Dear Nancy! I cannot see that anyone answered this one, so let me try: Elen Marie «fød Stenersen», i.e. «nee Stenersen». The last word is the local place of residence - I cannot interpret that one «barnets Forældre, Jomfru» - «the child’s parents, Miss» «kirkesanger» - «school teacher» Hope this helps! Very sincerely yours, Lars E. Oyane ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > On May 18, 2018, at 9:19 PM, Nancy Hunt via NORWAY <norway@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > I need help with a translation, please. It's #112 Fritz Edvard Grønning's christening: SAT, Ministerialprotokoller, klokkerbøker og fødselsregistre - Sør-Trøndelag, 601/L0048: Parish register (official) no. 601A16, 1840-1847, p. 92 > Quick link: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20070921620176 > > -What're the additional letters after his mother's middle name: Elen Marie....?-What are the first 3 words in the next column? I think the second is "foreldre". > -What kind of "sauger" is Edvard Stinesen? > Thank you. > Nancy >

I need help with a translation, please. It's #112 Fritz Edvard Grønning's christening: SAT, Ministerialprotokoller, klokkerbøker og fødselsregistre - Sør-Trøndelag, 601/L0048: Parish register (official) no. 601A16, 1840-1847, p. 92 Quick link: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20070921620176 -What're the additional letters after his mother's middle name: Elen Marie....?-What are the first 3 words in the next column? I think the second is "foreldre". -What kind of "sauger" is Edvard Stinesen? Thank you. Nancy

Dear Jerry, Carol and other Listers! Thank you very much, Jerry, for telling me about this Christopher A. Ness who supposedly died in Preston, MN in 1885, but can you please tell me the source of this information? ~~~~~ > On May 18, 2018, at 4:47 PM, Jerry Lloyd <jlloyd@midco.net> wrote: > > Christopher A Ness > in the Family Data Collection - Deaths > > Name: > Christopher A Ness > > Death Date: > 1885 > > City: > Preston > > State: > MN > > Country: > USA > ~~~~~ But what I wanted to share with you under this topic is the information which Jerry sent me off list showing a picture of Christian Olson Dahl and some fellow soldiers and also including his death date of July 3, 1863! This information again shows up in an ancestry family tree showing he was indeed part of Company I of the Wisconsin 8th Infantry. But then, if we compare with what Sarah wrote on May 13: >> Christian Olson Dahl was in Company I of the Wisconsin 8thInfantry. The card below him is forPeter B. Dahl who was in Company D of the Wisconsin 2nd Infantry. >> This Christian Oleson enrolled on August 22,1864 and mustered out August 15, 1865. Idon’t think he is who you are looking for since he was unmarried and age 33 in1864. Your Christian Olson Dahl would have been ca. 41 years of age and married. it becomes OBVIOUS to me we DO talk about two different Christian Olson Dahls! Which again opens up for a chance the one who enlisted in 1864, was «my» Christen Olson Dahl? Or have I completely misunderstood? Thanks again a million for helping me «straighten out» the two Christian Olson Dahls! Very sincerely yours, Lars E. Oyane ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > -----Original Message----- From: Lars E. Oyane > Sent: Friday, May 18, 2018 7:33 AM > To: norway@rootsweb.com > Cc: Carol Larson > Subject: [NOR] Re: Was Christian Olson Dahl really a Civil War Soldier? > > Dear Arne, Carol and other Listers! > > Thank you very much, Arne, for your message on this topic! > > This Christian Olson Dahl question sure has given me a lot of «head ache». There seems to be several individuals by the same name! > > However, the person described by you, Arne, must be the son of Ole C. Dahl (62) and wife Oline G. Dahl (63) farming 1880 in Tumuli township, Otter tail Co., MN. According to find a grave Ole C. Dahl, born Dec. 18, 1817, died Aug. 17, 1908 and is buried in the St. Olaf cemetery at Dalton, MN with wife Oline G. Dahl, born Oct. 2, 1816, died Jan. 13, 1893. > > Ole Christopherson and Oline Gundersdotter were married in Gausdal Co., Norway Oct. 21, 1840, and their oldest son Christian Olson (Dahl) was born in Gausdal Co., Norway Oct. 31, 1840! > > This information suggests, however, that when Christian Olson Dahl enlisted at Jackson, WI on Aug. 25, 1864, his age wasn’t 33, but rather 23 or almost 24! This information definitely eliminates «my» Christen Olson Dahl who emigrated in 1864 at the age of 41. So, we may consequently assume that «my» Christen Olson Dahl was never a Civil War soldier…!? > > But what happened to him in the US is still a BIG MYSTERY! > > Thanks again Arne for helping clear this up! > > Very sincerely yours, > > Lars E. Oyane > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > >> On May 16, 2018, at 12:04 PM, Arne H. Trelvik <atrelvik@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> I'm coming late to this discussion and apologize if this material that has >> already been covered. >> Arne >> >> >> Christian Oleson enlisted as a Private on 22 Aug 1864 at Jackson, Wisconsin >> He was mustered into Company I, 8th Wisconsin Infantry on 22 Aug 1864 >> He was mustered out on 15 Aug 1865 >> http://www.civilwardata.com/active/hdsquery.dll?SoldierHistory?U&2061842 >> =========================================================== >> His Alphabetical Pension Index Card contains the following: >> Christian O. Dahl (alias Christian Olson) filed for an invalid pension in >> Minnesota on 7 Nov 1889 for service in Co. I, 8th Wis Inf (application >> #737851). He was not awarded a pension >> >> On 3 Apr 1891 Christian's mother, Olive G. Dahl filed for a dependent's >> pension on 3 Apr 1891 in Minnesota (application #507949). She was awarded a >> pension under Certificate #333,261 >> >> On 6 Mar 1893, Christian's father Ole C. Dahl filed for a dependent's >> pension in Minnesota on 6 Mar 1893 (application #561555). He was awarded a >> pension by Certificate #380260. All 3 pension records would be filed under >> Certificate #380260. >> >> I believe this suggests that Christian probably died before 3 Apr 1891 and >> that his mother probably died before 6 Mar 1893 >> https://www.ancestry.com/sharing/13424907?h=58731f&utm_campaign=bandido-webparts&utm_source=post-share- >> =========================================================== >> VA Pension Payment Card would be for Christian's father, Ole C. Dahl >> (Certificatge #380260) who died in February 16, 1909. Only payment shown on >> the reverse side of the card is $36 in July, 1908 (stamped Milwaukee) >> >> FRONT >> https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939K-F49L-WY?i=659&cc=1832324 >> BACK >> https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939K-F49L-D9?i=660&cc=1832324 >> >> >> >> On Wed, May 16, 2018 at 5:41 AM, Lars E. Oyane <lars.e.oyane@sdsl.no> wrote: >> >>> Dear Carol, Sarah and other listers! >>> >>> First of all I would obviously also hate to see Carol spend valuable time >>> at the National Archives searching for the wrong soldier. However, as I >>> also wrote on May 14, which you Sarah MAY have overseen, is the following: >>> >>> ~~~~~ >>> >>>> On May 14, 2018, at 4:31 PM, Lars E. Oyane <lars.e.oyane@sdsl.no> wrote: >>>> >>>> Dear Sarah, Jerry and other Listers! >>>> >>>> Thank you very much for your quick replies in regard to the Christen >>> Olson Dahl family. >>>> >>>> From the information that you Sarah found on him, I agree that it >>> doesn’t quite sound like the man I am looking for. However, I guess he >>> would have arrived just in time for enlisting in the Army in August of >>> 1864, and we do know the enlisting soldiers didn’t always tell the truth >>> about their age or marital status…! >>>> >>>> Theoretically Christen COULD have left his wife and children, for >>> example o=in Chicago, IL, to enter the Army and so to say to «start a new >>> life»?. We all should have in mind the recently discussed Herman Johaneson >>> from Hafslo who in 1861 «escaped» from his pregnant wife in Norway and >>> enlisted that same fall in Milwaukee, WI pretending he was about five years >>> younger than he really was! And he remarried in 1864 without ever >>> officially divorcing his wife!! >>>> >>>> For this reason, it MIGHT be worthwhile trying to follow up on this >>> Christian Olson alias Christian Olson Dahl. Does it say where he resided >>> when he enlisted? And what happened to him? If he did die in 1909, where >>> did he die? >>>

Bev, hope you are doing well. You answered my question. I am very happy to know one more detail about her life. Thank you very much. This forum is great. Roger Mascio On Thu, May 17, 2018 at 5:22 PM, <norway-request@rootsweb.com> wrote: > Send NORWAY mailing list submissions to > norway@rootsweb.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via email, send a message with subject or > body 'help' to > norway-request@rootsweb.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > norway-owner@rootsweb.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of NORWAY digest..." > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Why did my grandmother take a ship from Christiansand when she lived > close to Bergen? > (Roger Mascio) > 2. Re: Why did my grandmother take a ship from Christiansand when she > lived close to Bergen? > (Bev Anderson) > 3. Re: Why did my grandmother take a ship from Christiansand when she > lived close to Bergen? > (Bev Anderson) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Date: Thu, 17 May 2018 13:21:00 -0700 > From: Roger Mascio <ram1643@gmail.com> > Subject: [NOR] Why did my grandmother take a ship from Christiansand > when she lived close to Bergen? > To: norway@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: > <CAF2z5GVGf-48G374Wy9Uqg5ThPar=UfyNB474Gqh > +Q_zdVZrpQ@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > My grandmother Susanna Josephine Jacobsen was born 11 Apr 1891 in Helle, > Manger, Hordaland, Norway. Why did she take a ship (the Hellig Olav) from > Christiansand to Ellis Island N.Y. arriving 3 May 1911. Helle is so close > to Bergen which I have a feeling she moved to? Thank you for your help. > Roger Mascio > https://www.ancestry.com/family-tree/person/tree/ > 102169178/person/380012615016/facts > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Thu, 17 May 2018 19:01:07 -0500 > From: Bev Anderson <bevsbibelots@brainerd.net> > Subject: [NOR] Re: Why did my grandmother take a ship from > Christiansand when she lived close to Bergen? > To: <norway@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <8ed2ec01-e914-258d-aba8-db92765ce309@brainerd.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed > > She didn't leave from Kristiansand. She left from Bergen on 18 April > 1911, destination New York. I'll send you a screen grab image off-list. > > http://gda.arkivverket.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase& > sidenr=1&filnamn=EMIBERG&gardpostnr=72069&merk=72069#ovre > > Beste, > Bev > > > On 5/17/2018 3:21 PM, Roger Mascio wrote: > > My grandmother Susanna Josephine Jacobsen was born 11 Apr 1891 in Helle, > > Manger, Hordaland, Norway. Why did she take a ship (the Hellig Olav) from > > Christiansand to Ellis Island N.Y. arriving 3 May 1911. Helle is so close > > to Bergen which I have a feeling she moved to? Thank you for your help. > > Roger Mascio > > https://www.ancestry.com/family-tree/person/tree/ > 102169178/person/380012615016/facts > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Thu, 17 May 2018 19:22:50 -0500 > From: Bev Anderson <bevsbibelots@brainerd.net> > Subject: [NOR] Re: Why did my grandmother take a ship from > Christiansand when she lived close to Bergen? > To: <norway@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <cbab626a-336b-aac4-b119-029e56d5be2c@brainerd.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed > > http://norwayheritage.com/p_ship.asp?sh=helol > http://norwayheritage.com/p_route.asp?ro=D84 > There are photos and diagrams of the ship, its history, dates of departure. > > Since the Hellig Olav was an emigrant feeder ship owned by the > Scandinavian-American Line, and they often had regular ports of call, > I'm thinking the Hellig Olav departed Bergen 18 April 1911, stopped at > Kristiansand, then proceeded to New York on 21 April 1911 where the ship > was registered as leaving Kristiansand and arriving in New York. Or > else, there was another ship owned by Scandinavian-American Line from > Bergen to Kristiansand where she boarded the Hellig Olav and proceeded > to America, arriving on 3 May 1911 (I can't view the Ancestry info since > I'm not currently a member). The Digitalarkivet info only has her > leaving from Bergen on a Scandinavian-American Line ship. I could not > find her under Jacobsdatter or Helle in the Kristiansand records (using > the "starts with" option and entering the first two letters of each name > in the appropriate categories). > > Beste, > Bev > > > > On 5/17/2018 3:21 PM, Roger Mascio wrote: > > My grandmother Susanna Josephine Jacobsen was born 11 Apr 1891 in Helle, > > Manger, Hordaland, Norway. Why did she take a ship (the Hellig Olav) from > > Christiansand to Ellis Island N.Y. arriving 3 May 1911. Helle is so close > > to Bergen which I have a feeling she moved to? Thank you for your help. > > Roger Mascio > > https://www.ancestry.com/family-tree/person/tree/ > 102169178/person/380012615016/facts > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > To contact the %(real_name)s list administrator, send an email to > %(real_name)s-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the NORWAY mailing list -- norway@rootsweb.com, send > an email to %(real_name)s@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > %(real_name)s-request@%(host_name)s > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body > of the > email with no additional text. > > > ------------------------------ > > End of NORWAY Digest, Vol 13, Issue 153 > *************************************** >

Save  Print Christopher A Ness in the Family Data Collection - Deaths Name: Christopher A Ness Death Date: 1885 City: Preston State: MN Country: USA Save  Cancel -----Original Message----- From: Lars E. Oyane Sent: Friday, May 18, 2018 7:33 AM To: norway@rootsweb.com Cc: Carol Larson Subject: [NOR] Re: Was Christian Olson Dahl really a Civil War Soldier? Dear Arne, Carol and other Listers! Thank you very much, Arne, for your message on this topic! This Christian Olson Dahl question sure has given me a lot of «head ache». There seems to be several individuals by the same name! However, the person described by you, Arne, must be the son of Ole C. Dahl (62) and wife Oline G. Dahl (63) farming 1880 in Tumuli township, Otter tail Co., MN. According to find a grave Ole C. Dahl, born Dec. 18, 1817, died Aug. 17, 1908 and is buried in the St. Olaf cemetery at Dalton, MN with wife Oline G. Dahl, born Oct. 2, 1816, died Jan. 13, 1893. Ole Christopherson and Oline Gundersdotter were married in Gausdal Co., Norway Oct. 21, 1840, and their oldest son Christian Olson (Dahl) was born in Gausdal Co., Norway Oct. 31, 1840! This information suggests, however, that when Christian Olson Dahl enlisted at Jackson, WI on Aug. 25, 1864, his age wasn’t 33, but rather 23 or almost 24! This information definitely eliminates «my» Christen Olson Dahl who emigrated in 1864 at the age of 41. So, we may consequently assume that «my» Christen Olson Dahl was never a Civil War soldier…!? But what happened to him in the US is still a BIG MYSTERY! Thanks again Arne for helping clear this up! Very sincerely yours, Lars E. Oyane ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > On May 16, 2018, at 12:04 PM, Arne H. Trelvik <atrelvik@gmail.com> wrote: > > I'm coming late to this discussion and apologize if this material that has > already been covered. > Arne > > > Christian Oleson enlisted as a Private on 22 Aug 1864 at Jackson, > Wisconsin > He was mustered into Company I, 8th Wisconsin Infantry on 22 Aug 1864 > He was mustered out on 15 Aug 1865 > http://www.civilwardata.com/active/hdsquery.dll?SoldierHistory?U&2061842 > =========================================================== > His Alphabetical Pension Index Card contains the following: > Christian O. Dahl (alias Christian Olson) filed for an invalid pension in > Minnesota on 7 Nov 1889 for service in Co. I, 8th Wis Inf (application > #737851). He was not awarded a pension > > On 3 Apr 1891 Christian's mother, Olive G. Dahl filed for a dependent's > pension on 3 Apr 1891 in Minnesota (application #507949). She was awarded > a > pension under Certificate #333,261 > > On 6 Mar 1893, Christian's father Ole C. Dahl filed for a dependent's > pension in Minnesota on 6 Mar 1893 (application #561555). He was awarded a > pension by Certificate #380260. All 3 pension records would be filed under > Certificate #380260. > > I believe this suggests that Christian probably died before 3 Apr 1891 and > that his mother probably died before 6 Mar 1893 > https://www.ancestry.com/sharing/13424907?h=58731f&utm_campaign=bandido-webparts&utm_source=post-share- > =========================================================== > VA Pension Payment Card would be for Christian's father, Ole C. Dahl > (Certificatge #380260) who died in February 16, 1909. Only payment shown > on > the reverse side of the card is $36 in July, 1908 (stamped Milwaukee) > > FRONT > https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939K-F49L-WY?i=659&cc=1832324 > BACK > https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939K-F49L-D9?i=660&cc=1832324 > > > > On Wed, May 16, 2018 at 5:41 AM, Lars E. Oyane <lars.e.oyane@sdsl.no> > wrote: > >> Dear Carol, Sarah and other listers! >> >> First of all I would obviously also hate to see Carol spend valuable time >> at the National Archives searching for the wrong soldier. However, as I >> also wrote on May 14, which you Sarah MAY have overseen, is the >> following: >> >> ~~~~~ >> >>> On May 14, 2018, at 4:31 PM, Lars E. Oyane <lars.e.oyane@sdsl.no> wrote: >>> >>> Dear Sarah, Jerry and other Listers! >>> >>> Thank you very much for your quick replies in regard to the Christen >> Olson Dahl family. >>> >>> From the information that you Sarah found on him, I agree that it >> doesn’t quite sound like the man I am looking for. However, I guess he >> would have arrived just in time for enlisting in the Army in August of >> 1864, and we do know the enlisting soldiers didn’t always tell the truth >> about their age or marital status…! >>> >>> Theoretically Christen COULD have left his wife and children, for >> example o=in Chicago, IL, to enter the Army and so to say to «start a new >> life»?. We all should have in mind the recently discussed Herman >> Johaneson >> from Hafslo who in 1861 «escaped» from his pregnant wife in Norway and >> enlisted that same fall in Milwaukee, WI pretending he was about five >> years >> younger than he really was! And he remarried in 1864 without ever >> officially divorcing his wife!! >>> >>> For this reason, it MIGHT be worthwhile trying to follow up on this >> Christian Olson alias Christian Olson Dahl. Does it say where he resided >> when he enlisted? And what happened to him? If he did die in 1909, >> where >> did he die? >> _______________________________________________ Norwaylist Archiveshttp://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=norway RESUBSCRIBE UNSUB http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/NOR/NORWAY.html guidelines http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~norway/guidelines.htm _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/lists/norway@rootsweb.com/ Archives: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/norway@rootsweb.com/ Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Save  Print Christen Anderson Ness in the Minnesota, Marriages Index, 1849-1950 Minnesota, Marriages Index, 1849-1950 No Image Text-only collection Add alternate information Report issue Name: Christen Anderson Ness Gender: Male Marriage Date: 17 Sep 1882 Marriage Place: Henrytown, Fillmore, Minnesota Spouse's Name: Christina Halvorson Spouse Gender: Female Event Type: Marriage FHL Film Number: 1316805 -----Original Message----- From: Lars E. Oyane Sent: Friday, May 18, 2018 7:33 AM To: norway@rootsweb.com Cc: Carol Larson Subject: [NOR] Re: Was Christian Olson Dahl really a Civil War Soldier? Dear Arne, Carol and other Listers! Thank you very much, Arne, for your message on this topic! This Christian Olson Dahl question sure has given me a lot of «head ache». There seems to be several individuals by the same name! However, the person described by you, Arne, must be the son of Ole C. Dahl (62) and wife Oline G. Dahl (63) farming 1880 in Tumuli township, Otter tail Co., MN. According to find a grave Ole C. Dahl, born Dec. 18, 1817, died Aug. 17, 1908 and is buried in the St. Olaf cemetery at Dalton, MN with wife Oline G. Dahl, born Oct. 2, 1816, died Jan. 13, 1893. Ole Christopherson and Oline Gundersdotter were married in Gausdal Co., Norway Oct. 21, 1840, and their oldest son Christian Olson (Dahl) was born in Gausdal Co., Norway Oct. 31, 1840! This information suggests, however, that when Christian Olson Dahl enlisted at Jackson, WI on Aug. 25, 1864, his age wasn’t 33, but rather 23 or almost 24! This information definitely eliminates «my» Christen Olson Dahl who emigrated in 1864 at the age of 41. So, we may consequently assume that «my» Christen Olson Dahl was never a Civil War soldier…!? But what happened to him in the US is still a BIG MYSTERY! Thanks again Arne for helping clear this up! Very sincerely yours, Lars E. Oyane ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > On May 16, 2018, at 12:04 PM, Arne H. Trelvik <atrelvik@gmail.com> wrote: > > I'm coming late to this discussion and apologize if this material that has > already been covered. > Arne > > > Christian Oleson enlisted as a Private on 22 Aug 1864 at Jackson, > Wisconsin > He was mustered into Company I, 8th Wisconsin Infantry on 22 Aug 1864 > He was mustered out on 15 Aug 1865 > http://www.civilwardata.com/active/hdsquery.dll?SoldierHistory?U&2061842 > =========================================================== > His Alphabetical Pension Index Card contains the following: > Christian O. Dahl (alias Christian Olson) filed for an invalid pension in > Minnesota on 7 Nov 1889 for service in Co. I, 8th Wis Inf (application > #737851). He was not awarded a pension > > On 3 Apr 1891 Christian's mother, Olive G. Dahl filed for a dependent's > pension on 3 Apr 1891 in Minnesota (application #507949). She was awarded > a > pension under Certificate #333,261 > > On 6 Mar 1893, Christian's father Ole C. Dahl filed for a dependent's > pension in Minnesota on 6 Mar 1893 (application #561555). He was awarded a > pension by Certificate #380260. All 3 pension records would be filed under > Certificate #380260. > > I believe this suggests that Christian probably died before 3 Apr 1891 and > that his mother probably died before 6 Mar 1893 > https://www.ancestry.com/sharing/13424907?h=58731f&utm_campaign=bandido-webparts&utm_source=post-share- > =========================================================== > VA Pension Payment Card would be for Christian's father, Ole C. Dahl > (Certificatge #380260) who died in February 16, 1909. Only payment shown > on > the reverse side of the card is $36 in July, 1908 (stamped Milwaukee) > > FRONT > https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939K-F49L-WY?i=659&cc=1832324 > BACK > https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939K-F49L-D9?i=660&cc=1832324 > > > > On Wed, May 16, 2018 at 5:41 AM, Lars E. Oyane <lars.e.oyane@sdsl.no> > wrote: > >> Dear Carol, Sarah and other listers! >> >> First of all I would obviously also hate to see Carol spend valuable time >> at the National Archives searching for the wrong soldier. However, as I >> also wrote on May 14, which you Sarah MAY have overseen, is the >> following: >> >> ~~~~~ >> >>> On May 14, 2018, at 4:31 PM, Lars E. Oyane <lars.e.oyane@sdsl.no> wrote: >>> >>> Dear Sarah, Jerry and other Listers! >>> >>> Thank you very much for your quick replies in regard to the Christen >> Olson Dahl family. >>> >>> From the information that you Sarah found on him, I agree that it >> doesn’t quite sound like the man I am looking for. However, I guess he >> would have arrived just in time for enlisting in the Army in August of >> 1864, and we do know the enlisting soldiers didn’t always tell the truth >> about their age or marital status…! >>> >>> Theoretically Christen COULD have left his wife and children, for >> example o=in Chicago, IL, to enter the Army and so to say to «start a new >> life»?. We all should have in mind the recently discussed Herman >> Johaneson >> from Hafslo who in 1861 «escaped» from his pregnant wife in Norway and >> enlisted that same fall in Milwaukee, WI pretending he was about five >> years >> younger than he really was! And he remarried in 1864 without ever >> officially divorcing his wife!! >>> >>> For this reason, it MIGHT be worthwhile trying to follow up on this >> Christian Olson alias Christian Olson Dahl. Does it say where he resided >> when he enlisted? And what happened to him? If he did die in 1909, >> where >> did he die? >> _______________________________________________ Norwaylist Archiveshttp://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=norway RESUBSCRIBE UNSUB http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/NOR/NORWAY.html guidelines http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~norway/guidelines.htm _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/lists/norway@rootsweb.com/ Archives: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/norway@rootsweb.com/ Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

I am trying to help Richard, a somewhat distant yDNA match with my husband, learn more about his Norwegian ancestors. However, he knows so little that I am having trouble figuring out what to suggest. Richard’s great grandfather arrived in Australia in November, 1851 as Peter Paterson, a sailor on the English ship *General Hewitt*, jumped ship in Sydney, and spent the rest of his life trying to obscure his origins. The name Peter Paterson comes from the Sydney newspaper notice of the reward for his apprehension, so presumably is an Anglicized version name he was using when he joined the ship’s crew. Peter took the name William Roberts in Australia, consistently lied about his parents’ names and his age, and said only that he was from “Stavanger.” He did always say that his father was a pilot. The best evidence is that he was born in 1835-36. Besides the yDNA match with my husband—whose male roots we’ve only been able to trace back to Aukland, Hjelmeland—Richard is predicted to be a 4th or 5th cousin of a man who is the 3g grandson of Lars Jonesen Hauge (on Kyrkjøy) (b. abt 1804) and Barbro Johannesdtr Helgøy (b. 23 May 1802). I’ve checked Lars and Barbro as far as I can in the bygdebøker I have, and don’t find any relevant connection with a Peder. Peter/William married Caroline Louisa Ridgeway in Castlemaine, Victoria, Australia on 24 December 1858, and died 13 June 1904 at Torrumbarry, Victoria, Australia. Jumping ship along with Peter was another Norwegian, John Anderson (again from the reward article), age 20. John later became Charles Anderson. He married Amelia Ridgeway, Caroline’s sister, in Castlemaine, Victoria on 22 September 1856 and died 26 January 1909 at Balla. John/Charles might have been a relative of Peter/William, but, of course, might only have been a friend. John/Charles said that his parents were Augus and Elizabeth, that he was born in “Tauslipp,” and that his father was a carpenter. Several trees on Ancestry has him as the son of Augustinus Andersen and Elisabeth Hansdatter of Hamarøy. Any suggestions about how we can learn more about Peter/William would be appreciated. Thank you. Marian

Just for clarification . . . Kjersti «Christine» MUNSON is buried under the name MONSON NOT MUNSON . . . Don in Maine USA ---------------------------------------- From: "Lars E. Oyane" <lars.e.oyane@sdsl.no> Sent: Friday, May 18, 2018 8:01 AM To: norway@rootsweb.com Subject: [NOR] Kjersti «Christine» Munson, died Walnut Grove, MN 1921 - obituary assistance, please? Dear Listers! Could someone please help me find an obituary for this lady: Kjersti «Christine» MUNSON (maiden name Takle) born Apr. 14, 1868 in Voss Co., Norway died Apr. 17, 1921 near Walnut Grove, but in Murray Co., MN was buried in the family lot at Westbrook, Cottonwood Co., MN Thanks a million for your great assistance in this matter! Very sincerely yours, Lars E. Oyane

Thank you Bev! It's touching to see how great these festivities are with so many people doing their best making it fantastic! Reina -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- From: Bev Anderson Sent: Friday, May 18, 2018 3:21 PM To: norway@rootsweb.com Subject: [NOR] Re: Gratulerer med dagen 17 Mai 2018 Great link, Reina! :-) Thank you! I'm getting the parade just fine here online from NRK. I love the Syttende Mai parades! Beste, Bev On 5/18/2018 3:20 AM, nukilik@xs4all.nl wrote: > Hello Listers > > Here is the summary of the festivities of the 17th Mai 2018. > > It is the summary of the NRK-TV > > <https://tv.nrk.no/serie/gratulerer-med-dagen> > > I can see this in my country. Hopefully you also can see it also in > America > > Kind regards > Reina > >

IF the below is the correct find, this would be her birth registration: Gunhilde Nilsdatter Bergfjerdingen, born 07 September 1865 / baptized 21 May 1866 https://media.digitalarkivet.no/view/1066/250 Clark in Japan On 18-May-18 10:28 PM, Clark Pederson wrote: > I just came across a 'possibility' for your Gunhilda in the 1875 census: > Gunhilde Andersen, born in 1865, father is > Niels Andersen, born 1832 in Modum; wife is > Maren Andersen, born 1832 in Drammen > https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/census/person/pf01052110003892 > > So, we have the combination of > Gunhilde Nielsen Andersen withthe correct birth year. > Have a nice day! > Clark in Japan > On 18-May-18 10:00 PM, Clark Pederson wrote: >> Hei Carolyn, >> This may or may not be your Ole, but here is the only 8-year-old that >> I can find in Drammen's 1865 census who fits your description: >> Ole Nilsen Christiansen, son of Ole Petter Christiansen & Sophie >> Martine (f) Nilsdatter. >> http://gda.arkivverket.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=1&filnamn=f60602&gardpostnr=750&personpostnr=9196&merk=9196#ovre >> >> >> ENTRY #146 is Ole Nielsen Christiansen, born 30 August / baptized 14 >> November 1858 >> https://media.digitalarkivet.no/view/1137/245?indexing= >> >> I find nothing to come close to matching Gunhilda born in 1865. >> Have a nice day! >> Clark in Japan >> >> On 18-May-18 4:43 AM, Carolyn Agenjo wrote: >>> Hello.  I am trying to find any relatives of Ole Nilsen Christiansen >>> (b.1858 Drammen) and Gunhilda Nilsen Andersen (b. 1865 Drammen).  >>> They emigrated to the US in 1880s and married here, but I know many >>> family members remained in Norway.  I also hope to find information >>> about their ancestors to add to what little I have already found.   >>> Thank you for any replies. >>> >>> Carolyn Smith Agenjo >>> Long Island, NY --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

I just came across a 'possibility' for your Gunhilda in the 1875 census: Gunhilde Andersen, born in 1865, father is Niels Andersen, born 1832 in Modum; wife is Maren Andersen, born 1832 in Drammen https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/census/person/pf01052110003892 So, we have the combination of Gunhilde Nielsen Andersen withthe correct birth year. Have a nice day! Clark in Japan On 18-May-18 10:00 PM, Clark Pederson wrote: > Hei Carolyn, > This may or may not be your Ole, but here is the only 8-year-old that > I can find in Drammen's 1865 census who fits your description: > Ole Nilsen Christiansen, son of Ole Petter Christiansen & Sophie > Martine (f) Nilsdatter. > http://gda.arkivverket.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=1&filnamn=f60602&gardpostnr=750&personpostnr=9196&merk=9196#ovre > > > ENTRY #146 is Ole Nielsen Christiansen, born 30 August / baptized 14 > November 1858 > https://media.digitalarkivet.no/view/1137/245?indexing= > > I find nothing to come close to matching Gunhilda born in 1865. > Have a nice day! > Clark in Japan > > On 18-May-18 4:43 AM, Carolyn Agenjo wrote: >> Hello.  I am trying to find any relatives of Ole Nilsen Christiansen >> (b.1858 >> Drammen) and Gunhilda Nilsen Andersen (b. 1865 Drammen).  They >> emigrated to >> the US in 1880s and married here, but I know many family members >> remained in >> Norway.  I also hope to find information about their ancestors to add to >> what little I have already found.   Thank you for any replies. >> >> >> Carolyn Smith Agenjo >> >> Long Island, NY > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > _______________________________________________ > Norwaylist > Archiveshttp://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=norway > > RESUBSCRIBE UNSUB > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/NOR/NORWAY.html > > guidelines http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~norway/guidelines.htm > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > > Unsubscribe > https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/lists/norway@rootsweb.com/ > > Archives: > https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/norway@rootsweb.com/ > > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY  Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal > RootsWeb community >

Great link, Reina!  :-)  Thank you!  I'm getting the parade just fine here online from NRK.  I love the Syttende Mai parades! Beste, Bev On 5/18/2018 3:20 AM, nukilik@xs4all.nl wrote: > Hello Listers > > Here is the summary of the festivities of the 17th Mai 2018. > > It is the summary of the NRK-TV > > <https://tv.nrk.no/serie/gratulerer-med-dagen> > > I can see this in my country. Hopefully you also can see it also in America > > Kind regards > Reina > >

Hei Carolyn, This may or may not be your Ole, but here is the only 8-year-old that I can find in Drammen's 1865 census who fits your description: Ole Nilsen Christiansen, son of Ole Petter Christiansen & Sophie Martine (f) Nilsdatter. http://gda.arkivverket.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=1&filnamn=f60602&gardpostnr=750&personpostnr=9196&merk=9196#ovre ENTRY #146 is Ole Nielsen Christiansen, born 30 August / baptized 14 November 1858 https://media.digitalarkivet.no/view/1137/245?indexing= I find nothing to come close to matching Gunhilda born in 1865. Have a nice day! Clark in Japan On 18-May-18 4:43 AM, Carolyn Agenjo wrote: > Hello. I am trying to find any relatives of Ole Nilsen Christiansen (b.1858 > Drammen) and Gunhilda Nilsen Andersen (b. 1865 Drammen). They emigrated to > the US in 1880s and married here, but I know many family members remained in > Norway. I also hope to find information about their ancestors to add to > what little I have already found. Thank you for any replies. > > > > Carolyn Smith Agenjo > > Long Island, NY --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

Dear Arne, Carol and other Listers! Thank you very much, Arne, for your message on this topic! This Christian Olson Dahl question sure has given me a lot of «head ache». There seems to be several individuals by the same name! However, the person described by you, Arne, must be the son of Ole C. Dahl (62) and wife Oline G. Dahl (63) farming 1880 in Tumuli township, Otter tail Co., MN. According to find a grave Ole C. Dahl, born Dec. 18, 1817, died Aug. 17, 1908 and is buried in the St. Olaf cemetery at Dalton, MN with wife Oline G. Dahl, born Oct. 2, 1816, died Jan. 13, 1893. Ole Christopherson and Oline Gundersdotter were married in Gausdal Co., Norway Oct. 21, 1840, and their oldest son Christian Olson (Dahl) was born in Gausdal Co., Norway Oct. 31, 1840! This information suggests, however, that when Christian Olson Dahl enlisted at Jackson, WI on Aug. 25, 1864, his age wasn’t 33, but rather 23 or almost 24! This information definitely eliminates «my» Christen Olson Dahl who emigrated in 1864 at the age of 41. So, we may consequently assume that «my» Christen Olson Dahl was never a Civil War soldier…!? But what happened to him in the US is still a BIG MYSTERY! Thanks again Arne for helping clear this up! Very sincerely yours, Lars E. Oyane ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > On May 16, 2018, at 12:04 PM, Arne H. Trelvik <atrelvik@gmail.com> wrote: > > I'm coming late to this discussion and apologize if this material that has > already been covered. > Arne > > > Christian Oleson enlisted as a Private on 22 Aug 1864 at Jackson, Wisconsin > He was mustered into Company I, 8th Wisconsin Infantry on 22 Aug 1864 > He was mustered out on 15 Aug 1865 > http://www.civilwardata.com/active/hdsquery.dll?SoldierHistory?U&2061842 > =========================================================== > His Alphabetical Pension Index Card contains the following: > Christian O. Dahl (alias Christian Olson) filed for an invalid pension in > Minnesota on 7 Nov 1889 for service in Co. I, 8th Wis Inf (application > #737851). He was not awarded a pension > > On 3 Apr 1891 Christian's mother, Olive G. Dahl filed for a dependent's > pension on 3 Apr 1891 in Minnesota (application #507949). She was awarded a > pension under Certificate #333,261 > > On 6 Mar 1893, Christian's father Ole C. Dahl filed for a dependent's > pension in Minnesota on 6 Mar 1893 (application #561555). He was awarded a > pension by Certificate #380260. All 3 pension records would be filed under > Certificate #380260. > > I believe this suggests that Christian probably died before 3 Apr 1891 and > that his mother probably died before 6 Mar 1893 > https://www.ancestry.com/sharing/13424907?h=58731f&utm_campaign=bandido-webparts&utm_source=post-share- > =========================================================== > VA Pension Payment Card would be for Christian's father, Ole C. Dahl > (Certificatge #380260) who died in February 16, 1909. Only payment shown on > the reverse side of the card is $36 in July, 1908 (stamped Milwaukee) > > FRONT > https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939K-F49L-WY?i=659&cc=1832324 > BACK > https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939K-F49L-D9?i=660&cc=1832324 > > > > On Wed, May 16, 2018 at 5:41 AM, Lars E. Oyane <lars.e.oyane@sdsl.no> wrote: > >> Dear Carol, Sarah and other listers! >> >> First of all I would obviously also hate to see Carol spend valuable time >> at the National Archives searching for the wrong soldier. However, as I >> also wrote on May 14, which you Sarah MAY have overseen, is the following: >> >> ~~~~~ >> >>> On May 14, 2018, at 4:31 PM, Lars E. Oyane <lars.e.oyane@sdsl.no> wrote: >>> >>> Dear Sarah, Jerry and other Listers! >>> >>> Thank you very much for your quick replies in regard to the Christen >> Olson Dahl family. >>> >>> From the information that you Sarah found on him, I agree that it >> doesn’t quite sound like the man I am looking for. However, I guess he >> would have arrived just in time for enlisting in the Army in August of >> 1864, and we do know the enlisting soldiers didn’t always tell the truth >> about their age or marital status…! >>> >>> Theoretically Christen COULD have left his wife and children, for >> example o=in Chicago, IL, to enter the Army and so to say to «start a new >> life»?. We all should have in mind the recently discussed Herman Johaneson >> from Hafslo who in 1861 «escaped» from his pregnant wife in Norway and >> enlisted that same fall in Milwaukee, WI pretending he was about five years >> younger than he really was! And he remarried in 1864 without ever >> officially divorcing his wife!! >>> >>> For this reason, it MIGHT be worthwhile trying to follow up on this >> Christian Olson alias Christian Olson Dahl. Does it say where he resided >> when he enlisted? And what happened to him? If he did die in 1909, where >> did he die? >>

Dear Listers! Could someone please help me find an obituary for this lady: Kjersti «Christine» MUNSON (maiden name Takle) born Apr. 14, 1868 in Voss Co., Norway died Apr. 17, 1921 near Walnut Grove, but in Murray Co., MN was buried in the family lot at Westbrook, Cottonwood Co., MN Thanks a million for your great assistance in this matter! Very sincerely yours, Lars E. Oyane

Hello Listers Here is the summary of the festivities of the 17th Mai 2018. It is the summary of the NRK-TV <https://tv.nrk.no/serie/gratulerer-med-dagen> I can see this in my country. Hopefully you also can see it also in America Kind regards Reina

*Do you have their American death certificates?  Census data? What American surname did they use?** ** **For the time period, Gunhilda would have had a patronymic name that consisted of her father's first name and the suffix datter (usually abbreviated dt, dr, dtr).  Was her father's first name Nils or Anders?  Or something else and you're using her husband's patronym, or her husband's father's patronym?** ** **Was Ole's father's first name Nils or Christian?** ** **Although some people in Scandinavia started using permanent surnames before 1900, Norway went to a permanent family name or surname system by law in 1923 (it might be a patronymic name, or it might be a farm/location name).  Before that records are normally kept by their first name, sometimes middle name, and patronymic name.  If you don't understand the patronymic naming system, none of the Scandinavian records will make sense, since the patronym usually changed every generation, and always consisted of the father's first name + sen (abbr: s) for male offspring, and + datter (abbr: dr, dt, dtr) for female offspring. Women kept their own patronymic names their entire lives. (Denmark has the sen/datter suffixes, and Sweden has sson/dotter suffixes after the father's first name; Sweden went to a permanent surname by law in 1902.  Denmark was much earlier in the nineteenth century, but records are often still kept as they always had been before that.)** ** **Were either born in Drammen..., or was that just the port of departure?  The reason I ask: When I was a teen and first asking about my Norwegian ancestors and asked my grandfather "Where did your parents come from?" his reply was "Trondheim."  Some 40+ years later I realized the port of embarkation (the 'place they came from') was Trondheim, but the location(s) where they were born and lived before emigrating was north and west of Trondheim, mostly on the southerly shore of the Skarnsundet.  In an adjoining family that married into one of my maternal lines, there was the same kind of mix-up.  They "came from Drammen" according to family legend..., but they were born and lived at a location in Buskerud, inland from Drammen.  Drammen was only the port of embarkation. As luck would have it, I found a source in America that had the patriarch's Bible records with that of each child's birth, baptism, the date of emigration, and the names of the ships they sailed on.  The parents followed last along with grandchildren, but he didn't record their emigration info.** ** **First, get the death certificates and see if the parents and their locations of birth are listed (sometimes one gets lucky and the relative giving the info has it correct).  Sometimes marriage info has the correct birth location, and maybe the parents' names.  Census data reveals more.  The 1900 US census would be the best since that would list their month and year of birth, and (if listed correctly) the year of immigration and year of naturalization (or that they are resident aliens, depending on their immigrant status).** ** **In any case, you need the American data before attempting research in Norwegian records. Once in Norwegian records one should be able to find microfilm images (and sometimes transcriptions) of their records back to the first records of your line.** ** **Beste,** **Bev* On 5/17/2018 2:43 PM, Carolyn Agenjo wrote: > Hello. I am trying to find any relatives of Ole Nilsen Christiansen (b.1858 > Drammen) and Gunhilda Nilsen Andersen (b. 1865 Drammen). They emigrated to > the US in 1880s and married here, but I know many family members remained in > Norway. I also hope to find information about their ancestors to add to > what little I have already found. Thank you for any replies. > > > > Carolyn Smith Agenjo > > Long Island, NY > > > _______________________________________________ >

http://norwayheritage.com/p_ship.asp?sh=helol http://norwayheritage.com/p_route.asp?ro=D84 There are photos and diagrams of the ship, its history, dates of departure. Since the Hellig Olav was an emigrant feeder ship owned by the Scandinavian-American Line, and they often had regular ports of call, I'm thinking the Hellig Olav departed Bergen 18 April 1911, stopped at Kristiansand, then proceeded to New York on 21 April 1911 where the ship was registered as leaving Kristiansand and arriving in New York.  Or else, there was another ship owned by Scandinavian-American Line from Bergen to Kristiansand where she boarded the Hellig Olav and proceeded to America, arriving on 3 May 1911 (I can't view the Ancestry info since I'm not currently a member).  The Digitalarkivet info only has her leaving from Bergen on a Scandinavian-American Line ship.  I could not find her under Jacobsdatter or Helle in the Kristiansand records (using the "starts with" option and entering the first two letters of each name in the appropriate categories). Beste, Bev On 5/17/2018 3:21 PM, Roger Mascio wrote: > My grandmother Susanna Josephine Jacobsen was born 11 Apr 1891 in Helle, > Manger, Hordaland, Norway. Why did she take a ship (the Hellig Olav) from > Christiansand to Ellis Island N.Y. arriving 3 May 1911. Helle is so close > to Bergen which I have a feeling she moved to? Thank you for your help. > Roger Mascio > https://www.ancestry.com/family-tree/person/tree/102169178/person/380012615016/facts > > _______________________________________________ >

She didn't leave from Kristiansand. She left from Bergen on 18 April 1911, destination New York.  I'll send you a screen grab image off-list. http://gda.arkivverket.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=1&filnamn=EMIBERG&gardpostnr=72069&merk=72069#ovre Beste, Bev On 5/17/2018 3:21 PM, Roger Mascio wrote: > My grandmother Susanna Josephine Jacobsen was born 11 Apr 1891 in Helle, > Manger, Hordaland, Norway. Why did she take a ship (the Hellig Olav) from > Christiansand to Ellis Island N.Y. arriving 3 May 1911. Helle is so close > to Bergen which I have a feeling she moved to? Thank you for your help. > Roger Mascio > https://www.ancestry.com/family-tree/person/tree/102169178/person/380012615016/facts > > _______________________________________________ >

My grandmother Susanna Josephine Jacobsen was born 11 Apr 1891 in Helle, Manger, Hordaland, Norway. Why did she take a ship (the Hellig Olav) from Christiansand to Ellis Island N.Y. arriving 3 May 1911. Helle is so close to Bergen which I have a feeling she moved to? Thank you for your help. Roger Mascio https://www.ancestry.com/family-tree/person/tree/102169178/person/380012615016/facts