 1908, Winnemucca, Humboldt, Nevada 1910:    1910 Census: Jerome, Lincoln, Idaho; Helen M. Sanders, age 2 in Frank B. and Mary A.  Sanders residence 1913:    Marriage between Mother Mary A. (Daniels) Sanders and William Mitts on February 28, 1913 in Weber County, Utah; Mary was a resident of Kansas City, Missouri and William Mitts of Fremont County, Idaho; 1917:    Half brother, Leo William Mitts Born in Pompeys Pillar, Yellowstone, Montana; 1920:    1920 Census: Pompeys Pillar, Yellowstone, Montana; Marie M. Mitts, age 11, born Nevada in William W. and Mary A. Mitts residence 1920-1924    Mother Mary Ann (Daniels) Sanders Mitts divorced William Mitts 1920-1927    Mother Mary Ann (Daniels) Sanders Mitts married Herbert G. Starks Ca. 1926:    Married Husband #1 William Ogg  in Wyoming 1927:        Daughter Mary Elizabeth Ogg born July 11, 1927 in Worland, Washakie, Wyoming 1930:    1930 Census: Casper, Natrona, Wyoming; Marie Ogg, 19, born Nevada, with husband William Ogg, age 21, born Oklahoma and daughter Mary E. Ogg, age 2, born Wyoming in residence of her mother and stepfather, Herbert G. and Mary Starks 1933:        Married Husband #2 Noel James Bryan 1937:        Husband Noel Bryan Died June 6, 1937 in Casper, Natrona, Wyoming 1940:    October 16, 1940, Half Brother Leo William Mitts’ World War II Draft registration living with his sister,  Mrs. Mary Marie Bryan at 436 West Midwest, Casper, Wyoming; same address for her mother and stepfather Herbert and Mary Ann Starks who move to Portland. 1941:    Married Husband #3 John Bernard Skophammer on February 10, 1941 in Harrison, Sioux, Nebraska 1946:    On July 5, 1946 in Vancouver, Clark, Washington, Mary’s daughter Mary Elizabeth Ogg married as Mary E. Bryan to Manuel Vazquez. JB and Mary Skophammer are witnesses. 1956:    Skophammer Divorce on October 28, 1956 in Benton County, Oregon 1957:    Married Husband #4 Ernest Hans Junker on January 10, 1957 in Vancouver, Clark, Washington 1959:        Annulment June 1, 1959 in Portland, Multnomah, Oregon Took back name Bryan 1982:        Mary E. Bryan Died 26 July 1982, Portland, Multnomah, Oregon 1991;    Daughter Mary Elizabeth (Ogg) Vasquez died on January 29, 1991 in Deschutes County, Oregon; Social security application lists her surnames as Ogg, Bryan and Vasquez; Sarah Thorson Little -------------------------------------------- On Thu, 6/8/17, Lars E. Oyane <[email protected]> wrote: Subject: Re: [NOR] John Bernhard Skophammer (1892-1960) - his wives and marriages? To: [email protected] Cc: "Jerry Lloyd" <[email protected]>, "Mark Erickson" <[email protected]>, "Doris Waggoner" <[email protected]>, "Thelma Hartman" <[email protected]>, "Annette Bowen" <[email protected]>, "Sarah Thorson Little" <[email protected]> Date: Thursday, June 8, 2017, 3:03 PM Dear Jerry and other Listers! Thank you very much, Jerry, for a great message in regard to Mary Bryan’s social security record.  This is indeed «our» Mary, proved by the «Find-a-grave» entry for her: https://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GSln=Bryan&GSiman=1&GScid=39590&GRid=149983012& We already had her birthdate, Jan. 3, only the year was off… And then I find her in the 1910 census as Helen M. Sanders, aged 2, born in NV, residing in Jerome precinct, Lincoln Co, ID with parents Frank B. Sanders (40 TN - railroad contractor) and Mary A. (28 IA). In 1920 the mother Mary is remarried to William W. Mitts, and they reside in Yellowstone Co., MT A big question now is: ** Where in Nevada was Mary Ellen Sanders born, i.e. where in Nevada would Frank Sanders have lived as a railroad contractor?? Maybe newspaper articles can enlighten us on Frank Sanders and his life? By the way, if an obituary could be found for Mary E. Bryan (death date Portland, OR July 26, 1982), that would be wonderful! Thanks again for your great assistance in this matter! Very sincerely yours, Lars E. Oyane ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ On Jun 7, 2017, at 7:50 PM, Jerry Lloyd <[email protected]> wrote: Mary Bryan in the U.S., Social Security Death Index, 1935-2014 Name: Mary Bryan SSN: 540-28-7702 Last Residence: 97013 Canby, Clackamas, Oregon, USA BORN: 3 Jan 1908 Died: Jul 1982 State (Year) SSN issued: Oregon (Before 1951) ~~~~~~ -----Original Message----- From: Lars E. Oyane Sent: Wednesday, June 7, 2017 5:28 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [NOR] John Bernhard Skophammer (1892-1960) - his wives and marriages? Dear Mark, Doris, Thelma, Annette, Sarah and other Listers! I contacted the Clerk of Courts in Benton Co., OR back in November last year in order to obtain further details on the marriage and divorce of John B. Skophammer and his 2nd wife Mary, from whom he was divorced at Corvallis, OR in 1956. When I contacted them, I was told the files were out for microfilming, and only today have I received the copies which I asked for!  I will send you the entire files off line, as well as the marriage license for John and Mary which I subsequently obtained in scanned version this evening from Harrison, NE. But let me shortly tell you how I understand these documents: * Apparently Mary accused John for inhuman treatment, and at the time of the judgement John was residing in Hillsborough Co., FL.  The couple was married at Harrison, NE on Feb. 10, 1941. * From Sioux Co., NE I then received the copy of the marriage license confirming the marriage date of John Bernard Skophammer (48, divorced, born Colfax, ND) and Mary Ellen Bryan (32, widowed. born NV), both of Casper, WY. Her maiden name was Mary E. Sanders, and she was the daughter of F. W. Sanders (born in UT) and Mary Ann Daniels (born in MO). From this information I thought it would be «easy» to identify this 2nd wife of John’s, but no way!  No matter how I search the online records at ancestry.com, I come out empty-handed as far as Mary Ellen and her parents and first marriage is concerned!  Where do they hide?? The only thing I do find is from Casper, WY city directories that a seamstress Mrs. Mary E. Bryan resided 1939 and 1941 on 451 and 447 South Spruce in Casper, WY, while in 1937 and 1934 she appears to be the wife of Noel J. Bryan, a sign painter, but living on different addresses…(?).  Noel James Bryan was born in Washington Co., MO Apr. 7, 1900 and died at Casper, WY June 6, 1937, buried at Thermopolis, Hot Springs Co., WY. There are several family trees on ancestry including Noel James Bryan, and one of them refers to his wife as Mary E. OGG, but none of the trees have any further details... So where is Mary in the 1940 census?  And 1930, 1920 and 1910 censuses?? Thanks again for any suggestions you can give me in this matter! Very sincerely yours, Lars E. Oyane

Dear Sarah and other Listers! My goodness, are some of these emigrant families ever «twisted», but somehow most of them have to give in for our perseverance, and I am very grateful to you, Sarah, for having so well completed the biography of Mary Ellen Sanders Ogg Bryan Skophammer! I am indeed impressed! There is at this point not very much to be added about Mary and her life, the only things would be: ** The exact dates and places of her marriages to William Ogg and to Noel James Bryan? ** And maybe some biography on William Ogg, who also seems to be a «non-existing» person outside of the 1930 census!? Thanks again for your wonderful assistance in this matter! Am I ever happy to be part of the NORWAY-list! Very sincerely yours, Lars E. Oyane ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > On Jun 9, 2017, at 3:15 AM, Sarah Thorson Little <[email protected]> wrote: > > I figured quite a bit out with Jerry Lloyd's great find. I located Mary Ellen's obituary, place of birth in Nevada, 1930 census and a first husband, William Ogg from Oklahoma along with information on Mary's daughter, Mary Elizabeth (Ogg) Vasquez who used the Bryan surname. Mary and JB Skophammer were witnesses. Altogether, Mary Ellen had four marriages and her mother had three. > > Mary Ellen (Sanders) Ogg Bryan Skophammer Junker > Mary Ellen Bryan, born 3 January 1908, Winnemucca, Humboldt, Nevada; > Died 26 July 1982, Portland, Multnomah, Oregon > > Mary Ellen Bryan, 74, of Canby, died at Providence Hospital in Portland Monday, July 26. She was born to Frank and Mary Sanders in Winnemucca, Nev. on Jan. 3, 1908. She was raised in Wyoming and came to Portland in 1939. She stayed there until 1974 when she moved to Canby. She married William Bryan in Worland, Wyoming and he preceded her in death many years ago. Mrs. Bryan was a member of the Catholic Church and was very active in volunteer work mainly with the Loaves and Fishes and was on the Senior Advisory Board at Clackamas Community College. Surviving are one daughter, Mary Vasquez of Canby; one brother, Leo Mitts of Spokane, Wash., one stepsister Alberta Fredrickson of Miles City, Mont.; five grandchildren and five great grandchildren. Funeral services were held Friday, July 30 at the Canby Chapel of Everhart and Kent. > > Canby Herald – Canby, Oregon, > 4 August 1982 > > 1908: Born January 3, 1908, Winnemucca, Humboldt, Nevada > > 1910: 1910 Census: Jerome, Lincoln, Idaho; Helen M. Sanders, age 2 in Frank B. and Mary A. Sanders residence > > 1913: Marriage between Mother Mary A. (Daniels) Sanders and William Mitts on February 28, 1913 in Weber County, Utah; Mary was a resident of Kansas City, Missouri and William Mitts of Fremont County, Idaho; > > 1917: Half brother, Leo William Mitts Born in Pompeys Pillar, Yellowstone, Montana; > > 1920: 1920 Census: Pompeys Pillar, Yellowstone, Montana; Marie M. Mitts, age 11, born Nevada in William W. and Mary A. Mitts residence > > 1920-1924 Mother Mary Ann (Daniels) Sanders Mitts divorced William Mitts > > 1920-1927 Mother Mary Ann (Daniels) Sanders Mitts married Herbert G. Starks > > Ca. 1926: Married Husband #1 William Ogg in Wyoming > > 1927: Daughter Mary Elizabeth Ogg born July 11, 1927 in Worland, Washakie, Wyoming > > 1930: 1930 Census: Casper, Natrona, Wyoming; Marie Ogg, 19, born Nevada, with husband William Ogg, age 21, born Oklahoma and daughter Mary E. Ogg, age 2, born Wyoming in residence of her mother and stepfather, Herbert G. and Mary Starks > > 1933: Married Husband #2 Noel James Bryan > > 1937: Husband Noel Bryan Died June 6, 1937 in Casper, Natrona, Wyoming > > 1940: October 16, 1940, Half Brother Leo William Mitts’ World War II Draft registration living with his sister, Mrs. Mary Marie Bryan at 436 West Midwest, Casper, Wyoming; same address for her mother and stepfather Herbert and Mary Ann Starks who move to Portland. > > 1941: Married Husband #3 John Bernard Skophammer on February 10, 1941 in Harrison, Sioux, Nebraska > > 1946: On July 5, 1946 in Vancouver, Clark, Washington, Mary’s daughter Mary Elizabeth Ogg married as Mary E. Bryan to Manuel Vazquez. JB and Mary Skophammer are witnesses. > > 1956: Skophammer Divorce on October 28, 1956 in Benton County, Oregon > > 1957: Married Husband #4 Ernest Hans Junker on January 10, 1957 in Vancouver, Clark, Washington > > 1959: Annulment June 1, 1959 in Portland, Multnomah, Oregon > Took back name Bryan > > 1982: Mary E. Bryan Died 26 July 1982, Portland, Multnomah, Oregon > > 1991; Daughter Mary Elizabeth (Ogg) Vasquez died on January 29, 1991 in Deschutes County, Oregon; Social security application lists her surnames as Ogg, Bryan and Vasquez; > > Sarah Thorson Little > > > -------------------------------------------- > On Thu, 6/8/17, Lars E. Oyane <[email protected]> wrote: > > Subject: Re: [NOR] John Bernhard Skophammer (1892-1960) - his wives and marriages? > To: [email protected] > Cc: "Jerry Lloyd" <[email protected]>, "Mark Erickson" <[email protected]>, "Doris Waggoner" <[email protected]>, "Thelma Hartman" <[email protected]>, "Annette Bowen" <[email protected]>, "Sarah Thorson Little" <[email protected]> > Date: Thursday, June 8, 2017, 3:03 PM > > Dear Jerry and other Listers! > Thank you very much, Jerry, for a great message in > regard to Mary Bryan’s social security record. This is > indeed «our» Mary, proved by the «Find-a-grave» entry > for her: > https://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GSln=Bryan&GSiman=1&GScid=39590&GRid=149983012& > We already had her birthdate, Jan. 3, only > the year was off… > And then I find her in the 1910 census as Helen M. > Sanders, aged 2, born in NV, residing in Jerome precinct, > Lincoln Co, ID with parents Frank B. Sanders (40 TN - > railroad contractor) and Mary A. (28 IA). > In 1920 the mother Mary is remarried to William W. > Mitts, and they reside in Yellowstone Co., > MT > A > big question now is: > ** Where in Nevada was Mary Ellen Sanders born, > i.e. where in Nevada would Frank Sanders have lived as a > railroad contractor?? > Maybe newspaper articles can enlighten us on > Frank Sanders and his life? > By the way, if an obituary could be found for Mary > E. Bryan (death date Portland, OR July 26, 1982), that would > be wonderful! > Thanks again for your great assistance in this > matter! > Very sincerely yours, > Lars E. Oyane > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > On > Jun 7, 2017, at 7:50 PM, Jerry Lloyd <[email protected]> > wrote: > Mary > Bryan > in the U.S., > Social Security Death Index, 1935-2014 > > Name: Mary Bryan > SSN: 540-28-7702 > Last Residence: 97013 Canby, > Clackamas, Oregon, USA > BORN: 3 Jan 1908 > Died: Jul 1982 > State (Year) SSN issued: Oregon > (Before 1951) > > ~~~~~~ > -----Original Message----- From: Lars > E. Oyane > Sent: > Wednesday, June 7, 2017 5:28 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [NOR] John > Bernhard Skophammer (1892-1960) - his wives and > marriages? > > Dear Mark, Doris, Thelma, > Annette, Sarah and other Listers! > > I contacted the Clerk of Courts in > Benton Co., OR back in November last year in order to obtain > further details on the marriage and divorce of John B. > Skophammer and his 2nd wife Mary, from whom he was divorced > at Corvallis, OR in 1956. > > When I contacted them, I was told the > files were out for microfilming, and only today have I > received the copies which I asked for! I will send you the > entire files off line, as well as the marriage license for > John and Mary which I subsequently obtained in scanned > version this evening from Harrison, NE. > > But let me shortly tell you how I > understand these documents: > > * Apparently Mary accused John for > inhuman treatment, and at the time of the judgement John was > residing in Hillsborough Co., FL. The couple was married > at Harrison, NE on Feb. 10, 1941. > > * From Sioux Co., NE I then received > the copy of the marriage license confirming the marriage > date of John Bernard Skophammer (48, divorced, born Colfax, > ND) and Mary Ellen Bryan (32, widowed. born NV), both of > Casper, WY. Her maiden name was Mary E. Sanders, and she was > the daughter of F. W. Sanders (born in UT) and Mary Ann > Daniels (born in MO). > > From this information I thought it > would be «easy» to identify this 2nd wife of John’s, but > no way! No matter how I search the online records at ancestry.com, > I come out empty-handed as far as Mary Ellen and her parents > and first marriage is concerned! Where do they hide?? > > The only thing I do find is from > Casper, WY city directories that a seamstress Mrs. Mary E. > Bryan resided 1939 and 1941 on 451 and 447 South Spruce in > Casper, WY, while in 1937 and 1934 she appears to be the > wife of Noel J. Bryan, a sign painter, but living on > different addresses…(?). Noel James Bryan was born in > Washington Co., MO Apr. 7, 1900 and died at Casper, WY June > 6, 1937, buried at Thermopolis, Hot Springs Co., WY. > > There are several family trees on > ancestry including Noel James Bryan, and one of them refers > to his wife as Mary E. OGG, but none of the trees have any > further details... > > So where is Mary in the > 1940 census? And 1930, 1920 and 1910 censuses?? > > Thanks again for any suggestions you > can give me in this matter! > > Very sincerely yours, > > Lars E. Oyane >

Hello Tom, I would say: try a bygdebook of the area where your ancestor lived. Here you find some titles under the city of your choice (bygdebøker) <http://www.disnorge.no/genress/kategorier.php?intKatre=100012> site DIS Norge <http://www.disnorge.no/genress/kategorier.php?intKatre=99999> The books themselves are not online, but maybe you can become a member and than can do look-ups in the books themselves. I do'nt know precisely how you can reach these books. Good luck! Reina -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- From: Tom Mundal Sent: Friday, June 9, 2017 4:32 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [NOR] Hans Oleson Schreen / Mundal I have hit a frustrating dead end, and was hoping someone might be able to shed some light or point me in the direction of where to look. My great x 4 grandfather was Hans Oleson Mundal b.~1776 https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/census/person/pf01058393002968 (listed also in the digital archive as Hans Oleson Schreen https://www.digitalarkivet.no/view/97/pt00000000307336 This is where my family tree on this side starts. I cannot find any reference to Hans' parents. I searched through this mailing list and found something from the late 90's that referred to a possibility but it was unconfirmed at the time. Its frustrating when you can connect so many dots but run into a dead end like this. I'm planning a trip to Norway in 2018, and am hoping to have as much info as possible on my Norwegian heritage. Thank you for any info you may have. Tom Mundal

Dear Lenise, The probate record that you have found, is definitely for the «right» person. However, since the debts exceeded the income, there was nothing left for the heirs, and their names are omitted. A probate record was normally started within 30 days of the death of a person with a so-called «probate registration» (petition for administration). These probate registrations were often kept in separate books. Then there were separate books for «probate negotiations» and a third series of books for «probate settlements» (final papers). The book you refer to here, is the «probate settlements» book. From most areas in Norway there exist from the early 1800’s and onwards the «probate dockets» («skiftedokument»), including all business connected to the probate, registration, negotiations and settlements, all kinds of receipts, correspondence etc.), but these have not been filmed, and it is a very time-consuming activity to go thru them… Hopefully this helps you at least a little bit… Very sincerely yours, Lars E. Oyane ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > On Jun 9, 2017, at 1:04 AM, Lenise Cook <[email protected]> wrote: > > I am not familiar with probate records, but I found one I would greatly appreciate some help with. > > The probation question is the first listing on the page, left hand column - Hans Mortensen Sandvor, in Lurøe, dated 15 Aug 1835 > Quick link https://media.digitalarkivet.no/en/sk20090225690662 > permanent page link http://urn.digitalarkivet.no/URN:NBN:no-a1450-sk20090225690662.jpg > > I believe this is the Hans Mortensen from Sandvær who died 13 Mar 1834 and was buried in Buksnes, recorded as death #7 in the Lurøy parish record here http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:NBN:no-a1450-kb20050426030946.jpg > > > Is is usual for a probate to be recorded over a year after a person’s death? If this is not the Hans Mortensen I am looking for, please let me know so I can keep looking. > > If someone could help me with the translation of this record (at least the important parts and a rough idea of what the rest of the record contains) I would be very grateful. > > His wife’s name was Elen Christensdatter and they had at least one minor son - Jens Johan Hansen - but I am not able to make out enough of the handwriting to see if these survivors are mentioned. > > There are two numbered lists - one with only two items and one with ten. I can make out that the second, longer list seems to be a list of names with amounts written after them - is that a list of debts? assets? what people are inheriting from the estate? and what about the last items on the list with two columns of numbers (items 5-10). I have done some googling but have not found any satisfactory explanations that have helped me figure out the details of this record. > > Thank you for any help. > > Lenise > Norwaylist Archiveshttp://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=norway > > RESUBSCRIBE UNSUB > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/NOR/NORWAY.html > > guidelines http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~norway/guidelines.htm > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Could someone who understands these things please translate the Ecclesiastical dates for these records? These are baptism dates (the birth date is elsewhere on the transcribed records). As usual, I have no idea how to interpret these things or even find them on web sites (especially since they are also in abbreviated formats and I don't know what to think of that). 3334 <http://gda.arkivverket.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=1&filnamn=dp17291733&gardpostnr=1116&personpostnr=3334&merk=3334#ovre> 1751 4te a Tr Far Arent 3715 <http://gda.arkivverket.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=1&filnamn=dp17291733&gardpostnr=1243&personpostnr=3715&merk=3715#ovre> 1753 Jub. Far Arent 4243 <http://gda.arkivverket.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=1&filnamn=dp17291733&gardpostnr=1419&personpostnr=4243&merk=4243#ovre> 1755 d: 14 Far Arent 4552 <http://gda.arkivverket.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=1&filnamn=dp17291733&gardpostnr=1522&personpostnr=4552&merk=4552#ovre> 1756 D: 9 Far Arent 4909 <http://gda.arkivverket.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=1&filnamn=dp17291733&gardpostnr=1641&personpostnr=4909&merk=4909#ovre> 1758 Esto mihi Far Arent 5371 <http://gda.arkivverket.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=1&filnamn=dp17291733&gardpostnr=1795&personpostnr=5371&merk=5371#ovre> 1760 Sexag. Far Arent Mange Tusen Takk! Beste hilsen, Bev

Dear Tom, I am unable to help you directly, but I have posted your inquiry on the Norwegian digital archives website, which reaches out to most Norwegian researchers, so maybe someone can help? https://forum.arkivverket.no/topic/211554-hans-olson-mundalsskreen-f%C3%B8dd-1776-husmann-i-fj%C3%A6rland-opphavet-hans/ Good Luck and welcome to Norway, whenever… Very sincerely yours, Lars E. Oyane ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > On Jun 8, 2017, at 9:32 PM, Tom Mundal <[email protected]> wrote: > > I have hit a frustrating dead end, and was hoping someone might be able to > shed some light or point me in the direction of where to look. > > My great x 4 grandfather was Hans Oleson Mundal b.~1776 > https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/census/person/pf01058393002968 (listed > also in the digital archive as Hans Oleson Schreen > https://www.digitalarkivet.no/view/97/pt00000000307336 > > This is where my family tree on this side starts. I cannot find any > reference to Hans' parents. I searched through this mailing list and found > something from the late 90's that referred to a possibility but it was > unconfirmed at the time. Its frustrating when you can connect so many dots > but run into a dead end like this. > > I'm planning a trip to Norway in 2018, and am hoping to have as much info > as possible on my Norwegian heritage. > > Thank you for any info you may have. > > Tom Mundal

I have hit a frustrating dead end, and was hoping someone might be able to shed some light or point me in the direction of where to look. My great x 4 grandfather was Hans Oleson Mundal b.~1776 https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/census/person/pf01058393002968 (listed also in the digital archive as Hans Oleson Schreen https://www.digitalarkivet.no/view/97/pt00000000307336 This is where my family tree on this side starts. I cannot find any reference to Hans' parents. I searched through this mailing list and found something from the late 90's that referred to a possibility but it was unconfirmed at the time. Its frustrating when you can connect so many dots but run into a dead end like this. I'm planning a trip to Norway in 2018, and am hoping to have as much info as possible on my Norwegian heritage. Thank you for any info you may have. Tom Mundal

I am not familiar with probate records, but I found one I would greatly appreciate some help with. The probation question is the first listing on the page, left hand column - Hans Mortensen Sandvor, in Lurøe, dated 15 Aug 1835 Quick link https://media.digitalarkivet.no/en/sk20090225690662 permanent page link http://urn.digitalarkivet.no/URN:NBN:no-a1450-sk20090225690662.jpg I believe this is the Hans Mortensen from Sandvær who died 13 Mar 1834 and was buried in Buksnes, recorded as death #7 in the Lurøy parish record here http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:NBN:no-a1450-kb20050426030946.jpg Is is usual for a probate to be recorded over a year after a person’s death? If this is not the Hans Mortensen I am looking for, please let me know so I can keep looking. If someone could help me with the translation of this record (at least the important parts and a rough idea of what the rest of the record contains) I would be very grateful. His wife’s name was Elen Christensdatter and they had at least one minor son - Jens Johan Hansen - but I am not able to make out enough of the handwriting to see if these survivors are mentioned. There are two numbered lists - one with only two items and one with ten. I can make out that the second, longer list seems to be a list of names with amounts written after them - is that a list of debts? assets? what people are inheriting from the estate? and what about the last items on the list with two columns of numbers (items 5-10). I have done some googling but have not found any satisfactory explanations that have helped me figure out the details of this record. Thank you for any help. Lenise

It has been a long time since I have looked at Norwegian records. I thought I'd see what the new DigitalArkivet was like, but I can't seem to read the records after I find them. I need help reading and translating No. 150, the banns and marriage of Christopher Pedersen and Anna Johnsdotter. I get that they married 19 November 1848, but there is a lot of information that I am missing. SAO, Aker prestekontor kirkebøker, H/L0004: Banns register no. 4, 1848-1853 Quick link: https://media.digitalarkivet.no/en/kb20060301040011 Anna is the sister of my great-grandfather, Per. Both came to Norway and married there. Thanks for any help you can give me. Annette

Is there a way to access the transcribed databases in the new system? I can find the scanned images since I have the page numbers from the old DA, but I can't find the searchable databases. Annette<div id="DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2"><br /> <table style="border-top: 1px solid #D3D4DE;"> <tr> <td style="width: 55px; padding-top: 13px;"><a href="http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail" target="_blank"><img src="https://ipmcdn.avast.com/images/icons/icon-envelope-tick-green-avg-v1.png" alt="" width="46" height="29" style="width: 46px; height: 29px;" /></a></td> <td style="width: 470px; padding-top: 12px; color: #41424e; font-size: 13px; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; line-height: 18px;">Virus-free. <a href="http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail" target="_blank" style="color: #4453ea;">www.avg.com</a> </td> </tr> </table><a href="#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2" width="1" height="1"></a></div> On 6/8/17, Bev Anderson <[email protected]> wrote: > Thanks! Minnesota doesn't have nearly as much information online as one > could wish for. I was in genealogy heaven with DA#1, followed by > finding the Norway List. Fabulous genealogy info, GREAT people, > wonderful scenery and music on YouTube. My pride at being descended > from Norwegian immigrants (plus others) knew no bounds. > > If Minnesota has information online, maybe it's because we retain the > helpful genes of our Norwegian immigrant ancestors (we try, but we'll > never catch up to Norway). At one point (or maybe it's still true) the > most Norwegians and descendants of Norwegians found outside of Norway > were right here in Minnesota (ditto Sweden). The kings and queens of > both Norway and Sweden have visited us at various times because of that. > > The Scandinavian pride runs deep here, particularly out in the more > rural areas where people of those same immigrant ancestors still live. > > Beste, > Bev > > > > On 6/8/2017 10:59 AM, Anne Hildrum wrote: >> Actually Minnesota lets us have a lot for free. >> Love Minnesota >> >> Anne >> > > > Norwaylist > Archiveshttp://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=norway > > RESUBSCRIBE UNSUB > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/NOR/NORWAY.html > > guidelines http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~norway/guidelines.htm > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

Actually Minnesota lets us have a lot for free. Love Minnesota Anne -----Original Message----- From: NORWAY [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Rod Sent: Thursday, June 8, 2017 5:51 PM To: [email protected]; [email protected] Subject: Re: [NOR] digital archives Don makes an excellent point. We may grumble and murmur under our breath about changes but lest we forget -- access is still at the low low price of FREE. Who else besides the Norwegians and Mormons give genealogical information away for free? Rod Kurth On 2017-06-08 10:20, Don Angevine wrote: > So it wasn't just me . . . > > You know, in my second career I'm a highly trained Management Consultant, Organization Development Consultant, "Change Agent" some would call it -- helping organizations make changes for improvement -- leading people through creative problem solving . . . "who'd uh thunk it", right? BUT, even so, my attitude has always been, "if it ain't broke, don't fix it". > > I would be hard pressed to find anything I hate more than the tampering with -- changes to -- the original DA. One of the things I liked the most was that I could copy and paste, and save, an entire Folktelling schedule, table, for a farm, into an MS Word document in landscape, with all of its attendant information added, and saved to my own computer! Output from the new is so sprawling . . . Grrrrrrr . . . > > Well, flip the coin, and I am most grateful to the Norwegians for making all of this information available, AND FREE! Perhaps it goes without saying, we 'muricans would be looking for a way to make a $$$ from it! > > Don in Maine USA > > ---------------------------------------- > From: [email protected] > Sent: Thursday, June 8, 2017 4:51 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [NOR] digital archives > Hello Listers Has anyone noticed that the Digital Archives in Norway > can'nt be reached? Or has another "outfit" Is that the same norwegian > Digital Arkivet??? <https://digitalarkivet.no/ [1]> Reina Norwaylist > Archiveshttp://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=norway > RESUBSCRIBE UNSUB > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/NOR/NORWAY.html [2] > guidelines http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~norway/guidelines.htm [3] > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please > send an email to [email protected] with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > message > > Norwaylist > Archiveshttp://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=norway > > RESUBSCRIBE UNSUB > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/NOR/NORWAY.html [2] > > guidelines http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~norway/guidelines.htm [3] > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message Links: ------ [1] https://digitalarkivet.no/ [2] http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/NOR/NORWAY.html [3] http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~norway/guidelines.htm Norwaylist Archiveshttp://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=norway RESUBSCRIBE UNSUB http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/NOR/NORWAY.html guidelines http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~norway/guidelines.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dear Jerry and other Listers! Thank you very much, Jerry, for a great message in regard to Mary Bryan’s social security record. This is indeed «our» Mary, proved by the «Find-a-grave» entry for her: https://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GSln=Bryan&GSiman=1&GScid=39590&GRid=149983012& We already had her birthdate, Jan. 3, only the year was off… And then I find her in the 1910 census as Helen M. Sanders, aged 2, born in NV, residing in Jerome precinct, Lincoln Co, ID with parents Frank B. Sanders (40 TN - railroad contractor) and Mary A. (28 IA). In 1920 the mother Mary is remarried to William W. Mitts, and they reside in Yellowstone Co., MT A big question now is: ** Where in Nevada was Mary Ellen Sanders born, i.e. where in Nevada would Frank Sanders have lived as a railroad contractor?? Maybe newspaper articles can enlighten us on Frank Sanders and his life? By the way, if an obituary could be found for Mary E. Bryan (death date Portland, OR July 26, 1982), that would be wonderful! Thanks again for your great assistance in this matter! Very sincerely yours, Lars E. Oyane ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > On Jun 7, 2017, at 7:50 PM, Jerry Lloyd <[email protected]> wrote: > > Mary Bryan > in the U.S., Social Security Death Index, 1935-2014 > > Name: Mary Bryan > SSN: 540-28-7702 > Last Residence: 97013 Canby, Clackamas, Oregon, USA > BORN: 3 Jan 1908 > Died: Jul 1982 > State (Year) SSN issued: Oregon (Before 1951) > ~~~~~~ > -----Original Message----- From: Lars E. Oyane > Sent: Wednesday, June 7, 2017 5:28 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [NOR] John Bernhard Skophammer (1892-1960) - his wives and marriages? > > Dear Mark, Doris, Thelma, Annette, Sarah and other Listers! > > I contacted the Clerk of Courts in Benton Co., OR back in November last year in order to obtain further details on the marriage and divorce of John B. Skophammer and his 2nd wife Mary, from whom he was divorced at Corvallis, OR in 1956. > > When I contacted them, I was told the files were out for microfilming, and only today have I received the copies which I asked for! I will send you the entire files off line, as well as the marriage license for John and Mary which I subsequently obtained in scanned version this evening from Harrison, NE. > > But let me shortly tell you how I understand these documents: > > * Apparently Mary accused John for inhuman treatment, and at the time of the judgement John was residing in Hillsborough Co., FL. The couple was married at Harrison, NE on Feb. 10, 1941. > > * From Sioux Co., NE I then received the copy of the marriage license confirming the marriage date of John Bernard Skophammer (48, divorced, born Colfax, ND) and Mary Ellen Bryan (32, widowed. born NV), both of Casper, WY. Her maiden name was Mary E. Sanders, and she was the daughter of F. W. Sanders (born in UT) and Mary Ann Daniels (born in MO). > > From this information I thought it would be «easy» to identify this 2nd wife of John’s, but no way! No matter how I search the online records at ancestry.com, I come out empty-handed as far as Mary Ellen and her parents and first marriage is concerned! Where do they hide?? > > The only thing I do find is from Casper, WY city directories that a seamstress Mrs. Mary E. Bryan resided 1939 and 1941 on 451 and 447 South Spruce in Casper, WY, while in 1937 and 1934 she appears to be the wife of Noel J. Bryan, a sign painter, but living on different addresses…(?). Noel James Bryan was born in Washington Co., MO Apr. 7, 1900 and died at Casper, WY June 6, 1937, buried at Thermopolis, Hot Springs Co., WY. > > There are several family trees on ancestry including Noel James Bryan, and one of them refers to his wife as Mary E. OGG, but none of the trees have any further details... > > So where is Mary in the 1940 census? And 1930, 1920 and 1910 censuses?? > > Thanks again for any suggestions you can give me in this matter! > > Very sincerely yours, > > Lars E. Oyane >

Dear Mark and other Listers! Thanks a million for sending me so quickly the Gregerson obituaries. They are indeed a great help identifying this family! Very sincerely yours, Lars E. Oyane ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > On Jun 8, 2017, at 9:22 AM, Mark Erickson <[email protected]> wrote: > > HIM > > Madison Wisconsin State Journal > > Monday, December 21, 1998, Madison, Wisconsin > > Gregerson, George > > WISCONSIN DELLS - George Gregerson, age 94 of rural Wisconsin Dells, died > Saturday, December 19, 1998 at his residence with his family by his side. > George was born September 3, 1904 in Stavanger, Norway, the son of Carl and > Ellen (Meling) Gregerson. At the age of four and one half, his family > immigrated to the United States and located in Chicago, Illinois. In > September of 1929, he married Evelyn Hagborg. In 1941 they moved to the > Dells area. George w as a painter and painted many of the motels and signs > in the Dells area. He also was a self described gentleman farmer. > > George loved to sing and people loved to hear his beautiful tenor voice. He > was asked to sing for weddings and funerals, and quite often performed in > churches and nursing homes. For 15 years, he regularly sang at an area > nursing home. He applied his talent throughout the state of Wisconsin, in > the Chicago area, and was even invited to sing in Jamaica. This was his > gift from God which he was able to use up until the time of his passing. > George was a member of the Assembly of God Men's Ministries in Reedsburg, > Gideon Organization, and the Full Gospel Businessman’s Association > International. > > George is survived by his wife, Evelyn; a son, David; and many nieces, > nephews, and numerous friends. He was preceded in death by brothers Harold, > Raymond, and Charles; and sisters Clara Oakland, and Ellen Anderson. > Funeral services will be held Wednesday, December 23 , 1998 at 2:00 p.m. at > the BARABOO ASSEMBLY OF GOD CHURCH in Baraboo, with Reverend Gordon M. > Johnson officiating. Burial will be in the Walnut Hill Cemetery in Baraboo. > Visitatlon will be at the PICHA FUNERAL HOME of Lake Delton on Tuesday, > December 22, 1998 from 4:00 p.m. to 8:00 p.m. and on Wednesday December 23, > 1998 from 1:00 p.m. until the time of service at the church. > > > HER > > Madison Wisconsin State Journal > > Sunday, April 30, 2000, Madison, Wisconsin > > Gregerson, Evelyn > > WISCONSIN DELLS Evelyn Gregerson, age 90, of rural Wisconsin Dells, > Wisconsin died Saturday, April 29, 2000 at the Reedsburg Area Medical > Center. Funeral services will be held Tuesday, May 2, 2000 at 2:00 p.m. at > the BARABOO ASSEMBLY OF GOD CHURCH in Baraboo, Wisconsin with Reverend > Gordon M. Johnson officiating. Burial will be in the Walnut Hill Cemetery > of Baraboo. Evelyn was born December 18, 1909, in Chicago, Illinois, the > daughter of Henning and Hilma (Fisk) Ilagborg. She married George Gregerson > on September 7, 1929 in Chicago. Fivelyn attended 4 years of college and > had worked as a secretary at the Marshall Fields Department Store in > Chicago. Later she moved with her husband to the Dells area and farmed. She > also had worked at the Badger Ordnance. Evelyn was also very involved in > the Women’s Ministries through her church. Evelyn is survived by her son, > David; a sister, Helen Smith, of Wisconsin Dells; and many nephews, nieces > and cousins. She was preceded in death by her husband, George; her parents; > and two sisters, Lilly Johnson, and infant, Agnes. Visitation will be at > Picha Funeral Home of Lake Delton, Wisconsin on Monday from 4:00 p.m. to > 8:00 p.m. and on Tuesday at the Baraboo Assembly of God Church from 1:00 > p.m. until the time of service at 2:00 p.m.

Thanks! Minnesota doesn't have nearly as much information online as one could wish for. I was in genealogy heaven with DA#1, followed by finding the Norway List. Fabulous genealogy info, GREAT people, wonderful scenery and music on YouTube. My pride at being descended from Norwegian immigrants (plus others) knew no bounds. If Minnesota has information online, maybe it's because we retain the helpful genes of our Norwegian immigrant ancestors (we try, but we'll never catch up to Norway). At one point (or maybe it's still true) the most Norwegians and descendants of Norwegians found outside of Norway were right here in Minnesota (ditto Sweden). The kings and queens of both Norway and Sweden have visited us at various times because of that. The Scandinavian pride runs deep here, particularly out in the more rural areas where people of those same immigrant ancestors still live. Beste, Bev On 6/8/2017 10:59 AM, Anne Hildrum wrote: > Actually Minnesota lets us have a lot for free. > Love Minnesota > > Anne >

"If it ain't broke, don't fix it!" One of my favorite sayings! You read my mind, didn't you, Don?!? ;-) If it makes you feel any better, when I had to change the logos on my Bookmarks Toolbar to accommodate the new DA#3 logo and eliminate the ones that got the 404 error pages, I found this DA#2 link still works. The original DA#1 link works to find data I found years ago, including the emigration database that actually works (so far, right now, today). Well..., TODAY the two links work. Tomorrow? Who knows? https://media.digitalarkivet.no/en/ In my young career days (mid-60s), long before computers, myself and five other women were hired to staff six state police district offices in another state when they were used to having men only throughout the state (they didn't know what to do with us at first). Aside from our regular jobs for which we were hired, we were then transitioned into being police dispatchers before 911 was invented, on top of our regular jobs as clerks, secretaries, and receptionists. We were each in the six different offices alone throughout the state so we functioned as office managers and dispatchers (minus the pay), but we did our jobs efficiently and very well and earned respect the hard way by being very good at our multiple functions within the first year. I invented specialized filing systems in my office, among other things. Again, simplicity and ease of use was the key to successful specialized filing systems. I had no idea I had so many Norwegians in my databases. Besides updating my files with info from DA#2 (and I was nowhere nearly done with updates!), the other thing I've been doing is going back to the old DA#1 and making screen shots of the data in my files (in Mac's v. 9.2 my genealogy program loses the formatting), and saving the screen shots as jpgs with the Paint program (I also delete extra things on pages I don't need while I'm at it). I noticed that after the last changes to DA#1 the English headers have gone away after the first screen and now I have to get copies of the first screen with the English headers for the benefit of some younger relatives with whom I now share data, blend the correct found data with that in the graphics program, because they need the English headers. "The Norwegians have their genealogy data online on the easiest web site I've ever used, and they're all free!" used to be my laughingly triumphant jab at those who thought the US fee-based web sites were the bee's knees (when DA#1 was online - easy indices, easy search engine, complete emigrant ship's lists where I could see who, if anyone, traveled with the emigrants). My bragging rights have been taken away completely with DA#3. I'm still grateful for the free info, but if it's not as easy and practical to use as DA#1, then there's not much point in doing genealogy research in Norwegian records if all one is going to accomplish is frustration after frustration in battling this third new (not-fully-functioning!) database and ending up in tears trying to re-find information I found ten years ago in DA#1, can't find now to "update" links in my database for the second time in less than a year. How the heck am I going to teach newbie genealogists in the family if I can't even find what I'm looking for that I know should "be there?" In over 50 years of doing genealogy research, I have rarely had such a disheartening day as this. Beste, Bev On 6/8/2017 10:20 AM, Don Angevine wrote: > So it wasn't just me . . . > > You know, in my second career I'm a highly trained Management Consultant, Organization Development Consultant, "Change Agent" some would call it -- helping organizations make changes for improvement -- leading people through creative problem solving . . . "who'd uh thunk it", right? BUT, even so, my attitude has always been, "if it ain't broke, don't fix it". > > I would be hard pressed to find anything I hate more than the tampering with -- changes to -- the original DA. One of the things I liked the most was that I could copy and paste, and save, an entire Folktelling schedule, table, for a farm, into an MS Word document in landscape, with all of its attendant information added, and saved to my own computer! Output from the new is so sprawling . . . Grrrrrrr . . . > > Well, flip the coin, and I am most grateful to the Norwegians for making all of this information available, AND FREE! Perhaps it goes without saying, we 'muricans would be looking for a way to make a $$$ from it! > > Don in Maine USA > > > >