You might check here: Www.theusgenweb.org/nd/traill/biographies There is a longer biography of Mr. Skrivseth. There might be other helpful information on that site as well. Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone -------- Original message --------From: Erik Hov <gj_erov7@bbnett.no> Date: 7/24/18 9:12 PM (GMT-06:00) To: norway@rootsweb.com Subject: [NOR] Re: Photographer in Hillsboro, ND.... Interesting!. The wife of one of Torger Torgerson`s descendants actually worked for Hillsboro Banner!. Guess Skrivseth built the new store on the same address as the one who burned?. Is it known if it exist any records from Skrivseth about those 100000 photos??? Such as indexes in books ,names etc.....? That would be great!! Where I live in Norway we are lucky to have some books from some of the photographers sorted by name and number..... -----Opprinnelig melding----- Fra: mgunderson [mailto:mgunderson@gra.midco.net] Sendt: 25. juli 2018 03:54 Til: Gregory Holter <waxlerfarms@frontier.com>; norway@rootsweb.com Emne: [NOR] Re: Photographer in Hillsboro, ND.... From the Traill County History book, Vol. 1, page 178 Hillsboro's early day photographer was J.L. Skrivseth. Born in Noway, he came to America and like many folks at that time he gradually worked his way west, coming to Fargo in 1878 and later moved his studio to Buxton for a year and a half before coming to Hillsboro in 1882.Here he built his own photographic studio, a two-story frame building which was destroyed by fire. He replaced that with a two-story brick building, which became the home of the Hillsboro Banner.Mr. Skrivseth, in the period from 1886 to 1902, delivered 100,000 photographs to his large clientele. Marsha Gunderson _______________________________________________ Norwaylist Archiveshttp://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index?list=norway RESUBSCRIBE UNSUB http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/NOR/NORWAY.html guidelines http://www.rootsweb.com/~norway/guidelines.htm _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe and Archives https://mailinglists.rootsweb.com/listindexes/search/norway Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY  Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Interesting!. The wife of one of Torger Torgerson`s descendants actually worked for Hillsboro Banner!. Guess Skrivseth built the new store on the same address as the one who burned?. Is it known if it exist any records from Skrivseth about those 100000 photos??? Such as indexes in books ,names etc.....? That would be great!! Where I live in Norway we are lucky to have some books from some of the photographers sorted by name and number..... -----Opprinnelig melding----- Fra: mgunderson [mailto:mgunderson@gra.midco.net] Sendt: 25. juli 2018 03:54 Til: Gregory Holter <waxlerfarms@frontier.com>; norway@rootsweb.com Emne: [NOR] Re: Photographer in Hillsboro, ND.... From the Traill County History book, Vol. 1, page 178 Hillsboro's early day photographer was J.L. Skrivseth. Born in Noway, he came to America and like many folks at that time he gradually worked his way west, coming to Fargo in 1878 and later moved his studio to Buxton for a year and a half before coming to Hillsboro in 1882.Here he built his own photographic studio, a two-story frame building which was destroyed by fire. He replaced that with a two-story brick building, which became the home of the Hillsboro Banner.Mr. Skrivseth, in the period from 1886 to 1902, delivered 100,000 photographs to his large clientele. Marsha Gunderson

My picture is of an old man ,probably in his 80s ,taken by Skrivseth in his Hillsboro studio. I don`t think any living person will be able to identify the man now ,unless some archive has that photo already identified. Would be interesting to know how the greatgrandson identified it to possibly be Torger Torgerson (1806-ca 1890) ,but he died a few years ago ,so can`t ask anymore. Have tried to find out when Torger died ,or is buried ,but haven’t had any luck ,and he is not on findagrave although his 3 sons and 3 daughters are. Two sons were in Hillsboro ,but only one of them has living descendants ,and they are mainly in MN and WI and other states. The grandson Torger Thompson born 1863 which Torger Torgerson emigrated together with in 1885 was married somewhere in North Dakota and lived in the Hillsboro area (I think) until he moved with his family to Bemidji ,MN 1918. I haven`t been able to find out where he married ,but must have been around 1887-1888. When it comes to the Ronningen/Ronning name that Clark mentioned ,the family didn`t use it in America ,but took Torgerson instead. Berthe Torgersdatter Ronningen`s sister Ingeborg is also mentioned as Ingeborg Ronning somewhere. -----Opprinnelig melding----- Fra: Bev Anderson [mailto:bevsbibelots@brainerd.net] Sendt: 25. juli 2018 02:47 Til: norway@rootsweb.com Emne: [NOR] Re: Photographer in Hillsboro, ND.... I was helped enormously by this list about an old photo of my Norwegian gr-grandparents, possibly (probably) a wedding photo. The consensus was that it was a charcoal photo (long process involved), and I inherited the very large portrait photo of them as a couple from my mother. They were married in the Caledonia Lutheran Church, Caledonia, Traill County, Dakota Territory in April 1885, and were at their land grant homestead in Polk County, Minnesota before the end of the month when they appeared in the 1885 Minnesota State census. While the timeline puts Skrivseth in Hillsboro when they got married, I've no idea who took their portrait since no name is on the photo. To add to what Greg wrote, more reference info: Traill County Archives http://www.usgwarchives.net/nd/traill/traill.htm NDGenWeb Traill Co., ND http://theusgenweb.org/nd/traill/mainpage.htm Scroll down, and you will see a marriage index. I found my gr-grandparents in that index (both under alternate spellings) after I found out the name she used in the Norwegian emigration record when she arrived in 1883 with her future mother-in-law, sis-in-law, and bro-in-law. My gr-grandfather and his father had arrived in Norman Co., MN in 1882, different months. [To confuse the issue, by then half the farm in Norway had been sold out of the family to someone not related, they used the same name, and he had married in Norway, worked in Chicago, went back to Norway, came back with his family to Traill Co., ND, and his first name was the same as my gr-grandfather's albeit their ages and birth dates were different.] I phoned the courthouse in Traill Co back then, and when I told them I didn't want a certified copy but a photocopy of the original, the clerk I spoke with apologized for having to charge me the full fee, but someone did notarize the copy on the bottom portion of the page where nothing could interfere with the top part I was interested in and they sent it to me. I didn't care about the price then; I thought they had been married in Norman Co and couldn't find the marriage record, so I was deliriously happy to have found the record across the river in Traill Co. Hillsboro had been my gr-grandmother's stated destination in the Digitalarkivet emigration record, so that's why I'd checked the Traill Co indices in the first place. It had only been online less than a month when I found the record. Beste, Bev

That would be great ,hope you find something!. I have also seen the name Ronningen been written Ronning in the family that emigrated to America. My relative was Berthe Maria Torgersdatter Rønningen/Rønning born 1835 in Torpa, Nordre Land who emigrated to America in 1857 and married shortly after to Andreas Johannesen Sorum born 1833. They lived at first in (probably Waukon area?) ,Allamakee County ,Iowa ,and then moving in the 1870s to Hillsboro, ND. It is Berthe`s father Torger Torgersen Aure/Rønningen born 1806 that I believe is pictured on the picture taken by Skrivseth. I can`t be sure though ,since it might be Andreas father Johannes Ostensen Sorum 1799-1882 as well. I believe it is Torger since the picture is taken in Hillsboro where Torger lived while Johannes lived and is buried in Waukon ,Iowa. I don`t think Johannes would have gone to Hillsboro to take a picture of himself at Skrivseth in 1882 even if his son Andreas lived there.....(Johannes died in October 1882 (haven`t confirmed if he died in Waukon or Hillsboro). Not sure when Skrivseth started in Hillsboro in 1882 ,but if Johannes took a picture there in 1882 it had to be before October. Johannes wife Marit Hansdatter died in 1892 ,and I guess she also would have got a picture taken too since she was still alive in 1892. A link to Johannes burial: https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/38775926/johannes-ostenson-sorum I have looked through findagrave for Torger Torgerson ,but haven`t found him. He shall have died sometime 1890-1895 ,but apparently the lack of churchrecords for the area makes it impossible to find the exact date ,and the 1890 census is probably destroyed. Torger did emigrate together with his grandson in 1885 ,but it was after the 1885 census was taken ,so none of them are in that census either. -----Opprinnelig melding----- Fra: Clark Pederson [mailto:repete009@gol.com] Sendt: 25. juli 2018 03:23 Til: norway@rootsweb.com; Erik Hov <gj_erov7@bbnett.no> Emne: [NOR] Re: Photographer in Hillsboro, ND.... Hei Erik, I have Hillsboro, North Dakota - The First Hundred Years. It isn't indexed; so give me some time to browse through it and make copies of any pages that might be of interest to you. I do know that the Ronningen name was shortened to Ronning by some..... Have a nice day! Clark in Japan On 25-Jul-18 7:34 AM, Erik Hov wrote: > Thanks!. Took a look at both links Annette provided ,and got a bit > more info!. > Looks like he operated in Hillsboro 1882 to 1896 ,but don`t seem to be > said if he was on the "Cor. City Hall Block address all the time. > Gregory mentioned the Traill County history book....does anyone have > it? If not ,I can contact Traill County historical society!. > > Erik > > -----Opprinnelig melding----- > Fra: Annette Bowen [mailto:annette.bowen@gmail.com] > Sendt: 25. juli 2018 00:16 > Til: norway <norway@rootsweb.com> > Emne: [NOR] Re: Photographer in Hillsboro, ND.... > > Google works well for this type of question. From > http://www.langdonroad.com/si-to-smi > > SKRIVSETH, J. L. > > Skrivseth, J. L., photographer, Hillsboro, Dak.[ota] (1890s-1905) cab > image; J. L. Skrivseth, Studio, City Hall Block, Hillsboro, D.[akota] > T.[erritory] (1890s-1905) dates on back b 1879 died Oct 1894, cab > image > > This site gives more information. > https://library.ndsu.edu/exhibits/photographers/biography/skrivseth.ht > ml > > Annette > > _______________________________________________ > Norwaylist Archiveshttp://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index?list=norway > > RESUBSCRIBE UNSUB > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/NOR/NORWAY.html > > guidelines http://www.rootsweb.com/~norway/guidelines.htm > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe and Archives > https://mailinglists.rootsweb.com/listindexes/search/norway > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal > RootsWeb community > --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus _______________________________________________ Norwaylist Archiveshttp://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index?list=norway RESUBSCRIBE UNSUB http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/NOR/NORWAY.html guidelines http://www.rootsweb.com/~norway/guidelines.htm _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe and Archives https://mailinglists.rootsweb.com/listindexes/search/norway Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

From the Traill County History book, Vol. 1, page 178 Hillsboro's early day photographer was J.L. Skrivseth. Born in Noway, he came to America and like many folks at that time he gradually worked his way west, coming to Fargo in 1878 and later moved his studio to Buxton for a year and a half before coming to Hillsboro in 1882.Here he built his own photographic studio, a two-story frame building which was destroyed by fire. He replaced that with a two-story brick building, which became the home of the Hillsboro Banner.Mr. Skrivseth, in the period from 1886 to 1902, delivered 100,000 photographs to his large clientele. Marsha Gunderson Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone -------- Original message --------From: Gregory Holter <waxlerfarms@frontier.com> Date: 7/24/18 5:22 PM (GMT-06:00) To: norway@rootsweb.com Subject: [NOR] Re: Photographer in Hillsboro, ND.... Erik, From the information in the link you provided, it looks like he moved back to Fargo around October 1896 so it seems like he was in operation in Hillsboro from 1882 to late 1896.  There may be additional information available in the Traill County history book but I don't have a copy of that.  You could contact the Traill County Historical Society at:  http://www.co.traill.nd.us/departments/historical-society Greg Holter       From: Erik Hov <gj_erov7@bbnett.no> To: Norway List <norway@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2018 11:56 AM Subject: [NOR] Photographer in Hillsboro, ND....    Maybe off topic ,but wonder if anyone know something about a photo taken in Hillsboro, ND. I only have a copy of it ,not the original. The photo must be from 1880 or 1890s. Not sure what`s on the back of it ,but the front says that it is taken by "Skrivseth" at "Cor. City Hall Block ,Hillsboro, N.D". From a biography https://library.ndsu.edu/exhibits/photographers/biography/skrivseth.html I was able to find out that Jacob L. Skrivseth came to and opened his studio in Hillsboro in 1882. I think I might know who the person on the picture is ,but I am not sure yet. I think his American greatgrandson confirmed it to be my own 4 x greatgrandfather Torger Torgerson Ronningen born 1806 who emigrated in 1885 ,but I am working on getting that verified. Thing is...this photo could also be a photo of Johannes Ostensen Sorum 1799-1882 too ,but I find that strange because Johannes lived in Waukon ,Allamakee County ,Iowa and not in Hillsboro....he died in 1882 plus that ,I would find it strange if he went to Hillsboro to take a picture of himself. Johannes son Andreas J. Sorum 1833-1900 was married to Torger`s oldest daughter Berthe Maria Ronning 1835-1922 who lived in Hillsboro. From what I have heard ,Torger lived all his life in America with one of his sons ,Nils Torgerson 1857-1937 in Hillsboro. Anyway.....I wonder if anyone are able to tell me exactly when J L Skrivseth had a studio on "Cor. City Hall Block ,Hillsboro, N.D"???  was it all the time from 1882 or a specific timeperiod?? Thanks , Erik    _______________________________________________ Norwaylist Archiveshttp://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index?list=norway RESUBSCRIBE UNSUB http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/NOR/NORWAY.html guidelines http://www.rootsweb.com/~norway/guidelines.htm _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe and Archives https://mailinglists.rootsweb.com/listindexes/search/norway Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY  Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Hei Erik, I have Hillsboro, North Dakota - The First Hundred Years. It isn't indexed; so give me some time to browse through it and make copies of any pages that might be of interest to you. I do know that the Ronningen name was shortened to Ronning by some..... Have a nice day! Clark in Japan On 25-Jul-18 7:34 AM, Erik Hov wrote: > Thanks!. Took a look at both links Annette provided ,and got a bit more > info!. > Looks like he operated in Hillsboro 1882 to 1896 ,but don`t seem to be said > if he was on the "Cor. City > Hall Block address all the time. > Gregory mentioned the Traill County history book....does anyone have it? If > not ,I can contact Traill County historical society!. > > Erik > > -----Opprinnelig melding----- > Fra: Annette Bowen [mailto:annette.bowen@gmail.com] > Sendt: 25. juli 2018 00:16 > Til: norway <norway@rootsweb.com> > Emne: [NOR] Re: Photographer in Hillsboro, ND.... > > Google works well for this type of question. From > http://www.langdonroad.com/si-to-smi > > SKRIVSETH, J. L. > > Skrivseth, J. L., photographer, Hillsboro, Dak.[ota] (1890s-1905) cab > image; J. L. Skrivseth, Studio, City Hall Block, Hillsboro, D.[akota] > T.[erritory] (1890s-1905) dates on back b 1879 died Oct 1894, cab image > > This site gives more information. > https://library.ndsu.edu/exhibits/photographers/biography/skrivseth.html > > Annette > > _______________________________________________ > Norwaylist Archiveshttp://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index?list=norway > > RESUBSCRIBE UNSUB > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/NOR/NORWAY.html > > guidelines http://www.rootsweb.com/~norway/guidelines.htm > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe and Archives https://mailinglists.rootsweb.com/listindexes/search/norway > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community > --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

Thorvald Stoltenberg, father of Jens Stoltenberg, has died just five days after his 87th birthday.  The memorial published in The Local indicates he was well-respected and remembered fondly.  There is a 1985 photo of Thorvald with the memorial.  Jens greatly resembles his father. Norwegian political giant Thorvald Stoltenberg dies aged 87 https://www.thelocal.no/20180713/norwegian-political-giant-thorvald-stoltenberg-dies-aged-87 Thorvald Stoltenberg - Wikipedia page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thorvald_Stoltenberg I don't know how many people on the List remember the awful events of 22 July 2011 and then-Prime Minister Jens Stoltenberg's tribute to the victims, as well as King Harald's kind words, but I do. Jens is now the Secretary-General of NATO. Condolences to the Stoltenberg family for their loss. Bev

I was helped enormously by this list about an old photo of my Norwegian gr-grandparents, possibly (probably) a wedding photo. The consensus was that it was a charcoal photo (long process involved), and I inherited the very large portrait photo of them as a couple from my mother.  They were married in the Caledonia Lutheran Church, Caledonia, Traill County, Dakota Territory in April 1885, and were at their land grant homestead in Polk County, Minnesota before the end of the month when they appeared in the 1885 Minnesota State census.  While the timeline puts Skrivseth in Hillsboro when they got married, I've no idea who took their portrait since no name is on the photo. To add to what Greg wrote, more reference info: Traill County Archives http://www.usgwarchives.net/nd/traill/traill.htm NDGenWeb Traill Co., ND http://theusgenweb.org/nd/traill/mainpage.htm Scroll down, and you will see a marriage index.  I found my gr-grandparents in that index (both under alternate spellings) after I found out the name she used in the Norwegian emigration record when she arrived in 1883 with her future mother-in-law, sis-in-law, and bro-in-law.  My gr-grandfather and his father had arrived in Norman Co., MN in 1882, different months.  [To confuse the issue, by then half the farm in Norway had been sold out of the family to someone not related, they used the same name, and he had married in Norway, worked in Chicago, went back to Norway, came back with his family to Traill Co., ND, and his first name was the same as my gr-grandfather's albeit their ages and birth dates were different.] I phoned the courthouse in Traill Co back then, and when I told them I didn't want a certified copy but a photocopy of the original, the clerk I spoke with apologized for having to charge me the full fee, but someone did notarize the copy on the bottom portion of the page where nothing could interfere with the top part I was interested in and they sent it to me.  I didn't care about the price then; I thought they had been married in Norman Co and couldn't find the marriage record, so I was deliriously happy to have found the record across the river in Traill Co.  Hillsboro had been my gr-grandmother's stated destination in the Digitalarkivet emigration record, so that's why I'd checked the Traill Co indices in the first place.  It had only been online less than a month when I found the record. Beste, Bev On 7/24/2018 5:22 PM, Gregory Holter wrote: > Erik, > > From the information in the link you provided, it looks like he moved back to Fargo around October 1896 so it seems like he was in operation in Hillsboro from 1882 to late 1896.  There may be additional information available in the Traill County history book but I don't have a copy of that.  You could contact the Traill County Historical Society at:  http://www.co.traill.nd.us/departments/historical-society > > Greg Holter > > From: Erik Hov <gj_erov7@bbnett.no> > To: Norway List <norway@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2018 11:56 AM > Subject: [NOR] Photographer in Hillsboro, ND.... > > Maybe off topic ,but wonder if anyone know something about a photo taken in > Hillsboro, ND. I only have a copy of it ,not the original. > The photo must be from 1880 or 1890s. Not sure what`s on the back of it ,but > the front says that it is taken by "Skrivseth" at "Cor. City Hall Block > ,Hillsboro, N.D". > From a biography > https://library.ndsu.edu/exhibits/photographers/biography/skrivseth.html I > was able to find out that Jacob L. Skrivseth came to and opened his studio > in Hillsboro in 1882. > I think I might know who the person on the picture is ,but I am not sure > yet. I think his American greatgrandson confirmed it to be my own 4 x > greatgrandfather Torger Torgerson Ronningen born 1806 who emigrated in 1885 > ,but I am working on getting that verified. > Thing is...this photo could also be a photo of Johannes Ostensen Sorum > 1799-1882 too ,but I find that strange because Johannes lived in Waukon > ,Allamakee County ,Iowa and not in Hillsboro....he died in 1882 plus that ,I > would find it strange if he went to Hillsboro to take a picture of himself. > Johannes son Andreas J. Sorum 1833-1900 was married to Torger`s oldest > daughter Berthe Maria Ronning 1835-1922 who lived in Hillsboro. From what I > have heard ,Torger lived all his life in America with one of his sons ,Nils > Torgerson 1857-1937 in Hillsboro. > > Anyway.....I wonder if anyone are able to tell me exactly when J L Skrivseth > had a studio on "Cor. City Hall Block ,Hillsboro, N.D"???  was it all the > time from 1882 or a specific timeperiod?? > > Thanks , > Erik > >

Thanks for the link, Norman!  I admit I've seen this before, but when a subject is interesting - like languages I run into in researching my ancestors! :-)  - I watch or read things more than once. One of the joys of genealogy research is that one's "necessary trivia" knowledge accumulates over decades and it becomes like a rich tapestry with ever more complicated designs that are interwoven to form a complicated and harmonious pattern.  One can study parts on a micro level..., or stand back and view the entire thing..., like looking at the Bayeux Tapestry..., but a far longer timeline..., like a strand of DNA. In the Norse language family there is also Elfdalian which is very nearly extinct and Sweden is working to preserve it.  There are a few YouTube videos featuring people who speak the language.  If you know the origin of the Swedish Dala horses, it includes that region of Sweden (not all that far from Norway). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elfdalian Here is a language tree that's been updated from a diagram I had since it now includes Elfdalian under the Norse languages next to Gutnish (a few new German categories are also listed on this language pedigree chart).  Download the image and keep it for future reference.  Nearly every time I get an updated link for this Indo-European language tree, it disappears on me and I have to go in search for this same image.  The first link should work if the second one doesn't after you click on the image.  The full view is very large. https://www.ancient.eu/image/1028/ https://www.ancient.eu/uploads/images/1028.png?v=1485680376 Beste hilsen, Bev On 7/24/2018 5:33 PM, Norman wrote: > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=onduQjgAj8Y >

Thanks!. Took a look at both links Annette provided ,and got a bit more info!. Looks like he operated in Hillsboro 1882 to 1896 ,but don`t seem to be said if he was on the "Cor. City Hall Block address all the time. Gregory mentioned the Traill County history book....does anyone have it? If not ,I can contact Traill County historical society!. Erik -----Opprinnelig melding----- Fra: Annette Bowen [mailto:annette.bowen@gmail.com] Sendt: 25. juli 2018 00:16 Til: norway <norway@rootsweb.com> Emne: [NOR] Re: Photographer in Hillsboro, ND.... Google works well for this type of question. From http://www.langdonroad.com/si-to-smi SKRIVSETH, J. L. Skrivseth, J. L., photographer, Hillsboro, Dak.[ota] (1890s-1905) cab image; J. L. Skrivseth, Studio, City Hall Block, Hillsboro, D.[akota] T.[erritory] (1890s-1905) dates on back b 1879 died Oct 1894, cab image This site gives more information. https://library.ndsu.edu/exhibits/photographers/biography/skrivseth.html Annette

Thank you Anne! I thought I overstated that point after I hit send. The rules are there ain't no rules -- that can't be broken. That's why we should never use ALWAYS in our statements and NEVER and on and on. Can you address the suffixes better than I did - her point? Thank you! -----Original Message----- From: Anne Hildrum <ahildrum@gmail.com> To: norway <norway@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tue, Jul 24, 2018 12:22 pm Subject: [NOR] Re: Help with suffixes You wrote this: "There is no agreement between researchers about whether or not the farm name and its variation should be used in the "surname" entry in our genealogy programs. It is JUST an address and not truly a name" The first sentence certainly is true, whereas the second is not true. I have several peple who was born at a farm in the beginning of the 1800's, moved out of village they were born in, but took the farm name with them as a last name. It obvously is not an adress when there is no such farm name in the area they settled, and the names are still used today by their descendants several hundred years later.. It is true however, that many would put the different farm names the lived on as their last names, some are listed with it in the churchbooks, some are not. My point being there are some things that are pretty common, but don't always look at it as a rule. The only name you know for sure about poeple are the name they are christened with andf their father's name. Some people as a rule use only the patronym as a last name, where others use the farm name they were born on, and others will change the farm name as they moved from farm to farm. Basically find out how YOU want it to bee and suits your needs the best, and be consistent. I have areas where the farm names did end up being peoples last names, and in those areas I use farm names, in other areras most people ended up with patronyms as last names and in those areas I just use the patronym. Anne -----Original Message----- From: bolster3--- via NORWAY <norway@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2018 4:51 PM To: norway@rootsweb.com Cc: bolster3@aol.com Subject: [NOR] Re: Help with suffixes "stuen" or "stugua". In my attempt to be as accurate as I can, I wondered it if could successfully enter the following: just my opinion of what you are asking...stue a small house, cottage a room in the house, living room, ward (at hospital) stow (in shipping) stugu (see "stue") There is no agreement between researchers about whether or not the farm name and its variation should be used in the "surname" entry in our genealogy programs. It is JUST an address and not truly a name. However, it is much easier to find them at times when the farm name is attached. It is in the eyes of the beholder what is considered PERFECT. Technically, as said before, the farm name is an address so technically the farm name does not belong in the surname are. You'll find a number of these "suffixes" used with farm names. Your two examples appear to mean just a small house on that farm as opposed to using a whole parcel that the resident farms. Are you finding these names in the church books or an author's interpretation of what is in the church records. Norway uses a lot of compound words I've found that I have to be creative at time to look up the meaning of words. That's my take from my research for myself and for others. Am I hearing your question? Now, if I am, did I answer it correctly? Someone may correct my take. I have left it up to my students how they want to do the farm name when I volunteer at the senior center. I tell them the technicality and they are entering it the way they seem fit whether they put it in parenthesis or hyphenate it or whatever. It's their tree and they have to be able to find people. In the decades I've been doing it, I have changed my mind a few times whether I include it or not. Someday, I'll make a final decision. Have you checked the front or the back of the bygdebøker to see if there is an explanation of the suffixes? Perhaps, a simple request at UND might get an answer if you only copied the pages you thought pertinent. You'll find on large farms, the subfarms will have these variations or even a whole different name/number. The plasses will sometimes have the different names. How will you handle that? I still haven't decided. ;-) and I'm babbling before my coffee. -----Original Message----- From: Sue Barham <suebarham@comcast.net> To: norway <norway@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tue, Jul 24, 2018 4:29 am Subject: [NOR] Help with suffixes First of all, thank you everyone who answered my request for help. What I did find out is that after many years of dealing with other countries, and returning to Norway research after an absence of about 10 years.....I don't know how to ask a question in a way that it is possible for anyone to understand what I am struggling with. Let me try again. I have printed out Otto's dictionary and I have a copy of "Norwegian English Dictionary" by Einar Haugen. Vocabulary is not my issue. I clearly understand the use and necessity of patronymic and location naming practices. As a result of MANY visits to the Family History Library in SLC, and a faithful copier/husband, I have all Bygdebok pages for my own family, who come from Aurskog in Akershus, Sandsvær in Buskerud, and Hov in Hedmark. Working without the benefit of the copies of the Bygdebok volumes associated with Ringebu in Oppland, I have no idea whether what I have found on line is accurate, based on the knowledge that it comes not from civil or religious information but rather from an individual's submission. As I am sure you know, some researchers are not terribly concerned with accuracy and often include guesses or assumptions as being fact. The "Bruk" farm names seem to be quite different than I have found in the other three regions. Within the several thousand relatives of my own, I have not a single location name that ends in "stuen" or "stugua". In my attempt to be as accurate as I can, I wondered it if could successfully enter the following: "Hans Jensen Nordbu was born on 14 Oct 1805 in a cottage (the stuen portion of my information) at Nordbu farm, #9, Venabygd parish, Ringebu kommune, Oppland fylke." I do understand that the location portion of the name could and did often change over the individual's life, and have tried to include this information in the narrative of the record I create, but I feel a responsibility to be specific in the naming for the very specific events, i.e. birth, marriage, death, births of children. Do I violate accepted naming rules by handling it this way? Thanks again for your interest and patience in trying to help me when I asked in such a poor way. Hope you will send some opinion on what I would like to use as a format. 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Erik, From the information in the link you provided, it looks like he moved back to Fargo around October 1896 so it seems like he was in operation in Hillsboro from 1882 to late 1896.  There may be additional information available in the Traill County history book but I don't have a copy of that.  You could contact the Traill County Historical Society at:  http://www.co.traill.nd.us/departments/historical-society Greg Holter From: Erik Hov <gj_erov7@bbnett.no> To: Norway List <norway@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2018 11:56 AM Subject: [NOR] Photographer in Hillsboro, ND.... Maybe off topic ,but wonder if anyone know something about a photo taken in Hillsboro, ND. I only have a copy of it ,not the original. The photo must be from 1880 or 1890s. Not sure what`s on the back of it ,but the front says that it is taken by "Skrivseth" at "Cor. City Hall Block ,Hillsboro, N.D". From a biography https://library.ndsu.edu/exhibits/photographers/biography/skrivseth.html I was able to find out that Jacob L. Skrivseth came to and opened his studio in Hillsboro in 1882. I think I might know who the person on the picture is ,but I am not sure yet. I think his American greatgrandson confirmed it to be my own 4 x greatgrandfather Torger Torgerson Ronningen born 1806 who emigrated in 1885 ,but I am working on getting that verified. Thing is...this photo could also be a photo of Johannes Ostensen Sorum 1799-1882 too ,but I find that strange because Johannes lived in Waukon ,Allamakee County ,Iowa and not in Hillsboro....he died in 1882 plus that ,I would find it strange if he went to Hillsboro to take a picture of himself. Johannes son Andreas J. Sorum 1833-1900 was married to Torger`s oldest daughter Berthe Maria Ronning 1835-1922 who lived in Hillsboro. From what I have heard ,Torger lived all his life in America with one of his sons ,Nils Torgerson 1857-1937 in Hillsboro. Anyway.....I wonder if anyone are able to tell me exactly when J L Skrivseth had a studio on "Cor. City Hall Block ,Hillsboro, N.D"???  was it all the time from 1882 or a specific timeperiod?? Thanks , Erik

In 1923, Norway passed a law that every family must choose a surname that would follow their family in the male line in succeeding generations. It could be the current patronymic, an earlier patronymic, a current farm name, or an earlier farm name. Or one they just chose. The Norwegian who had been so helpful to me in finding my families in spite of their changes in names told me that his family had actually begun using an earlier farm name a couple of generations before. Some families had to be "prodded" by the government to pick a name and stick to it. I suppose one reason for passing this law in 1923 was that by then the censuses were very regularly taken, like US censuses, on the "10" years. This gave families some time to pick their names. Some families chose names different from what close cousins chose, of course, but that had been the case anyway, because of the use of farm names and patronymics. I know that most of us are researching people who lived long before this law was passed, but knowing about it was helpful to me. The worst result of it, for genealogists was that it "lost" women's names, as it forced them to use their husbands' surnames. Doris On Tue, Jul 24, 2018 at 12:20 PM, Anne Hildrum <ahildrum@gmail.com> wrote: > You wrote this: > > "There is no agreement between researchers about whether or not the farm > name and its variation should be used in the "surname" entry in our > genealogy programs. It is JUST an address and not truly a name" > > The first sentence certainly is true, whereas the second is not true. > > I have several peple who was born at a farm in the beginning of the > 1800's, moved out of village they were born in, but took the farm name with > them as a last name. It obvously is not an adress when there is no > such farm name in the area they settled, and the names are still used > today by their descendants several hundred years later.. > > It is true however, that many would put the different farm names the lived > on as their last names, some are listed with it in the churchbooks, some > are not. > > My point being there are some things that are pretty common, but don't > always look at it as a rule. The only name you know for sure about poeple > are the name they are christened with andf their father's name. > > Some people as a rule use only the patronym as a last name, where others > use the farm name they were born on, and others will change the farm name > as they moved from farm to farm. > > Basically find out how YOU want it to bee and suits your needs the best, > and be consistent. > > I have areas where the farm names did end up being peoples last names, and > in those areas I use farm names, in other areras most people ended up with > patronyms as last names and in > those areas I just use the patronym. > > Anne > > -----Original Message----- > From: bolster3--- via NORWAY <norway@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2018 4:51 PM > To: norway@rootsweb.com > Cc: bolster3@aol.com > Subject: [NOR] Re: Help with suffixes > > > > > "stuen" or "stugua". In my attempt to be as accurate as I can, I wondered > it if could successfully enter the following: > > > just my opinion of what you are asking...stue a small > house, cottage > a room in the house, living room, ward (at > hospital) > stow (in shipping) > > stugu (see "stue") > > There is no agreement between researchers about whether or not the farm > name and its variation should be used in the "surname" entry in our > genealogy programs. It is JUST an address and not truly a name. However, it > is much easier to find them at times when the farm name is attached. It is > in the eyes of the beholder what is considered PERFECT. Technically, as > said before, the farm name is an address so technically the farm name does > not belong in the surname are. > > You'll find a number of these "suffixes" used with farm names. Your two > examples appear to mean just a small house on that farm as opposed to using > a whole parcel that the resident farms. Are you finding these names in the > church books or an author's interpretation of what is in the church records. > > Norway uses a lot of compound words I've found that I have to be creative > at time to look up the meaning of words. > > That's my take from my research for myself and for others. Am I hearing > your question? Now, if I am, did I answer it correctly? Someone may > correct my take. > > > I have left it up to my students how they want to do the farm name when I > volunteer at the senior center. I tell them the technicality and they are > entering it the way they seem fit whether they put it in parenthesis or > hyphenate it or whatever. It's their tree and they have to be able to find > people. In the decades I've been doing it, I have changed my mind a few > times whether I include it or not. Someday, I'll make a final decision. > > Have you checked the front or the back of the bygdebøker to see if there > is an explanation of the suffixes? Perhaps, a simple request at UND might > get an answer if you only copied the pages you thought pertinent. > > You'll find on large farms, the subfarms will have these variations or > even a whole different name/number. The plasses will sometimes have the > different names. How will you handle that? I still haven't decided. ;-) > and I'm babbling before my coffee. > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Sue Barham <suebarham@comcast.net> > To: norway <norway@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tue, Jul 24, 2018 4:29 am > Subject: [NOR] Help with suffixes > > First of all, thank you everyone who answered my request for help. What I > did find out is that after many years of dealing with other countries, and > returning to Norway research after an absence of about 10 years.....I don't > know how to ask a question in a way that it is possible for anyone to > understand what I am struggling with. > Let me try again. > > I have printed out Otto's dictionary and I have a copy of "Norwegian > English Dictionary" by Einar Haugen. Vocabulary is not my issue. > > I clearly understand the use and necessity of patronymic and location > naming practices. > > As a result of MANY visits to the Family History Library in SLC, and a > faithful copier/husband, I have all Bygdebok pages for my own family, who > come from Aurskog in Akershus, Sandsvær in Buskerud, and Hov in Hedmark. > > Working without the benefit of the copies of the Bygdebok volumes > associated with Ringebu in Oppland, I have no idea whether what I have > found on line is accurate, based on the knowledge that it comes not from > civil or religious information but rather from an individual's submission. > As I am sure you know, some researchers are not terribly concerned with > accuracy and often include guesses or assumptions as being fact. > > The "Bruk" farm names seem to be quite different than I have found in the > other three regions. Within the several thousand relatives of my own, I > have not a single location name that ends in "stuen" or "stugua". In my > attempt to be as accurate as I can, I wondered it if could successfully > enter the following: > > "Hans Jensen Nordbu was born on 14 Oct 1805 in a cottage (the > stuen portion of my information) at Nordbu farm, #9, Venabygd parish, > Ringebu kommune, Oppland fylke." > > I do understand that the location portion of the name could and did often > change over the individual's life, and have tried to include this > information in the narrative of the record I create, but I feel a > responsibility to be specific in the naming for the very specific events, > i.e. birth, marriage, death, births of children. > > Do I violate accepted naming rules by handling it this way? > > Thanks again for your interest and patience in trying to help me when I > asked in such a poor way. Hope you will send some opinion on what I would > like to use as a format. > > Sue Nelson Barham > > _______________________________________________Norwaylist Archiveshttp:// > archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index?list=norwayRESUBSCRIBE UNSUBhttp:// > lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/NOR/NORWAY.htmlguidelines > http://www.rootsweb.com/~norway/guidelines.htm_________ > ______________________________________Email preferences: http://bit.ly/ > rootswebprefUnsubscribe and Archives https://mailinglists.rootsweb. > com/listindexes/search/norwayPrivacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY > Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9Rootsweb Blog: > http://rootsweb.blogRootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and > our loyal RootsWeb community > > > _______________________________________________ > Norwaylist Archiveshttp://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index?list=norway > > RESUBSCRIBE UNSUB > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/NOR/NORWAY.html > > guidelines http://www.rootsweb.com/~norway/guidelines.htm > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe and Archives > https://mailinglists.rootsweb.com/listindexes/search/norway > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb > is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community > > _______________________________________________ > Norwaylist Archiveshttp://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index?list=norway > > RESUBSCRIBE UNSUB > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/NOR/NORWAY.html > > guidelines http://www.rootsweb.com/~norway/guidelines.htm > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe and Archives https://mailinglists.rootsweb. > com/listindexes/search/norway > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community >

Google works well for this type of question. From http://www.langdonroad.com/si-to-smi SKRIVSETH, J. L. Skrivseth, J. L., photographer, Hillsboro, Dak.[ota] (1890s-1905) cab image; J. L. Skrivseth, Studio, City Hall Block, Hillsboro, D.[akota] T.[erritory] (1890s-1905) dates on back b 1879 died Oct 1894, cab image This site gives more information. https://library.ndsu.edu/exhibits/photographers/biography/skrivseth.html Annette On Tue, Jul 24, 2018 at 1:55 PM, Erik Hov <gj_erov7@bbnett.no> wrote: > Maybe off topic ,but wonder if anyone know something about a photo taken in > Hillsboro, ND. I only have a copy of it ,not the original. > The photo must be from 1880 or 1890s. Not sure what`s on the back of it > ,but > the front says that it is taken by "Skrivseth" at "Cor. City Hall Block > ,Hillsboro, N.D". > From a biography > https://library.ndsu.edu/exhibits/photographers/biography/skrivseth.html I > was able to find out that Jacob L. Skrivseth came to and opened his studio > in Hillsboro in 1882. > I think I might know who the person on the picture is ,but I am not sure > yet. I think his American greatgrandson confirmed it to be my own 4 x > greatgrandfather Torger Torgerson Ronningen born 1806 who emigrated in 1885 > ,but I am working on getting that verified. > Thing is...this photo could also be a photo of Johannes Ostensen Sorum > 1799-1882 too ,but I find that strange because Johannes lived in Waukon > ,Allamakee County ,Iowa and not in Hillsboro....he died in 1882 plus that > ,I > would find it strange if he went to Hillsboro to take a picture of himself. > Johannes son Andreas J. Sorum 1833-1900 was married to Torger`s oldest > daughter Berthe Maria Ronning 1835-1922 who lived in Hillsboro. From what I > have heard ,Torger lived all his life in America with one of his sons ,Nils > Torgerson 1857-1937 in Hillsboro. > > Anyway.....I wonder if anyone are able to tell me exactly when J L > Skrivseth > had a studio on "Cor. City Hall Block ,Hillsboro, N.D"??? was it all the > time from 1882 or a specific timeperiod?? > > Thanks , > Erik > > _______________________________________________ > Norwaylist Archiveshttp://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index?list=norway > > RESUBSCRIBE UNSUB > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/NOR/NORWAY.html > > guidelines http://www.rootsweb.com/~norway/guidelines.htm > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe and Archives https://mailinglists.rootsweb. > com/listindexes/search/norway > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community >

You wrote this: "There is no agreement between researchers about whether or not the farm name and its variation should be used in the "surname" entry in our genealogy programs. It is JUST an address and not truly a name" The first sentence certainly is true, whereas the second is not true. I have several peple who was born at a farm in the beginning of the 1800's, moved out of village they were born in, but took the farm name with them as a last name. It obvously is not an adress when there is no such farm name in the area they settled, and the names are still used today by their descendants several hundred years later.. It is true however, that many would put the different farm names the lived on as their last names, some are listed with it in the churchbooks, some are not. My point being there are some things that are pretty common, but don't always look at it as a rule. The only name you know for sure about poeple are the name they are christened with andf their father's name. Some people as a rule use only the patronym as a last name, where others use the farm name they were born on, and others will change the farm name as they moved from farm to farm. Basically find out how YOU want it to bee and suits your needs the best, and be consistent. I have areas where the farm names did end up being peoples last names, and in those areas I use farm names, in other areras most people ended up with patronyms as last names and in those areas I just use the patronym. Anne -----Original Message----- From: bolster3--- via NORWAY <norway@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2018 4:51 PM To: norway@rootsweb.com Cc: bolster3@aol.com Subject: [NOR] Re: Help with suffixes "stuen" or "stugua". In my attempt to be as accurate as I can, I wondered it if could successfully enter the following: just my opinion of what you are asking...stue a small house, cottage a room in the house, living room, ward (at hospital) stow (in shipping) stugu (see "stue") There is no agreement between researchers about whether or not the farm name and its variation should be used in the "surname" entry in our genealogy programs. It is JUST an address and not truly a name. However, it is much easier to find them at times when the farm name is attached. It is in the eyes of the beholder what is considered PERFECT. Technically, as said before, the farm name is an address so technically the farm name does not belong in the surname are. You'll find a number of these "suffixes" used with farm names. Your two examples appear to mean just a small house on that farm as opposed to using a whole parcel that the resident farms. Are you finding these names in the church books or an author's interpretation of what is in the church records. Norway uses a lot of compound words I've found that I have to be creative at time to look up the meaning of words. That's my take from my research for myself and for others. Am I hearing your question? Now, if I am, did I answer it correctly? Someone may correct my take. I have left it up to my students how they want to do the farm name when I volunteer at the senior center. I tell them the technicality and they are entering it the way they seem fit whether they put it in parenthesis or hyphenate it or whatever. It's their tree and they have to be able to find people. In the decades I've been doing it, I have changed my mind a few times whether I include it or not. Someday, I'll make a final decision. Have you checked the front or the back of the bygdebøker to see if there is an explanation of the suffixes? Perhaps, a simple request at UND might get an answer if you only copied the pages you thought pertinent. You'll find on large farms, the subfarms will have these variations or even a whole different name/number. The plasses will sometimes have the different names. How will you handle that? I still haven't decided. ;-) and I'm babbling before my coffee. -----Original Message----- From: Sue Barham <suebarham@comcast.net> To: norway <norway@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tue, Jul 24, 2018 4:29 am Subject: [NOR] Help with suffixes First of all, thank you everyone who answered my request for help. What I did find out is that after many years of dealing with other countries, and returning to Norway research after an absence of about 10 years.....I don't know how to ask a question in a way that it is possible for anyone to understand what I am struggling with. Let me try again. I have printed out Otto's dictionary and I have a copy of "Norwegian English Dictionary" by Einar Haugen. Vocabulary is not my issue. I clearly understand the use and necessity of patronymic and location naming practices. As a result of MANY visits to the Family History Library in SLC, and a faithful copier/husband, I have all Bygdebok pages for my own family, who come from Aurskog in Akershus, Sandsvær in Buskerud, and Hov in Hedmark. Working without the benefit of the copies of the Bygdebok volumes associated with Ringebu in Oppland, I have no idea whether what I have found on line is accurate, based on the knowledge that it comes not from civil or religious information but rather from an individual's submission. As I am sure you know, some researchers are not terribly concerned with accuracy and often include guesses or assumptions as being fact. The "Bruk" farm names seem to be quite different than I have found in the other three regions. Within the several thousand relatives of my own, I have not a single location name that ends in "stuen" or "stugua". In my attempt to be as accurate as I can, I wondered it if could successfully enter the following: "Hans Jensen Nordbu was born on 14 Oct 1805 in a cottage (the stuen portion of my information) at Nordbu farm, #9, Venabygd parish, Ringebu kommune, Oppland fylke." I do understand that the location portion of the name could and did often change over the individual's life, and have tried to include this information in the narrative of the record I create, but I feel a responsibility to be specific in the naming for the very specific events, i.e. birth, marriage, death, births of children. Do I violate accepted naming rules by handling it this way? Thanks again for your interest and patience in trying to help me when I asked in such a poor way. Hope you will send some opinion on what I would like to use as a format. Sue Nelson Barham _______________________________________________Norwaylist Archiveshttp://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index?list=norwayRESUBSCRIBE UNSUBhttp://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/NOR/NORWAY.htmlguidelines http://www.rootsweb.com/~norway/guidelines.htm_______________________________________________Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebprefUnsubscribe and Archives https://mailinglists.rootsweb.com/listindexes/search/norwayPrivacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blogRootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community _______________________________________________ Norwaylist Archiveshttp://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index?list=norway RESUBSCRIBE UNSUB http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/NOR/NORWAY.html guidelines http://www.rootsweb.com/~norway/guidelines.htm _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe and Archives https://mailinglists.rootsweb.com/listindexes/search/norway Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Maybe off topic ,but wonder if anyone know something about a photo taken in Hillsboro, ND. I only have a copy of it ,not the original. The photo must be from 1880 or 1890s. Not sure what`s on the back of it ,but the front says that it is taken by "Skrivseth" at "Cor. City Hall Block ,Hillsboro, N.D". From a biography https://library.ndsu.edu/exhibits/photographers/biography/skrivseth.html I was able to find out that Jacob L. Skrivseth came to and opened his studio in Hillsboro in 1882. I think I might know who the person on the picture is ,but I am not sure yet. I think his American greatgrandson confirmed it to be my own 4 x greatgrandfather Torger Torgerson Ronningen born 1806 who emigrated in 1885 ,but I am working on getting that verified. Thing is...this photo could also be a photo of Johannes Ostensen Sorum 1799-1882 too ,but I find that strange because Johannes lived in Waukon ,Allamakee County ,Iowa and not in Hillsboro....he died in 1882 plus that ,I would find it strange if he went to Hillsboro to take a picture of himself. Johannes son Andreas J. Sorum 1833-1900 was married to Torger`s oldest daughter Berthe Maria Ronning 1835-1922 who lived in Hillsboro. From what I have heard ,Torger lived all his life in America with one of his sons ,Nils Torgerson 1857-1937 in Hillsboro. Anyway.....I wonder if anyone are able to tell me exactly when J L Skrivseth had a studio on "Cor. City Hall Block ,Hillsboro, N.D"??? was it all the time from 1882 or a specific timeperiod?? Thanks , Erik

I like the example you provided. It details about everything that was in the birth record of Hans Jensen Nordbu. I use the name and patrynomic as the first and last name and enter the place of birth in the appropriate blocks. When my ancestors moved to another farm I make a note of that but don't change the name record. When they immigrated and used a last name that wasn't the patrynomic, I just update the name by adding the new name to the original name and patrynomic. My GGGrand father was Peder Iverson. When he and his sons Iver and Nils Pederson immigrated their last residence in Norway was the Fimreite gard in Sogn of Fjordane. Nile immigrated first in 1866 and the ship's manifest showed his sister Anna Pedersdatter and her 5 year old son accompanying him. He took on the last name of Kvammen. Anna used Pederson as her last name. In 1869, Peder Iverson, His son Iver Pederson and their families immigrated and the ship's manifest listed their last residence as Fimreite and they used that as their new last name. Therefore I keep the patrynomic in the name record to show that, although their last names were different, they were related.

"stuen" or "stugua". In my attempt to be as accurate as I can, I wondered it if could successfully enter the following: just my opinion of what you are asking...stue a small house, cottage a room in the house, living room, ward (at hospital) stow (in shipping) stugu (see "stue") There is no agreement between researchers about whether or not the farm name and its variation should be used in the "surname" entry in our genealogy programs. It is JUST an address and not truly a name. However, it is much easier to find them at times when the farm name is attached. It is in the eyes of the beholder what is considered PERFECT. Technically, as said before, the farm name is an address so technically the farm name does not belong in the surname are. You'll find a number of these "suffixes" used with farm names. Your two examples appear to mean just a small house on that farm as opposed to using a whole parcel that the resident farms. Are you finding these names in the church books or an author's interpretation of what is in the church records. Norway uses a lot of compound words I've found that I have to be creative at time to look up the meaning of words. That's my take from my research for myself and for others. Am I hearing your question? Now, if I am, did I answer it correctly? Someone may correct my take. I have left it up to my students how they want to do the farm name when I volunteer at the senior center. I tell them the technicality and they are entering it the way they seem fit whether they put it in parenthesis or hyphenate it or whatever. It's their tree and they have to be able to find people. In the decades I've been doing it, I have changed my mind a few times whether I include it or not. Someday, I'll make a final decision. Have you checked the front or the back of the bygdebøker to see if there is an explanation of the suffixes? Perhaps, a simple request at UND might get an answer if you only copied the pages you thought pertinent. You'll find on large farms, the subfarms will have these variations or even a whole different name/number. The plasses will sometimes have the different names. How will you handle that? I still haven't decided. ;-) and I'm babbling before my coffee. -----Original Message----- From: Sue Barham <suebarham@comcast.net> To: norway <norway@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tue, Jul 24, 2018 4:29 am Subject: [NOR] Help with suffixes First of all, thank you everyone who answered my request for help. What I did find out is that after many years of dealing with other countries, and returning to Norway research after an absence of about 10 years.....I don't know how to ask a question in a way that it is possible for anyone to understand what I am struggling with. Let me try again. I have printed out Otto's dictionary and I have a copy of "Norwegian English Dictionary" by Einar Haugen. Vocabulary is not my issue. I clearly understand the use and necessity of patronymic and location naming practices. As a result of MANY visits to the Family History Library in SLC, and a faithful copier/husband, I have all Bygdebok pages for my own family, who come from Aurskog in Akershus, Sandsvær in Buskerud, and Hov in Hedmark. Working without the benefit of the copies of the Bygdebok volumes associated with Ringebu in Oppland, I have no idea whether what I have found on line is accurate, based on the knowledge that it comes not from civil or religious information but rather from an individual's submission. As I am sure you know, some researchers are not terribly concerned with accuracy and often include guesses or assumptions as being fact. The "Bruk" farm names seem to be quite different than I have found in the other three regions. Within the several thousand relatives of my own, I have not a single location name that ends in "stuen" or "stugua". In my attempt to be as accurate as I can, I wondered it if could successfully enter the following: "Hans Jensen Nordbu was born on 14 Oct 1805 in a cottage (the stuen portion of my information) at Nordbu farm, #9, Venabygd parish, Ringebu kommune, Oppland fylke." I do understand that the location portion of the name could and did often change over the individual's life, and have tried to include this information in the narrative of the record I create, but I feel a responsibility to be specific in the naming for the very specific events, i.e. birth, marriage, death, births of children. Do I violate accepted naming rules by handling it this way? Thanks again for your interest and patience in trying to help me when I asked in such a poor way. Hope you will send some opinion on what I would like to use as a format. 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Location name is part of father name in the record: Jens Jacobsen Nordboestuen. And it does matter. When I record Norwegians, I always put their address name as the place they were born. Then as they move elsewhere I add a note saying moved to such and such farm. Or as they have children moving also becomes obvious because I record the farm where each child is born. Does that make sense? Rod Kurth On 2018-07-24 09:03, Sue Barham wrote: > Thank you, Rod, for the image. The son of the individual I used as an example shows up clearly. I had an incorrect date for the birth, though I did have the baptismal day correct. > I still am not certain how to accurately identify the location name, but maybe it doesn't matter much. > > Sue Barham > > Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2018 08:24:17 -0500 > From: Rod <rskurth@mtco.com> > Subject: [NOR] Re: Help with suffixes > To: <norway@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <9d397180573352dbb28103ead34b4dca@mtco.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > Sending this again without the attachement: > > Here is the link to the didgitalarkivet.no for Hans's christening > records: > http://urn.digitalarkivet.no/URN:NBN:no-a1450-kb20070603580234.jpg [1] . > Most Norwegian church records are available for free on-line. I don't know if the attachment will come through, but I took a screen shot of the record. The hand writing is beautiful and easy to read. It appears he was born and christened the same day, 27 October 1805. I hope this helps. > > Rod Kurth > > _______________________________________________ > Norwaylist Archiveshttp://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index?list=norway > > RESUBSCRIBE UNSUB > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/NOR/NORWAY.html [2] > > guidelines http://www.rootsweb.com/~norway/guidelines.htm [3] > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref [4] > Unsubscribe and Archives https://mailinglists.rootsweb.com/listindexes/search/norway [5] > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY [6] Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 [7] > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog [8] > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community Links: ------ [1] http://urn.digitalarkivet.no/URN:NBN:no-a1450-kb20070603580234.jpg [2] http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/NOR/NORWAY.html [3] http://www.rootsweb.com/~norway/guidelines.htm [4] http://bit.ly/rootswebpref [5] https://mailinglists.rootsweb.com/listindexes/search/norway [6] https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY [7] https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 [8] http://rootsweb.blog