Thank you, Rod, for the image. The son of the individual I used as an example shows up clearly. I had an incorrect date for the birth, though I did have the baptismal day correct. I still am not certain how to accurately identify the location name, but maybe it doesn't matter much. Sue Barham Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2018 08:24:17 -0500 From: Rod <rskurth@mtco.com> Subject: [NOR] Re: Help with suffixes To: <norway@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <9d397180573352dbb28103ead34b4dca@mtco.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Sending this again without the attachement: Here is the link to the didgitalarkivet.no for Hans's christening records: http://urn.digitalarkivet.no/URN:NBN:no-a1450-kb20070603580234.jpg . Most Norwegian church records are available for free on-line. I don't know if the attachment will come through, but I took a screen shot of the record. The hand writing is beautiful and easy to read. It appears he was born and christened the same day, 27 October 1805. I hope this helps. Rod Kurth

Sending this again without the attachement: Here is the link to the didgitalarkivet.no for Hans's christening records: http://urn.digitalarkivet.no/URN:NBN:no-a1450-kb20070603580234.jpg . Most Norwegian church records are available for free on-line. I don't know if the attachment will come through, but I took a screen shot of the record. The hand writing is beautiful and easy to read. It appears he was born and christened the same day, 27 October 1805. I hope this helps. Rod Kurth On 2018-07-24 06:29, Sue Barham wrote: > First of all, thank you everyone who answered my request for help. What I did find out is that after many years of dealing with other countries, and returning to Norway research after an absence of about 10 years.....I don't know how to ask a question in a way that it is possible for anyone to understand what I am struggling with. > Let me try again. > > I have printed out Otto's dictionary and I have a copy of "Norwegian English Dictionary" by Einar Haugen. Vocabulary is not my issue. > > I clearly understand the use and necessity of patronymic and location naming practices. > > As a result of MANY visits to the Family History Library in SLC, and a faithful copier/husband, I have all Bygdebok pages for my own family, who come from Aurskog in Akershus, Sandsvær in Buskerud, and Hov in Hedmark. > > Working without the benefit of the copies of the Bygdebok volumes associated with Ringebu in Oppland, I have no idea whether what I have found on line is accurate, based on the knowledge that it comes not from civil or religious information but rather from an individual's submission. As I am sure you know, some researchers are not terribly concerned with accuracy and often include guesses or assumptions as being fact. > > The "Bruk" farm names seem to be quite different than I have found in the other three regions. Within the several thousand relatives of my own, I have not a single location name that ends in "stuen" or "stugua". In my attempt to be as accurate as I can, I wondered it if could successfully enter the following: > > "Hans Jensen Nordbu was born on 14 Oct 1805 in a cottage (the stuen portion of my information) at Nordbu farm, #9, Venabygd parish, Ringebu kommune, Oppland fylke." > > I do understand that the location portion of the name could and did often change over the individual's life, and have tried to include this information in the narrative of the record I create, but I feel a responsibility to be specific in the naming for the very specific events, i.e. birth, marriage, death, births of children. > > Do I violate accepted naming rules by handling it this way? > > Thanks again for your interest and patience in trying to help me when I asked in such a poor way. Hope you will send some opinion on what I would like to use as a format. > > Sue Nelson Barham > > _______________________________________________ > Norwaylist Archiveshttp://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index?list=norway > > RESUBSCRIBE UNSUB > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/NOR/NORWAY.html [1] > > guidelines http://www.rootsweb.com/~norway/guidelines.htm [2] > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref [3] > Unsubscribe and Archives https://mailinglists.rootsweb.com/listindexes/search/norway [4] > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY [5] Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 [6] > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog [7] > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community Links: ------ [1] http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/NOR/NORWAY.html [2] http://www.rootsweb.com/~norway/guidelines.htm [3] http://bit.ly/rootswebpref [4] https://mailinglists.rootsweb.com/listindexes/search/norway [5] https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY [6] https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 [7] http://rootsweb.blog

Here is the link to the didgitalarkivet.no for Hans's christening records: http://urn.digitalarkivet.no/URN:NBN:no-a1450-kb20070603580234.jpg . Most Norwegian church records are available for free on-line. I don't know if the attachment will come through, but I took a screen shot of the record. The hand writing is beautiful and easy to read. It appears he was born and christened the same day, 27 October 1805. I hope this helps. Rod Kurth On 2018-07-24 06:29, Sue Barham wrote: > First of all, thank you everyone who answered my request for help. What I did find out is that after many years of dealing with other countries, and returning to Norway research after an absence of about 10 years.....I don't know how to ask a question in a way that it is possible for anyone to understand what I am struggling with. > Let me try again. > > I have printed out Otto's dictionary and I have a copy of "Norwegian English Dictionary" by Einar Haugen. Vocabulary is not my issue. > > I clearly understand the use and necessity of patronymic and location naming practices. > > As a result of MANY visits to the Family History Library in SLC, and a faithful copier/husband, I have all Bygdebok pages for my own family, who come from Aurskog in Akershus, Sandsvær in Buskerud, and Hov in Hedmark. > > Working without the benefit of the copies of the Bygdebok volumes associated with Ringebu in Oppland, I have no idea whether what I have found on line is accurate, based on the knowledge that it comes not from civil or religious information but rather from an individual's submission. As I am sure you know, some researchers are not terribly concerned with accuracy and often include guesses or assumptions as being fact. > > The "Bruk" farm names seem to be quite different than I have found in the other three regions. Within the several thousand relatives of my own, I have not a single location name that ends in "stuen" or "stugua". In my attempt to be as accurate as I can, I wondered it if could successfully enter the following: > > "Hans Jensen Nordbu was born on 14 Oct 1805 in a cottage (the stuen portion of my information) at Nordbu farm, #9, Venabygd parish, Ringebu kommune, Oppland fylke." > > I do understand that the location portion of the name could and did often change over the individual's life, and have tried to include this information in the narrative of the record I create, but I feel a responsibility to be specific in the naming for the very specific events, i.e. birth, marriage, death, births of children. > > Do I violate accepted naming rules by handling it this way? > > Thanks again for your interest and patience in trying to help me when I asked in such a poor way. Hope you will send some opinion on what I would like to use as a format. > > Sue Nelson Barham > > _______________________________________________ > Norwaylist Archiveshttp://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index?list=norway > > RESUBSCRIBE UNSUB > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/NOR/NORWAY.html [1] > > guidelines http://www.rootsweb.com/~norway/guidelines.htm [2] > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref [3] > Unsubscribe and Archives https://mailinglists.rootsweb.com/listindexes/search/norway [4] > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY [5] Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 [6] > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog [7] > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community Links: ------ [1] http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/NOR/NORWAY.html [2] http://www.rootsweb.com/~norway/guidelines.htm [3] http://bit.ly/rootswebpref [4] https://mailinglists.rootsweb.com/listindexes/search/norway [5] https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY [6] https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 [7] http://rootsweb.blog

First of all, thank you everyone who answered my request for help. What I did find out is that after many years of dealing with other countries, and returning to Norway research after an absence of about 10 years.....I don't know how to ask a question in a way that it is possible for anyone to understand what I am struggling with. Let me try again. I have printed out Otto's dictionary and I have a copy of "Norwegian English Dictionary" by Einar Haugen. Vocabulary is not my issue. I clearly understand the use and necessity of patronymic and location naming practices. As a result of MANY visits to the Family History Library in SLC, and a faithful copier/husband, I have all Bygdebok pages for my own family, who come from Aurskog in Akershus, Sandsvær in Buskerud, and Hov in Hedmark. Working without the benefit of the copies of the Bygdebok volumes associated with Ringebu in Oppland, I have no idea whether what I have found on line is accurate, based on the knowledge that it comes not from civil or religious information but rather from an individual's submission. As I am sure you know, some researchers are not terribly concerned with accuracy and often include guesses or assumptions as being fact. The "Bruk" farm names seem to be quite different than I have found in the other three regions. Within the several thousand relatives of my own, I have not a single location name that ends in "stuen" or "stugua". In my attempt to be as accurate as I can, I wondered it if could successfully enter the following: "Hans Jensen Nordbu was born on 14 Oct 1805 in a cottage (the stuen portion of my information) at Nordbu farm, #9, Venabygd parish, Ringebu kommune, Oppland fylke." I do understand that the location portion of the name could and did often change over the individual's life, and have tried to include this information in the narrative of the record I create, but I feel a responsibility to be specific in the naming for the very specific events, i.e. birth, marriage, death, births of children. Do I violate accepted naming rules by handling it this way? Thanks again for your interest and patience in trying to help me when I asked in such a poor way. Hope you will send some opinion on what I would like to use as a format. Sue Nelson Barham

Me too! I had a lot of trouble with my g grandfather's farm name, because it was a very common one. Often they described characteristics of the farm. My g grandfather's was Haugen; hauge means "hill," I'm told. He was, apparently, born on a farm named Haugen in one prestegeld. Later, I'm not sure when, but between censuses, he moved with his family to another farm named Haugen in another prestegeld that was adjoining. It took me years to tell the two apart, partly because I couldn't use DigitalArchives and some kind soul sent me part of one of the census data that did not include the farm number. So I didn't realize they were two different farms. Later in my research, I worked with a man who lived in the town my g grandfather and his wife later moved to. Now he was using his farm name as his surname! My correspondent sent me a map showing the farms, and the second Haugen farm was next door to the farm his wife grew up on, and which they lived on for several years after their marriage. In her case, there were several farms with the same "first name" but with added suffixes. My mother had told me that my g grandmother's family hadn't wanted her to marry him because he was "beneath her." Suddenly looking at the map, I saw why. She grew up on the original farm, and in fact because there were no male heirs, she inherited it and owned it in her own name. The sub-farms were all much smaller. Haugen was small, and not subdivided. This family, when they emigrated, ended up taking yet another name. Very confusing! One of my great aunts, their daughter, married a man named Fatland, who was from one of only two farms in all of Norway with that name. Both men kept the name in the US. I'd have thought the name meant something like "good land." But really it means "bad land" for farming. Google Maps showed me my family came from beautiful land on an island, mountain views. But the land itself was almost all bare rock scraped bare of soil, as if by glaciers. I'm glad they kept the name though, as researching them is easy! Hope some of this is useful, Doris On Mon, Jul 23, 2018 at 1:15 PM, Don Angevine <dangevin@megalink.net> wrote: > > Me too Halvor ;o) > > Don in Maine USA > > > > ---------------------------------------- > From: "Halvor Stokke" <halstokk@broadpark.no> > Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 2:29 PM > To: norway@rootsweb.com > Subject: [NOR] Re: Help with suffixes after farm surnames > If a man lived at the farm Nordbu, he was called Jakob Halvorsen (of) > Nordbu. > If he and the family moved to another farm called Sagbakken, He wil be > registraed as Jakob Halvorsen (of) Sagbakken > > The use of farmnames as an Addressname was because it should be possible to > identify all Ole Olsen etc. by the place the lived. > But makes it harder to track follow the couple/family throgh thir liftime. > > That's how I understand it. > > Halvor in Lier > > -----Opprinnelig melding----- > Fra: Sue Barham <suebarham@comcast.net> > Sendt: mandag 23. juli 2018 18.45 > Til: norway@rootsweb.com > Emne: [NOR] Help with suffixes after farm surnames > > To any “experts” on Norwegian geography and naming practices > > I am researching a number of individuals in Ringebu, Oppland fylke. There > seems to be a pattern of using: > > Given name, patronymic surname, farm name, to which is added > identification of perhaps a bruk? > > Using Rygh’s farm listing, I am not sure if these “farm” names should be > used in total, or stop at the end of the farm name itself and making note > of > the additional information in note section. > > An example: > > Jens Jakobsen was born in Nordbu farm, #9, Venabygd parish, Ringebu, in > 1775. > > He was the son of Jakob Halvorsen Nordbu and Abelone Jensdatter. > > Connected with this family, father, son, siblings, etc., I find: > > Nordbusstuen > > Sæterstuen > > Sagbakken > > Nordbusstugua > > Brandstadhaugen > > Linekeren > > with variations on all of these. I have not been able to find any > information on line about the existence of farms during the mid-to-last > part > of the 1700’s. > > How should I accurately identify these individuals? > > These suffixes could have been added to the information I have found by > other researchers. I have no idea if the people themselves used these/ > > Sue Nelson Barham > > _______________________________________________ > Norwaylist Archiveshttp://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index?list=norway > > RESUBSCRIBE UNSUB > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/NOR/NORWAY.html > > guidelines http://www.rootsweb.com/~norway/guidelines.htm > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe and Archives > https://mailinglists.rootsweb.com/listindexes/search/norway > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is > funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community > > _______________________________________________ > Norwaylist Archiveshttp://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index?list=norway > > RESUBSCRIBE UNSUB > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/NOR/NORWAY.html > > guidelines http://www.rootsweb.com/~norway/guidelines.htm > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe and Archives https://mailinglists.rootsweb. > com/listindexes/search/norway > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community > > > > _______________________________________________ > Norwaylist Archiveshttp://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index?list=norway > > RESUBSCRIBE UNSUB > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/NOR/NORWAY.html > > guidelines http://www.rootsweb.com/~norway/guidelines.htm > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe and Archives https://mailinglists.rootsweb. > com/listindexes/search/norway > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community >

Me too Halvor ;o) Don in Maine USA ---------------------------------------- From: "Halvor Stokke" <halstokk@broadpark.no> Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 2:29 PM To: norway@rootsweb.com Subject: [NOR] Re: Help with suffixes after farm surnames If a man lived at the farm Nordbu, he was called Jakob Halvorsen (of) Nordbu. If he and the family moved to another farm called Sagbakken, He wil be registraed as Jakob Halvorsen (of) Sagbakken The use of farmnames as an Addressname was because it should be possible to identify all Ole Olsen etc. by the place the lived. But makes it harder to track follow the couple/family throgh thir liftime. That's how I understand it. Halvor in Lier -----Opprinnelig melding----- Fra: Sue Barham <suebarham@comcast.net> Sendt: mandag 23. juli 2018 18.45 Til: norway@rootsweb.com Emne: [NOR] Help with suffixes after farm surnames To any “experts” on Norwegian geography and naming practices I am researching a number of individuals in Ringebu, Oppland fylke. There seems to be a pattern of using: Given name, patronymic surname, farm name, to which is added identification of perhaps a bruk? Using Rygh’s farm listing, I am not sure if these “farm” names should be used in total, or stop at the end of the farm name itself and making note of the additional information in note section. An example: Jens Jakobsen was born in Nordbu farm, #9, Venabygd parish, Ringebu, in 1775. He was the son of Jakob Halvorsen Nordbu and Abelone Jensdatter. Connected with this family, father, son, siblings, etc., I find: Nordbusstuen Sæterstuen Sagbakken Nordbusstugua Brandstadhaugen Linekeren with variations on all of these. I have not been able to find any information on line about the existence of farms during the mid-to-last part of the 1700’s. How should I accurately identify these individuals? These suffixes could have been added to the information I have found by other researchers. I have no idea if the people themselves used these/ Sue Nelson Barham _______________________________________________ Norwaylist Archiveshttp://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index?list=norway RESUBSCRIBE UNSUB http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/NOR/NORWAY.html guidelines http://www.rootsweb.com/~norway/guidelines.htm _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe and Archives https://mailinglists.rootsweb.com/listindexes/search/norway Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community _______________________________________________ Norwaylist Archiveshttp://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index?list=norway RESUBSCRIBE UNSUB http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/NOR/NORWAY.html guidelines http://www.rootsweb.com/~norway/guidelines.htm _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe and Archives https://mailinglists.rootsweb.com/listindexes/search/norway Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

If a man lived at the farm Nordbu, he was called Jakob Halvorsen (of) Nordbu. If he and the family moved to another farm called Sagbakken, He wil be registraed as Jakob Halvorsen (of) Sagbakken The use of farmnames as an Addressname was because it should be possible to identify all Ole Olsen etc. by the place the lived. But makes it harder to track follow the couple/family throgh thir liftime. That's how I understand it. Halvor in Lier -----Opprinnelig melding----- Fra: Sue Barham <suebarham@comcast.net> Sendt: mandag 23. juli 2018 18.45 Til: norway@rootsweb.com Emne: [NOR] Help with suffixes after farm surnames To any “experts” on Norwegian geography and naming practices I am researching a number of individuals in Ringebu, Oppland fylke. There seems to be a pattern of using: Given name, patronymic surname, farm name, to which is added identification of perhaps a bruk? Using Rygh’s farm listing, I am not sure if these “farm” names should be used in total, or stop at the end of the farm name itself and making note of the additional information in note section. An example: Jens Jakobsen was born in Nordbu farm, #9, Venabygd parish, Ringebu, in 1775. He was the son of Jakob Halvorsen Nordbu and Abelone Jensdatter. Connected with this family, father, son, siblings, etc., I find: Nordbusstuen Sæterstuen Sagbakken Nordbusstugua Brandstadhaugen Linekeren with variations on all of these. I have not been able to find any information on line about the existence of farms during the mid-to-last part of the 1700’s. How should I accurately identify these individuals? These suffixes could have been added to the information I have found by other researchers. I have no idea if the people themselves used these/ Sue Nelson Barham _______________________________________________ Norwaylist Archiveshttp://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index?list=norway RESUBSCRIBE UNSUB http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/NOR/NORWAY.html guidelines http://www.rootsweb.com/~norway/guidelines.htm _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe and Archives https://mailinglists.rootsweb.com/listindexes/search/norway Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

You may already have it, but just in case --  Otto's site is a good place to start.  Especially his Norwegian to English dictionary.  Before Rootsweb was taken down, the Norway list had a great site that had lots of info from knowledgeable people. Otto's site does have some of those links, but they are not available now.  Hopefully, Ancestry will see fit to put them back on line. Here is Otto's URL.  I hope it will help with some of your questions.    Joy https://otjoerge.wordpress.com/norwegian-american-dictionary/ On 7/23/2018 9:45 AM, Sue Barham wrote: > To any “experts” on Norwegian geography and naming practices > > > > I am researching a number of individuals in Ringebu, Oppland fylke. There > seems to be a pattern of using: > > Given name, patronymic surname, farm name, to which is added > identification of perhaps a bruk? > > > > Using Rygh’s farm listing, I am not sure if these “farm” names should be > used in total, or stop at the end of the farm name itself and making note of > the additional information in note section. > > > > An example: > > > > Jens Jakobsen was born in Nordbu farm, #9, Venabygd parish, Ringebu, in > 1775. > > He was the son of Jakob Halvorsen Nordbu and Abelone Jensdatter. > > > > Connected with this family, father, son, siblings, etc., I find: > > Nordbusstuen > > Sæterstuen > > Sagbakken > > Nordbusstugua > > Brandstadhaugen > > Linekeren > > with variations on all of these. I have not been able to find any > information on line about the existence of farms during the mid-to-last part > of the 1700’s. > > > > How should I accurately identify these individuals? > > > > These suffixes could have been added to the information I have found by > other researchers. I have no idea if the people themselves used these/ > > > > Sue Nelson Barham > > --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

I'm not sure I fully understand what you are asking. Often the larger farms are subdivided into smaller farms which also have individual names which may include the larger farm name. For example Sonsterud may be the large farm, but sub-divided into Sonsterud Lille, Sonsterud Nedre, Sonsterudmoen, etc. So, the suffix is actually part of the farm name. It appears that Ringebu has a bygdebok -- community history that usual has a couple hundred years worth of individuals who have resided on particular farms. Although written in Norwegian, the genealogical information is typically very easily discerned. Is that helpful at all? Rod Kurth On 2018-07-23 11:45, Sue Barham wrote: > To any "experts" on Norwegian geography and naming practices > > I am researching a number of individuals in Ringebu, Oppland fylke. There > seems to be a pattern of using: > > Given name, patronymic surname, farm name, to which is added > identification of perhaps a bruk? > > Using Rygh's farm listing, I am not sure if these "farm" names should be > used in total, or stop at the end of the farm name itself and making note of > the additional information in note section. > > An example: > > Jens Jakobsen was born in Nordbu farm, #9, Venabygd parish, Ringebu, in > 1775. > > He was the son of Jakob Halvorsen Nordbu and Abelone Jensdatter. > > Connected with this family, father, son, siblings, etc., I find: > > Nordbusstuen > > Sæterstuen > > Sagbakken > > Nordbusstugua > > Brandstadhaugen > > Linekeren > > with variations on all of these. I have not been able to find any > information on line about the existence of farms during the mid-to-last part > of the 1700's. > > How should I accurately identify these individuals? > > These suffixes could have been added to the information I have found by > other researchers. I have no idea if the people themselves used these/ > > Sue Nelson Barham > > _______________________________________________ > Norwaylist Archiveshttp://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index?list=norway > > RESUBSCRIBE UNSUB > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/NOR/NORWAY.html [1] > > guidelines http://www.rootsweb.com/~norway/guidelines.htm [2] > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref [3] > Unsubscribe and Archives https://mailinglists.rootsweb.com/listindexes/search/norway [4] > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY [5] Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 [6] > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog [7] > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community Links: ------ [1] http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/NOR/NORWAY.html [2] http://www.rootsweb.com/~norway/guidelines.htm [3] http://bit.ly/rootswebpref [4] https://mailinglists.rootsweb.com/listindexes/search/norway [5] https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY [6] https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 [7] http://rootsweb.blog

To any “experts” on Norwegian geography and naming practices I am researching a number of individuals in Ringebu, Oppland fylke. There seems to be a pattern of using: Given name, patronymic surname, farm name, to which is added identification of perhaps a bruk? Using Rygh’s farm listing, I am not sure if these “farm” names should be used in total, or stop at the end of the farm name itself and making note of the additional information in note section. An example: Jens Jakobsen was born in Nordbu farm, #9, Venabygd parish, Ringebu, in 1775. He was the son of Jakob Halvorsen Nordbu and Abelone Jensdatter. Connected with this family, father, son, siblings, etc., I find: Nordbusstuen Sæterstuen Sagbakken Nordbusstugua Brandstadhaugen Linekeren with variations on all of these. I have not been able to find any information on line about the existence of farms during the mid-to-last part of the 1700’s. How should I accurately identify these individuals? These suffixes could have been added to the information I have found by other researchers. I have no idea if the people themselves used these/ Sue Nelson Barham

This is interesting . . . I've had an uneasy feeling in my gut that we were were running down a rabbit hole! ;o) Don in Maine USA ---------------------------------------- From: "Lars E. Oyane" <lars.e.oyane@sdsl.no> Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2018 6:40 AM To: norway@rootsweb.com Cc: "Jerry Lloyd" <jlloyd@midco.net> Subject: [NOR] Re: Barnes family - obituary and/or cemetery assistance Grande Prairie, AB 1973, please? Dear Jerry and other Listers! Thank you very much, Jerry, for your latest message on this topic from yesterday, and thank you for contributing to solving this big mystery represented by Jane Barnes. I have this morning been examining the Jane Barnes that you found living 1891 in Hinchinbrooke township, Huntingdon Co., QC, and she appears to be a niece of William and Margaret Barnes who farmed in that same place. Her birth parents were John and Mary Barnes, both natives of Québec, but with parents from Ireland, belonging to the Church of England, i.e. from Northern Ireland. John and Mary farmed in that same Hinchinbrooke township, Huntingdon Co., QC in 1881, next door to William and Margaret (who apparently had no children of their own). Following the family on to the 1901 census, we find William and Margaret Barnes - misspelt BARENS - residing at the same place, and their niece is still with them: Jane BARENS, born in QC Mar. 10, 1882! This happens to be the very same birthdate that Jean Barnes had when she died at Grande Prairie, AB in 1972, which in turn means the following: The Jane Barnes that we have been following with such great interest and enthusiasm, apparently had the two daughters Jessie and Agnes «out of wedlock» before she came to AB in 1914, and we have to assume that «our» Christian Barnes was NOT Agnes' father! So, we're «back to square #1»: Who was Miss AGNES CHRISTIANSON who in September 1918 shows up at Poulsbo, WA as Christian Barnes' daughter and next-of-kin? If we could only have found Christian Barnes in the 1920 census - maybe Agnes would be recorded with him?? The closest I get an Agnes Christianson in WA is in the 1930 census where a 27 year old Agnes Christianson is a house maid in Seattle, King Co., WA for a bank manager named Jack Corbett and his family. She was born in MN, but it also says both parents were born in MN! Needless to say, any suggestions in regard to Agnes Christianson will be welcomed with open arms! Very sincerely y0urs, Lars E. Oyane ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > On Jul 20, 2018, at 2:47 PM, Jerry Lloyd <jlloyd@midco.net> wrote: > > in the 1891 Census of Canada > > View 1891 Census of Canada > Add alternate information > Report issue > Name: Jane Barnes > Gender: Female > Marital Status: Single > Age: 9 > Birth Year: abt 1882 > Birthplace: Quebec > Religion: Church of England > French Canadian: No > Father's Birth Place: Quebec > Mother's Birth Place: Quebec > Province: Quebec > District Number: 155 > District: Huntingdon > Subdistrict: Hinchinbrooke > Neighbors: View others on page > Household Members: > Name Age > Jane Barnes 9 > Save Cancel > > ~~~~~~~~ > > Dear Don and other Listers! > > Than you very much, Don, for writing me off-list and giving me additional information about Roy Robertson who appears to have been a local fellow from Bear Lake County, AB, born in MB about 1891. My guess is that he married Jane (Jean) Barnes some time after 1921. > > You also sent me information that Agnes Funk's husband appears to have been one Ray Funk, born 1908, died 1969... > > Now I have just called the Fort McMurray Public library, and they have promised me they would look for Agnes Funk's obituary, which I hope they find. > > I also called the Oliver Funeral Home at Grande Prairie, AB, and they pulled the funeral file that had for Jean Barnes. Boy, was that ever a strange file! It did tell us that Jean was born in the Province of Québec on Mar. 10, 1882, but her parents were UNKNOWN, only that they were both born in IRELAND! > > And it also gave Jean's (last?) husband's name as WILLIAM NEVINS. > > There was no other history on her in the entire file!! > > This Jane/Jean Barnes sure turns out to me as a very «strange» lady. But challenges like this one is what makes genealogy so interesting and fascinating, don't you agree? > > Thanks again for any suggestions anyone can make! > > Very sincerely yours, > > Lars E. Oyane > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > >> On Jul 19, 2018, at 6:49 PM, Lars E. Oyane <lars.e.oyane@sdsl.no> wrote: >> >> Dear Jostein and other Listers! >> >> I was just about to «hit the hay» after a long day of exciting research as your message arrived, Jostein! >> >> Thanks a million! I am sure you have found the «right» Agnes, and of course her OBITUARY would be a great document to see. Maybe I should try calling the Fort McMurray public library to ask for help, but it won't be till tomorrow.! Unless someone can come up with something in the meantime? >> >> Thanks again to all you wonderful listers! You're indeed a great «gang» of excellent researchers! >> >> Very sincerely yours, >> >> Lars E. Oyane >> >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> >>> On Jul 19, 2018, at 6:37 PM, Joe Aasland <jaasland@telus.net> wrote: >>> >>> >>> This looks like it could be Agnes. >>> >>> https://billiongraves.com/grave/Mary-Agnes-Graham-Funk/15690165 >>> >>> Jostein >>> >>> ~~~~~~~~ >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Lars E. Oyane" <lars.e.oyane@sdsl.no> >>> To: norway@rootsweb.com >>> Cc: "Doris Waggoner" <waggonerdoris@gmail.com>, "Thelma Hartman" <mominmotion@shaw.ca>, "Don Angevine" <dangevin@megalink.net> >>> Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2018 5:00:06 PM >>> Subject: [NOR] Re: Barnes family - obituary and/or cemetery assistance Grande Prairie, AB 1973, please? >>> >>> Dear Thelma, Doris, Don and other Listers! >>> >>> Thank you very very much for your interesting and wonderful messages in regard to the Barnes family in Canada! I appreciate very much your willingness, Thelma, to make a trip to Grande Prairie, AB in August, but it may not be necessary, as you will see reading a little further down... >>> >>> I am very glad that you Don found a reference to the family in the 1921 census for Kleskun Hill, AB showing the family at that time: >>> >>> ** BARNES, Jane 38 QB QB QB >>> ** BARNES, Agnes 12 SK QB QB >>> >>> It sounds like Jessie is gone, or maybe she had died. >>> >>> I am kind of «stumped» with Agnes' age. She was said to be 7 in 1916, and in 1921 she is 12, so born about 1908/1909. This means she must have been born while Christian Barnes was married and lived at Ross, ND. Looking at the map, the distance from Ross, ND to Moose Jaw, SK is about 200 miles, about the same as from Britton, SD to Ross, ND, and I guess he may very well have travelled that far for a summer season to make some extra money? Could it be our Christian lived a «double life» having two wives at the same time??? The fact that we can find no Jane Barnes with daughter Jessie in the 1906 census may confirm this theory, as she would then have been recorded under her maiden name..., but also Jane is nowhere to be found in 1911 either! Or could she have been temporarily in the US (Seattle, WA) with Christian thus «avoiding» the 1910 US census as well as the Canadian 1911 census?? >>> >>> We know for sure Christian did have a daughter Agnes (re: the WW1 draft), and who else can she have been?? >>> >>> Maybe we can get a little closer to an answer thanks to these great news: >>> >>> I called the Grande Prairie Public Library, and this evening I have received this wonderful obituary from «The Daily Herald Tribune» of Thursday December 14, 1972: >>> >>> «BARNES - Mrs. Jean Barnes passed away on December 9, 1972 at the Grande Prairie Hospital at the age of 90 years. Mrs. Barnes was born in Québec and has been a resident of the Grande Prairie and Sexsmith districts since 1914. She leaves to mourn her passing 1 daughter Mrs. Agnes Funk of Ft. McMurray, 3 granddaughters, 16 great grandchildren, 9 great great grandchildren. She was predeceased by her husband Roy Robertson in April 1963. >>> >>> Funeral services were held December 12, 1972 at 3 p.m. from the Oliver Funeral Chapel with Rev. C. Bigelow of Heiating. Intement followed in the Grande Prairie Cemetery. Arrangements were by the Oliver Funeral Home.» >>> >>> Now how about that? As it appears, no visit at Grand Prairie has to be made, and I can call the cemetery and even contact the funeral home to see what kind of information they have. Apparently the death date I was given at the courthouse wasn't accurate, or it was for a different person. Now my next project will be to trace Agnes Funk of Ft. McMurray, and if we're lucky, one of her daughters is still alive. Anyway Agnes' death certificate would be a very interesting document to look at!! >>> >>> Thanks again for your great assistance in this matter! >>> >>> Very sincerely yours, >>> >>> Lars E. Oyane >>> >>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >>> >>>> On Jul 18, 2018, at 10:02 PM, Doris Waggoner <waggonerdoris@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi, Lars, >>>> >>>> This is a hard-to-trace family, which must be more frustrating since >>>> they're your own relatives! >>>> >>>> I think the homesteading laws were the same in Canada as in the US. Women >>>> could file for homestead claims on their own if they were unmarried. One of >>>> my great aunts filed in SD in 1907 because she was not yet married. Widows >>>> and divorced women were also eligible. American women were allowed to own >>>> property this way because the government was so eager to fill up the >>>> central part of the country. I am sure the same logic applied in Canada. >>>> >>>> My own mother was b. in SK in 1915, without a birth certificate. She had >>>> dual Canadian/US citizenship, because her parents were US citizens. When >>>> she turned 21, now living in the US, she dropped the Canadian citizenship >>>> so she could vote in US elections. In the 1950s she wanted to get a US >>>> passport to travel overseas, which took her a year. Fortunately, she got >>>> letters from two witnesses--the doctor who delivered her, and a sister of >>>> her mother's, who had been visiting when she was born. That wasn't enough >>>> to satisfy the passport office. Her father was a Norwegian immigrant, and a >>>> naturalized US citizen through his own father's naturalization. She >>>> ultimately had to have her father write to Oslo to get copies of *his* parents' >>>> marriage certificate, and his own birth records, to prove he was >>>> legitimate. After the year it had taken to find out what she needed to do, >>>> the Norwegians sent her the copies in two weeks! >>>> >>>> My mother's family moved to the US almost immediately after her birth (she >>>> was premature, but this is part of the story you only know after the fact, >>>> not by having the records), but later moved back into Canada off and on, >>>> until in 1929 they moved to the US permanently. >>>> >>>> Several times during the 1910s and 1920s, my father's family lived in >>>> Canada, including some time in Moose Jaw. Even today, those areas are all >>>> sparsely settled, as is Mountrail Co. ND and the whole NW corner of ND, >>>> where some of my mother's family still live. My g aunt who lived there had >>>> 3 daughters, who all married brothers, which tells you there weren't many >>>> people to pick from as marriage partners! >>>> >>>> So I don't have any specific info for you. Just an indication that while >>>> Jane homesteaded, once she owned her homestead, she might have moved >>>> around, leaving her property in the hands of a tenant to farm. You might >>>> check the homestead section to see who was living there in those census >>>> years. And if she applied for support in 1951, and was turned down by >>>> Ontario because of the lack of her birth certificate, is it possible she >>>> was living in Ontario in one or more of the intervening census years? >>>> >>>> Beste, >>>> Doris >>>> >>>> On Wed, Jul 18, 2018 at 5:27 PM, Thelma Hartman <mominmotion@shaw.ca> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi Lars >>>>> >>>>> I will be about 2 hours away from Grande Prairie from August 4 to about >>>>> August 12. If you can find out how I can access / copy the file let me know >>>>> and I will make a side trip for you. >>>>> >>>>> All the best >>>>> >>>>> Thelma >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> From: "Lars E. Oyane" <lars.e.oyane@sdsl.no> >>>>> To: "norway@rootsweb.com norway@rootsweb.com" <norway@rootsweb.com> >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2018 1:52:00 PM >>>>> Subject: [NOR] Barnes family - obituary and/or cemetery assistance Grande >>>>> Prairie, AB 1973, please? >>>>> >>> ~~~~~~~~ >>> >>>>> Dear Listers, >>>>> >>>>> While the NORWAY list was down for so lang last spring, I sent an inquiry >>>>> directly to several of you asking for help to trace my own great uncle, >>>>> >>>>> Ole Christian (Colbjornson) aka Christian C. BARNES >>>>> born Apr. 10, 1873 in Norderhov Co., Buskerud, Norway >>>>> emigrated in 1889 to join his mother Maren Gausta at Kennedy, Kittson Co., >>>>> MN >>>>> >>>>> I later found out he must have moved about 1900 to Canada and married a >>>>> 1st time to >>>>> >>>>> Jane NN (of Irish background) >>>>> born about 1880/1883 in Ontario >>>>> >>>>> This marriage ended in a divorce, and >>>>> Christian returned to the US remarrying at Britton, SD July 23, 1905 to >>>>> >>>>> Jarand/Joran OLSON >>>>> born about 1873 in Norway >>>>> They moved to a farm near Ross in Mountrail Co., ND, but >>>>> Joran Barnes died Dec. 16, 1911 in Jamestown, ND >>>>> >>>>> In April of 1911 Christian Barnes moved again to Moose Jaw, SK from where >>>>> he returned in Nov. 1911 over Eastport, ID heading for Seattle, WA. >>>>> >>>>> According to his WW1 draft record Christian was residing as a rancher at >>>>> Poulsbo, WA, and his next-of-kin was «daughter Agnes Christianson» of >>>>> Poulsbo, WA! >>>>> >>>>> Christian Barnes died at Conway, Skagit Co., WA on Oct. 15, 1932, and his >>>>> obituary reads he had resided there «for more than 20 years». >>>>> >>>>> From his 2nd marriage Christian had three sons who were all in 1920 >>>>> residing in an orphanage at Poulsbo, WA: >>>>> >>>>> * Magnus Barnes, born in Marshall Co., SD Sep. 29, 1905, had a heart >>>>> disease and died single in Seattle, WA May 14, 1946 >>>>> >>>>> * Clarence Barnes, born in SD or ND about 1907, was 1930 in prison in >>>>> Bismarck, ND, but lived in 1932 with father at Conway, WA - later destiny >>>>> unknown >>>>> >>>>> * Rudolph Barnes, born in Mountrail Co., ND Mar. 20, 1909, died in >>>>> Portland, OR June 30, 1973, possibly(?) single. >>>>> >>>>> Now back to Christian Barnes' 1st marriage: I have reason to believe he >>>>> must have lived with 1st wife Jane at Moose Jaw, SK, but about 1914 Jane >>>>> took up a «homestead» in Section 27, Township 72 Range 4 near Kleskun >>>>> Hill/Grande Prairie, AB where she resided in 1916 with her two daughters: >>>>> >>>>> * Jessie Barnes, born in SK about 1904 (re census, more likely about 1901) >>>>> >>>>> * Agnes Barnes, born in SK about 1907 (re census, more likely about 1904) >>>>> - who must be identical to Christian's daughter Agnes Christianson referred >>>>> to in his WW1 draft record. >>>>> >>>>> Strangely enough I have never been able to find Jane or her daughters in >>>>> any later Alberta censuses (1921 or 1926) although we know she was still >>>>> residing at Kleskun Hill near Sexsmith and Grande Prairie, AB in 1951 when >>>>> she applied for support money due to old age. This was declined since the >>>>> Province of Ontario was unable to find a birth certificate for her to >>>>> validate her age! >>>>> >>>>> However, today I have been in contact with the Probate record department >>>>> at the Grande Prairie, AB courthouse, and they tell me they have an estate >>>>> file for: >>>>> >>>>> Jane BARNES, died on June 24, 1973 >>>>> >>>>> However, there is NO WAY information can be obtained from this file >>>>> without appearing in person at the courthouse or having someone appear on >>>>> my behalf! >>>>> >>>>> Then I thought: >>>>> >>>>> ** Can an OBITUARY be located for Jane BARNES dying near Grande Prairie, >>>>> AB June 24, 1973? >>>>> >>>>> ** Or can a GRAVE be located for Jane BARNES in a local cemetery? >>>>> >>>>> I would so much like to enter in contact with some survivor of this branch >>>>> of my family, and I thank you all once more for any assistance you can give >>>>> me in this matter! >>>>> >>>>> Very sincerely yours, >>>>> >>>>> Lars E. 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Dear Jerry and other Listers! Thank you very much, Jerry, for your latest message on this topic from yesterday, and thank you for contributing to solving this big mystery represented by Jane Barnes. I have this morning been examining the Jane Barnes that you found living 1891 in Hinchinbrooke township, Huntingdon Co., QC, and she appears to be a niece of William and Margaret Barnes who farmed in that same place. Her birth parents were John and Mary Barnes, both natives of Québec, but with parents from Ireland, belonging to the Church of England, i.e. from Northern Ireland. John and Mary farmed in that same Hinchinbrooke township, Huntingdon Co., QC in 1881, next door to William and Margaret (who apparently had no children of their own). Following the family on to the 1901 census, we find William and Margaret Barnes - misspelt BARENS - residing at the same place, and their niece is still with them: Jane BARENS, born in QC Mar. 10, 1882! This happens to be the very same birthdate that Jean Barnes had when she died at Grande Prairie, AB in 1972, which in turn means the following: The Jane Barnes that we have been following with such great interest and enthusiasm, apparently had the two daughters Jessie and Agnes «out of wedlock» before she came to AB in 1914, and we have to assume that «our» Christian Barnes was NOT Agnes’ father! So, we’re «back to square #1»: Who was Miss AGNES CHRISTIANSON who in September 1918 shows up at Poulsbo, WA as Christian Barnes’ daughter and next-of-kin? If we could only have found Christian Barnes in the 1920 census - maybe Agnes would be recorded with him?? The closest I get an Agnes Christianson in WA is in the 1930 census where a 27 year old Agnes Christianson is a house maid in Seattle, King Co., WA for a bank manager named Jack Corbett and his family. She was born in MN, but it also says both parents were born in MN! Needless to say, any suggestions in regard to Agnes Christianson will be welcomed with open arms! Very sincerely y0urs, Lars E. Oyane ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > On Jul 20, 2018, at 2:47 PM, Jerry Lloyd <jlloyd@midco.net> wrote: > > in the 1891 Census of Canada > > View 1891 Census of Canada > Add alternate information > Report issue > Name: Jane Barnes > Gender: Female > Marital Status: Single > Age: 9 > Birth Year: abt 1882 > Birthplace: Quebec > Religion: Church of England > French Canadian: No > Father's Birth Place: Quebec > Mother's Birth Place: Quebec > Province: Quebec > District Number: 155 > District: Huntingdon > Subdistrict: Hinchinbrooke > Neighbors: View others on page > Household Members: > Name Age > Jane Barnes 9 > Save Cancel > > ~~~~~~~~ > > Dear Don and other Listers! > > Than you very much, Don, for writing me off-list and giving me additional information about Roy Robertson who appears to have been a local fellow from Bear Lake County, AB, born in MB about 1891. My guess is that he married Jane (Jean) Barnes some time after 1921… > > You also sent me information that Agnes Funk’s husband appears to have been one Ray Funk, born 1908, died 1969... > > Now I have just called the Fort McMurray Public library, and they have promised me they would look for Agnes Funk’s obituary, which I hope they find… > > I also called the Oliver Funeral Home at Grande Prairie, AB, and they pulled the funeral file that had for Jean Barnes. Boy, was that ever a strange file! It did tell us that Jean was born in the Province of Québec on Mar. 10, 1882, but her parents were UNKNOWN, only that they were both born in IRELAND! > > And it also gave Jean’s (last?) husband’s name as WILLIAM NEVINS. > > There was no other history on her in the entire file!! > > This Jane/Jean Barnes sure turns out to me as a very «strange» lady… But challenges like this one is what makes genealogy so interesting and fascinating, don’t you agree? > > Thanks again for any suggestions anyone can make! > > Very sincerely yours, > > Lars E. Oyane > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > >> On Jul 19, 2018, at 6:49 PM, Lars E. Oyane <lars.e.oyane@sdsl.no> wrote: >> >> Dear Jostein and other Listers! >> >> I was just about to «hit the hay» after a long day of exciting research as your message arrived, Jostein! >> >> Thanks a million! I am sure you have found the «right» Agnes, and of course her OBITUARY would be a great document to see. Maybe I should try calling the Fort McMurray public library to ask for help, but it won't be till tomorrow…! Unless someone can come up with something in the meantime? >> >> Thanks again to all you wonderful listers! You’re indeed a great «gang» of excellent researchers! >> >> Very sincerely yours, >> >> Lars E. Oyane >> >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> >>> On Jul 19, 2018, at 6:37 PM, Joe Aasland <jaasland@telus.net> wrote: >>> >>> >>> This looks like it could be Agnes. >>> >>> https://billiongraves.com/grave/Mary-Agnes-Graham-Funk/15690165 >>> >>> Jostein >>> >>> ~~~~~~~~ >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Lars E. Oyane" <lars.e.oyane@sdsl.no> >>> To: norway@rootsweb.com >>> Cc: "Doris Waggoner" <waggonerdoris@gmail.com>, "Thelma Hartman" <mominmotion@shaw.ca>, "Don Angevine" <dangevin@megalink.net> >>> Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2018 5:00:06 PM >>> Subject: [NOR] Re: Barnes family - obituary and/or cemetery assistance Grande Prairie, AB 1973, please? >>> >>> Dear Thelma, Doris, Don and other Listers! >>> >>> Thank you very very much for your interesting and wonderful messages in regard to the Barnes family in Canada! I appreciate very much your willingness, Thelma, to make a trip to Grande Prairie, AB in August, but it may not be necessary, as you will see reading a little further down... >>> >>> I am very glad that you Don found a reference to the family in the 1921 census for Kleskun Hill, AB showing the family at that time: >>> >>> ** BARNES, Jane 38 QB QB QB >>> ** BARNES, Agnes 12 SK QB QB >>> >>> It sounds like Jessie is gone, or maybe she had died… >>> >>> I am kind of «stumped» with Agnes’ age. She was said to be 7 in 1916, and in 1921 she is 12, so born about 1908/1909. This means she must have been born while Christian Barnes was married and lived at Ross, ND. Looking at the map, the distance from Ross, ND to Moose Jaw, SK is about 200 miles, about the same as from Britton, SD to Ross, ND, and I guess he may very well have travelled that far for a summer season to make some extra money? Could it be our Christian lived a «double life» having two wives at the same time??? The fact that we can find no Jane Barnes with daughter Jessie in the 1906 census may confirm this theory, as she would then have been recorded under her maiden name..., but also Jane is nowhere to be found in 1911 either! Or could she have been temporarily in the US (Seattle, WA) with Christian thus «avoiding» the 1910 US census as well as the Canadian 1911 census?? >>> >>> We know for sure Christian did have a daughter Agnes (re: the WW1 draft), and who else can she have been?? >>> >>> Maybe we can get a little closer to an answer thanks to these great news: >>> >>> I called the Grande Prairie Public Library, and this evening I have received this wonderful obituary from «The Daily Herald Tribune» of Thursday December 14, 1972: >>> >>> «BARNES - Mrs. Jean Barnes passed away on December 9, 1972 at the Grande Prairie Hospital at the age of 90 years. Mrs. Barnes was born in Québec and has been a resident of the Grande Prairie and Sexsmith districts since 1914. She leaves to mourn her passing 1 daughter Mrs. Agnes Funk of Ft. McMurray, 3 granddaughters, 16 great grandchildren, 9 great great grandchildren. She was predeceased by her husband Roy Robertson in April 1963. >>> >>> Funeral services were held December 12, 1972 at 3 p.m. from the Oliver Funeral Chapel with Rev. C. Bigelow of Heiating. Intement followed in the Grande Prairie Cemetery. Arrangements were by the Oliver Funeral Home.» >>> >>> Now how about that? As it appears, no visit at Grand Prairie has to be made, and I can call the cemetery and even contact the funeral home to see what kind of information they have… Apparently the death date I was given at the courthouse wasn’t accurate, or it was for a different person. Now my next project will be to trace Agnes Funk of Ft. McMurray, and if we’re lucky, one of her daughters is still alive… Anyway Agnes’ death certificate would be a very interesting document to look at!! >>> >>> Thanks again for your great assistance in this matter! >>> >>> Very sincerely yours, >>> >>> Lars E. Oyane >>> >>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >>> >>>> On Jul 18, 2018, at 10:02 PM, Doris Waggoner <waggonerdoris@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi, Lars, >>>> >>>> This is a hard-to-trace family, which must be more frustrating since >>>> they're your own relatives! >>>> >>>> I think the homesteading laws were the same in Canada as in the US. Women >>>> could file for homestead claims on their own if they were unmarried. One of >>>> my great aunts filed in SD in 1907 because she was not yet married. Widows >>>> and divorced women were also eligible. American women were allowed to own >>>> property this way because the government was so eager to fill up the >>>> central part of the country. I am sure the same logic applied in Canada. >>>> >>>> My own mother was b. in SK in 1915, without a birth certificate. She had >>>> dual Canadian/US citizenship, because her parents were US citizens. When >>>> she turned 21, now living in the US, she dropped the Canadian citizenship >>>> so she could vote in US elections. In the 1950s she wanted to get a US >>>> passport to travel overseas, which took her a year. Fortunately, she got >>>> letters from two witnesses--the doctor who delivered her, and a sister of >>>> her mother's, who had been visiting when she was born. That wasn't enough >>>> to satisfy the passport office. Her father was a Norwegian immigrant, and a >>>> naturalized US citizen through his own father's naturalization. She >>>> ultimately had to have her father write to Oslo to get copies of *his* parents' >>>> marriage certificate, and his own birth records, to prove he was >>>> legitimate. After the year it had taken to find out what she needed to do, >>>> the Norwegians sent her the copies in two weeks! >>>> >>>> My mother's family moved to the US almost immediately after her birth (she >>>> was premature, but this is part of the story you only know after the fact, >>>> not by having the records), but later moved back into Canada off and on, >>>> until in 1929 they moved to the US permanently. >>>> >>>> Several times during the 1910s and 1920s, my father's family lived in >>>> Canada, including some time in Moose Jaw. Even today, those areas are all >>>> sparsely settled, as is Mountrail Co. ND and the whole NW corner of ND, >>>> where some of my mother's family still live. My g aunt who lived there had >>>> 3 daughters, who all married brothers, which tells you there weren't many >>>> people to pick from as marriage partners! >>>> >>>> So I don't have any specific info for you. Just an indication that while >>>> Jane homesteaded, once she owned her homestead, she might have moved >>>> around, leaving her property in the hands of a tenant to farm. You might >>>> check the homestead section to see who was living there in those census >>>> years. And if she applied for support in 1951, and was turned down by >>>> Ontario because of the lack of her birth certificate, is it possible she >>>> was living in Ontario in one or more of the intervening census years? >>>> >>>> Beste, >>>> Doris >>>> >>>> On Wed, Jul 18, 2018 at 5:27 PM, Thelma Hartman <mominmotion@shaw.ca> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi Lars >>>>> >>>>> I will be about 2 hours away from Grande Prairie from August 4 to about >>>>> August 12. If you can find out how I can access / copy the file let me know >>>>> and I will make a side trip for you. >>>>> >>>>> All the best >>>>> >>>>> Thelma >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> From: "Lars E. Oyane" <lars.e.oyane@sdsl.no> >>>>> To: "norway@rootsweb.com norway@rootsweb.com" <norway@rootsweb.com> >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2018 1:52:00 PM >>>>> Subject: [NOR] Barnes family - obituary and/or cemetery assistance Grande >>>>> Prairie, AB 1973, please? >>>>> >>> ~~~~~~~~ >>> >>>>> Dear Listers, >>>>> >>>>> While the NORWAY list was down for so lang last spring, I sent an inquiry >>>>> directly to several of you asking for help to trace my own great uncle, >>>>> >>>>> Ole Christian (Colbjornson) aka Christian C. BARNES >>>>> born Apr. 10, 1873 in Norderhov Co., Buskerud, Norway >>>>> emigrated in 1889 to join his mother Maren Gausta at Kennedy, Kittson Co., >>>>> MN >>>>> >>>>> I later found out he must have moved about 1900 to Canada and married a >>>>> 1st time to >>>>> >>>>> Jane NN (of Irish background) >>>>> born about 1880/1883 in Ontario >>>>> >>>>> This marriage ended in a divorce, and >>>>> Christian returned to the US remarrying at Britton, SD July 23, 1905 to >>>>> >>>>> Jarand/Joran OLSON >>>>> born about 1873 in Norway >>>>> They moved to a farm near Ross in Mountrail Co., ND, but >>>>> Joran Barnes died Dec. 16, 1911 in Jamestown, ND >>>>> >>>>> In April of 1911 Christian Barnes moved again to Moose Jaw, SK from where >>>>> he returned in Nov. 1911 over Eastport, ID heading for Seattle, WA. >>>>> >>>>> According to his WW1 draft record Christian was residing as a rancher at >>>>> Poulsbo, WA, and his next-of-kin was «daughter Agnes Christianson» of >>>>> Poulsbo, WA! >>>>> >>>>> Christian Barnes died at Conway, Skagit Co., WA on Oct. 15, 1932, and his >>>>> obituary reads he had resided there «for more than 20 years». >>>>> >>>>> From his 2nd marriage Christian had three sons who were all in 1920 >>>>> residing in an orphanage at Poulsbo, WA: >>>>> >>>>> * Magnus Barnes, born in Marshall Co., SD Sep. 29, 1905, had a heart >>>>> disease and died single in Seattle, WA May 14, 1946 >>>>> >>>>> * Clarence Barnes, born in SD or ND about 1907, was 1930 in prison in >>>>> Bismarck, ND, but lived in 1932 with father at Conway, WA - later destiny >>>>> unknown >>>>> >>>>> * Rudolph Barnes, born in Mountrail Co., ND Mar. 20, 1909, died in >>>>> Portland, OR June 30, 1973, possibly(?) single. >>>>> >>>>> Now back to Christian Barnes’ 1st marriage: I have reason to believe he >>>>> must have lived with 1st wife Jane at Moose Jaw, SK, but about 1914 Jane >>>>> took up a «homestead» in Section 27, Township 72 Range 4 near Kleskun >>>>> Hill/Grande Prairie, AB where she resided in 1916 with her two daughters: >>>>> >>>>> * Jessie Barnes, born in SK about 1904 (re census, more likely about 1901) >>>>> >>>>> * Agnes Barnes, born in SK about 1907 (re census, more likely about 1904) >>>>> - who must be identical to Christian’s daughter Agnes Christianson referred >>>>> to in his WW1 draft record… >>>>> >>>>> Strangely enough I have never been able to find Jane or her daughters in >>>>> any later Alberta censuses (1921 or 1926) although we know she was still >>>>> residing at Kleskun Hill near Sexsmith and Grande Prairie, AB in 1951 when >>>>> she applied for support money due to old age. This was declined since the >>>>> Province of Ontario was unable to find a birth certificate for her to >>>>> validate her age! >>>>> >>>>> However, today I have been in contact with the Probate record department >>>>> at the Grande Prairie, AB courthouse, and they tell me they have an estate >>>>> file for: >>>>> >>>>> Jane BARNES, died on June 24, 1973 >>>>> >>>>> However, there is NO WAY information can be obtained from this file >>>>> without appearing in person at the courthouse or having someone appear on >>>>> my behalf! >>>>> >>>>> Then I thought: >>>>> >>>>> ** Can an OBITUARY be located for Jane BARNES dying near Grande Prairie, >>>>> AB June 24, 1973? >>>>> >>>>> ** Or can a GRAVE be located for Jane BARNES in a local cemetery? >>>>> >>>>> I would so much like to enter in contact with some survivor of this branch >>>>> of my family, and I thank you all once more for any assistance you can give >>>>> me in this matter! >>>>> >>>>> Very sincerely yours, >>>>> >>>>> Lars E. Oyane >>>>> >>>>>

in the 1891 Census of Canada View 1891 Census of Canada Add alternate information Report issue Name: Jane Barnes Gender: Female Marital Status: Single Age: 9 Birth Year: abt 1882 Birthplace: Quebec Religion: Church of England French Canadian: No Father's Birth Place: Quebec Mother's Birth Place: Quebec Province: Quebec District Number: 155 District: Huntingdon Subdistrict: Hinchinbrooke Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Jane Barnes 9 Save Cancel Dear Don and other Listers! Than you very much, Don, for writing me off-list and giving me additional information about Roy Robertson who appears to have been a local fellow from Bear Lake County, AB, born in MB about 1891. My guess is that he married Jane (Jean) Barnes some time after 1921… You also sent me information that Agnes Funk’s husband appears to have been one Ray Funk, born 1908, died 1969... Now I have just called the Fort McMurray Public library, and they have promised me they would look for Agnes Funk’s obituary, which I hope they find… I also called the Oliver Funeral Home at Grande Prairie, AB, and they pulled the funeral file that had for Jean Barnes. Boy, was that ever a strange file! It did tell us that Jean was born in the Province of Québec on Mar. 10, 1882, but her parents were UNKNOWN, only that they were both born in IRELAND! And it also gave Jean’s (last?) husband’s name as WILLIAM NEVINS. There was no other history on her in the entire file!! This Jane/Jean Barnes sure turns out to me as a very «strange» lady… But challenges like this one is what makes genealogy so interesting and fascinating, don’t you agree? Thanks again for any suggestions anyone can make! Very sincerely yours, Lars E. Oyane ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > On Jul 19, 2018, at 6:49 PM, Lars E. Oyane <lars.e.oyane@sdsl.no> wrote: > > Dear Jostein and other Listers! > > I was just about to «hit the hay» after a long day of exciting research as > your message arrived, Jostein! > > Thanks a million! I am sure you have found the «right» Agnes, and of > course her OBITUARY would be a great document to see. Maybe I should try > calling the Fort McMurray public library to ask for help, but it won't be > till tomorrow…! Unless someone can come up with something in the > meantime? > > Thanks again to all you wonderful listers! You’re indeed a great «gang» > of excellent researchers! > > Very sincerely yours, > > Lars E. Oyane > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > >> On Jul 19, 2018, at 6:37 PM, Joe Aasland <jaasland@telus.net> wrote: >> >> >> This looks like it could be Agnes. >> >> https://billiongraves.com/grave/Mary-Agnes-Graham-Funk/15690165 >> >> Jostein >> >> ~~~~~~~~ >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Lars E. Oyane" <lars.e.oyane@sdsl.no> >> To: norway@rootsweb.com >> Cc: "Doris Waggoner" <waggonerdoris@gmail.com>, "Thelma Hartman" >> <mominmotion@shaw.ca>, "Don Angevine" <dangevin@megalink.net> >> Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2018 5:00:06 PM >> Subject: [NOR] Re: Barnes family - obituary and/or cemetery assistance >> Grande Prairie, AB 1973, please? >> >> Dear Thelma, Doris, Don and other Listers! >> >> Thank you very very much for your interesting and wonderful messages in >> regard to the Barnes family in Canada! I appreciate very much your >> willingness, Thelma, to make a trip to Grande Prairie, AB in August, but >> it may not be necessary, as you will see reading a little further down... >> >> I am very glad that you Don found a reference to the family in the 1921 >> census for Kleskun Hill, AB showing the family at that time: >> >> ** BARNES, Jane 38 QB QB QB >> ** BARNES, Agnes 12 SK QB QB >> >> It sounds like Jessie is gone, or maybe she had died… >> >> I am kind of «stumped» with Agnes’ age. She was said to be 7 in 1916, >> and in 1921 she is 12, so born about 1908/1909. This means she must have >> been born while Christian Barnes was married and lived at Ross, ND. >> Looking at the map, the distance from Ross, ND to Moose Jaw, SK is about >> 200 miles, about the same as from Britton, SD to Ross, ND, and I guess he >> may very well have travelled that far for a summer season to make some >> extra money? Could it be our Christian lived a «double life» having two >> wives at the same time??? The fact that we can find no Jane Barnes with >> daughter Jessie in the 1906 census may confirm this theory, as she would >> then have been recorded under her maiden name..., but also Jane is >> nowhere to be found in 1911 either! Or could she have been temporarily >> in the US (Seattle, WA) with Christian thus «avoiding» the 1910 US census >> as well as the Canadian 1911 census?? >> >> We know for sure Christian did have a daughter Agnes (re: the WW1 draft), >> and who else can she have been?? >> >> Maybe we can get a little closer to an answer thanks to these great news: >> >> I called the Grande Prairie Public Library, and this evening I have >> received this wonderful obituary from «The Daily Herald Tribune» of >> Thursday December 14, 1972: >> >> «BARNES - Mrs. Jean Barnes passed away on December 9, 1972 at the Grande >> Prairie Hospital at the age of 90 years. Mrs. Barnes was born in Québec >> and has been a resident of the Grande Prairie and Sexsmith districts >> since 1914. She leaves to mourn her passing 1 daughter Mrs. Agnes Funk >> of Ft. McMurray, 3 granddaughters, 16 great grandchildren, 9 great great >> grandchildren. She was predeceased by her husband Roy Robertson in April >> 1963. >> >> Funeral services were held December 12, 1972 at 3 p.m. from the Oliver >> Funeral Chapel with Rev. C. Bigelow of Heiating. Intement followed in >> the Grande Prairie Cemetery. Arrangements were by the Oliver Funeral >> Home.» >> >> Now how about that? As it appears, no visit at Grand Prairie has to be >> made, and I can call the cemetery and even contact the funeral home to >> see what kind of information they have… Apparently the death date I was >> given at the courthouse wasn’t accurate, or it was for a different >> person. Now my next project will be to trace Agnes Funk of Ft. McMurray, >> and if we’re lucky, one of her daughters is still alive… Anyway Agnes’ >> death certificate would be a very interesting document to look at!! >> >> Thanks again for your great assistance in this matter! >> >> Very sincerely yours, >> >> Lars E. Oyane >> >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> >>> On Jul 18, 2018, at 10:02 PM, Doris Waggoner <waggonerdoris@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>> Hi, Lars, >>> >>> This is a hard-to-trace family, which must be more frustrating since >>> they're your own relatives! >>> >>> I think the homesteading laws were the same in Canada as in the US. >>> Women >>> could file for homestead claims on their own if they were unmarried. One >>> of >>> my great aunts filed in SD in 1907 because she was not yet married. >>> Widows >>> and divorced women were also eligible. American women were allowed to >>> own >>> property this way because the government was so eager to fill up the >>> central part of the country. I am sure the same logic applied in >>> Canada. >>> >>> My own mother was b. in SK in 1915, without a birth certificate. She had >>> dual Canadian/US citizenship, because her parents were US citizens. When >>> she turned 21, now living in the US, she dropped the Canadian >>> citizenship >>> so she could vote in US elections. In the 1950s she wanted to get a US >>> passport to travel overseas, which took her a year. Fortunately, she got >>> letters from two witnesses--the doctor who delivered her, and a sister >>> of >>> her mother's, who had been visiting when she was born. That wasn't >>> enough >>> to satisfy the passport office. Her father was a Norwegian immigrant, >>> and a >>> naturalized US citizen through his own father's naturalization. She >>> ultimately had to have her father write to Oslo to get copies of *his* >>> parents' >>> marriage certificate, and his own birth records, to prove he was >>> legitimate. After the year it had taken to find out what she needed to >>> do, >>> the Norwegians sent her the copies in two weeks! >>> >>> My mother's family moved to the US almost immediately after her birth >>> (she >>> was premature, but this is part of the story you only know after the >>> fact, >>> not by having the records), but later moved back into Canada off and on, >>> until in 1929 they moved to the US permanently. >>> >>> Several times during the 1910s and 1920s, my father's family lived in >>> Canada, including some time in Moose Jaw. Even today, those areas are >>> all >>> sparsely settled, as is Mountrail Co. ND and the whole NW corner of ND, >>> where some of my mother's family still live. My g aunt who lived there >>> had >>> 3 daughters, who all married brothers, which tells you there weren't >>> many >>> people to pick from as marriage partners! >>> >>> So I don't have any specific info for you. Just an indication that >>> while >>> Jane homesteaded, once she owned her homestead, she might have moved >>> around, leaving her property in the hands of a tenant to farm. You >>> might >>> check the homestead section to see who was living there in those census >>> years. And if she applied for support in 1951, and was turned down by >>> Ontario because of the lack of her birth certificate, is it possible she >>> was living in Ontario in one or more of the intervening census years? >>> >>> Beste, >>> Doris >>> >>> On Wed, Jul 18, 2018 at 5:27 PM, Thelma Hartman <mominmotion@shaw.ca> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Lars >>>> >>>> I will be about 2 hours away from Grande Prairie from August 4 to about >>>> August 12. If you can find out how I can access / copy the file let me >>>> know >>>> and I will make a side trip for you. >>>> >>>> All the best >>>> >>>> Thelma >>>> >>>> >>>> From: "Lars E. Oyane" <lars.e.oyane@sdsl.no> >>>> To: "norway@rootsweb.com norway@rootsweb.com" <norway@rootsweb.com> >>>> Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2018 1:52:00 PM >>>> Subject: [NOR] Barnes family - obituary and/or cemetery assistance >>>> Grande >>>> Prairie, AB 1973, please? >>>> >> ~~~~~~~~ >> >>>> Dear Listers, >>>> >>>> While the NORWAY list was down for so lang last spring, I sent an >>>> inquiry >>>> directly to several of you asking for help to trace my own great uncle, >>>> >>>> Ole Christian (Colbjornson) aka Christian C. BARNES >>>> born Apr. 10, 1873 in Norderhov Co., Buskerud, Norway >>>> emigrated in 1889 to join his mother Maren Gausta at Kennedy, Kittson >>>> Co., >>>> MN >>>> >>>> I later found out he must have moved about 1900 to Canada and married a >>>> 1st time to >>>> >>>> Jane NN (of Irish background) >>>> born about 1880/1883 in Ontario >>>> >>>> This marriage ended in a divorce, and >>>> Christian returned to the US remarrying at Britton, SD July 23, 1905 to >>>> >>>> Jarand/Joran OLSON >>>> born about 1873 in Norway >>>> They moved to a farm near Ross in Mountrail Co., ND, but >>>> Joran Barnes died Dec. 16, 1911 in Jamestown, ND >>>> >>>> In April of 1911 Christian Barnes moved again to Moose Jaw, SK from >>>> where >>>> he returned in Nov. 1911 over Eastport, ID heading for Seattle, WA. >>>> >>>> According to his WW1 draft record Christian was residing as a rancher >>>> at >>>> Poulsbo, WA, and his next-of-kin was «daughter Agnes Christianson» of >>>> Poulsbo, WA! >>>> >>>> Christian Barnes died at Conway, Skagit Co., WA on Oct. 15, 1932, and >>>> his >>>> obituary reads he had resided there «for more than 20 years». >>>> >>>> From his 2nd marriage Christian had three sons who were all in 1920 >>>> residing in an orphanage at Poulsbo, WA: >>>> >>>> * Magnus Barnes, born in Marshall Co., SD Sep. 29, 1905, had a heart >>>> disease and died single in Seattle, WA May 14, 1946 >>>> >>>> * Clarence Barnes, born in SD or ND about 1907, was 1930 in prison in >>>> Bismarck, ND, but lived in 1932 with father at Conway, WA - later >>>> destiny >>>> unknown >>>> >>>> * Rudolph Barnes, born in Mountrail Co., ND Mar. 20, 1909, died in >>>> Portland, OR June 30, 1973, possibly(?) single. >>>> >>>> Now back to Christian Barnes’ 1st marriage: I have reason to believe he >>>> must have lived with 1st wife Jane at Moose Jaw, SK, but about 1914 >>>> Jane >>>> took up a «homestead» in Section 27, Township 72 Range 4 near Kleskun >>>> Hill/Grande Prairie, AB where she resided in 1916 with her two >>>> daughters: >>>> >>>> * Jessie Barnes, born in SK about 1904 (re census, more likely about >>>> 1901) >>>> >>>> * Agnes Barnes, born in SK about 1907 (re census, more likely about >>>> 1904) >>>> - who must be identical to Christian’s daughter Agnes Christianson >>>> referred >>>> to in his WW1 draft record… >>>> >>>> Strangely enough I have never been able to find Jane or her daughters >>>> in >>>> any later Alberta censuses (1921 or 1926) although we know she was >>>> still >>>> residing at Kleskun Hill near Sexsmith and Grande Prairie, AB in 1951 >>>> when >>>> she applied for support money due to old age. This was declined since >>>> the >>>> Province of Ontario was unable to find a birth certificate for her to >>>> validate her age! >>>> >>>> However, today I have been in contact with the Probate record >>>> department >>>> at the Grande Prairie, AB courthouse, and they tell me they have an >>>> estate >>>> file for: >>>> >>>> Jane BARNES, died on June 24, 1973 >>>> >>>> However, there is NO WAY information can be obtained from this file >>>> without appearing in person at the courthouse or having someone appear >>>> on >>>> my behalf! >>>> >>>> Then I thought: >>>> >>>> ** Can an OBITUARY be located for Jane BARNES dying near Grande >>>> Prairie, >>>> AB June 24, 1973? >>>> >>>> ** Or can a GRAVE be located for Jane BARNES in a local cemetery? >>>> >>>> I would so much like to enter in contact with some survivor of this >>>> branch >>>> of my family, and I thank you all once more for any assistance you can >>>> give >>>> me in this matter! >>>> >>>> Very sincerely yours, >>>> >>>> Lars E. 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Dear Don and other Listers! Than you very much, Don, for writing me off-list and giving me additional information about Roy Robertson who appears to have been a local fellow from Bear Lake County, AB, born in MB about 1891. My guess is that he married Jane (Jean) Barnes some time after 1921… You also sent me information that Agnes Funk’s husband appears to have been one Ray Funk, born 1908, died 1969... Now I have just called the Fort McMurray Public library, and they have promised me they would look for Agnes Funk’s obituary, which I hope they find… I also called the Oliver Funeral Home at Grande Prairie, AB, and they pulled the funeral file that had for Jean Barnes. Boy, was that ever a strange file! It did tell us that Jean was born in the Province of Québec on Mar. 10, 1882, but her parents were UNKNOWN, only that they were both born in IRELAND! And it also gave Jean’s (last?) husband’s name as WILLIAM NEVINS. There was no other history on her in the entire file!! This Jane/Jean Barnes sure turns out to me as a very «strange» lady… But challenges like this one is what makes genealogy so interesting and fascinating, don’t you agree? Thanks again for any suggestions anyone can make! Very sincerely yours, Lars E. Oyane ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > On Jul 19, 2018, at 6:49 PM, Lars E. Oyane <lars.e.oyane@sdsl.no> wrote: > > Dear Jostein and other Listers! > > I was just about to «hit the hay» after a long day of exciting research as your message arrived, Jostein! > > Thanks a million! I am sure you have found the «right» Agnes, and of course her OBITUARY would be a great document to see. Maybe I should try calling the Fort McMurray public library to ask for help, but it won't be till tomorrow…! Unless someone can come up with something in the meantime? > > Thanks again to all you wonderful listers! You’re indeed a great «gang» of excellent researchers! > > Very sincerely yours, > > Lars E. Oyane > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > >> On Jul 19, 2018, at 6:37 PM, Joe Aasland <jaasland@telus.net> wrote: >> >> >> This looks like it could be Agnes. >> >> https://billiongraves.com/grave/Mary-Agnes-Graham-Funk/15690165 >> >> Jostein >> >> ~~~~~~~~ >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Lars E. Oyane" <lars.e.oyane@sdsl.no> >> To: norway@rootsweb.com >> Cc: "Doris Waggoner" <waggonerdoris@gmail.com>, "Thelma Hartman" <mominmotion@shaw.ca>, "Don Angevine" <dangevin@megalink.net> >> Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2018 5:00:06 PM >> Subject: [NOR] Re: Barnes family - obituary and/or cemetery assistance Grande Prairie, AB 1973, please? >> >> Dear Thelma, Doris, Don and other Listers! >> >> Thank you very very much for your interesting and wonderful messages in regard to the Barnes family in Canada! I appreciate very much your willingness, Thelma, to make a trip to Grande Prairie, AB in August, but it may not be necessary, as you will see reading a little further down... >> >> I am very glad that you Don found a reference to the family in the 1921 census for Kleskun Hill, AB showing the family at that time: >> >> ** BARNES, Jane 38 QB QB QB >> ** BARNES, Agnes 12 SK QB QB >> >> It sounds like Jessie is gone, or maybe she had died… >> >> I am kind of «stumped» with Agnes’ age. She was said to be 7 in 1916, and in 1921 she is 12, so born about 1908/1909. This means she must have been born while Christian Barnes was married and lived at Ross, ND. Looking at the map, the distance from Ross, ND to Moose Jaw, SK is about 200 miles, about the same as from Britton, SD to Ross, ND, and I guess he may very well have travelled that far for a summer season to make some extra money? Could it be our Christian lived a «double life» having two wives at the same time??? The fact that we can find no Jane Barnes with daughter Jessie in the 1906 census may confirm this theory, as she would then have been recorded under her maiden name..., but also Jane is nowhere to be found in 1911 either! Or could she have been temporarily in the US (Seattle, WA) with Christian thus «avoiding» the 1910 US census as well as the Canadian 1911 census?? >> >> We know for sure Christian did have a daughter Agnes (re: the WW1 draft), and who else can she have been?? >> >> Maybe we can get a little closer to an answer thanks to these great news: >> >> I called the Grande Prairie Public Library, and this evening I have received this wonderful obituary from «The Daily Herald Tribune» of Thursday December 14, 1972: >> >> «BARNES - Mrs. Jean Barnes passed away on December 9, 1972 at the Grande Prairie Hospital at the age of 90 years. Mrs. Barnes was born in Québec and has been a resident of the Grande Prairie and Sexsmith districts since 1914. She leaves to mourn her passing 1 daughter Mrs. Agnes Funk of Ft. McMurray, 3 granddaughters, 16 great grandchildren, 9 great great grandchildren. She was predeceased by her husband Roy Robertson in April 1963. >> >> Funeral services were held December 12, 1972 at 3 p.m. from the Oliver Funeral Chapel with Rev. C. Bigelow of Heiating. Intement followed in the Grande Prairie Cemetery. Arrangements were by the Oliver Funeral Home.» >> >> Now how about that? As it appears, no visit at Grand Prairie has to be made, and I can call the cemetery and even contact the funeral home to see what kind of information they have… Apparently the death date I was given at the courthouse wasn’t accurate, or it was for a different person. Now my next project will be to trace Agnes Funk of Ft. McMurray, and if we’re lucky, one of her daughters is still alive… Anyway Agnes’ death certificate would be a very interesting document to look at!! >> >> Thanks again for your great assistance in this matter! >> >> Very sincerely yours, >> >> Lars E. Oyane >> >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> >>> On Jul 18, 2018, at 10:02 PM, Doris Waggoner <waggonerdoris@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> Hi, Lars, >>> >>> This is a hard-to-trace family, which must be more frustrating since >>> they're your own relatives! >>> >>> I think the homesteading laws were the same in Canada as in the US. Women >>> could file for homestead claims on their own if they were unmarried. One of >>> my great aunts filed in SD in 1907 because she was not yet married. Widows >>> and divorced women were also eligible. American women were allowed to own >>> property this way because the government was so eager to fill up the >>> central part of the country. I am sure the same logic applied in Canada. >>> >>> My own mother was b. in SK in 1915, without a birth certificate. She had >>> dual Canadian/US citizenship, because her parents were US citizens. When >>> she turned 21, now living in the US, she dropped the Canadian citizenship >>> so she could vote in US elections. In the 1950s she wanted to get a US >>> passport to travel overseas, which took her a year. Fortunately, she got >>> letters from two witnesses--the doctor who delivered her, and a sister of >>> her mother's, who had been visiting when she was born. That wasn't enough >>> to satisfy the passport office. Her father was a Norwegian immigrant, and a >>> naturalized US citizen through his own father's naturalization. She >>> ultimately had to have her father write to Oslo to get copies of *his* parents' >>> marriage certificate, and his own birth records, to prove he was >>> legitimate. After the year it had taken to find out what she needed to do, >>> the Norwegians sent her the copies in two weeks! >>> >>> My mother's family moved to the US almost immediately after her birth (she >>> was premature, but this is part of the story you only know after the fact, >>> not by having the records), but later moved back into Canada off and on, >>> until in 1929 they moved to the US permanently. >>> >>> Several times during the 1910s and 1920s, my father's family lived in >>> Canada, including some time in Moose Jaw. Even today, those areas are all >>> sparsely settled, as is Mountrail Co. ND and the whole NW corner of ND, >>> where some of my mother's family still live. My g aunt who lived there had >>> 3 daughters, who all married brothers, which tells you there weren't many >>> people to pick from as marriage partners! >>> >>> So I don't have any specific info for you. Just an indication that while >>> Jane homesteaded, once she owned her homestead, she might have moved >>> around, leaving her property in the hands of a tenant to farm. You might >>> check the homestead section to see who was living there in those census >>> years. And if she applied for support in 1951, and was turned down by >>> Ontario because of the lack of her birth certificate, is it possible she >>> was living in Ontario in one or more of the intervening census years? >>> >>> Beste, >>> Doris >>> >>> On Wed, Jul 18, 2018 at 5:27 PM, Thelma Hartman <mominmotion@shaw.ca> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Lars >>>> >>>> I will be about 2 hours away from Grande Prairie from August 4 to about >>>> August 12. If you can find out how I can access / copy the file let me know >>>> and I will make a side trip for you. >>>> >>>> All the best >>>> >>>> Thelma >>>> >>>> >>>> From: "Lars E. Oyane" <lars.e.oyane@sdsl.no> >>>> To: "norway@rootsweb.com norway@rootsweb.com" <norway@rootsweb.com> >>>> Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2018 1:52:00 PM >>>> Subject: [NOR] Barnes family - obituary and/or cemetery assistance Grande >>>> Prairie, AB 1973, please? >>>> >> ~~~~~~~~ >> >>>> Dear Listers, >>>> >>>> While the NORWAY list was down for so lang last spring, I sent an inquiry >>>> directly to several of you asking for help to trace my own great uncle, >>>> >>>> Ole Christian (Colbjornson) aka Christian C. BARNES >>>> born Apr. 10, 1873 in Norderhov Co., Buskerud, Norway >>>> emigrated in 1889 to join his mother Maren Gausta at Kennedy, Kittson Co., >>>> MN >>>> >>>> I later found out he must have moved about 1900 to Canada and married a >>>> 1st time to >>>> >>>> Jane NN (of Irish background) >>>> born about 1880/1883 in Ontario >>>> >>>> This marriage ended in a divorce, and >>>> Christian returned to the US remarrying at Britton, SD July 23, 1905 to >>>> >>>> Jarand/Joran OLSON >>>> born about 1873 in Norway >>>> They moved to a farm near Ross in Mountrail Co., ND, but >>>> Joran Barnes died Dec. 16, 1911 in Jamestown, ND >>>> >>>> In April of 1911 Christian Barnes moved again to Moose Jaw, SK from where >>>> he returned in Nov. 1911 over Eastport, ID heading for Seattle, WA. >>>> >>>> According to his WW1 draft record Christian was residing as a rancher at >>>> Poulsbo, WA, and his next-of-kin was «daughter Agnes Christianson» of >>>> Poulsbo, WA! >>>> >>>> Christian Barnes died at Conway, Skagit Co., WA on Oct. 15, 1932, and his >>>> obituary reads he had resided there «for more than 20 years». >>>> >>>> From his 2nd marriage Christian had three sons who were all in 1920 >>>> residing in an orphanage at Poulsbo, WA: >>>> >>>> * Magnus Barnes, born in Marshall Co., SD Sep. 29, 1905, had a heart >>>> disease and died single in Seattle, WA May 14, 1946 >>>> >>>> * Clarence Barnes, born in SD or ND about 1907, was 1930 in prison in >>>> Bismarck, ND, but lived in 1932 with father at Conway, WA - later destiny >>>> unknown >>>> >>>> * Rudolph Barnes, born in Mountrail Co., ND Mar. 20, 1909, died in >>>> Portland, OR June 30, 1973, possibly(?) single. >>>> >>>> Now back to Christian Barnes’ 1st marriage: I have reason to believe he >>>> must have lived with 1st wife Jane at Moose Jaw, SK, but about 1914 Jane >>>> took up a «homestead» in Section 27, Township 72 Range 4 near Kleskun >>>> Hill/Grande Prairie, AB where she resided in 1916 with her two daughters: >>>> >>>> * Jessie Barnes, born in SK about 1904 (re census, more likely about 1901) >>>> >>>> * Agnes Barnes, born in SK about 1907 (re census, more likely about 1904) >>>> - who must be identical to Christian’s daughter Agnes Christianson referred >>>> to in his WW1 draft record… >>>> >>>> Strangely enough I have never been able to find Jane or her daughters in >>>> any later Alberta censuses (1921 or 1926) although we know she was still >>>> residing at Kleskun Hill near Sexsmith and Grande Prairie, AB in 1951 when >>>> she applied for support money due to old age. This was declined since the >>>> Province of Ontario was unable to find a birth certificate for her to >>>> validate her age! >>>> >>>> However, today I have been in contact with the Probate record department >>>> at the Grande Prairie, AB courthouse, and they tell me they have an estate >>>> file for: >>>> >>>> Jane BARNES, died on June 24, 1973 >>>> >>>> However, there is NO WAY information can be obtained from this file >>>> without appearing in person at the courthouse or having someone appear on >>>> my behalf! >>>> >>>> Then I thought: >>>> >>>> ** Can an OBITUARY be located for Jane BARNES dying near Grande Prairie, >>>> AB June 24, 1973? >>>> >>>> ** Or can a GRAVE be located for Jane BARNES in a local cemetery? >>>> >>>> I would so much like to enter in contact with some survivor of this branch >>>> of my family, and I thank you all once more for any assistance you can give >>>> me in this matter! >>>> >>>> Very sincerely yours, >>>> >>>> Lars E. Oyane >>>> >>>> >

Dear Jostein and other Listers! I was just about to «hit the hay» after a long day of exciting research as your message arrived, Jostein! Thanks a million! I am sure you have found the «right» Agnes, and of course her OBITUARY would be a great document to see. Maybe I should try calling the Fort McMurray public library to ask for help, but it won't be till tomorrow…! Unless someone can come up with something in the meantime? Thanks again to all you wonderful listers! You’re indeed a great «gang» of excellent researchers! Very sincerely yours, Lars E. Oyane ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > On Jul 19, 2018, at 6:37 PM, Joe Aasland <jaasland@telus.net> wrote: > > > This looks like it could be Agnes. > > https://billiongraves.com/grave/Mary-Agnes-Graham-Funk/15690165 > > Jostein > > ~~~~~~~~ > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lars E. Oyane" <lars.e.oyane@sdsl.no> > To: norway@rootsweb.com > Cc: "Doris Waggoner" <waggonerdoris@gmail.com>, "Thelma Hartman" <mominmotion@shaw.ca>, "Don Angevine" <dangevin@megalink.net> > Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2018 5:00:06 PM > Subject: [NOR] Re: Barnes family - obituary and/or cemetery assistance Grande Prairie, AB 1973, please? > > Dear Thelma, Doris, Don and other Listers! > > Thank you very very much for your interesting and wonderful messages in regard to the Barnes family in Canada! I appreciate very much your willingness, Thelma, to make a trip to Grande Prairie, AB in August, but it may not be necessary, as you will see reading a little further down... > > I am very glad that you Don found a reference to the family in the 1921 census for Kleskun Hill, AB showing the family at that time: > > ** BARNES, Jane 38 QB QB QB > ** BARNES, Agnes 12 SK QB QB > > It sounds like Jessie is gone, or maybe she had died… > > I am kind of «stumped» with Agnes’ age. She was said to be 7 in 1916, and in 1921 she is 12, so born about 1908/1909. This means she must have been born while Christian Barnes was married and lived at Ross, ND. Looking at the map, the distance from Ross, ND to Moose Jaw, SK is about 200 miles, about the same as from Britton, SD to Ross, ND, and I guess he may very well have travelled that far for a summer season to make some extra money? Could it be our Christian lived a «double life» having two wives at the same time??? The fact that we can find no Jane Barnes with daughter Jessie in the 1906 census may confirm this theory, as she would then have been recorded under her maiden name..., but also Jane is nowhere to be found in 1911 either! Or could she have been temporarily in the US (Seattle, WA) with Christian thus «avoiding» the 1910 US census as well as the Canadian 1911 census?? > > We know for sure Christian did have a daughter Agnes (re: the WW1 draft), and who else can she have been?? > > Maybe we can get a little closer to an answer thanks to these great news: > > I called the Grande Prairie Public Library, and this evening I have received this wonderful obituary from «The Daily Herald Tribune» of Thursday December 14, 1972: > > «BARNES - Mrs. Jean Barnes passed away on December 9, 1972 at the Grande Prairie Hospital at the age of 90 years. Mrs. Barnes was born in Québec and has been a resident of the Grande Prairie and Sexsmith districts since 1914. She leaves to mourn her passing 1 daughter Mrs. Agnes Funk of Ft. McMurray, 3 granddaughters, 16 great grandchildren, 9 great great grandchildren. She was predeceased by her husband Roy Robertson in April 1963. > > Funeral services were held December 12, 1972 at 3 p.m. from the Oliver Funeral Chapel with Rev. C. Bigelow of Heiating. Intement followed in the Grande Prairie Cemetery. Arrangements were by the Oliver Funeral Home.» > > Now how about that? As it appears, no visit at Grand Prairie has to be made, and I can call the cemetery and even contact the funeral home to see what kind of information they have… Apparently the death date I was given at the courthouse wasn’t accurate, or it was for a different person. Now my next project will be to trace Agnes Funk of Ft. McMurray, and if we’re lucky, one of her daughters is still alive… Anyway Agnes’ death certificate would be a very interesting document to look at!! > > Thanks again for your great assistance in this matter! > > Very sincerely yours, > > Lars E. Oyane > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > >> On Jul 18, 2018, at 10:02 PM, Doris Waggoner <waggonerdoris@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Hi, Lars, >> >> This is a hard-to-trace family, which must be more frustrating since >> they're your own relatives! >> >> I think the homesteading laws were the same in Canada as in the US. Women >> could file for homestead claims on their own if they were unmarried. One of >> my great aunts filed in SD in 1907 because she was not yet married. Widows >> and divorced women were also eligible. American women were allowed to own >> property this way because the government was so eager to fill up the >> central part of the country. I am sure the same logic applied in Canada. >> >> My own mother was b. in SK in 1915, without a birth certificate. She had >> dual Canadian/US citizenship, because her parents were US citizens. When >> she turned 21, now living in the US, she dropped the Canadian citizenship >> so she could vote in US elections. In the 1950s she wanted to get a US >> passport to travel overseas, which took her a year. Fortunately, she got >> letters from two witnesses--the doctor who delivered her, and a sister of >> her mother's, who had been visiting when she was born. That wasn't enough >> to satisfy the passport office. Her father was a Norwegian immigrant, and a >> naturalized US citizen through his own father's naturalization. She >> ultimately had to have her father write to Oslo to get copies of *his* parents' >> marriage certificate, and his own birth records, to prove he was >> legitimate. After the year it had taken to find out what she needed to do, >> the Norwegians sent her the copies in two weeks! >> >> My mother's family moved to the US almost immediately after her birth (she >> was premature, but this is part of the story you only know after the fact, >> not by having the records), but later moved back into Canada off and on, >> until in 1929 they moved to the US permanently. >> >> Several times during the 1910s and 1920s, my father's family lived in >> Canada, including some time in Moose Jaw. Even today, those areas are all >> sparsely settled, as is Mountrail Co. ND and the whole NW corner of ND, >> where some of my mother's family still live. My g aunt who lived there had >> 3 daughters, who all married brothers, which tells you there weren't many >> people to pick from as marriage partners! >> >> So I don't have any specific info for you. Just an indication that while >> Jane homesteaded, once she owned her homestead, she might have moved >> around, leaving her property in the hands of a tenant to farm. You might >> check the homestead section to see who was living there in those census >> years. And if she applied for support in 1951, and was turned down by >> Ontario because of the lack of her birth certificate, is it possible she >> was living in Ontario in one or more of the intervening census years? >> >> Beste, >> Doris >> >> On Wed, Jul 18, 2018 at 5:27 PM, Thelma Hartman <mominmotion@shaw.ca> wrote: >> >>> Hi Lars >>> >>> I will be about 2 hours away from Grande Prairie from August 4 to about >>> August 12. If you can find out how I can access / copy the file let me know >>> and I will make a side trip for you. >>> >>> All the best >>> >>> Thelma >>> >>> >>> From: "Lars E. Oyane" <lars.e.oyane@sdsl.no> >>> To: "norway@rootsweb.com norway@rootsweb.com" <norway@rootsweb.com> >>> Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2018 1:52:00 PM >>> Subject: [NOR] Barnes family - obituary and/or cemetery assistance Grande >>> Prairie, AB 1973, please? >>> > ~~~~~~~~ > >>> Dear Listers, >>> >>> While the NORWAY list was down for so lang last spring, I sent an inquiry >>> directly to several of you asking for help to trace my own great uncle, >>> >>> Ole Christian (Colbjornson) aka Christian C. BARNES >>> born Apr. 10, 1873 in Norderhov Co., Buskerud, Norway >>> emigrated in 1889 to join his mother Maren Gausta at Kennedy, Kittson Co., >>> MN >>> >>> I later found out he must have moved about 1900 to Canada and married a >>> 1st time to >>> >>> Jane NN (of Irish background) >>> born about 1880/1883 in Ontario >>> >>> This marriage ended in a divorce, and >>> Christian returned to the US remarrying at Britton, SD July 23, 1905 to >>> >>> Jarand/Joran OLSON >>> born about 1873 in Norway >>> They moved to a farm near Ross in Mountrail Co., ND, but >>> Joran Barnes died Dec. 16, 1911 in Jamestown, ND >>> >>> In April of 1911 Christian Barnes moved again to Moose Jaw, SK from where >>> he returned in Nov. 1911 over Eastport, ID heading for Seattle, WA. >>> >>> According to his WW1 draft record Christian was residing as a rancher at >>> Poulsbo, WA, and his next-of-kin was «daughter Agnes Christianson» of >>> Poulsbo, WA! >>> >>> Christian Barnes died at Conway, Skagit Co., WA on Oct. 15, 1932, and his >>> obituary reads he had resided there «for more than 20 years». >>> >>> From his 2nd marriage Christian had three sons who were all in 1920 >>> residing in an orphanage at Poulsbo, WA: >>> >>> * Magnus Barnes, born in Marshall Co., SD Sep. 29, 1905, had a heart >>> disease and died single in Seattle, WA May 14, 1946 >>> >>> * Clarence Barnes, born in SD or ND about 1907, was 1930 in prison in >>> Bismarck, ND, but lived in 1932 with father at Conway, WA - later destiny >>> unknown >>> >>> * Rudolph Barnes, born in Mountrail Co., ND Mar. 20, 1909, died in >>> Portland, OR June 30, 1973, possibly(?) single. >>> >>> Now back to Christian Barnes’ 1st marriage: I have reason to believe he >>> must have lived with 1st wife Jane at Moose Jaw, SK, but about 1914 Jane >>> took up a «homestead» in Section 27, Township 72 Range 4 near Kleskun >>> Hill/Grande Prairie, AB where she resided in 1916 with her two daughters: >>> >>> * Jessie Barnes, born in SK about 1904 (re census, more likely about 1901) >>> >>> * Agnes Barnes, born in SK about 1907 (re census, more likely about 1904) >>> - who must be identical to Christian’s daughter Agnes Christianson referred >>> to in his WW1 draft record… >>> >>> Strangely enough I have never been able to find Jane or her daughters in >>> any later Alberta censuses (1921 or 1926) although we know she was still >>> residing at Kleskun Hill near Sexsmith and Grande Prairie, AB in 1951 when >>> she applied for support money due to old age. This was declined since the >>> Province of Ontario was unable to find a birth certificate for her to >>> validate her age! >>> >>> However, today I have been in contact with the Probate record department >>> at the Grande Prairie, AB courthouse, and they tell me they have an estate >>> file for: >>> >>> Jane BARNES, died on June 24, 1973 >>> >>> However, there is NO WAY information can be obtained from this file >>> without appearing in person at the courthouse or having someone appear on >>> my behalf! >>> >>> Then I thought: >>> >>> ** Can an OBITUARY be located for Jane BARNES dying near Grande Prairie, >>> AB June 24, 1973? >>> >>> ** Or can a GRAVE be located for Jane BARNES in a local cemetery? >>> >>> I would so much like to enter in contact with some survivor of this branch >>> of my family, and I thank you all once more for any assistance you can give >>> me in this matter! >>> >>> Very sincerely yours, >>> >>> Lars E. Oyane >>> >>>

This looks like it could be Agnes. https://billiongraves.com/grave/Mary-Agnes-Graham-Funk/15690165 Jostein ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lars E. Oyane" <lars.e.oyane@sdsl.no> To: norway@rootsweb.com Cc: "Doris Waggoner" <waggonerdoris@gmail.com>, "Thelma Hartman" <mominmotion@shaw.ca>, "Don Angevine" <dangevin@megalink.net> Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2018 5:00:06 PM Subject: [NOR] Re: Barnes family - obituary and/or cemetery assistance Grande Prairie, AB 1973, please? Dear Thelma, Doris, Don and other Listers! Thank you very very much for your interesting and wonderful messages in regard to the Barnes family in Canada! I appreciate very much your willingness, Thelma, to make a trip to Grande Prairie, AB in August, but it may not be necessary, as you will see reading a little further down... I am very glad that you Don found a reference to the family in the 1921 census for Kleskun Hill, AB showing the family at that time: ** BARNES, Jane 38 QB QB QB ** BARNES, Agnes 12 SK QB QB It sounds like Jessie is gone, or maybe she had died… I am kind of «stumped» with Agnes’ age. She was said to be 7 in 1916, and in 1921 she is 12, so born about 1908/1909. This means she must have been born while Christian Barnes was married and lived at Ross, ND. Looking at the map, the distance from Ross, ND to Moose Jaw, SK is about 200 miles, about the same as from Britton, SD to Ross, ND, and I guess he may very well have travelled that far for a summer season to make some extra money? Could it be our Christian lived a «double life» having two wives at the same time??? The fact that we can find no Jane Barnes with daughter Jessie in the 1906 census may confirm this theory, as she would then have been recorded under her maiden name..., but also Jane is nowhere to be found in 1911 either! Or could she have been temporarily in the US (Seattle, WA) with Christian thus «avoiding» the 1910 US census as well as the Canadian 1911 census?? We know for sure Christian did have a daughter Agnes (re: the WW1 draft), and who else can she have been?? Maybe we can get a little closer to an answer thanks to these great news: I called the Grande Prairie Public Library, and this evening I have received this wonderful obituary from «The Daily Herald Tribune» of Thursday December 14, 1972: «BARNES - Mrs. Jean Barnes passed away on December 9, 1972 at the Grande Prairie Hospital at the age of 90 years. Mrs. Barnes was born in Québec and has been a resident of the Grande Prairie and Sexsmith districts since 1914. She leaves to mourn her passing 1 daughter Mrs. Agnes Funk of Ft. McMurray, 3 granddaughters, 16 great grandchildren, 9 great great grandchildren. She was predeceased by her husband Roy Robertson in April 1963. Funeral services were held December 12, 1972 at 3 p.m. from the Oliver Funeral Chapel with Rev. C. Bigelow of Heiating. Intement followed in the Grande Prairie Cemetery. Arrangements were by the Oliver Funeral Home.» Now how about that? As it appears, no visit at Grand Prairie has to be made, and I can call the cemetery and even contact the funeral home to see what kind of information they have… Apparently the death date I was given at the courthouse wasn’t accurate, or it was for a different person. Now my next project will be to trace Agnes Funk of Ft. McMurray, and if we’re lucky, one of her daughters is still alive… Anyway Agnes’ death certificate would be a very interesting document to look at!! Thanks again for your great assistance in this matter! Very sincerely yours, Lars E. Oyane ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > On Jul 18, 2018, at 10:02 PM, Doris Waggoner <waggonerdoris@gmail.com> wrote: > > Hi, Lars, > > This is a hard-to-trace family, which must be more frustrating since > they're your own relatives! > > I think the homesteading laws were the same in Canada as in the US. Women > could file for homestead claims on their own if they were unmarried. One of > my great aunts filed in SD in 1907 because she was not yet married. Widows > and divorced women were also eligible. American women were allowed to own > property this way because the government was so eager to fill up the > central part of the country. I am sure the same logic applied in Canada. > > My own mother was b. in SK in 1915, without a birth certificate. She had > dual Canadian/US citizenship, because her parents were US citizens. When > she turned 21, now living in the US, she dropped the Canadian citizenship > so she could vote in US elections. In the 1950s she wanted to get a US > passport to travel overseas, which took her a year. Fortunately, she got > letters from two witnesses--the doctor who delivered her, and a sister of > her mother's, who had been visiting when she was born. That wasn't enough > to satisfy the passport office. Her father was a Norwegian immigrant, and a > naturalized US citizen through his own father's naturalization. She > ultimately had to have her father write to Oslo to get copies of *his* parents' > marriage certificate, and his own birth records, to prove he was > legitimate. After the year it had taken to find out what she needed to do, > the Norwegians sent her the copies in two weeks! > > My mother's family moved to the US almost immediately after her birth (she > was premature, but this is part of the story you only know after the fact, > not by having the records), but later moved back into Canada off and on, > until in 1929 they moved to the US permanently. > > Several times during the 1910s and 1920s, my father's family lived in > Canada, including some time in Moose Jaw. Even today, those areas are all > sparsely settled, as is Mountrail Co. ND and the whole NW corner of ND, > where some of my mother's family still live. My g aunt who lived there had > 3 daughters, who all married brothers, which tells you there weren't many > people to pick from as marriage partners! > > So I don't have any specific info for you. Just an indication that while > Jane homesteaded, once she owned her homestead, she might have moved > around, leaving her property in the hands of a tenant to farm. You might > check the homestead section to see who was living there in those census > years. And if she applied for support in 1951, and was turned down by > Ontario because of the lack of her birth certificate, is it possible she > was living in Ontario in one or more of the intervening census years? > > Beste, > Doris > > On Wed, Jul 18, 2018 at 5:27 PM, Thelma Hartman <mominmotion@shaw.ca> wrote: > >> Hi Lars >> >> I will be about 2 hours away from Grande Prairie from August 4 to about >> August 12. If you can find out how I can access / copy the file let me know >> and I will make a side trip for you. >> >> All the best >> >> Thelma >> >> >> From: "Lars E. Oyane" <lars.e.oyane@sdsl.no> >> To: "norway@rootsweb.com norway@rootsweb.com" <norway@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2018 1:52:00 PM >> Subject: [NOR] Barnes family - obituary and/or cemetery assistance Grande >> Prairie, AB 1973, please? >> ~~~~~~~~ >> Dear Listers, >> >> While the NORWAY list was down for so lang last spring, I sent an inquiry >> directly to several of you asking for help to trace my own great uncle, >> >> Ole Christian (Colbjornson) aka Christian C. BARNES >> born Apr. 10, 1873 in Norderhov Co., Buskerud, Norway >> emigrated in 1889 to join his mother Maren Gausta at Kennedy, Kittson Co., >> MN >> >> I later found out he must have moved about 1900 to Canada and married a >> 1st time to >> >> Jane NN (of Irish background) >> born about 1880/1883 in Ontario >> >> This marriage ended in a divorce, and >> Christian returned to the US remarrying at Britton, SD July 23, 1905 to >> >> Jarand/Joran OLSON >> born about 1873 in Norway >> They moved to a farm near Ross in Mountrail Co., ND, but >> Joran Barnes died Dec. 16, 1911 in Jamestown, ND >> >> In April of 1911 Christian Barnes moved again to Moose Jaw, SK from where >> he returned in Nov. 1911 over Eastport, ID heading for Seattle, WA. >> >> According to his WW1 draft record Christian was residing as a rancher at >> Poulsbo, WA, and his next-of-kin was «daughter Agnes Christianson» of >> Poulsbo, WA! >> >> Christian Barnes died at Conway, Skagit Co., WA on Oct. 15, 1932, and his >> obituary reads he had resided there «for more than 20 years». >> >> From his 2nd marriage Christian had three sons who were all in 1920 >> residing in an orphanage at Poulsbo, WA: >> >> * Magnus Barnes, born in Marshall Co., SD Sep. 29, 1905, had a heart >> disease and died single in Seattle, WA May 14, 1946 >> >> * Clarence Barnes, born in SD or ND about 1907, was 1930 in prison in >> Bismarck, ND, but lived in 1932 with father at Conway, WA - later destiny >> unknown >> >> * Rudolph Barnes, born in Mountrail Co., ND Mar. 20, 1909, died in >> Portland, OR June 30, 1973, possibly(?) single. >> >> Now back to Christian Barnes’ 1st marriage: I have reason to believe he >> must have lived with 1st wife Jane at Moose Jaw, SK, but about 1914 Jane >> took up a «homestead» in Section 27, Township 72 Range 4 near Kleskun >> Hill/Grande Prairie, AB where she resided in 1916 with her two daughters: >> >> * Jessie Barnes, born in SK about 1904 (re census, more likely about 1901) >> >> * Agnes Barnes, born in SK about 1907 (re census, more likely about 1904) >> - who must be identical to Christian’s daughter Agnes Christianson referred >> to in his WW1 draft record… >> >> Strangely enough I have never been able to find Jane or her daughters in >> any later Alberta censuses (1921 or 1926) although we know she was still >> residing at Kleskun Hill near Sexsmith and Grande Prairie, AB in 1951 when >> she applied for support money due to old age. This was declined since the >> Province of Ontario was unable to find a birth certificate for her to >> validate her age! >> >> However, today I have been in contact with the Probate record department >> at the Grande Prairie, AB courthouse, and they tell me they have an estate >> file for: >> >> Jane BARNES, died on June 24, 1973 >> >> However, there is NO WAY information can be obtained from this file >> without appearing in person at the courthouse or having someone appear on >> my behalf! >> >> Then I thought: >> >> ** Can an OBITUARY be located for Jane BARNES dying near Grande Prairie, >> AB June 24, 1973? >> >> ** Or can a GRAVE be located for Jane BARNES in a local cemetery? >> >> I would so much like to enter in contact with some survivor of this branch >> of my family, and I thank you all once more for any assistance you can give >> me in this matter! >> >> Very sincerely yours, >> >> Lars E. 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Dear Thelma, Doris, Don and other Listers! Thank you very very much for your interesting and wonderful messages in regard to the Barnes family in Canada! I appreciate very much your willingness, Thelma, to make a trip to Grande Prairie, AB in August, but it may not be necessary, as you will see reading a little further down... I am very glad that you Don found a reference to the family in the 1921 census for Kleskun Hill, AB showing the family at that time: ** BARNES, Jane 38 QB QB QB ** BARNES, Agnes 12 SK QB QB It sounds like Jessie is gone, or maybe she had died… I am kind of «stumped» with Agnes’ age. She was said to be 7 in 1916, and in 1921 she is 12, so born about 1908/1909. This means she must have been born while Christian Barnes was married and lived at Ross, ND. Looking at the map, the distance from Ross, ND to Moose Jaw, SK is about 200 miles, about the same as from Britton, SD to Ross, ND, and I guess he may very well have travelled that far for a summer season to make some extra money? Could it be our Christian lived a «double life» having two wives at the same time??? The fact that we can find no Jane Barnes with daughter Jessie in the 1906 census may confirm this theory, as she would then have been recorded under her maiden name..., but also Jane is nowhere to be found in 1911 either! Or could she have been temporarily in the US (Seattle, WA) with Christian thus «avoiding» the 1910 US census as well as the Canadian 1911 census?? We know for sure Christian did have a daughter Agnes (re: the WW1 draft), and who else can she have been?? Maybe we can get a little closer to an answer thanks to these great news: I called the Grande Prairie Public Library, and this evening I have received this wonderful obituary from «The Daily Herald Tribune» of Thursday December 14, 1972: «BARNES - Mrs. Jean Barnes passed away on December 9, 1972 at the Grande Prairie Hospital at the age of 90 years. Mrs. Barnes was born in Québec and has been a resident of the Grande Prairie and Sexsmith districts since 1914. She leaves to mourn her passing 1 daughter Mrs. Agnes Funk of Ft. McMurray, 3 granddaughters, 16 great grandchildren, 9 great great grandchildren. She was predeceased by her husband Roy Robertson in April 1963. Funeral services were held December 12, 1972 at 3 p.m. from the Oliver Funeral Chapel with Rev. C. Bigelow of Heiating. Intement followed in the Grande Prairie Cemetery. Arrangements were by the Oliver Funeral Home.» Now how about that? As it appears, no visit at Grand Prairie has to be made, and I can call the cemetery and even contact the funeral home to see what kind of information they have… Apparently the death date I was given at the courthouse wasn’t accurate, or it was for a different person. Now my next project will be to trace Agnes Funk of Ft. McMurray, and if we’re lucky, one of her daughters is still alive… Anyway Agnes’ death certificate would be a very interesting document to look at!! Thanks again for your great assistance in this matter! Very sincerely yours, Lars E. Oyane ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > On Jul 18, 2018, at 10:02 PM, Doris Waggoner <waggonerdoris@gmail.com> wrote: > > Hi, Lars, > > This is a hard-to-trace family, which must be more frustrating since > they're your own relatives! > > I think the homesteading laws were the same in Canada as in the US. Women > could file for homestead claims on their own if they were unmarried. One of > my great aunts filed in SD in 1907 because she was not yet married. Widows > and divorced women were also eligible. American women were allowed to own > property this way because the government was so eager to fill up the > central part of the country. I am sure the same logic applied in Canada. > > My own mother was b. in SK in 1915, without a birth certificate. She had > dual Canadian/US citizenship, because her parents were US citizens. When > she turned 21, now living in the US, she dropped the Canadian citizenship > so she could vote in US elections. In the 1950s she wanted to get a US > passport to travel overseas, which took her a year. Fortunately, she got > letters from two witnesses--the doctor who delivered her, and a sister of > her mother's, who had been visiting when she was born. That wasn't enough > to satisfy the passport office. Her father was a Norwegian immigrant, and a > naturalized US citizen through his own father's naturalization. She > ultimately had to have her father write to Oslo to get copies of *his* parents' > marriage certificate, and his own birth records, to prove he was > legitimate. After the year it had taken to find out what she needed to do, > the Norwegians sent her the copies in two weeks! > > My mother's family moved to the US almost immediately after her birth (she > was premature, but this is part of the story you only know after the fact, > not by having the records), but later moved back into Canada off and on, > until in 1929 they moved to the US permanently. > > Several times during the 1910s and 1920s, my father's family lived in > Canada, including some time in Moose Jaw. Even today, those areas are all > sparsely settled, as is Mountrail Co. ND and the whole NW corner of ND, > where some of my mother's family still live. My g aunt who lived there had > 3 daughters, who all married brothers, which tells you there weren't many > people to pick from as marriage partners! > > So I don't have any specific info for you. Just an indication that while > Jane homesteaded, once she owned her homestead, she might have moved > around, leaving her property in the hands of a tenant to farm. You might > check the homestead section to see who was living there in those census > years. And if she applied for support in 1951, and was turned down by > Ontario because of the lack of her birth certificate, is it possible she > was living in Ontario in one or more of the intervening census years? > > Beste, > Doris > > On Wed, Jul 18, 2018 at 5:27 PM, Thelma Hartman <mominmotion@shaw.ca> wrote: > >> Hi Lars >> >> I will be about 2 hours away from Grande Prairie from August 4 to about >> August 12. If you can find out how I can access / copy the file let me know >> and I will make a side trip for you. >> >> All the best >> >> Thelma >> >> >> From: "Lars E. Oyane" <lars.e.oyane@sdsl.no> >> To: "norway@rootsweb.com norway@rootsweb.com" <norway@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2018 1:52:00 PM >> Subject: [NOR] Barnes family - obituary and/or cemetery assistance Grande >> Prairie, AB 1973, please? >> ~~~~~~~~ >> Dear Listers, >> >> While the NORWAY list was down for so lang last spring, I sent an inquiry >> directly to several of you asking for help to trace my own great uncle, >> >> Ole Christian (Colbjornson) aka Christian C. BARNES >> born Apr. 10, 1873 in Norderhov Co., Buskerud, Norway >> emigrated in 1889 to join his mother Maren Gausta at Kennedy, Kittson Co., >> MN >> >> I later found out he must have moved about 1900 to Canada and married a >> 1st time to >> >> Jane NN (of Irish background) >> born about 1880/1883 in Ontario >> >> This marriage ended in a divorce, and >> Christian returned to the US remarrying at Britton, SD July 23, 1905 to >> >> Jarand/Joran OLSON >> born about 1873 in Norway >> They moved to a farm near Ross in Mountrail Co., ND, but >> Joran Barnes died Dec. 16, 1911 in Jamestown, ND >> >> In April of 1911 Christian Barnes moved again to Moose Jaw, SK from where >> he returned in Nov. 1911 over Eastport, ID heading for Seattle, WA. >> >> According to his WW1 draft record Christian was residing as a rancher at >> Poulsbo, WA, and his next-of-kin was «daughter Agnes Christianson» of >> Poulsbo, WA! >> >> Christian Barnes died at Conway, Skagit Co., WA on Oct. 15, 1932, and his >> obituary reads he had resided there «for more than 20 years». >> >> From his 2nd marriage Christian had three sons who were all in 1920 >> residing in an orphanage at Poulsbo, WA: >> >> * Magnus Barnes, born in Marshall Co., SD Sep. 29, 1905, had a heart >> disease and died single in Seattle, WA May 14, 1946 >> >> * Clarence Barnes, born in SD or ND about 1907, was 1930 in prison in >> Bismarck, ND, but lived in 1932 with father at Conway, WA - later destiny >> unknown >> >> * Rudolph Barnes, born in Mountrail Co., ND Mar. 20, 1909, died in >> Portland, OR June 30, 1973, possibly(?) single. >> >> Now back to Christian Barnes’ 1st marriage: I have reason to believe he >> must have lived with 1st wife Jane at Moose Jaw, SK, but about 1914 Jane >> took up a «homestead» in Section 27, Township 72 Range 4 near Kleskun >> Hill/Grande Prairie, AB where she resided in 1916 with her two daughters: >> >> * Jessie Barnes, born in SK about 1904 (re census, more likely about 1901) >> >> * Agnes Barnes, born in SK about 1907 (re census, more likely about 1904) >> - who must be identical to Christian’s daughter Agnes Christianson referred >> to in his WW1 draft record… >> >> Strangely enough I have never been able to find Jane or her daughters in >> any later Alberta censuses (1921 or 1926) although we know she was still >> residing at Kleskun Hill near Sexsmith and Grande Prairie, AB in 1951 when >> she applied for support money due to old age. This was declined since the >> Province of Ontario was unable to find a birth certificate for her to >> validate her age! >> >> However, today I have been in contact with the Probate record department >> at the Grande Prairie, AB courthouse, and they tell me they have an estate >> file for: >> >> Jane BARNES, died on June 24, 1973 >> >> However, there is NO WAY information can be obtained from this file >> without appearing in person at the courthouse or having someone appear on >> my behalf! >> >> Then I thought: >> >> ** Can an OBITUARY be located for Jane BARNES dying near Grande Prairie, >> AB June 24, 1973? >> >> ** Or can a GRAVE be located for Jane BARNES in a local cemetery? >> >> I would so much like to enter in contact with some survivor of this branch >> of my family, and I thank you all once more for any assistance you can give >> me in this matter! >> >> Very sincerely yours, >> >> Lars E. Oyane >> >>

Hi, Lars, This is a hard-to-trace family, which must be more frustrating since they're your own relatives! I think the homesteading laws were the same in Canada as in the US. Women could file for homestead claims on their own if they were unmarried. One of my great aunts filed in SD in 1907 because she was not yet married. Widows and divorced women were also eligible. American women were allowed to own property this way because the government was so eager to fill up the central part of the country. I am sure the same logic applied in Canada. My own mother was b. in SK in 1915, without a birth certificate. She had dual Canadian/US citizenship, because her parents were US citizens. When she turned 21, now living in the US, she dropped the Canadian citizenship so she could vote in US elections. In the 1950s she wanted to get a US passport to travel overseas, which took her a year. Fortunately, she got letters from two witnesses--the doctor who delivered her, and a sister of her mother's, who had been visiting when she was born. That wasn't enough to satisfy the passport office. Her father was a Norwegian immigrant, and a naturalized US citizen through his own father's naturalization. She ultimately had to have her father write to Oslo to get copies of *his* parents' marriage certificate, and his own birth records, to prove he was legitimate. After the year it had taken to find out what she needed to do, the Norwegians sent her the copies in two weeks! My mother's family moved to the US almost immediately after her birth (she was premature, but this is part of the story you only know after the fact, not by having the records), but later moved back into Canada off and on, until in 1929 they moved to the US permanently. Several times during the 1910s and 1920s, my father's family lived in Canada, including some time in Moose Jaw. Even today, those areas are all sparsely settled, as is Mountrail Co. ND and the whole NW corner of ND, where some of my mother's family still live. My g aunt who lived there had 3 daughters, who all married brothers, which tells you there weren't many people to pick from as marriage partners! So I don't have any specific info for you. Just an indication that while Jane homesteaded, once she owned her homestead, she might have moved around, leaving her property in the hands of a tenant to farm. You might check the homestead section to see who was living there in those census years. And if she applied for support in 1951, and was turned down by Ontario because of the lack of her birth certificate, is it possible she was living in Ontario in one or more of the intervening census years? Beste, Doris On Wed, Jul 18, 2018 at 5:27 PM, Thelma Hartman <mominmotion@shaw.ca> wrote: > Hi Lars > > I will be about 2 hours away from Grande Prairie from August 4 to about > August 12. If you can find out how I can access / copy the file let me know > and I will make a side trip for you. > > All the best > > Thelma > > > From: "Lars E. Oyane" <lars.e.oyane@sdsl.no> > To: "norway@rootsweb.com norway@rootsweb.com" <norway@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2018 1:52:00 PM > Subject: [NOR] Barnes family - obituary and/or cemetery assistance Grande > Prairie, AB 1973, please? > > Dear Listers, > > While the NORWAY list was down for so lang last spring, I sent an inquiry > directly to several of you asking for help to trace my own great uncle, > > Ole Christian (Colbjornson) aka Christian C. BARNES > born Apr. 10, 1873 in Norderhov Co., Buskerud, Norway > emigrated in 1889 to join his mother Maren Gausta at Kennedy, Kittson Co., > MN > > I later found out he must have moved about 1900 to Canada and married a > 1st time to > > Jane NN (of Irish background) > born about 1880/1883 in Ontario > > This marriage ended in a divorce, and > Christian returned to the US remarrying at Britton, SD July 23, 1905 to > > Jarand/Joran OLSON > born about 1873 in Norway > They moved to a farm near Ross in Mountrail Co., ND, but > Joran Barnes died Dec. 16, 1911 in Jamestown, ND > > In April of 1911 Christian Barnes moved again to Moose Jaw, SK from where > he returned in Nov. 1911 over Eastport, ID heading for Seattle, WA. > > According to his WW1 draft record Christian was residing as a rancher at > Poulsbo, WA, and his next-of-kin was «daughter Agnes Christianson» of > Poulsbo, WA! > > Christian Barnes died at Conway, Skagit Co., WA on Oct. 15, 1932, and his > obituary reads he had resided there «for more than 20 years». > > From his 2nd marriage Christian had three sons who were all in 1920 > residing in an orphanage at Poulsbo, WA: > > * Magnus Barnes, born in Marshall Co., SD Sep. 29, 1905, had a heart > disease and died single in Seattle, WA May 14, 1946 > > * Clarence Barnes, born in SD or ND about 1907, was 1930 in prison in > Bismarck, ND, but lived in 1932 with father at Conway, WA - later destiny > unknown > > * Rudolph Barnes, born in Mountrail Co., ND Mar. 20, 1909, died in > Portland, OR June 30, 1973, possibly(?) single. > > Now back to Christian Barnes’ 1st marriage: I have reason to believe he > must have lived with 1st wife Jane at Moose Jaw, SK, but about 1914 Jane > took up a «homestead» in Section 27, Township 72 Range 4 near Kleskun > Hill/Grande Prairie, AB where she resided in 1916 with her two daughters: > > * Jessie Barnes, born in SK about 1904 (re census, more likely about 1901) > > * Agnes Barnes, born in SK about 1907 (re census, more likely about 1904) > - who must be identical to Christian’s daughter Agnes Christianson referred > to in his WW1 draft record… > > Strangely enough I have never been able to find Jane or her daughters in > any later Alberta censuses (1921 or 1926) although we know she was still > residing at Kleskun Hill near Sexsmith and Grande Prairie, AB in 1951 when > she applied for support money due to old age. This was declined since the > Province of Ontario was unable to find a birth certificate for her to > validate her age! > > However, today I have been in contact with the Probate record department > at the Grande Prairie, AB courthouse, and they tell me they have an estate > file for: > > Jane BARNES, died on June 24, 1973 > > However, there is NO WAY information can be obtained from this file > without appearing in person at the courthouse or having someone appear on > my behalf! > > Then I thought: > > ** Can an OBITUARY be located for Jane BARNES dying near Grande Prairie, > AB June 24, 1973? > > ** Or can a GRAVE be located for Jane BARNES in a local cemetery? > > I would so much like to enter in contact with some survivor of this branch > of my family, and I thank you all once more for any assistance you can give > me in this matter! > > Very sincerely yours, > > Lars E. 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Hi Lars I will be about 2 hours away from Grande Prairie from August 4 to about August 12. If you can find out how I can access / copy the file let me know and I will make a side trip for you. All the best Thelma From: "Lars E. Oyane" <lars.e.oyane@sdsl.no> To: "norway@rootsweb.com norway@rootsweb.com" <norway@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2018 1:52:00 PM Subject: [NOR] Barnes family - obituary and/or cemetery assistance Grande Prairie, AB 1973, please? Dear Listers, While the NORWAY list was down for so lang last spring, I sent an inquiry directly to several of you asking for help to trace my own great uncle, Ole Christian (Colbjornson) aka Christian C. BARNES born Apr. 10, 1873 in Norderhov Co., Buskerud, Norway emigrated in 1889 to join his mother Maren Gausta at Kennedy, Kittson Co., MN I later found out he must have moved about 1900 to Canada and married a 1st time to Jane NN (of Irish background) born about 1880/1883 in Ontario This marriage ended in a divorce, and Christian returned to the US remarrying at Britton, SD July 23, 1905 to Jarand/Joran OLSON born about 1873 in Norway They moved to a farm near Ross in Mountrail Co., ND, but Joran Barnes died Dec. 16, 1911 in Jamestown, ND In April of 1911 Christian Barnes moved again to Moose Jaw, SK from where he returned in Nov. 1911 over Eastport, ID heading for Seattle, WA. According to his WW1 draft record Christian was residing as a rancher at Poulsbo, WA, and his next-of-kin was «daughter Agnes Christianson» of Poulsbo, WA! Christian Barnes died at Conway, Skagit Co., WA on Oct. 15, 1932, and his obituary reads he had resided there «for more than 20 years». From his 2nd marriage Christian had three sons who were all in 1920 residing in an orphanage at Poulsbo, WA: * Magnus Barnes, born in Marshall Co., SD Sep. 29, 1905, had a heart disease and died single in Seattle, WA May 14, 1946 * Clarence Barnes, born in SD or ND about 1907, was 1930 in prison in Bismarck, ND, but lived in 1932 with father at Conway, WA - later destiny unknown * Rudolph Barnes, born in Mountrail Co., ND Mar. 20, 1909, died in Portland, OR June 30, 1973, possibly(?) single. Now back to Christian Barnes’ 1st marriage: I have reason to believe he must have lived with 1st wife Jane at Moose Jaw, SK, but about 1914 Jane took up a «homestead» in Section 27, Township 72 Range 4 near Kleskun Hill/Grande Prairie, AB where she resided in 1916 with her two daughters: * Jessie Barnes, born in SK about 1904 (re census, more likely about 1901) * Agnes Barnes, born in SK about 1907 (re census, more likely about 1904) - who must be identical to Christian’s daughter Agnes Christianson referred to in his WW1 draft record… Strangely enough I have never been able to find Jane or her daughters in any later Alberta censuses (1921 or 1926) although we know she was still residing at Kleskun Hill near Sexsmith and Grande Prairie, AB in 1951 when she applied for support money due to old age. This was declined since the Province of Ontario was unable to find a birth certificate for her to validate her age! However, today I have been in contact with the Probate record department at the Grande Prairie, AB courthouse, and they tell me they have an estate file for: Jane BARNES, died on June 24, 1973 However, there is NO WAY information can be obtained from this file without appearing in person at the courthouse or having someone appear on my behalf! Then I thought: ** Can an OBITUARY be located for Jane BARNES dying near Grande Prairie, AB June 24, 1973? ** Or can a GRAVE be located for Jane BARNES in a local cemetery? I would so much like to enter in contact with some survivor of this branch of my family, and I thank you all once more for any assistance you can give me in this matter! Very sincerely yours, Lars E. Oyane _______________________________________________ Norwaylist Archiveshttp://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index?list=norway RESUBSCRIBE UNSUB http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/NOR/NORWAY.html guidelines http://www.rootsweb.com/~norway/guidelines.htm _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe and Archives https://mailinglists.rootsweb.com/listindexes/search/norway Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Dear Listers, While the NORWAY list was down for so lang last spring, I sent an inquiry directly to several of you asking for help to trace my own great uncle, Ole Christian (Colbjornson) aka Christian C. BARNES born Apr. 10, 1873 in Norderhov Co., Buskerud, Norway emigrated in 1889 to join his mother Maren Gausta at Kennedy, Kittson Co., MN I later found out he must have moved about 1900 to Canada and married a 1st time to Jane NN (of Irish background) born about 1880/1883 in Ontario This marriage ended in a divorce, and Christian returned to the US remarrying at Britton, SD July 23, 1905 to Jarand/Joran OLSON born about 1873 in Norway They moved to a farm near Ross in Mountrail Co., ND, but Joran Barnes died Dec. 16, 1911 in Jamestown, ND In April of 1911 Christian Barnes moved again to Moose Jaw, SK from where he returned in Nov. 1911 over Eastport, ID heading for Seattle, WA. According to his WW1 draft record Christian was residing as a rancher at Poulsbo, WA, and his next-of-kin was «daughter Agnes Christianson» of Poulsbo, WA! Christian Barnes died at Conway, Skagit Co., WA on Oct. 15, 1932, and his obituary reads he had resided there «for more than 20 years». From his 2nd marriage Christian had three sons who were all in 1920 residing in an orphanage at Poulsbo, WA: * Magnus Barnes, born in Marshall Co., SD Sep. 29, 1905, had a heart disease and died single in Seattle, WA May 14, 1946 * Clarence Barnes, born in SD or ND about 1907, was 1930 in prison in Bismarck, ND, but lived in 1932 with father at Conway, WA - later destiny unknown * Rudolph Barnes, born in Mountrail Co., ND Mar. 20, 1909, died in Portland, OR June 30, 1973, possibly(?) single. Now back to Christian Barnes’ 1st marriage: I have reason to believe he must have lived with 1st wife Jane at Moose Jaw, SK, but about 1914 Jane took up a «homestead» in Section 27, Township 72 Range 4 near Kleskun Hill/Grande Prairie, AB where she resided in 1916 with her two daughters: * Jessie Barnes, born in SK about 1904 (re census, more likely about 1901) * Agnes Barnes, born in SK about 1907 (re census, more likely about 1904) - who must be identical to Christian’s daughter Agnes Christianson referred to in his WW1 draft record… Strangely enough I have never been able to find Jane or her daughters in any later Alberta censuses (1921 or 1926) although we know she was still residing at Kleskun Hill near Sexsmith and Grande Prairie, AB in 1951 when she applied for support money due to old age. This was declined since the Province of Ontario was unable to find a birth certificate for her to validate her age! However, today I have been in contact with the Probate record department at the Grande Prairie, AB courthouse, and they tell me they have an estate file for: Jane BARNES, died on June 24, 1973 However, there is NO WAY information can be obtained from this file without appearing in person at the courthouse or having someone appear on my behalf! Then I thought: ** Can an OBITUARY be located for Jane BARNES dying near Grande Prairie, AB June 24, 1973? ** Or can a GRAVE be located for Jane BARNES in a local cemetery? I would so much like to enter in contact with some survivor of this branch of my family, and I thank you all once more for any assistance you can give me in this matter! Very sincerely yours, Lars E. Oyane