Ole had difficulty sleeping. One night he took a sleeping pill and slept like a dog. When he woke up he dressed and went to work. He told the boss, "I didn't have a bit of trouble getting up this morning because of a good night's sleep." "Dats great," said the boss, "but vhere were you yesterday?" Sent from my iPad John Ferman Kingfield Neighborhood Minneapolis, MN Email in header

You succeeded! On 2/25/2015 2:14 PM, Jeanne S via wrote: > I have tried and been unable to send a message to the List this afternoon--or to the Administrator either. In both cases I get delivery status failures.......here is another try. > > Jeanne > >> There are two possible Arkivvverke records for a person named PEDER BERSVENDSEN DRAXTEN, husband of AGNETHE OLSDTR. RENAA >> Which one is the correct death date? Both work out to about 1790 for his DOB, said to be his correct birth year in other records. >> >> Their marriage is said to have taken place in Selbu in 1815 (I've not found that so far, but haven't looked yet either). >> >> [Source: "Draxen Folklet, 1716-1988", Pg. 162] >> >> Wife AGNETHE b. 1790 in Selbu (parents Ole Gunderson Renaa and Sigrid Olsdatr. Draxen) died 13 Mar 1851 in Selbu. >> Her death record is found here: >> Source information: Sør-Trøndelag county, Selbu in Selbu, Parish register copy nr. 695C05 (1842-1858), Chronological list 1851, page 86. >> Permanent pagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=16319&idx_id=16319&uid=ny&idx_side=-89 >> >> Their children, all b. in Selbu: >> >> Bersven b. 1812 >> Ole b. 1815 >> Torkild b. 1818 >> SIGRID - b. 1819 (she is my line, later married Anders Christiansen from Horg, a recent inquiry on this list) >> Torkild b. 1822 >> Marit b. 1823 >> Agnethe b. 1826 >> Peder b. 1829 >> Beret b. 1833 >> Berith b. 1835 >> >> Which death record (below) is for Agnethe's husband, Peder Bersvendsen Draxton, supposedly born about 1790 in Selbu? >> >> The book (sourced above) used the 1857 date, but I also found an 1873 death record for the same name. >> I am now uncertain which death date to enter into my database. >> >> 1. Line #59 - Death Date 1873 >> Source information: Sør-Trøndelag county, Selbu in Selbu, Parish register copy nr. 695C07 (1869-1888), Death and burial records 1873, page 320. >> Permanent pagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=16321&idx_id=16321&uid=ny&idx_side=-26 >> >> 2. Line #28 - Death Date 1857 >> Source information: Sør-Trøndelag county, Selbu in Selbu, Parish register copy nr. 695C05 (1842-1858), Chronological list 1857, page 105. >> Permanent pagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=16321&idx_id=16321&uid=ny&idx_side=-108 >> >> >> Many thanks for any additional input anyone can give me on this new problem. >> >> Jeanne >> >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORWAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hei Earl and all, Cliff did not mention that all of the info in that database search engine is available in Microsoft Excel spreadsheet files. If you are handy with MS Excel, you can find those files at the link down in the right hand corner of the page Cliff sent you to . . . It reads:  Nedlasting av gårdsmatrikkelen for 1886 som Excel-filer. If you are not comfortable using MS Excel, it is a moot point. Best, Don From: Cliff Lien via <norway@rootsweb.com> To: Earl Sande <earlsande@telus.net>; norway@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2015 9:56 AM Subject: Re: [NOR] Flakstad : #19 Marken - Land Ownership help please Hi Earl, This is the entry from the 1886 Gardsmatrikkelen... http://www.rhd.uit.no/matrikkel/matrikkel.aspx Choose Nordland, then Check the Box after... "3. Avgrens søkinga til kommuner innenfor hvert valgte fylke:"  to bring up the parishes and choose Flakstad. All searches are "begins with" only and what is entered in Gårdsnavn gets searched for in the Brukssnavn as well. Click on the Blue Gardsnavn in the results to see a list of all Bruks of that Gard... MARKEN: Resultat fra søking i gårdsmatrikkelen for 1886 Informasjon om matrikkelgård:•Fylke: Nordland •Kommune: Flakstad •Sogn: Flakstad Sogn •Gårdsnummer: 19 •Gammelt matrikkelnr: 35 •Navn på gård: Marken Antall bruk registrert på matrikkelgården: 1 Bruksnr - 1 Gammelt løpenr - 119 Bruksnavn - Marken Brukers navn - Johannes Hansen Skyld i Mark-Øre - 0-75 Skyld i Daler-Ort-Skilling - 0-1-17-17 Merknad - None BTW:  The Gammelt løpenr (119 here) is the Matr. Nr that is listed in the 1865 census... Cliff Lien Alberta, Canada cjl@interbaun.com -----Original Message----- From: Earl Sande via Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2015 11:30 PM To: norway@rootsweb.com Subject: [NOR] Flakstad : #19 Marken - Land Ownership help please Would someone kindly direct me to how to find who owned Farm #19 Marken in Flakstad, particularly during the censuses after 1865? Thanks Earl ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORWAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORWAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Here's a few more: 20 Mar 1896 "Salt Lake Tribune". Judge W. L. Maginnis and W. H. O'Brein returned yesterday from Idaho, where they have been on business. 16 May 1896 "Salt Lake Tribune". Attorney W. H. OBrien is confined to his room with severe attack of neuralgia. 30 Dec. 1916 "Ogden Standard", Utah. MRS. W. H. O'BRIEN HAS BEEN RELEASED. Acting on request of County Attorney Joseph E. Evans, Deputy Sheriff Curtis Allison yesterday located Mrs. W. H. O'Brien at Buhl, Idaho, where her husband is employed. etc. On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 3:49 PM, Mark Erickson <merickson1870@gmail.com> wrote: > Your William was born in MD abt 1867, studied at the University of > Edinburgh, and became a lawyer. Lot of coincindences. > > 10 Jan 1897, "The Salt Lake Tribune", page 18 > William H. O'Brien. > William. H. O'Brien, a Weber county member of the lower house, was born in > Baltimore, Md., in 1866, but at an early age. he was taken by his parents > to India, where his father engaged in commerce on the Irrawady river. He > was sent to Scotland and took a three years' course in the University of > Edinburgh, afterward going to Germany to complete his education. His > health, however, becoming impaired he was obliged to forego his studies and > spend some months in travel, visiting different parts of India and South > Africa. Finally, in 1885, when only 19 years of age, O'Brien came to this > country, locating in western Kansas, where he remained about a year. At > that time he was attracted to Denver by the great boom, and going there > engaged in surveying. About six years of his life were spent in Colorado, > in Denver, Leadville, Aspen and other points, the most of the time being > occupied in surveying, mining and mining engineering. In 1891 he came to > Salt Lake City, where he commenced the study of law, afterward completing > his studies at Ogden. He is now associated with Judge W. L. Maginnis. He > was put on the ticket by the committee on the resignation of W. L. Peyton. > > On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 9:21 AM, Lars E. Oyane via <norway@rootsweb.com> > wrote: > >> Dear Carol, Barbara, Mark and other Listers! >> >> Thank you very much for your latest messages on this topic! >> >> To Carol: Yes, have used the Website of the Parish, and it says nothing >> about business hours. The phone just rings busy all the time... Not >> normal! >> >> To Barbara: No, William O'Brien appears to have "stayed put" after he is >> found in Idaho in 1900, 1910, 1915 (marriage), 1920 and dying in 1925 at >> Pocatello, ID. He was a lawyer! >> >> To Mark: I am most grateful for your efforts "ploughing thru" various >> newspaper items regarding William H. O'Brien, only too bad nowhere are >> listed any relatives of HIS! >> >> The only place where relatives are mentioned, is in that death notice >> from 1925, but the part about the relatives (great niece in Chicago, IL?) >> are so hard to read, I cannot make anything meaningful out of it... >> >> But still there is hope. He must have been from somewhere, if we could >> only find the "right" place to look! >> >> Thanks again for your wonderful assistance! >> >> Very sincerely yours, >> >> Lars E. Oyane >> >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> >> On Feb 25, 2015, at 9:51 AM, Mark Erickson via wrote: >> >> > You might already have this information, and I don't know if it helps >> with >> > any of your questions, but here's a few things I found about them. >> > >> > >> > They're both in the book "Centennial history of Lemhi County, Idaho >> > <https://archive.org/details/centennialhistor00lemh>" >> > >> > PAGE 120 • School Superintendents >> > >> > Clara A. Digles 1915-1919 >> > >> > >> > PAGE 218 • Lemhi County Prosecuting Attorney >> > >> > Numerous attorneys have held this position. The position has been a >> > springboard to other positions. >> > >> > William H. O'Brien, 1909-11 >> > >> > >> > 16 Jan 1913 Ad in the "Idaho Recorder". W. H. O'BRIEN, Attorney at Law >> > >> > Office with Judge McCracken. Soon to occupy offices in Citizen National >> > Bank Building. >> > >> > >> > 2 Oct 1913 Ad in the "Idaho Recorder". W. H. O'BRIEN, Attorney at Law >> > >> > Office Court House, Salmon, Idaho >> > >> > >> > 29 Dec 1916 Ad in the "Idaho Recorder". O'BRIEN & GLENNON, Attorneys >> at Law >> > >> > Offices in the I.O.O.F. Bldg., Salmon, Idaho >> > >> > (I.O.O.F = International Order of Odd Fellows) >> > >> > >> > He seems to have a history of working with Oil and Mining Companies. >> > >> > MUSGROVE MINING CO. >> > >> > (District Court, D. Idaho, E. D. July 11, 1916.) >> > >> > In the matter of the bankruptcy of the Musgrove Mining Company, a >> > corporation. >> > >> > O'Brien & Glennon, of Salmon, for Musgrove Mining Co. >> > >> > >> > There's a case from 1919 featuring O'Brien & Glennon, of Salmon, so they >> > were still practicing law together at that time. There are a lot of hits >> > for "O'Brien Glennon" in the Salmon Public Library newspapers link from >> > earlier in this thread. >> > >> > >> > 20 Sep 1918 "Idaho Recorder" Mrs. W. H. O'Brien and daughter Esther >> > Diggles left Tuesday morning for California: Miss Esther to enter >> Berkley, >> > Mrs. O'Brien will return to Henry, Idaho, to teach. >> > >> > >> > 13 June 1919 "Idaho Recorder" Mrs. Clara Diggles O'Brien and her >> daughter >> > Esther are home in Salmon, the mother from Henry and the daughter from >> the >> > university at Berkley, California. >> > >> > >> > There are several other articles from after his death that refer to her >> as >> > "Mrs. Clara Diggles O'Brien". >> > >> > On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 7:21 AM, Barbara Young via <norway@rootsweb.com >> > >> > wrote: >> > >> >> Dear Lars, >> >> >> >> I have not been following this thread closely but it occurs to me that >> >> since this man seems to be traveling across the country, did he work >> for >> >> a company that had large projects and he would be sent to work in these >> >> places and would stay until the job was finished and then go to the >> next >> >> project he was sent to? >> >> >> >> All the best >> >> Sincerely, >> >> Barbara in MA >> >> >> >> >> >> On 2/25/2015 12:39 AM, Lars E. Oyane via wrote: >> >>> Dear Kathy and other Listers! >> >>> >> >>> Thank you very much, Kathy, for you latest message with the O'Brien >> >> family from the 1870 census for Baltimore, MD. I am still not >> convinced >> >> this be the "right" family, but it must be the same as the one found >> in San >> >> Francisco, CA in 1880. >> >>> >> >>> Now, I have tried to reach the St. Pauls Episcopal Church at >> Blackfoot, >> >> ID, but the phne number given on the Website apparently is no longer >> valid, >> >> so I am kind of "stuck", again... Maybe it isn't the "right" church >> after >> >> all? Any suggestions anyone? >> >>> >> >>> Or has anyone found other newspaper items about William H. O'Brien in >> >> Idaho that can help? >> >>> >> >>> Thanks again to everyone for your great assistance in this matter! >> >>> >> >>> Very sincerely yours, >> >>> >> >>> Lars E. Oyane >> >>> >> >>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> >>> >> >>> On Feb 22, 2015, at 11:33 AM, Kathy Hines wrote: >> >>> >> >>>> Dear Lars, >> >>>> >> >>>> That must be this family from Baltimore, MD. Everybody only aged >> about >> >> 7 years in the intervening 10 years. >> >>>> >> >>>> Page No. 467 >> >>>> Schedule 1 - Inhabitants in the Eighteenth Ward, in the City of >> >> Baltimore, State of Maryland, enumerated by me on the 19th day of >> August, >> >> 1870. >> >>>> Post Office: Baltimore, MD >> >>>> (must be a duplex? The Patrick (29) and Anna (24) McGainey family >> live >> >> in HH 2827 as well.) >> >>>> 3605 OBrien William, 43, m, w, Laborer, Ireland, cannot write, male >> >> citizen of the U.S. >> >>>> Bridget, 43, f, w, Ireland, cannot read or write >> >>>> Mary A, 12, f, w, Md >> >>>> James, 3/12, m, w, Md, b. Mch >> >>>> Catharine, 8, f, w, Md, attended school within the year >> >>>> Bridget, 6, f, w, Md, attended school within the year >> >>>> William, 5, m, w, Md >> >>>> >> >>>> I looked for Baltimore births on ancestry.com, but there seems to >> be a >> >> great shortage of them. :) >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> I tried looking up the parents on findagrave, in the hopes that a >> >> parents’ obit might say where their children were. But I was really >> >> shocked to see how many Bridget O’Briens there were in Holy Cross >> Catholic >> >> Cemetery in San Mateo county. I quit counting at 21! >> >>>> >> >>>> I struck out finding James O’Brien b. March 1870 in MD on the the >> 1900 >> >> California census. I didn’t find a likely Wm/Bridget either. Though >> they >> >> would have been about 73 by 1900 and may have already passed away by >> that >> >> time. >> >>>> >> >>>> It’s possible that this was Catherine’s marriage. She would have >> been >> >> about 26 by this time. >> >>>> NAME: Catherine O'Brien >> >>>> SPOUSE: Thomas Joseph Honigan >> >>>> MARRIAGE: 12 Nov 1888 - San Francisco >> >>>> >> >>>> I wonder if the obits for any of the family members of *this* William >> >> O’Brien would mention him being in Idaho? >> >>>> >> >>>> Kathy >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>>> On Feb 22, 2015, at 4:16 AM, Lars E. Oyane <lars.e.oyane@sdsl.no> >> >> wrote: >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Dear Kathy and other Listers! >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Thank you very much, Kathy, for your latest comments on my William >> H. >> >> O'Brien problem! >> >>>>> >> >>>>> I hadn't thought of checking out that marriage record before as far >> as >> >> church records are concerned. They were married by the Curator of the >> St. >> >> Paul P.E. Church at Blackfoot, ID, but can you tell me which church >> that >> >> may be? A Curator is a certain degree of Priest in the Catholic >> church, >> >> while P.E. church appears to refer to Episcopal church. At Blackfoot, >> ID >> >> today there is just one St. Paul church, and that is: St Pauls >> Episcopal >> >> Church, 72 N Shilling Ave, Blackfoot, ID (208)785-4474. I found an >> >> e-mail address and wrote a message, but it bounced back, so must no >> longer >> >> be good... I'll try to call them during the week... (Hopefully it's >> the >> >> "right" church) >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Then you have the San Francisco, CA voter list from 1890, which I >> >> hadn't see before. Now, that William O'Brien does NOT show up in any >> >> census records from 1900, 1910 or 1920 in California, but I suspect he >> be >> >> part of this family from San Francisco, CA 1880: >> >>>>> >> >>>>> O'Brien, William 50 laborer Ire Ire Ire >> >>>>> O'Brien, Bridget 46 wife keeping house Ire Ire Ire >> >>>>> O'Brien, Mary Ann 20 daughter boarder MD Ire Ire >> >>>>> O'Brien, Elizabeth 15 daughter boarder MD Ire Ire >> >>>>> O'Brien, William 13 son driver of wagon MD Ire Ire >> >>>>> O'Brien, James 7 son at school MD Ire Ire >> >>>>> >> >>>>> I find the family living 1870 in Baltimore, MD; the ages a little >> bit >> >> off, but still with both parents born in Ireland! >> >>>>> >> >>>>> This William O'Brien is probably the same one as the one from the >> >> voter list, but can he be the one who shows up in Idaho? >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Thanks again for your great assistance in this matter! I don't >> easily >> >> give up! >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Very sincerely yours, >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Lars E. Oyane >> >>>>> >> >>>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> >>>>> >> >>>>> On Feb 22, 2015, at 2:21 AM, Kathy Hines via wrote: >> >>>>> >> >>>>>> Somebody may have already posted this and I’m just behind the times >> >> again. :) Just in case you haven’t seen this yet: >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> California, Great Registers >> >>>>>> Name: William O'Brien < >> >> https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/VTXW-WBT> >> >>>>>> Event Type: Voter Registration >> >>>>>> Event Date: 1890 >> >>>>>> Event Place: Silver Av Merr & Brnold, San Francisco, >> >> California, United States >> >>>>>> Age: 22 >> >>>>>> Birth Year (Estimated): 1868 >> >>>>>> Birthplace: Maryland >> >>>>>> GS Film number: 977642 < >> >> >> https://familysearch.org/search/record/results?count=20&query=%2Bfilm_number%3A977642 >> > >> >> , Digital Folder Number: 005030282 < >> >> >> https://familysearch.org/search/record/results?count=20&query=%2Bfilm_number%3A005030282 >> > >> >> , Image Number: 00205 >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>>> On Feb 21, 2015, at 11:50 PM, Kathy Hines via < >> norway@rootsweb.com> >> >> wrote: >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> Thanks, Lars. I glanced at that county record book for the >> >> marriages and I wonder if St Paul’s Church might not have a more >> detailed >> >> record of their backgrounds. >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> I also looked at his death record on famiysearch.org < >> >> http://famiysearch.org/>. The informant was the Secretary of the >> >> Pocatello Elks Club. Maybe you can contact them and see if they have >> any >> >> information or history of early members of the club: >> >>>>>>> http://www.elks.org/lodges/ContactUs.cfm?LodgeNumber=0674 < >> >> http://www.elks.org/lodges/ContactUs.cfm?LodgeNumber=0674> >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> Kathy >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> On Feb 21, 2015, at 5:11 PM, Lars E. Oyane via < >> norway@rootsweb.com> >> >> wrote: >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> Dear Kathy and other Listers! >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> Thank you very much, Kathy, for your latest comment on William H. >> >> O'Brien. >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> When I read your message, I am wondering whether you read this >> >> posting that I made a week ago: >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> Dear Listers, >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> I have another "challenge" for you today: >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> Peder Aamundson from Sogndal Co., Norway (1837-1921) and wife >> >> Christine Peterson from Hafslo parish, Luster Co., Norway (1850-1927), >> >> pioneer ranchers in Lemhi Co., ID, had a son-in-law that I am having >> >> difficulties identifying: >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> William H. O'Brien >> >>>>>>>> supposedly born in Maryland Feb. 17, 1867 >> >>>>>>>> died at Pocatello, ID Jan. 27, 1925 >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> William was a lawyer and presumably must have studied law at some >> >> university in or near Maryland!? Or maybe he studied somewhere else?? >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> Documentations: >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> * 1900 census for Boise, Ada Co., ID shown William H. O'Brien >> born >> >> Feb. 1867 in MD, parents born in VA and NY, a single lawyer. >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> * 1910 census for Salmon, Lemhi Co., ID shows William H. O'Brien. >> >> aged 42 (MD 1868), parents born in VA and NY, a single lawyer - county >> >> attorney >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> * 1920 census for Pocatello, Bannock Co., ID shows William H. >> >> O'Brien, aged 52 (MD 1867), parents born in VA and NY, married, lawyer >> - >> >> retired attorney >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> * 1925 death certificate from Pocatello, ID shows William H. >> >> O'Brien, lawyer, born in MD Feb. 17, 1867 - parents unknown >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> William appears to be rather "consistent" in regard to place of >> >> birth, since the parents are said to be born in VA and NY in all three >> >> censuses, and yet: I have so far not been able to find William >> anywhere in >> >> the 1870 or 1880 censuses! >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> ** Can anyone help me find William H. in the 1870 and/or 1880 >> >> censuses, i.e. exact place of his birth? >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> ** How about his middle name, H....? >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> ** Maybe William's student record can be found, i.e. where did he >> >> go to law-school? >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> Thanks a million in advance for your great assistance in this >> >> matter! >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> Very sincerely yours, >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> Lars E. Oyane >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> Here I have included all I know about William H. O'Brien. As you >> >> see, there are absolutely NO suggestions that he was born in Scotland, >> and >> >> if you search the census records from 1900, 1910, 1920 and 1930 you >> find NO >> >> William O'Briens in the state of IDAHO born in SCOTLAND, and then >> >> definitely none that are lawyers! >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> I have no obituaries describing him, but I have been in contact >> >> with relatives of his wife Clara's and have put together this >> biography for >> >> Clara: >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> "Clara Julia Amonson, born in Lemhi Co., ID Jan. 18, 1874, died >> at >> >> Blackfoot, ID Sep. 6, 1954. She was a school teacher, but married 1st >> time >> >> at Palo Alto, CA Oct 14, 1900 to James Arthur aka Arthur Diggles, born >> in >> >> Siskiyou Co., CA Aug. 10, 1871. He was a mining engineer, and the >> couple >> >> resided at Broken Hill, NSW, Australia. Arthur died at Largs Bay near >> >> Adelaide, Australia May 14, 1910, and in 1911 Clara returned to >> Idaho. She >> >> remarried at Blackfoot, ID on Aug. 30, 1915 to William H. O'Brien, our >> >> subject, born in MD Feb. 17, 1867. He died at Pocatello, ID Jan. 27, >> >> 1925. William was a lawyer and for a while Lemhi Co. lawyer, while >> Clara >> >> for a while was Lemhi Co. Superintendant of Schools. She taught school >> >> various places in MT and ID. One daughter from her 1st marriage died >> >> without descendants." >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> I am unable to find Clara in the 1920 census, but in 1920 William >> >> was said to be married and living alone in Pocatello, ID! It may seem >> like >> >> they separated or divorced, since by 1930 Clara "widowed" was listed as >> >> Clara Diggles in the Montana census, and that's the name she used when >> she >> >> died in 1954! >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> I am unable to produce other evidence, but do hope that William >> H. >> >> O'Brien's origin can be found! Thanks a million! >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> Very sincerely yours, >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> Lars E. Oyane >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> On Feb 21, 2015, at 3:43 PM, Kathy Hines via wrote: >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> William O’Brien is a very common name around the U.S. Just out >> of >> >> curiosity I checked the MN Death Index and found 81 of them. We even >> have >> >> a Wm O’Brien state park in Washington county. >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> I would hazard a guess that there is more than one lawyer by the >> >> name of Wm O’Brien. Most likely the one from Scotland and the one from >> >> Maryland are probably not the same guy. >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> You mentioned that the Wm O’Brien that you seek was a >> son-in-law. >> >> Is that right? Then can you tell us more about the woman he married >> and >> >> her family? Is there an obit for a family member that names him? >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> Kathy >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> On Feb 21, 2015, at 11:54 AM, Lars E. Oyane via < >> >> norway@rootsweb.com> wrote: >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> Dear Greg, Mark and other Listers! >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> Thank you very much to both of you for sending me the article >> on >> >> Judge O'Brien, Greg offline and Mark with a transcript! I have read it >> >> with great interest. >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> However, I was disappointed it didn't include any information >> at >> >> all about William's background or surviving relatives. So then there >> is a >> >> question; can possibly other articles be found about this Idaho >> Judge? The >> >> 1900, 1910 and 1920 census records all claim he was a native of >> Maryland >> >> with parents born in VA and NY respectively, while one obituary says >> he was >> >> born in Scotland and attended the University of Edinburgh! >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> So - indeed conflicting information!!? What is correct? >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> Thanks again for your great assistance in this matter! >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> Very sincerely yours, >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> Lars E. Oyane >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> On Feb 20, 2015, at 8:06 PM, Mark Erickson via wrote: >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> Friday, February 6, 1925 >> >>>>>>>>>>> Afton Star Valley Independent >> >>>>>>>>>>> JUDGE O’BRIEN PASSES BEYOND A great many people in Star Valley >> >> will ? grieved to learn of the death last week of Judge W. H O’Brien. >> Judge >> >> O’Brien came into the valley two or three years ago in connection with >> the >> >> Oil Company and while here made many sincere friends owing to his >> honest >> >> and sincere desire to help those who were less fortunate than himself. >> >> Judge O'Brien has been ill for several years but seemed to improve >> when in >> >> the valley, owing to high altitude and plenty of fresh air. He spent a >> few >> >> months in the valley last fall, and it seemed to be the ambition of his >> >> life to make our oil company’s successful. The Judge held the love and >> >> respect of all whom he came in contact with, and we are indeed sorry to >> >> hear of his passing. >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> I’ll see if I can find anything else. >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> NORWAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > >

Your William was born in MD abt 1867, studied at the University of Edinburgh, and became a lawyer. Lot of coincindences. 10 Jan 1897, "The Salt Lake Tribune", page 18 William H. O'Brien. William. H. O'Brien, a Weber county member of the lower house, was born in Baltimore, Md., in 1866, but at an early age. he was taken by his parents to India, where his father engaged in commerce on the Irrawady river. He was sent to Scotland and took a three years' course in the University of Edinburgh, afterward going to Germany to complete his education. His health, however, becoming impaired he was obliged to forego his studies and spend some months in travel, visiting different parts of India and South Africa. Finally, in 1885, when only 19 years of age, O'Brien came to this country, locating in western Kansas, where he remained about a year. At that time he was attracted to Denver by the great boom, and going there engaged in surveying. About six years of his life were spent in Colorado, in Denver, Leadville, Aspen and other points, the most of the time being occupied in surveying, mining and mining engineering. In 1891 he came to Salt Lake City, where he commenced the study of law, afterward completing his studies at Ogden. He is now associated with Judge W. L. Maginnis. He was put on the ticket by the committee on the resignation of W. L. Peyton. On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 9:21 AM, Lars E. Oyane via <norway@rootsweb.com> wrote: > Dear Carol, Barbara, Mark and other Listers! > > Thank you very much for your latest messages on this topic! > > To Carol: Yes, have used the Website of the Parish, and it says nothing > about business hours. The phone just rings busy all the time... Not > normal! > > To Barbara: No, William O'Brien appears to have "stayed put" after he is > found in Idaho in 1900, 1910, 1915 (marriage), 1920 and dying in 1925 at > Pocatello, ID. He was a lawyer! > > To Mark: I am most grateful for your efforts "ploughing thru" various > newspaper items regarding William H. O'Brien, only too bad nowhere are > listed any relatives of HIS! > > The only place where relatives are mentioned, is in that death notice from > 1925, but the part about the relatives (great niece in Chicago, IL?) are so > hard to read, I cannot make anything meaningful out of it... > > But still there is hope. He must have been from somewhere, if we could > only find the "right" place to look! > > Thanks again for your wonderful assistance! > > Very sincerely yours, > > Lars E. Oyane > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > On Feb 25, 2015, at 9:51 AM, Mark Erickson via wrote: > > > You might already have this information, and I don't know if it helps > with > > any of your questions, but here's a few things I found about them. > > > > > > They're both in the book "Centennial history of Lemhi County, Idaho > > <https://archive.org/details/centennialhistor00lemh>" > > > > PAGE 120 • School Superintendents > > > > Clara A. Digles 1915-1919 > > > > > > PAGE 218 • Lemhi County Prosecuting Attorney > > > > Numerous attorneys have held this position. The position has been a > > springboard to other positions. > > > > William H. O'Brien, 1909-11 > > > > > > 16 Jan 1913 Ad in the "Idaho Recorder". W. H. O'BRIEN, Attorney at Law > > > > Office with Judge McCracken. Soon to occupy offices in Citizen National > > Bank Building. > > > > > > 2 Oct 1913 Ad in the "Idaho Recorder". W. H. O'BRIEN, Attorney at Law > > > > Office Court House, Salmon, Idaho > > > > > > 29 Dec 1916 Ad in the "Idaho Recorder". O'BRIEN & GLENNON, Attorneys at > Law > > > > Offices in the I.O.O.F. Bldg., Salmon, Idaho > > > > (I.O.O.F = International Order of Odd Fellows) > > > > > > He seems to have a history of working with Oil and Mining Companies. > > > > MUSGROVE MINING CO. > > > > (District Court, D. Idaho, E. D. July 11, 1916.) > > > > In the matter of the bankruptcy of the Musgrove Mining Company, a > > corporation. > > > > O'Brien & Glennon, of Salmon, for Musgrove Mining Co. > > > > > > There's a case from 1919 featuring O'Brien & Glennon, of Salmon, so they > > were still practicing law together at that time. There are a lot of hits > > for "O'Brien Glennon" in the Salmon Public Library newspapers link from > > earlier in this thread. > > > > > > 20 Sep 1918 "Idaho Recorder" Mrs. W. H. O'Brien and daughter Esther > > Diggles left Tuesday morning for California: Miss Esther to enter > Berkley, > > Mrs. O'Brien will return to Henry, Idaho, to teach. > > > > > > 13 June 1919 "Idaho Recorder" Mrs. Clara Diggles O'Brien and her daughter > > Esther are home in Salmon, the mother from Henry and the daughter from > the > > university at Berkley, California. > > > > > > There are several other articles from after his death that refer to her > as > > "Mrs. Clara Diggles O'Brien". > > > > On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 7:21 AM, Barbara Young via <norway@rootsweb.com> > > wrote: > > > >> Dear Lars, > >> > >> I have not been following this thread closely but it occurs to me that > >> since this man seems to be traveling across the country, did he work for > >> a company that had large projects and he would be sent to work in these > >> places and would stay until the job was finished and then go to the next > >> project he was sent to? > >> > >> All the best > >> Sincerely, > >> Barbara in MA > >> > >> > >> On 2/25/2015 12:39 AM, Lars E. Oyane via wrote: > >>> Dear Kathy and other Listers! > >>> > >>> Thank you very much, Kathy, for you latest message with the O'Brien > >> family from the 1870 census for Baltimore, MD. I am still not convinced > >> this be the "right" family, but it must be the same as the one found in > San > >> Francisco, CA in 1880. > >>> > >>> Now, I have tried to reach the St. Pauls Episcopal Church at Blackfoot, > >> ID, but the phne number given on the Website apparently is no longer > valid, > >> so I am kind of "stuck", again... Maybe it isn't the "right" church > after > >> all? Any suggestions anyone? > >>> > >>> Or has anyone found other newspaper items about William H. O'Brien in > >> Idaho that can help? > >>> > >>> Thanks again to everyone for your great assistance in this matter! > >>> > >>> Very sincerely yours, > >>> > >>> Lars E. Oyane > >>> > >>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > >>> > >>> On Feb 22, 2015, at 11:33 AM, Kathy Hines wrote: > >>> > >>>> Dear Lars, > >>>> > >>>> That must be this family from Baltimore, MD. Everybody only aged > about > >> 7 years in the intervening 10 years. > >>>> > >>>> Page No. 467 > >>>> Schedule 1 - Inhabitants in the Eighteenth Ward, in the City of > >> Baltimore, State of Maryland, enumerated by me on the 19th day of > August, > >> 1870. > >>>> Post Office: Baltimore, MD > >>>> (must be a duplex? The Patrick (29) and Anna (24) McGainey family > live > >> in HH 2827 as well.) > >>>> 3605 OBrien William, 43, m, w, Laborer, Ireland, cannot write, male > >> citizen of the U.S. > >>>> Bridget, 43, f, w, Ireland, cannot read or write > >>>> Mary A, 12, f, w, Md > >>>> James, 3/12, m, w, Md, b. Mch > >>>> Catharine, 8, f, w, Md, attended school within the year > >>>> Bridget, 6, f, w, Md, attended school within the year > >>>> William, 5, m, w, Md > >>>> > >>>> I looked for Baltimore births on ancestry.com, but there seems to be > a > >> great shortage of them. :) > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> I tried looking up the parents on findagrave, in the hopes that a > >> parents’ obit might say where their children were. But I was really > >> shocked to see how many Bridget O’Briens there were in Holy Cross > Catholic > >> Cemetery in San Mateo county. I quit counting at 21! > >>>> > >>>> I struck out finding James O’Brien b. March 1870 in MD on the the 1900 > >> California census. I didn’t find a likely Wm/Bridget either. Though > they > >> would have been about 73 by 1900 and may have already passed away by > that > >> time. > >>>> > >>>> It’s possible that this was Catherine’s marriage. She would have > been > >> about 26 by this time. > >>>> NAME: Catherine O'Brien > >>>> SPOUSE: Thomas Joseph Honigan > >>>> MARRIAGE: 12 Nov 1888 - San Francisco > >>>> > >>>> I wonder if the obits for any of the family members of *this* William > >> O’Brien would mention him being in Idaho? > >>>> > >>>> Kathy > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>> On Feb 22, 2015, at 4:16 AM, Lars E. Oyane <lars.e.oyane@sdsl.no> > >> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> Dear Kathy and other Listers! > >>>>> > >>>>> Thank you very much, Kathy, for your latest comments on my William H. > >> O'Brien problem! > >>>>> > >>>>> I hadn't thought of checking out that marriage record before as far > as > >> church records are concerned. They were married by the Curator of the > St. > >> Paul P.E. Church at Blackfoot, ID, but can you tell me which church that > >> may be? A Curator is a certain degree of Priest in the Catholic church, > >> while P.E. church appears to refer to Episcopal church. At Blackfoot, > ID > >> today there is just one St. Paul church, and that is: St Pauls Episcopal > >> Church, 72 N Shilling Ave, Blackfoot, ID (208)785-4474. I found an > >> e-mail address and wrote a message, but it bounced back, so must no > longer > >> be good... I'll try to call them during the week... (Hopefully it's > the > >> "right" church) > >>>>> > >>>>> Then you have the San Francisco, CA voter list from 1890, which I > >> hadn't see before. Now, that William O'Brien does NOT show up in any > >> census records from 1900, 1910 or 1920 in California, but I suspect he > be > >> part of this family from San Francisco, CA 1880: > >>>>> > >>>>> O'Brien, William 50 laborer Ire Ire Ire > >>>>> O'Brien, Bridget 46 wife keeping house Ire Ire Ire > >>>>> O'Brien, Mary Ann 20 daughter boarder MD Ire Ire > >>>>> O'Brien, Elizabeth 15 daughter boarder MD Ire Ire > >>>>> O'Brien, William 13 son driver of wagon MD Ire Ire > >>>>> O'Brien, James 7 son at school MD Ire Ire > >>>>> > >>>>> I find the family living 1870 in Baltimore, MD; the ages a little bit > >> off, but still with both parents born in Ireland! > >>>>> > >>>>> This William O'Brien is probably the same one as the one from the > >> voter list, but can he be the one who shows up in Idaho? > >>>>> > >>>>> Thanks again for your great assistance in this matter! I don't > easily > >> give up! > >>>>> > >>>>> Very sincerely yours, > >>>>> > >>>>> Lars E. Oyane > >>>>> > >>>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > >>>>> > >>>>> On Feb 22, 2015, at 2:21 AM, Kathy Hines via wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>>> Somebody may have already posted this and I’m just behind the times > >> again. :) Just in case you haven’t seen this yet: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> California, Great Registers > >>>>>> Name: William O'Brien < > >> https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/VTXW-WBT> > >>>>>> Event Type: Voter Registration > >>>>>> Event Date: 1890 > >>>>>> Event Place: Silver Av Merr & Brnold, San Francisco, > >> California, United States > >>>>>> Age: 22 > >>>>>> Birth Year (Estimated): 1868 > >>>>>> Birthplace: Maryland > >>>>>> GS Film number: 977642 < > >> > https://familysearch.org/search/record/results?count=20&query=%2Bfilm_number%3A977642 > > > >> , Digital Folder Number: 005030282 < > >> > https://familysearch.org/search/record/results?count=20&query=%2Bfilm_number%3A005030282 > > > >> , Image Number: 00205 > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> On Feb 21, 2015, at 11:50 PM, Kathy Hines via <norway@rootsweb.com > > > >> wrote: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Thanks, Lars. I glanced at that county record book for the > >> marriages and I wonder if St Paul’s Church might not have a more > detailed > >> record of their backgrounds. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> I also looked at his death record on famiysearch.org < > >> http://famiysearch.org/>. The informant was the Secretary of the > >> Pocatello Elks Club. Maybe you can contact them and see if they have > any > >> information or history of early members of the club: > >>>>>>> http://www.elks.org/lodges/ContactUs.cfm?LodgeNumber=0674 < > >> http://www.elks.org/lodges/ContactUs.cfm?LodgeNumber=0674> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Kathy > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> On Feb 21, 2015, at 5:11 PM, Lars E. Oyane via < > norway@rootsweb.com> > >> wrote: > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Dear Kathy and other Listers! > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Thank you very much, Kathy, for your latest comment on William H. > >> O'Brien. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> When I read your message, I am wondering whether you read this > >> posting that I made a week ago: > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Dear Listers, > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> I have another "challenge" for you today: > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Peder Aamundson from Sogndal Co., Norway (1837-1921) and wife > >> Christine Peterson from Hafslo parish, Luster Co., Norway (1850-1927), > >> pioneer ranchers in Lemhi Co., ID, had a son-in-law that I am having > >> difficulties identifying: > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> William H. O'Brien > >>>>>>>> supposedly born in Maryland Feb. 17, 1867 > >>>>>>>> died at Pocatello, ID Jan. 27, 1925 > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> William was a lawyer and presumably must have studied law at some > >> university in or near Maryland!? Or maybe he studied somewhere else?? > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Documentations: > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> * 1900 census for Boise, Ada Co., ID shown William H. O'Brien born > >> Feb. 1867 in MD, parents born in VA and NY, a single lawyer. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> * 1910 census for Salmon, Lemhi Co., ID shows William H. O'Brien. > >> aged 42 (MD 1868), parents born in VA and NY, a single lawyer - county > >> attorney > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> * 1920 census for Pocatello, Bannock Co., ID shows William H. > >> O'Brien, aged 52 (MD 1867), parents born in VA and NY, married, lawyer - > >> retired attorney > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> * 1925 death certificate from Pocatello, ID shows William H. > >> O'Brien, lawyer, born in MD Feb. 17, 1867 - parents unknown > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> William appears to be rather "consistent" in regard to place of > >> birth, since the parents are said to be born in VA and NY in all three > >> censuses, and yet: I have so far not been able to find William anywhere > in > >> the 1870 or 1880 censuses! > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> ** Can anyone help me find William H. in the 1870 and/or 1880 > >> censuses, i.e. exact place of his birth? > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> ** How about his middle name, H....? > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> ** Maybe William's student record can be found, i.e. where did he > >> go to law-school? > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Thanks a million in advance for your great assistance in this > >> matter! > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Very sincerely yours, > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Lars E. Oyane > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Here I have included all I know about William H. O'Brien. As you > >> see, there are absolutely NO suggestions that he was born in Scotland, > and > >> if you search the census records from 1900, 1910, 1920 and 1930 you > find NO > >> William O'Briens in the state of IDAHO born in SCOTLAND, and then > >> definitely none that are lawyers! > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> I have no obituaries describing him, but I have been in contact > >> with relatives of his wife Clara's and have put together this biography > for > >> Clara: > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> "Clara Julia Amonson, born in Lemhi Co., ID Jan. 18, 1874, died at > >> Blackfoot, ID Sep. 6, 1954. She was a school teacher, but married 1st > time > >> at Palo Alto, CA Oct 14, 1900 to James Arthur aka Arthur Diggles, born > in > >> Siskiyou Co., CA Aug. 10, 1871. He was a mining engineer, and the > couple > >> resided at Broken Hill, NSW, Australia. Arthur died at Largs Bay near > >> Adelaide, Australia May 14, 1910, and in 1911 Clara returned to Idaho. > She > >> remarried at Blackfoot, ID on Aug. 30, 1915 to William H. O'Brien, our > >> subject, born in MD Feb. 17, 1867. He died at Pocatello, ID Jan. 27, > >> 1925. William was a lawyer and for a while Lemhi Co. lawyer, while > Clara > >> for a while was Lemhi Co. Superintendant of Schools. She taught school > >> various places in MT and ID. One daughter from her 1st marriage died > >> without descendants." > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> I am unable to find Clara in the 1920 census, but in 1920 William > >> was said to be married and living alone in Pocatello, ID! It may seem > like > >> they separated or divorced, since by 1930 Clara "widowed" was listed as > >> Clara Diggles in the Montana census, and that's the name she used when > she > >> died in 1954! > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> I am unable to produce other evidence, but do hope that William H. > >> O'Brien's origin can be found! Thanks a million! > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Very sincerely yours, > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Lars E. Oyane > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> On Feb 21, 2015, at 3:43 PM, Kathy Hines via wrote: > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> William O’Brien is a very common name around the U.S. Just out > of > >> curiosity I checked the MN Death Index and found 81 of them. We even > have > >> a Wm O’Brien state park in Washington county. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> I would hazard a guess that there is more than one lawyer by the > >> name of Wm O’Brien. Most likely the one from Scotland and the one from > >> Maryland are probably not the same guy. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> You mentioned that the Wm O’Brien that you seek was a son-in-law. > >> Is that right? Then can you tell us more about the woman he married and > >> her family? Is there an obit for a family member that names him? > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Kathy > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> On Feb 21, 2015, at 11:54 AM, Lars E. Oyane via < > >> norway@rootsweb.com> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Dear Greg, Mark and other Listers! > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Thank you very much to both of you for sending me the article on > >> Judge O'Brien, Greg offline and Mark with a transcript! I have read it > >> with great interest. > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> However, I was disappointed it didn't include any information at > >> all about William's background or surviving relatives. So then there > is a > >> question; can possibly other articles be found about this Idaho Judge? > The > >> 1900, 1910 and 1920 census records all claim he was a native of Maryland > >> with parents born in VA and NY respectively, while one obituary says he > was > >> born in Scotland and attended the University of Edinburgh! > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> So - indeed conflicting information!!? What is correct? > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Thanks again for your great assistance in this matter! > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Very sincerely yours, > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Lars E. Oyane > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> On Feb 20, 2015, at 8:06 PM, Mark Erickson via wrote: > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> Friday, February 6, 1925 > >>>>>>>>>>> Afton Star Valley Independent > >>>>>>>>>>> JUDGE O’BRIEN PASSES BEYOND A great many people in Star Valley > >> will ? grieved to learn of the death last week of Judge W. H O’Brien. > Judge > >> O’Brien came into the valley two or three years ago in connection with > the > >> Oil Company and while here made many sincere friends owing to his honest > >> and sincere desire to help those who were less fortunate than himself. > >> Judge O'Brien has been ill for several years but seemed to improve when > in > >> the valley, owing to high altitude and plenty of fresh air. He spent a > few > >> months in the valley last fall, and it seemed to be the ambition of his > >> life to make our oil company’s successful. The Judge held the love and > >> respect of all whom he came in contact with, and we are indeed sorry to > >> hear of his passing. > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> I’ll see if I can find anything else. > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NORWAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Dear Lars, I thought he was a lawyer but I looked back at one and saw he was laborer. I must have looked at the wrong person. Sorry. Sincerely, Barbara in MA On 2/25/2015 10:21 AM, Lars E. Oyane via wrote: > Dear Carol, Barbara, Mark and other Listers! > > Thank you very much for your latest messages on this topic! > > To Carol: Yes, have used the Website of the Parish, and it says nothing about business hours. The phone just rings busy all the time... Not normal! > > To Barbara: No, William O'Brien appears to have "stayed put" after he is found in Idaho in 1900, 1910, 1915 (marriage), 1920 and dying in 1925 at Pocatello, ID. He was a lawyer! > > To Mark: I am most grateful for your efforts "ploughing thru" various newspaper items regarding William H. O'Brien, only too bad nowhere are listed any relatives of HIS! > > The only place where relatives are mentioned, is in that death notice from 1925, but the part about the relatives (great niece in Chicago, IL?) are so hard to read, I cannot make anything meaningful out of it... > > But still there is hope. He must have been from somewhere, if we could only find the "right" place to look! > > Thanks again for your wonderful assistance! > > Very sincerely yours, > > Lars E. Oyane > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > On Feb 25, 2015, at 9:51 AM, Mark Erickson via wrote: > >> You might already have this information, and I don't know if it helps with >> any of your questions, but here's a few things I found about them. >> >> >> They're both in the book "Centennial history of Lemhi County, Idaho >> <https://archive.org/details/centennialhistor00lemh>" >> >> PAGE 120 • School Superintendents >> >> Clara A. Digles 1915-1919 >> >> >> PAGE 218 • Lemhi County Prosecuting Attorney >> >> Numerous attorneys have held this position. The position has been a >> springboard to other positions. >> >> William H. O'Brien, 1909-11 >> >> >> 16 Jan 1913 Ad in the "Idaho Recorder". W. H. O'BRIEN, Attorney at Law >> >> Office with Judge McCracken. Soon to occupy offices in Citizen National >> Bank Building. >> >> >> 2 Oct 1913 Ad in the "Idaho Recorder". W. H. O'BRIEN, Attorney at Law >> >> Office Court House, Salmon, Idaho >> >> >> 29 Dec 1916 Ad in the "Idaho Recorder". O'BRIEN & GLENNON, Attorneys at Law >> >> Offices in the I.O.O.F. Bldg., Salmon, Idaho >> >> (I.O.O.F = International Order of Odd Fellows) >> >> >> He seems to have a history of working with Oil and Mining Companies. >> >> MUSGROVE MINING CO. >> >> (District Court, D. Idaho, E. D. July 11, 1916.) >> >> In the matter of the bankruptcy of the Musgrove Mining Company, a >> corporation. >> >> O'Brien & Glennon, of Salmon, for Musgrove Mining Co. >> >> >> There's a case from 1919 featuring O'Brien & Glennon, of Salmon, so they >> were still practicing law together at that time. There are a lot of hits >> for "O'Brien Glennon" in the Salmon Public Library newspapers link from >> earlier in this thread. >> >> >> 20 Sep 1918 "Idaho Recorder" Mrs. W. H. O'Brien and daughter Esther >> Diggles left Tuesday morning for California: Miss Esther to enter Berkley, >> Mrs. O'Brien will return to Henry, Idaho, to teach. >> >> >> 13 June 1919 "Idaho Recorder" Mrs. Clara Diggles O'Brien and her daughter >> Esther are home in Salmon, the mother from Henry and the daughter from the >> university at Berkley, California. >> >> >> There are several other articles from after his death that refer to her as >> "Mrs. Clara Diggles O'Brien". >> >> On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 7:21 AM, Barbara Young via <norway@rootsweb.com> >> wrote: >> >>> Dear Lars, >>> >>> I have not been following this thread closely but it occurs to me that >>> since this man seems to be traveling across the country, did he work for >>> a company that had large projects and he would be sent to work in these >>> places and would stay until the job was finished and then go to the next >>> project he was sent to? >>> >>> All the best >>> Sincerely, >>> Barbara in MA >>> >>> >>> On 2/25/2015 12:39 AM, Lars E. Oyane via wrote: >>>> Dear Kathy and other Listers! >>>> >>>> Thank you very much, Kathy, for you latest message with the O'Brien >>> family from the 1870 census for Baltimore, MD. I am still not convinced >>> this be the "right" family, but it must be the same as the one found in San >>> Francisco, CA in 1880. >>>> Now, I have tried to reach the St. Pauls Episcopal Church at Blackfoot, >>> ID, but the phne number given on the Website apparently is no longer valid, >>> so I am kind of "stuck", again... Maybe it isn't the "right" church after >>> all? Any suggestions anyone? >>>> Or has anyone found other newspaper items about William H. O'Brien in >>> Idaho that can help? >>>> Thanks again to everyone for your great assistance in this matter! >>>> >>>> Very sincerely yours, >>>> >>>> Lars E. Oyane >>>> >>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >>>> >>>> On Feb 22, 2015, at 11:33 AM, Kathy Hines wrote: >>>> >>>>> Dear Lars, >>>>> >>>>> That must be this family from Baltimore, MD. Everybody only aged about >>> 7 years in the intervening 10 years. >>>>> Page No. 467 >>>>> Schedule 1 - Inhabitants in the Eighteenth Ward, in the City of >>> Baltimore, State of Maryland, enumerated by me on the 19th day of August, >>> 1870. >>>>> Post Office: Baltimore, MD >>>>> (must be a duplex? The Patrick (29) and Anna (24) McGainey family live >>> in HH 2827 as well.) >>>>> 3605 OBrien William, 43, m, w, Laborer, Ireland, cannot write, male >>> citizen of the U.S. >>>>> Bridget, 43, f, w, Ireland, cannot read or write >>>>> Mary A, 12, f, w, Md >>>>> James, 3/12, m, w, Md, b. Mch >>>>> Catharine, 8, f, w, Md, attended school within the year >>>>> Bridget, 6, f, w, Md, attended school within the year >>>>> William, 5, m, w, Md >>>>> >>>>> I looked for Baltimore births on ancestry.com, but there seems to be a >>> great shortage of them. :) >>>>> >>>>> I tried looking up the parents on findagrave, in the hopes that a >>> parents’ obit might say where their children were. But I was really >>> shocked to see how many Bridget O’Briens there were in Holy Cross Catholic >>> Cemetery in San Mateo county. I quit counting at 21! >>>>> I struck out finding James O’Brien b. March 1870 in MD on the the 1900 >>> California census. I didn’t find a likely Wm/Bridget either. Though they >>> would have been about 73 by 1900 and may have already passed away by that >>> time. >>>>> It’s possible that this was Catherine’s marriage. She would have been >>> about 26 by this time. >>>>> NAME: Catherine O'Brien >>>>> SPOUSE: Thomas Joseph Honigan >>>>> MARRIAGE: 12 Nov 1888 - San Francisco >>>>> >>>>> I wonder if the obits for any of the family members of *this* William >>> O’Brien would mention him being in Idaho? >>>>> Kathy >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> On Feb 22, 2015, at 4:16 AM, Lars E. Oyane <lars.e.oyane@sdsl.no> >>> wrote: >>>>>> Dear Kathy and other Listers! >>>>>> >>>>>> Thank you very much, Kathy, for your latest comments on my William H. >>> O'Brien problem! >>>>>> I hadn't thought of checking out that marriage record before as far as >>> church records are concerned. They were married by the Curator of the St. >>> Paul P.E. Church at Blackfoot, ID, but can you tell me which church that >>> may be? A Curator is a certain degree of Priest in the Catholic church, >>> while P.E. church appears to refer to Episcopal church. At Blackfoot, ID >>> today there is just one St. Paul church, and that is: St Pauls Episcopal >>> Church, 72 N Shilling Ave, Blackfoot, ID (208)785-4474. I found an >>> e-mail address and wrote a message, but it bounced back, so must no longer >>> be good... I'll try to call them during the week... (Hopefully it's the >>> "right" church) >>>>>> Then you have the San Francisco, CA voter list from 1890, which I >>> hadn't see before. Now, that William O'Brien does NOT show up in any >>> census records from 1900, 1910 or 1920 in California, but I suspect he be >>> part of this family from San Francisco, CA 1880: >>>>>> O'Brien, William 50 laborer Ire Ire Ire >>>>>> O'Brien, Bridget 46 wife keeping house Ire Ire Ire >>>>>> O'Brien, Mary Ann 20 daughter boarder MD Ire Ire >>>>>> O'Brien, Elizabeth 15 daughter boarder MD Ire Ire >>>>>> O'Brien, William 13 son driver of wagon MD Ire Ire >>>>>> O'Brien, James 7 son at school MD Ire Ire >>>>>> >>>>>> I find the family living 1870 in Baltimore, MD; the ages a little bit >>> off, but still with both parents born in Ireland! >>>>>> This William O'Brien is probably the same one as the one from the >>> voter list, but can he be the one who shows up in Idaho? >>>>>> Thanks again for your great assistance in this matter! I don't easily >>> give up! >>>>>> Very sincerely yours, >>>>>> >>>>>> Lars E. Oyane >>>>>> >>>>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >>>>>> >>>>>> On Feb 22, 2015, at 2:21 AM, Kathy Hines via wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Somebody may have already posted this and I’m just behind the times >>> again. :) Just in case you haven’t seen this yet: >>>>>>> California, Great Registers >>>>>>> Name: William O'Brien < >>> https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/VTXW-WBT> >>>>>>> Event Type: Voter Registration >>>>>>> Event Date: 1890 >>>>>>> Event Place: Silver Av Merr & Brnold, San Francisco, >>> California, United States >>>>>>> Age: 22 >>>>>>> Birth Year (Estimated): 1868 >>>>>>> Birthplace: Maryland >>>>>>> GS Film number: 977642 < >>> https://familysearch.org/search/record/results?count=20&query=%2Bfilm_number%3A977642> >>> , Digital Folder Number: 005030282 < >>> https://familysearch.org/search/record/results?count=20&query=%2Bfilm_number%3A005030282> >>> , Image Number: 00205 >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Feb 21, 2015, at 11:50 PM, Kathy Hines via <norway@rootsweb.com> >>> wrote: >>>>>>>> Thanks, Lars. I glanced at that county record book for the >>> marriages and I wonder if St Paul’s Church might not have a more detailed >>> record of their backgrounds. >>>>>>>> I also looked at his death record on famiysearch.org < >>> http://famiysearch.org/>. The informant was the Secretary of the >>> Pocatello Elks Club. Maybe you can contact them and see if they have any >>> information or history of early members of the club: >>>>>>>> http://www.elks.org/lodges/ContactUs.cfm?LodgeNumber=0674 < >>> http://www.elks.org/lodges/ContactUs.cfm?LodgeNumber=0674> >>>>>>>> Kathy >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Feb 21, 2015, at 5:11 PM, Lars E. Oyane via <norway@rootsweb.com> >>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> Dear Kathy and other Listers! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Thank you very much, Kathy, for your latest comment on William H. >>> O'Brien. >>>>>>>>> When I read your message, I am wondering whether you read this >>> posting that I made a week ago: >>>>>>>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Dear Listers, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I have another "challenge" for you today: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Peder Aamundson from Sogndal Co., Norway (1837-1921) and wife >>> Christine Peterson from Hafslo parish, Luster Co., Norway (1850-1927), >>> pioneer ranchers in Lemhi Co., ID, had a son-in-law that I am having >>> difficulties identifying: >>>>>>>>> William H. O'Brien >>>>>>>>> supposedly born in Maryland Feb. 17, 1867 >>>>>>>>> died at Pocatello, ID Jan. 27, 1925 >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> William was a lawyer and presumably must have studied law at some >>> university in or near Maryland!? Or maybe he studied somewhere else?? >>>>>>>>> Documentations: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> * 1900 census for Boise, Ada Co., ID shown William H. O'Brien born >>> Feb. 1867 in MD, parents born in VA and NY, a single lawyer. >>>>>>>>> * 1910 census for Salmon, Lemhi Co., ID shows William H. O'Brien. >>> aged 42 (MD 1868), parents born in VA and NY, a single lawyer - county >>> attorney >>>>>>>>> * 1920 census for Pocatello, Bannock Co., ID shows William H. >>> O'Brien, aged 52 (MD 1867), parents born in VA and NY, married, lawyer - >>> retired attorney >>>>>>>>> * 1925 death certificate from Pocatello, ID shows William H. >>> O'Brien, lawyer, born in MD Feb. 17, 1867 - parents unknown >>>>>>>>> William appears to be rather "consistent" in regard to place of >>> birth, since the parents are said to be born in VA and NY in all three >>> censuses, and yet: I have so far not been able to find William anywhere in >>> the 1870 or 1880 censuses! >>>>>>>>> ** Can anyone help me find William H. in the 1870 and/or 1880 >>> censuses, i.e. exact place of his birth? >>>>>>>>> ** How about his middle name, H....? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ** Maybe William's student record can be found, i.e. where did he >>> go to law-school? >>>>>>>>> Thanks a million in advance for your great assistance in this >>> matter! >>>>>>>>> Very sincerely yours, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Lars E. Oyane >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Here I have included all I know about William H. O'Brien. As you >>> see, there are absolutely NO suggestions that he was born in Scotland, and >>> if you search the census records from 1900, 1910, 1920 and 1930 you find NO >>> William O'Briens in the state of IDAHO born in SCOTLAND, and then >>> definitely none that are lawyers! >>>>>>>>> I have no obituaries describing him, but I have been in contact >>> with relatives of his wife Clara's and have put together this biography for >>> Clara: >>>>>>>>> "Clara Julia Amonson, born in Lemhi Co., ID Jan. 18, 1874, died at >>> Blackfoot, ID Sep. 6, 1954. She was a school teacher, but married 1st time >>> at Palo Alto, CA Oct 14, 1900 to James Arthur aka Arthur Diggles, born in >>> Siskiyou Co., CA Aug. 10, 1871. He was a mining engineer, and the couple >>> resided at Broken Hill, NSW, Australia. Arthur died at Largs Bay near >>> Adelaide, Australia May 14, 1910, and in 1911 Clara returned to Idaho. She >>> remarried at Blackfoot, ID on Aug. 30, 1915 to William H. O'Brien, our >>> subject, born in MD Feb. 17, 1867. He died at Pocatello, ID Jan. 27, >>> 1925. William was a lawyer and for a while Lemhi Co. lawyer, while Clara >>> for a while was Lemhi Co. Superintendant of Schools. She taught school >>> various places in MT and ID. One daughter from her 1st marriage died >>> without descendants." >>>>>>>>> I am unable to find Clara in the 1920 census, but in 1920 William >>> was said to be married and living alone in Pocatello, ID! It may seem like >>> they separated or divorced, since by 1930 Clara "widowed" was listed as >>> Clara Diggles in the Montana census, and that's the name she used when she >>> died in 1954! >>>>>>>>> I am unable to produce other evidence, but do hope that William H. >>> O'Brien's origin can be found! Thanks a million! >>>>>>>>> Very sincerely yours, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Lars E. Oyane >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Feb 21, 2015, at 3:43 PM, Kathy Hines via wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> William O’Brien is a very common name around the U.S. Just out of >>> curiosity I checked the MN Death Index and found 81 of them. We even have >>> a Wm O’Brien state park in Washington county. >>>>>>>>>> I would hazard a guess that there is more than one lawyer by the >>> name of Wm O’Brien. Most likely the one from Scotland and the one from >>> Maryland are probably not the same guy. >>>>>>>>>> You mentioned that the Wm O’Brien that you seek was a son-in-law. >>> Is that right? Then can you tell us more about the woman he married and >>> her family? Is there an obit for a family member that names him? >>>>>>>>>> Kathy >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Feb 21, 2015, at 11:54 AM, Lars E. Oyane via < >>> norway@rootsweb.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> Dear Greg, Mark and other Listers! >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Thank you very much to both of you for sending me the article on >>> Judge O'Brien, Greg offline and Mark with a transcript! I have read it >>> with great interest. >>>>>>>>>>> However, I was disappointed it didn't include any information at >>> all about William's background or surviving relatives. So then there is a >>> question; can possibly other articles be found about this Idaho Judge? The >>> 1900, 1910 and 1920 census records all claim he was a native of Maryland >>> with parents born in VA and NY respectively, while one obituary says he was >>> born in Scotland and attended the University of Edinburgh! >>>>>>>>>>> So - indeed conflicting information!!? What is correct? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Thanks again for your great assistance in this matter! >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Very sincerely yours, >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Lars E. Oyane >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Feb 20, 2015, at 8:06 PM, Mark Erickson via wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Friday, February 6, 1925 >>>>>>>>>>>> Afton Star Valley Independent >>>>>>>>>>>> JUDGE O’BRIEN PASSES BEYOND A great many people in Star Valley >>> will ? grieved to learn of the death last week of Judge W. H O’Brien. Judge >>> O’Brien came into the valley two or three years ago in connection with the >>> Oil Company and while here made many sincere friends owing to his honest >>> and sincere desire to help those who were less fortunate than himself. >>> Judge O'Brien has been ill for several years but seemed to improve when in >>> the valley, owing to high altitude and plenty of fresh air. He spent a few >>> months in the valley last fall, and it seemed to be the ambition of his >>> life to make our oil company’s successful. The Judge held the love and >>> respect of all whom he came in contact with, and we are indeed sorry to >>> hear of his passing. >>>>>>>>>>>> I’ll see if I can find anything else. >>>>>>>>>>>> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORWAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Dear Carol, Barbara, Mark and other Listers! Thank you very much for your latest messages on this topic! To Carol: Yes, have used the Website of the Parish, and it says nothing about business hours. The phone just rings busy all the time... Not normal! To Barbara: No, William O'Brien appears to have "stayed put" after he is found in Idaho in 1900, 1910, 1915 (marriage), 1920 and dying in 1925 at Pocatello, ID. He was a lawyer! To Mark: I am most grateful for your efforts "ploughing thru" various newspaper items regarding William H. O'Brien, only too bad nowhere are listed any relatives of HIS! The only place where relatives are mentioned, is in that death notice from 1925, but the part about the relatives (great niece in Chicago, IL?) are so hard to read, I cannot make anything meaningful out of it... But still there is hope. He must have been from somewhere, if we could only find the "right" place to look! Thanks again for your wonderful assistance! Very sincerely yours, Lars E. Oyane ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ On Feb 25, 2015, at 9:51 AM, Mark Erickson via wrote: > You might already have this information, and I don't know if it helps with > any of your questions, but here's a few things I found about them. > > > They're both in the book "Centennial history of Lemhi County, Idaho > <https://archive.org/details/centennialhistor00lemh>" > > PAGE 120 • School Superintendents > > Clara A. Digles 1915-1919 > > > PAGE 218 • Lemhi County Prosecuting Attorney > > Numerous attorneys have held this position. The position has been a > springboard to other positions. > > William H. O'Brien, 1909-11 > > > 16 Jan 1913 Ad in the "Idaho Recorder". W. H. O'BRIEN, Attorney at Law > > Office with Judge McCracken. Soon to occupy offices in Citizen National > Bank Building. > > > 2 Oct 1913 Ad in the "Idaho Recorder". W. H. O'BRIEN, Attorney at Law > > Office Court House, Salmon, Idaho > > > 29 Dec 1916 Ad in the "Idaho Recorder". O'BRIEN & GLENNON, Attorneys at Law > > Offices in the I.O.O.F. Bldg., Salmon, Idaho > > (I.O.O.F = International Order of Odd Fellows) > > > He seems to have a history of working with Oil and Mining Companies. > > MUSGROVE MINING CO. > > (District Court, D. Idaho, E. D. July 11, 1916.) > > In the matter of the bankruptcy of the Musgrove Mining Company, a > corporation. > > O'Brien & Glennon, of Salmon, for Musgrove Mining Co. > > > There's a case from 1919 featuring O'Brien & Glennon, of Salmon, so they > were still practicing law together at that time. There are a lot of hits > for "O'Brien Glennon" in the Salmon Public Library newspapers link from > earlier in this thread. > > > 20 Sep 1918 "Idaho Recorder" Mrs. W. H. O'Brien and daughter Esther > Diggles left Tuesday morning for California: Miss Esther to enter Berkley, > Mrs. O'Brien will return to Henry, Idaho, to teach. > > > 13 June 1919 "Idaho Recorder" Mrs. Clara Diggles O'Brien and her daughter > Esther are home in Salmon, the mother from Henry and the daughter from the > university at Berkley, California. > > > There are several other articles from after his death that refer to her as > "Mrs. Clara Diggles O'Brien". > > On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 7:21 AM, Barbara Young via <norway@rootsweb.com> > wrote: > >> Dear Lars, >> >> I have not been following this thread closely but it occurs to me that >> since this man seems to be traveling across the country, did he work for >> a company that had large projects and he would be sent to work in these >> places and would stay until the job was finished and then go to the next >> project he was sent to? >> >> All the best >> Sincerely, >> Barbara in MA >> >> >> On 2/25/2015 12:39 AM, Lars E. Oyane via wrote: >>> Dear Kathy and other Listers! >>> >>> Thank you very much, Kathy, for you latest message with the O'Brien >> family from the 1870 census for Baltimore, MD. I am still not convinced >> this be the "right" family, but it must be the same as the one found in San >> Francisco, CA in 1880. >>> >>> Now, I have tried to reach the St. Pauls Episcopal Church at Blackfoot, >> ID, but the phne number given on the Website apparently is no longer valid, >> so I am kind of "stuck", again... Maybe it isn't the "right" church after >> all? Any suggestions anyone? >>> >>> Or has anyone found other newspaper items about William H. O'Brien in >> Idaho that can help? >>> >>> Thanks again to everyone for your great assistance in this matter! >>> >>> Very sincerely yours, >>> >>> Lars E. Oyane >>> >>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >>> >>> On Feb 22, 2015, at 11:33 AM, Kathy Hines wrote: >>> >>>> Dear Lars, >>>> >>>> That must be this family from Baltimore, MD. Everybody only aged about >> 7 years in the intervening 10 years. >>>> >>>> Page No. 467 >>>> Schedule 1 - Inhabitants in the Eighteenth Ward, in the City of >> Baltimore, State of Maryland, enumerated by me on the 19th day of August, >> 1870. >>>> Post Office: Baltimore, MD >>>> (must be a duplex? The Patrick (29) and Anna (24) McGainey family live >> in HH 2827 as well.) >>>> 3605 OBrien William, 43, m, w, Laborer, Ireland, cannot write, male >> citizen of the U.S. >>>> Bridget, 43, f, w, Ireland, cannot read or write >>>> Mary A, 12, f, w, Md >>>> James, 3/12, m, w, Md, b. Mch >>>> Catharine, 8, f, w, Md, attended school within the year >>>> Bridget, 6, f, w, Md, attended school within the year >>>> William, 5, m, w, Md >>>> >>>> I looked for Baltimore births on ancestry.com, but there seems to be a >> great shortage of them. :) >>>> >>>> >>>> I tried looking up the parents on findagrave, in the hopes that a >> parents’ obit might say where their children were. But I was really >> shocked to see how many Bridget O’Briens there were in Holy Cross Catholic >> Cemetery in San Mateo county. I quit counting at 21! >>>> >>>> I struck out finding James O’Brien b. March 1870 in MD on the the 1900 >> California census. I didn’t find a likely Wm/Bridget either. Though they >> would have been about 73 by 1900 and may have already passed away by that >> time. >>>> >>>> It’s possible that this was Catherine’s marriage. She would have been >> about 26 by this time. >>>> NAME: Catherine O'Brien >>>> SPOUSE: Thomas Joseph Honigan >>>> MARRIAGE: 12 Nov 1888 - San Francisco >>>> >>>> I wonder if the obits for any of the family members of *this* William >> O’Brien would mention him being in Idaho? >>>> >>>> Kathy >>>> >>>> >>>>> On Feb 22, 2015, at 4:16 AM, Lars E. Oyane <lars.e.oyane@sdsl.no> >> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Dear Kathy and other Listers! >>>>> >>>>> Thank you very much, Kathy, for your latest comments on my William H. >> O'Brien problem! >>>>> >>>>> I hadn't thought of checking out that marriage record before as far as >> church records are concerned. They were married by the Curator of the St. >> Paul P.E. Church at Blackfoot, ID, but can you tell me which church that >> may be? A Curator is a certain degree of Priest in the Catholic church, >> while P.E. church appears to refer to Episcopal church. At Blackfoot, ID >> today there is just one St. Paul church, and that is: St Pauls Episcopal >> Church, 72 N Shilling Ave, Blackfoot, ID (208)785-4474. I found an >> e-mail address and wrote a message, but it bounced back, so must no longer >> be good... I'll try to call them during the week... (Hopefully it's the >> "right" church) >>>>> >>>>> Then you have the San Francisco, CA voter list from 1890, which I >> hadn't see before. Now, that William O'Brien does NOT show up in any >> census records from 1900, 1910 or 1920 in California, but I suspect he be >> part of this family from San Francisco, CA 1880: >>>>> >>>>> O'Brien, William 50 laborer Ire Ire Ire >>>>> O'Brien, Bridget 46 wife keeping house Ire Ire Ire >>>>> O'Brien, Mary Ann 20 daughter boarder MD Ire Ire >>>>> O'Brien, Elizabeth 15 daughter boarder MD Ire Ire >>>>> O'Brien, William 13 son driver of wagon MD Ire Ire >>>>> O'Brien, James 7 son at school MD Ire Ire >>>>> >>>>> I find the family living 1870 in Baltimore, MD; the ages a little bit >> off, but still with both parents born in Ireland! >>>>> >>>>> This William O'Brien is probably the same one as the one from the >> voter list, but can he be the one who shows up in Idaho? >>>>> >>>>> Thanks again for your great assistance in this matter! I don't easily >> give up! >>>>> >>>>> Very sincerely yours, >>>>> >>>>> Lars E. Oyane >>>>> >>>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >>>>> >>>>> On Feb 22, 2015, at 2:21 AM, Kathy Hines via wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Somebody may have already posted this and I’m just behind the times >> again. :) Just in case you haven’t seen this yet: >>>>>> >>>>>> California, Great Registers >>>>>> Name: William O'Brien < >> https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/VTXW-WBT> >>>>>> Event Type: Voter Registration >>>>>> Event Date: 1890 >>>>>> Event Place: Silver Av Merr & Brnold, San Francisco, >> California, United States >>>>>> Age: 22 >>>>>> Birth Year (Estimated): 1868 >>>>>> Birthplace: Maryland >>>>>> GS Film number: 977642 < >> https://familysearch.org/search/record/results?count=20&query=%2Bfilm_number%3A977642> >> , Digital Folder Number: 005030282 < >> https://familysearch.org/search/record/results?count=20&query=%2Bfilm_number%3A005030282> >> , Image Number: 00205 >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Feb 21, 2015, at 11:50 PM, Kathy Hines via <norway@rootsweb.com> >> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks, Lars. I glanced at that county record book for the >> marriages and I wonder if St Paul’s Church might not have a more detailed >> record of their backgrounds. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I also looked at his death record on famiysearch.org < >> http://famiysearch.org/>. The informant was the Secretary of the >> Pocatello Elks Club. Maybe you can contact them and see if they have any >> information or history of early members of the club: >>>>>>> http://www.elks.org/lodges/ContactUs.cfm?LodgeNumber=0674 < >> http://www.elks.org/lodges/ContactUs.cfm?LodgeNumber=0674> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Kathy >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Feb 21, 2015, at 5:11 PM, Lars E. Oyane via <norway@rootsweb.com> >> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Dear Kathy and other Listers! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thank you very much, Kathy, for your latest comment on William H. >> O'Brien. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> When I read your message, I am wondering whether you read this >> posting that I made a week ago: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Dear Listers, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I have another "challenge" for you today: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Peder Aamundson from Sogndal Co., Norway (1837-1921) and wife >> Christine Peterson from Hafslo parish, Luster Co., Norway (1850-1927), >> pioneer ranchers in Lemhi Co., ID, had a son-in-law that I am having >> difficulties identifying: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> William H. O'Brien >>>>>>>> supposedly born in Maryland Feb. 17, 1867 >>>>>>>> died at Pocatello, ID Jan. 27, 1925 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> William was a lawyer and presumably must have studied law at some >> university in or near Maryland!? Or maybe he studied somewhere else?? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Documentations: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> * 1900 census for Boise, Ada Co., ID shown William H. O'Brien born >> Feb. 1867 in MD, parents born in VA and NY, a single lawyer. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> * 1910 census for Salmon, Lemhi Co., ID shows William H. O'Brien. >> aged 42 (MD 1868), parents born in VA and NY, a single lawyer - county >> attorney >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> * 1920 census for Pocatello, Bannock Co., ID shows William H. >> O'Brien, aged 52 (MD 1867), parents born in VA and NY, married, lawyer - >> retired attorney >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> * 1925 death certificate from Pocatello, ID shows William H. >> O'Brien, lawyer, born in MD Feb. 17, 1867 - parents unknown >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> William appears to be rather "consistent" in regard to place of >> birth, since the parents are said to be born in VA and NY in all three >> censuses, and yet: I have so far not been able to find William anywhere in >> the 1870 or 1880 censuses! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ** Can anyone help me find William H. in the 1870 and/or 1880 >> censuses, i.e. exact place of his birth? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ** How about his middle name, H....? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ** Maybe William's student record can be found, i.e. where did he >> go to law-school? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thanks a million in advance for your great assistance in this >> matter! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Very sincerely yours, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Lars E. Oyane >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Here I have included all I know about William H. O'Brien. As you >> see, there are absolutely NO suggestions that he was born in Scotland, and >> if you search the census records from 1900, 1910, 1920 and 1930 you find NO >> William O'Briens in the state of IDAHO born in SCOTLAND, and then >> definitely none that are lawyers! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I have no obituaries describing him, but I have been in contact >> with relatives of his wife Clara's and have put together this biography for >> Clara: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> "Clara Julia Amonson, born in Lemhi Co., ID Jan. 18, 1874, died at >> Blackfoot, ID Sep. 6, 1954. She was a school teacher, but married 1st time >> at Palo Alto, CA Oct 14, 1900 to James Arthur aka Arthur Diggles, born in >> Siskiyou Co., CA Aug. 10, 1871. He was a mining engineer, and the couple >> resided at Broken Hill, NSW, Australia. Arthur died at Largs Bay near >> Adelaide, Australia May 14, 1910, and in 1911 Clara returned to Idaho. She >> remarried at Blackfoot, ID on Aug. 30, 1915 to William H. O'Brien, our >> subject, born in MD Feb. 17, 1867. He died at Pocatello, ID Jan. 27, >> 1925. William was a lawyer and for a while Lemhi Co. lawyer, while Clara >> for a while was Lemhi Co. Superintendant of Schools. She taught school >> various places in MT and ID. One daughter from her 1st marriage died >> without descendants." >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I am unable to find Clara in the 1920 census, but in 1920 William >> was said to be married and living alone in Pocatello, ID! It may seem like >> they separated or divorced, since by 1930 Clara "widowed" was listed as >> Clara Diggles in the Montana census, and that's the name she used when she >> died in 1954! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I am unable to produce other evidence, but do hope that William H. >> O'Brien's origin can be found! Thanks a million! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Very sincerely yours, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Lars E. Oyane >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Feb 21, 2015, at 3:43 PM, Kathy Hines via wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> William O’Brien is a very common name around the U.S. Just out of >> curiosity I checked the MN Death Index and found 81 of them. We even have >> a Wm O’Brien state park in Washington county. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I would hazard a guess that there is more than one lawyer by the >> name of Wm O’Brien. Most likely the one from Scotland and the one from >> Maryland are probably not the same guy. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> You mentioned that the Wm O’Brien that you seek was a son-in-law. >> Is that right? Then can you tell us more about the woman he married and >> her family? Is there an obit for a family member that names him? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Kathy >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Feb 21, 2015, at 11:54 AM, Lars E. Oyane via < >> norway@rootsweb.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Dear Greg, Mark and other Listers! >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Thank you very much to both of you for sending me the article on >> Judge O'Brien, Greg offline and Mark with a transcript! I have read it >> with great interest. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> However, I was disappointed it didn't include any information at >> all about William's background or surviving relatives. So then there is a >> question; can possibly other articles be found about this Idaho Judge? The >> 1900, 1910 and 1920 census records all claim he was a native of Maryland >> with parents born in VA and NY respectively, while one obituary says he was >> born in Scotland and attended the University of Edinburgh! >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> So - indeed conflicting information!!? What is correct? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Thanks again for your great assistance in this matter! >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Very sincerely yours, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Lars E. Oyane >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Feb 20, 2015, at 8:06 PM, Mark Erickson via wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Friday, February 6, 1925 >>>>>>>>>>> Afton Star Valley Independent >>>>>>>>>>> JUDGE O’BRIEN PASSES BEYOND A great many people in Star Valley >> will ? grieved to learn of the death last week of Judge W. H O’Brien. Judge >> O’Brien came into the valley two or three years ago in connection with the >> Oil Company and while here made many sincere friends owing to his honest >> and sincere desire to help those who were less fortunate than himself. >> Judge O'Brien has been ill for several years but seemed to improve when in >> the valley, owing to high altitude and plenty of fresh air. He spent a few >> months in the valley last fall, and it seemed to be the ambition of his >> life to make our oil company’s successful. The Judge held the love and >> respect of all whom he came in contact with, and we are indeed sorry to >> hear of his passing. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I’ll see if I can find anything else. >>>>>>>>>>>

Have you looked for a church website? Sometimes small parishes are not staffed full time. Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 25, 2015, at 5:39 AM, "Lars E. Oyane via" <norway@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > Dear Kathy and other Listers! > > Thank you very much, Kathy, for you latest message with the O'Brien family from the 1870 census for Baltimore, MD. I am still not convinced this be the "right" family, but it must be the same as the one found in San Francisco, CA in 1880. > > Now, I have tried to reach the St. Pauls Episcopal Church at Blackfoot, ID, but the phne number given on the Website apparently is no longer valid, so I am kind of "stuck", again... Maybe it isn't the "right" church after all? Any suggestions anyone? > > Or has anyone found other newspaper items about William H. O'Brien in Idaho that can help? > > Thanks again to everyone for your great assistance in this matter! > > Very sincerely yours, > > Lars E. Oyane > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > >> On Feb 22, 2015, at 11:33 AM, Kathy Hines wrote: >> >> Dear Lars, >> >> That must be this family from Baltimore, MD. Everybody only aged about 7 years in the intervening 10 years. >> >> Page No. 467 >> Schedule 1 - Inhabitants in the Eighteenth Ward, in the City of Baltimore, State of Maryland, enumerated by me on the 19th day of August, 1870. >> Post Office: Baltimore, MD >> (must be a duplex? The Patrick (29) and Anna (24) McGainey family live in HH 2827 as well.) >> 3605 OBrien William, 43, m, w, Laborer, Ireland, cannot write, male citizen of the U.S. >> Bridget, 43, f, w, Ireland, cannot read or write >> Mary A, 12, f, w, Md >> James, 3/12, m, w, Md, b. Mch >> Catharine, 8, f, w, Md, attended school within the year >> Bridget, 6, f, w, Md, attended school within the year >> William, 5, m, w, Md >> >> I looked for Baltimore births on ancestry.com, but there seems to be a great shortage of them. :) >> >> >> I tried looking up the parents on findagrave, in the hopes that a parents’ obit might say where their children were. But I was really shocked to see how many Bridget O’Briens there were in Holy Cross Catholic Cemetery in San Mateo county. I quit counting at 21! >> >> I struck out finding James O’Brien b. March 1870 in MD on the the 1900 California census. I didn’t find a likely Wm/Bridget either. Though they would have been about 73 by 1900 and may have already passed away by that time. >> >> It’s possible that this was Catherine’s marriage. She would have been about 26 by this time. >> NAME: Catherine O'Brien >> SPOUSE: Thomas Joseph Honigan >> MARRIAGE: 12 Nov 1888 - San Francisco >> >> I wonder if the obits for any of the family members of *this* William O’Brien would mention him being in Idaho? >> >> Kathy >> >> >>> On Feb 22, 2015, at 4:16 AM, Lars E. Oyane <lars.e.oyane@sdsl.no> wrote: >>> >>> Dear Kathy and other Listers! >>> >>> Thank you very much, Kathy, for your latest comments on my William H. O'Brien problem! >>> >>> I hadn't thought of checking out that marriage record before as far as church records are concerned. They were married by the Curator of the St. Paul P.E. Church at Blackfoot, ID, but can you tell me which church that may be? A Curator is a certain degree of Priest in the Catholic church, while P.E. church appears to refer to Episcopal church. At Blackfoot, ID today there is just one St. Paul church, and that is: St Pauls Episcopal Church, 72 N Shilling Ave, Blackfoot, ID (208)785-4474. I found an e-mail address and wrote a message, but it bounced back, so must no longer be good... I'll try to call them during the week... (Hopefully it's the "right" church) >>> >>> Then you have the San Francisco, CA voter list from 1890, which I hadn't see before. Now, that William O'Brien does NOT show up in any census records from 1900, 1910 or 1920 in California, but I suspect he be part of this family from San Francisco, CA 1880: >>> >>> O'Brien, William 50 laborer Ire Ire Ire >>> O'Brien, Bridget 46 wife keeping house Ire Ire Ire >>> O'Brien, Mary Ann 20 daughter boarder MD Ire Ire >>> O'Brien, Elizabeth 15 daughter boarder MD Ire Ire >>> O'Brien, William 13 son driver of wagon MD Ire Ire >>> O'Brien, James 7 son at school MD Ire Ire >>> >>> I find the family living 1870 in Baltimore, MD; the ages a little bit off, but still with both parents born in Ireland! >>> >>> This William O'Brien is probably the same one as the one from the voter list, but can he be the one who shows up in Idaho? >>> >>> Thanks again for your great assistance in this matter! I don't easily give up! >>> >>> Very sincerely yours, >>> >>> Lars E. Oyane >>> >>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >>> >>>> On Feb 22, 2015, at 2:21 AM, Kathy Hines via wrote: >>>> >>>> Somebody may have already posted this and I’m just behind the times again. :) Just in case you haven’t seen this yet: >>>> >>>> California, Great Registers >>>> Name: William O'Brien <https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/VTXW-WBT> >>>> Event Type: Voter Registration >>>> Event Date: 1890 >>>> Event Place: Silver Av Merr & Brnold, San Francisco, California, United States >>>> Age: 22 >>>> Birth Year (Estimated): 1868 >>>> Birthplace: Maryland >>>> GS Film number: 977642 <https://familysearch.org/search/record/results?count=20&query=%2Bfilm_number%3A977642> , Digital Folder Number: 005030282 <https://familysearch.org/search/record/results?count=20&query=%2Bfilm_number%3A005030282> , Image Number: 00205 >>>> >>>> >>>>> On Feb 21, 2015, at 11:50 PM, Kathy Hines via <norway@rootsweb.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Thanks, Lars. I glanced at that county record book for the marriages and I wonder if St Paul’s Church might not have a more detailed record of their backgrounds. >>>>> >>>>> I also looked at his death record on famiysearch.org <http://famiysearch.org/>. The informant was the Secretary of the Pocatello Elks Club. Maybe you can contact them and see if they have any information or history of early members of the club: >>>>> http://www.elks.org/lodges/ContactUs.cfm?LodgeNumber=0674 <http://www.elks.org/lodges/ContactUs.cfm?LodgeNumber=0674> >>>>> >>>>> Kathy >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> On Feb 21, 2015, at 5:11 PM, Lars E. Oyane via <norway@rootsweb.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Dear Kathy and other Listers! >>>>>> >>>>>> Thank you very much, Kathy, for your latest comment on William H. O'Brien. >>>>>> >>>>>> When I read your message, I am wondering whether you read this posting that I made a week ago: >>>>>> >>>>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >>>>>> >>>>>> Dear Listers, >>>>>> >>>>>> I have another "challenge" for you today: >>>>>> >>>>>> Peder Aamundson from Sogndal Co., Norway (1837-1921) and wife Christine Peterson from Hafslo parish, Luster Co., Norway (1850-1927), pioneer ranchers in Lemhi Co., ID, had a son-in-law that I am having difficulties identifying: >>>>>> >>>>>> William H. O'Brien >>>>>> supposedly born in Maryland Feb. 17, 1867 >>>>>> died at Pocatello, ID Jan. 27, 1925 >>>>>> >>>>>> William was a lawyer and presumably must have studied law at some university in or near Maryland!? Or maybe he studied somewhere else?? >>>>>> >>>>>> Documentations: >>>>>> >>>>>> * 1900 census for Boise, Ada Co., ID shown William H. O'Brien born Feb. 1867 in MD, parents born in VA and NY, a single lawyer. >>>>>> >>>>>> * 1910 census for Salmon, Lemhi Co., ID shows William H. O'Brien. aged 42 (MD 1868), parents born in VA and NY, a single lawyer - county attorney >>>>>> >>>>>> * 1920 census for Pocatello, Bannock Co., ID shows William H. O'Brien, aged 52 (MD 1867), parents born in VA and NY, married, lawyer - retired attorney >>>>>> >>>>>> * 1925 death certificate from Pocatello, ID shows William H. O'Brien, lawyer, born in MD Feb. 17, 1867 - parents unknown >>>>>> >>>>>> William appears to be rather "consistent" in regard to place of birth, since the parents are said to be born in VA and NY in all three censuses, and yet: I have so far not been able to find William anywhere in the 1870 or 1880 censuses! >>>>>> >>>>>> ** Can anyone help me find William H. in the 1870 and/or 1880 censuses, i.e. exact place of his birth? >>>>>> >>>>>> ** How about his middle name, H....? >>>>>> >>>>>> ** Maybe William's student record can be found, i.e. where did he go to law-school? >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks a million in advance for your great assistance in this matter! >>>>>> >>>>>> Very sincerely yours, >>>>>> >>>>>> Lars E. Oyane >>>>>> >>>>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >>>>>> >>>>>> Here I have included all I know about William H. O'Brien. As you see, there are absolutely NO suggestions that he was born in Scotland, and if you search the census records from 1900, 1910, 1920 and 1930 you find NO William O'Briens in the state of IDAHO born in SCOTLAND, and then definitely none that are lawyers! >>>>>> >>>>>> I have no obituaries describing him, but I have been in contact with relatives of his wife Clara's and have put together this biography for Clara: >>>>>> >>>>>> "Clara Julia Amonson, born in Lemhi Co., ID Jan. 18, 1874, died at Blackfoot, ID Sep. 6, 1954. She was a school teacher, but married 1st time at Palo Alto, CA Oct 14, 1900 to James Arthur aka Arthur Diggles, born in Siskiyou Co., CA Aug. 10, 1871. He was a mining engineer, and the couple resided at Broken Hill, NSW, Australia. Arthur died at Largs Bay near Adelaide, Australia May 14, 1910, and in 1911 Clara returned to Idaho. She remarried at Blackfoot, ID on Aug. 30, 1915 to William H. O'Brien, our subject, born in MD Feb. 17, 1867. He died at Pocatello, ID Jan. 27, 1925. William was a lawyer and for a while Lemhi Co. lawyer, while Clara for a while was Lemhi Co. Superintendant of Schools. She taught school various places in MT and ID. One daughter from her 1st marriage died without descendants." >>>>>> >>>>>> I am unable to find Clara in the 1920 census, but in 1920 William was said to be married and living alone in Pocatello, ID! It may seem like they separated or divorced, since by 1930 Clara "widowed" was listed as Clara Diggles in the Montana census, and that's the name she used when she died in 1954! >>>>>> >>>>>> I am unable to produce other evidence, but do hope that William H. O'Brien's origin can be found! Thanks a million! >>>>>> >>>>>> Very sincerely yours, >>>>>> >>>>>> Lars E. Oyane >>>>>> >>>>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Feb 21, 2015, at 3:43 PM, Kathy Hines via wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> William O’Brien is a very common name around the U.S. Just out of curiosity I checked the MN Death Index and found 81 of them. We even have a Wm O’Brien state park in Washington county. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I would hazard a guess that there is more than one lawyer by the name of Wm O’Brien. Most likely the one from Scotland and the one from Maryland are probably not the same guy. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> You mentioned that the Wm O’Brien that you seek was a son-in-law. Is that right? Then can you tell us more about the woman he married and her family? Is there an obit for a family member that names him? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Kathy >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Feb 21, 2015, at 11:54 AM, Lars E. Oyane via <norway@rootsweb.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Dear Greg, Mark and other Listers! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thank you very much to both of you for sending me the article on Judge O'Brien, Greg offline and Mark with a transcript! I have read it with great interest. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> However, I was disappointed it didn't include any information at all about William's background or surviving relatives. So then there is a question; can possibly other articles be found about this Idaho Judge? The 1900, 1910 and 1920 census records all claim he was a native of Maryland with parents born in VA and NY respectively, while one obituary says he was born in Scotland and attended the University of Edinburgh! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> So - indeed conflicting information!!? What is correct? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thanks again for your great assistance in this matter! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Very sincerely yours, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Lars E. Oyane >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Feb 20, 2015, at 8:06 PM, Mark Erickson via wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Friday, February 6, 1925 >>>>>>>>> Afton Star Valley Independent >>>>>>>>> JUDGE O’BRIEN PASSES BEYOND A great many people in Star Valley will ? grieved to learn of the death last week of Judge W. H O’Brien. Judge O’Brien came into the valley two or three years ago in connection with the Oil Company and while here made many sincere friends owing to his honest and sincere desire to help those who were less fortunate than himself. Judge O'Brien has been ill for several years but seemed to improve when in the valley, owing to high altitude and plenty of fresh air. He spent a few months in the valley last fall, and it seemed to be the ambition of his life to make our oil company’s successful. The Judge held the love and respect of all whom he came in contact with, and we are indeed sorry to hear of his passing. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I’ll see if I can find anything else. >>>>>>>>> >>> >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORWAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The notes "Stasb.: Trusamf.: Udtrådt intet Samfund Sannsynleg opphaldstad : Næs", "Statsb.: Trusamf.: Sannsynleg opphaldstad : Folden" and "Statsb.: Trusamf.: Sannsynleg opphaldstad : Vardø" appears in the 1900 Census for Markjørden 1859 Flakstad herred . Would this be that the person was absent during the Census taking and at Næs, etc.? Thanks. Earl

You might already have this information, and I don't know if it helps with any of your questions, but here's a few things I found about them. They're both in the book "Centennial history of Lemhi County, Idaho <https://archive.org/details/centennialhistor00lemh>" PAGE 120 • School Superintendents Clara A. Digles 1915-1919 PAGE 218 • Lemhi County Prosecuting Attorney Numerous attorneys have held this position. The position has been a springboard to other positions. William H. O'Brien, 1909-11 16 Jan 1913 Ad in the "Idaho Recorder". W. H. O'BRIEN, Attorney at Law Office with Judge McCracken. Soon to occupy offices in Citizen National Bank Building. 2 Oct 1913 Ad in the "Idaho Recorder". W. H. O'BRIEN, Attorney at Law Office Court House, Salmon, Idaho 29 Dec 1916 Ad in the "Idaho Recorder". O'BRIEN & GLENNON, Attorneys at Law Offices in the I.O.O.F. Bldg., Salmon, Idaho (I.O.O.F = International Order of Odd Fellows) He seems to have a history of working with Oil and Mining Companies. MUSGROVE MINING CO. (District Court, D. Idaho, E. D. July 11, 1916.) In the matter of the bankruptcy of the Musgrove Mining Company, a corporation. O'Brien & Glennon, of Salmon, for Musgrove Mining Co. There's a case from 1919 featuring O'Brien & Glennon, of Salmon, so they were still practicing law together at that time. There are a lot of hits for "O'Brien Glennon" in the Salmon Public Library newspapers link from earlier in this thread. 20 Sep 1918 "Idaho Recorder" Mrs. W. H. O'Brien and daughter Esther Diggles left Tuesday morning for California: Miss Esther to enter Berkley, Mrs. O'Brien will return to Henry, Idaho, to teach. 13 June 1919 "Idaho Recorder" Mrs. Clara Diggles O'Brien and her daughter Esther are home in Salmon, the mother from Henry and the daughter from the university at Berkley, California. There are several other articles from after his death that refer to her as "Mrs. Clara Diggles O'Brien". On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 7:21 AM, Barbara Young via <norway@rootsweb.com> wrote: > Dear Lars, > > I have not been following this thread closely but it occurs to me that > since this man seems to be traveling across the country, did he work for > a company that had large projects and he would be sent to work in these > places and would stay until the job was finished and then go to the next > project he was sent to? > > All the best > Sincerely, > Barbara in MA > > > On 2/25/2015 12:39 AM, Lars E. Oyane via wrote: > > Dear Kathy and other Listers! > > > > Thank you very much, Kathy, for you latest message with the O'Brien > family from the 1870 census for Baltimore, MD. I am still not convinced > this be the "right" family, but it must be the same as the one found in San > Francisco, CA in 1880. > > > > Now, I have tried to reach the St. Pauls Episcopal Church at Blackfoot, > ID, but the phne number given on the Website apparently is no longer valid, > so I am kind of "stuck", again... Maybe it isn't the "right" church after > all? Any suggestions anyone? > > > > Or has anyone found other newspaper items about William H. O'Brien in > Idaho that can help? > > > > Thanks again to everyone for your great assistance in this matter! > > > > Very sincerely yours, > > > > Lars E. Oyane > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > > On Feb 22, 2015, at 11:33 AM, Kathy Hines wrote: > > > >> Dear Lars, > >> > >> That must be this family from Baltimore, MD. Everybody only aged about > 7 years in the intervening 10 years. > >> > >> Page No. 467 > >> Schedule 1 - Inhabitants in the Eighteenth Ward, in the City of > Baltimore, State of Maryland, enumerated by me on the 19th day of August, > 1870. > >> Post Office: Baltimore, MD > >> (must be a duplex? The Patrick (29) and Anna (24) McGainey family live > in HH 2827 as well.) > >> 3605 OBrien William, 43, m, w, Laborer, Ireland, cannot write, male > citizen of the U.S. > >> Bridget, 43, f, w, Ireland, cannot read or write > >> Mary A, 12, f, w, Md > >> James, 3/12, m, w, Md, b. Mch > >> Catharine, 8, f, w, Md, attended school within the year > >> Bridget, 6, f, w, Md, attended school within the year > >> William, 5, m, w, Md > >> > >> I looked for Baltimore births on ancestry.com, but there seems to be a > great shortage of them. :) > >> > >> > >> I tried looking up the parents on findagrave, in the hopes that a > parents’ obit might say where their children were. But I was really > shocked to see how many Bridget O’Briens there were in Holy Cross Catholic > Cemetery in San Mateo county. I quit counting at 21! > >> > >> I struck out finding James O’Brien b. March 1870 in MD on the the 1900 > California census. I didn’t find a likely Wm/Bridget either. Though they > would have been about 73 by 1900 and may have already passed away by that > time. > >> > >> It’s possible that this was Catherine’s marriage. She would have been > about 26 by this time. > >> NAME: Catherine O'Brien > >> SPOUSE: Thomas Joseph Honigan > >> MARRIAGE: 12 Nov 1888 - San Francisco > >> > >> I wonder if the obits for any of the family members of *this* William > O’Brien would mention him being in Idaho? > >> > >> Kathy > >> > >> > >>> On Feb 22, 2015, at 4:16 AM, Lars E. Oyane <lars.e.oyane@sdsl.no> > wrote: > >>> > >>> Dear Kathy and other Listers! > >>> > >>> Thank you very much, Kathy, for your latest comments on my William H. > O'Brien problem! > >>> > >>> I hadn't thought of checking out that marriage record before as far as > church records are concerned. They were married by the Curator of the St. > Paul P.E. Church at Blackfoot, ID, but can you tell me which church that > may be? A Curator is a certain degree of Priest in the Catholic church, > while P.E. church appears to refer to Episcopal church. At Blackfoot, ID > today there is just one St. Paul church, and that is: St Pauls Episcopal > Church, 72 N Shilling Ave, Blackfoot, ID (208)785-4474. I found an > e-mail address and wrote a message, but it bounced back, so must no longer > be good... I'll try to call them during the week... (Hopefully it's the > "right" church) > >>> > >>> Then you have the San Francisco, CA voter list from 1890, which I > hadn't see before. Now, that William O'Brien does NOT show up in any > census records from 1900, 1910 or 1920 in California, but I suspect he be > part of this family from San Francisco, CA 1880: > >>> > >>> O'Brien, William 50 laborer Ire Ire Ire > >>> O'Brien, Bridget 46 wife keeping house Ire Ire Ire > >>> O'Brien, Mary Ann 20 daughter boarder MD Ire Ire > >>> O'Brien, Elizabeth 15 daughter boarder MD Ire Ire > >>> O'Brien, William 13 son driver of wagon MD Ire Ire > >>> O'Brien, James 7 son at school MD Ire Ire > >>> > >>> I find the family living 1870 in Baltimore, MD; the ages a little bit > off, but still with both parents born in Ireland! > >>> > >>> This William O'Brien is probably the same one as the one from the > voter list, but can he be the one who shows up in Idaho? > >>> > >>> Thanks again for your great assistance in this matter! I don't easily > give up! > >>> > >>> Very sincerely yours, > >>> > >>> Lars E. Oyane > >>> > >>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > >>> > >>> On Feb 22, 2015, at 2:21 AM, Kathy Hines via wrote: > >>> > >>>> Somebody may have already posted this and I’m just behind the times > again. :) Just in case you haven’t seen this yet: > >>>> > >>>> California, Great Registers > >>>> Name: William O'Brien < > https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/VTXW-WBT> > >>>> Event Type: Voter Registration > >>>> Event Date: 1890 > >>>> Event Place: Silver Av Merr & Brnold, San Francisco, > California, United States > >>>> Age: 22 > >>>> Birth Year (Estimated): 1868 > >>>> Birthplace: Maryland > >>>> GS Film number: 977642 < > https://familysearch.org/search/record/results?count=20&query=%2Bfilm_number%3A977642> > , Digital Folder Number: 005030282 < > https://familysearch.org/search/record/results?count=20&query=%2Bfilm_number%3A005030282> > , Image Number: 00205 > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>> On Feb 21, 2015, at 11:50 PM, Kathy Hines via <norway@rootsweb.com> > wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> Thanks, Lars. I glanced at that county record book for the > marriages and I wonder if St Paul’s Church might not have a more detailed > record of their backgrounds. > >>>>> > >>>>> I also looked at his death record on famiysearch.org < > http://famiysearch.org/>. The informant was the Secretary of the > Pocatello Elks Club. Maybe you can contact them and see if they have any > information or history of early members of the club: > >>>>> http://www.elks.org/lodges/ContactUs.cfm?LodgeNumber=0674 < > http://www.elks.org/lodges/ContactUs.cfm?LodgeNumber=0674> > >>>>> > >>>>> Kathy > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>> On Feb 21, 2015, at 5:11 PM, Lars E. Oyane via <norway@rootsweb.com> > wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Dear Kathy and other Listers! > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Thank you very much, Kathy, for your latest comment on William H. > O'Brien. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> When I read your message, I am wondering whether you read this > posting that I made a week ago: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Dear Listers, > >>>>>> > >>>>>> I have another "challenge" for you today: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Peder Aamundson from Sogndal Co., Norway (1837-1921) and wife > Christine Peterson from Hafslo parish, Luster Co., Norway (1850-1927), > pioneer ranchers in Lemhi Co., ID, had a son-in-law that I am having > difficulties identifying: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> William H. O'Brien > >>>>>> supposedly born in Maryland Feb. 17, 1867 > >>>>>> died at Pocatello, ID Jan. 27, 1925 > >>>>>> > >>>>>> William was a lawyer and presumably must have studied law at some > university in or near Maryland!? Or maybe he studied somewhere else?? > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Documentations: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> * 1900 census for Boise, Ada Co., ID shown William H. O'Brien born > Feb. 1867 in MD, parents born in VA and NY, a single lawyer. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> * 1910 census for Salmon, Lemhi Co., ID shows William H. O'Brien. > aged 42 (MD 1868), parents born in VA and NY, a single lawyer - county > attorney > >>>>>> > >>>>>> * 1920 census for Pocatello, Bannock Co., ID shows William H. > O'Brien, aged 52 (MD 1867), parents born in VA and NY, married, lawyer - > retired attorney > >>>>>> > >>>>>> * 1925 death certificate from Pocatello, ID shows William H. > O'Brien, lawyer, born in MD Feb. 17, 1867 - parents unknown > >>>>>> > >>>>>> William appears to be rather "consistent" in regard to place of > birth, since the parents are said to be born in VA and NY in all three > censuses, and yet: I have so far not been able to find William anywhere in > the 1870 or 1880 censuses! > >>>>>> > >>>>>> ** Can anyone help me find William H. in the 1870 and/or 1880 > censuses, i.e. exact place of his birth? > >>>>>> > >>>>>> ** How about his middle name, H....? > >>>>>> > >>>>>> ** Maybe William's student record can be found, i.e. where did he > go to law-school? > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Thanks a million in advance for your great assistance in this > matter! > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Very sincerely yours, > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Lars E. Oyane > >>>>>> > >>>>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Here I have included all I know about William H. O'Brien. As you > see, there are absolutely NO suggestions that he was born in Scotland, and > if you search the census records from 1900, 1910, 1920 and 1930 you find NO > William O'Briens in the state of IDAHO born in SCOTLAND, and then > definitely none that are lawyers! > >>>>>> > >>>>>> I have no obituaries describing him, but I have been in contact > with relatives of his wife Clara's and have put together this biography for > Clara: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> "Clara Julia Amonson, born in Lemhi Co., ID Jan. 18, 1874, died at > Blackfoot, ID Sep. 6, 1954. She was a school teacher, but married 1st time > at Palo Alto, CA Oct 14, 1900 to James Arthur aka Arthur Diggles, born in > Siskiyou Co., CA Aug. 10, 1871. He was a mining engineer, and the couple > resided at Broken Hill, NSW, Australia. Arthur died at Largs Bay near > Adelaide, Australia May 14, 1910, and in 1911 Clara returned to Idaho. She > remarried at Blackfoot, ID on Aug. 30, 1915 to William H. O'Brien, our > subject, born in MD Feb. 17, 1867. He died at Pocatello, ID Jan. 27, > 1925. William was a lawyer and for a while Lemhi Co. lawyer, while Clara > for a while was Lemhi Co. Superintendant of Schools. She taught school > various places in MT and ID. One daughter from her 1st marriage died > without descendants." > >>>>>> > >>>>>> I am unable to find Clara in the 1920 census, but in 1920 William > was said to be married and living alone in Pocatello, ID! It may seem like > they separated or divorced, since by 1930 Clara "widowed" was listed as > Clara Diggles in the Montana census, and that's the name she used when she > died in 1954! > >>>>>> > >>>>>> I am unable to produce other evidence, but do hope that William H. > O'Brien's origin can be found! Thanks a million! > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Very sincerely yours, > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Lars E. Oyane > >>>>>> > >>>>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > >>>>>> > >>>>>> On Feb 21, 2015, at 3:43 PM, Kathy Hines via wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> William O’Brien is a very common name around the U.S. Just out of > curiosity I checked the MN Death Index and found 81 of them. We even have > a Wm O’Brien state park in Washington county. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> I would hazard a guess that there is more than one lawyer by the > name of Wm O’Brien. Most likely the one from Scotland and the one from > Maryland are probably not the same guy. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> You mentioned that the Wm O’Brien that you seek was a son-in-law. > Is that right? Then can you tell us more about the woman he married and > her family? Is there an obit for a family member that names him? > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Kathy > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> On Feb 21, 2015, at 11:54 AM, Lars E. Oyane via < > norway@rootsweb.com> wrote: > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Dear Greg, Mark and other Listers! > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Thank you very much to both of you for sending me the article on > Judge O'Brien, Greg offline and Mark with a transcript! I have read it > with great interest. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> However, I was disappointed it didn't include any information at > all about William's background or surviving relatives. So then there is a > question; can possibly other articles be found about this Idaho Judge? The > 1900, 1910 and 1920 census records all claim he was a native of Maryland > with parents born in VA and NY respectively, while one obituary says he was > born in Scotland and attended the University of Edinburgh! > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> So - indeed conflicting information!!? What is correct? > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Thanks again for your great assistance in this matter! > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Very sincerely yours, > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Lars E. Oyane > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> On Feb 20, 2015, at 8:06 PM, Mark Erickson via wrote: > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Friday, February 6, 1925 > >>>>>>>>> Afton Star Valley Independent > >>>>>>>>> JUDGE O’BRIEN PASSES BEYOND A great many people in Star Valley > will ? grieved to learn of the death last week of Judge W. H O’Brien. Judge > O’Brien came into the valley two or three years ago in connection with the > Oil Company and while here made many sincere friends owing to his honest > and sincere desire to help those who were less fortunate than himself. > Judge O'Brien has been ill for several years but seemed to improve when in > the valley, owing to high altitude and plenty of fresh air. He spent a few > months in the valley last fall, and it seemed to be the ambition of his > life to make our oil company’s successful. The Judge held the love and > respect of all whom he came in contact with, and we are indeed sorry to > hear of his passing. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> I’ll see if I can find anything else. > >>>>>>>>> > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NORWAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NORWAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Dear Lars, I have not been following this thread closely but it occurs to me that since this man seems to be traveling across the country, did he work for a company that had large projects and he would be sent to work in these places and would stay until the job was finished and then go to the next project he was sent to? All the best Sincerely, Barbara in MA On 2/25/2015 12:39 AM, Lars E. Oyane via wrote: > Dear Kathy and other Listers! > > Thank you very much, Kathy, for you latest message with the O'Brien family from the 1870 census for Baltimore, MD. I am still not convinced this be the "right" family, but it must be the same as the one found in San Francisco, CA in 1880. > > Now, I have tried to reach the St. Pauls Episcopal Church at Blackfoot, ID, but the phne number given on the Website apparently is no longer valid, so I am kind of "stuck", again... Maybe it isn't the "right" church after all? Any suggestions anyone? > > Or has anyone found other newspaper items about William H. O'Brien in Idaho that can help? > > Thanks again to everyone for your great assistance in this matter! > > Very sincerely yours, > > Lars E. Oyane > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > On Feb 22, 2015, at 11:33 AM, Kathy Hines wrote: > >> Dear Lars, >> >> That must be this family from Baltimore, MD. Everybody only aged about 7 years in the intervening 10 years. >> >> Page No. 467 >> Schedule 1 - Inhabitants in the Eighteenth Ward, in the City of Baltimore, State of Maryland, enumerated by me on the 19th day of August, 1870. >> Post Office: Baltimore, MD >> (must be a duplex? The Patrick (29) and Anna (24) McGainey family live in HH 2827 as well.) >> 3605 OBrien William, 43, m, w, Laborer, Ireland, cannot write, male citizen of the U.S. >> Bridget, 43, f, w, Ireland, cannot read or write >> Mary A, 12, f, w, Md >> James, 3/12, m, w, Md, b. Mch >> Catharine, 8, f, w, Md, attended school within the year >> Bridget, 6, f, w, Md, attended school within the year >> William, 5, m, w, Md >> >> I looked for Baltimore births on ancestry.com, but there seems to be a great shortage of them. :) >> >> >> I tried looking up the parents on findagrave, in the hopes that a parents’ obit might say where their children were. But I was really shocked to see how many Bridget O’Briens there were in Holy Cross Catholic Cemetery in San Mateo county. I quit counting at 21! >> >> I struck out finding James O’Brien b. March 1870 in MD on the the 1900 California census. I didn’t find a likely Wm/Bridget either. Though they would have been about 73 by 1900 and may have already passed away by that time. >> >> It’s possible that this was Catherine’s marriage. She would have been about 26 by this time. >> NAME: Catherine O'Brien >> SPOUSE: Thomas Joseph Honigan >> MARRIAGE: 12 Nov 1888 - San Francisco >> >> I wonder if the obits for any of the family members of *this* William O’Brien would mention him being in Idaho? >> >> Kathy >> >> >>> On Feb 22, 2015, at 4:16 AM, Lars E. Oyane <lars.e.oyane@sdsl.no> wrote: >>> >>> Dear Kathy and other Listers! >>> >>> Thank you very much, Kathy, for your latest comments on my William H. O'Brien problem! >>> >>> I hadn't thought of checking out that marriage record before as far as church records are concerned. They were married by the Curator of the St. Paul P.E. Church at Blackfoot, ID, but can you tell me which church that may be? A Curator is a certain degree of Priest in the Catholic church, while P.E. church appears to refer to Episcopal church. At Blackfoot, ID today there is just one St. Paul church, and that is: St Pauls Episcopal Church, 72 N Shilling Ave, Blackfoot, ID (208)785-4474. I found an e-mail address and wrote a message, but it bounced back, so must no longer be good... I'll try to call them during the week... (Hopefully it's the "right" church) >>> >>> Then you have the San Francisco, CA voter list from 1890, which I hadn't see before. Now, that William O'Brien does NOT show up in any census records from 1900, 1910 or 1920 in California, but I suspect he be part of this family from San Francisco, CA 1880: >>> >>> O'Brien, William 50 laborer Ire Ire Ire >>> O'Brien, Bridget 46 wife keeping house Ire Ire Ire >>> O'Brien, Mary Ann 20 daughter boarder MD Ire Ire >>> O'Brien, Elizabeth 15 daughter boarder MD Ire Ire >>> O'Brien, William 13 son driver of wagon MD Ire Ire >>> O'Brien, James 7 son at school MD Ire Ire >>> >>> I find the family living 1870 in Baltimore, MD; the ages a little bit off, but still with both parents born in Ireland! >>> >>> This William O'Brien is probably the same one as the one from the voter list, but can he be the one who shows up in Idaho? >>> >>> Thanks again for your great assistance in this matter! I don't easily give up! >>> >>> Very sincerely yours, >>> >>> Lars E. Oyane >>> >>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >>> >>> On Feb 22, 2015, at 2:21 AM, Kathy Hines via wrote: >>> >>>> Somebody may have already posted this and I’m just behind the times again. :) Just in case you haven’t seen this yet: >>>> >>>> California, Great Registers >>>> Name: William O'Brien <https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/VTXW-WBT> >>>> Event Type: Voter Registration >>>> Event Date: 1890 >>>> Event Place: Silver Av Merr & Brnold, San Francisco, California, United States >>>> Age: 22 >>>> Birth Year (Estimated): 1868 >>>> Birthplace: Maryland >>>> GS Film number: 977642 <https://familysearch.org/search/record/results?count=20&query=%2Bfilm_number%3A977642> , Digital Folder Number: 005030282 <https://familysearch.org/search/record/results?count=20&query=%2Bfilm_number%3A005030282> , Image Number: 00205 >>>> >>>> >>>>> On Feb 21, 2015, at 11:50 PM, Kathy Hines via <norway@rootsweb.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Thanks, Lars. I glanced at that county record book for the marriages and I wonder if St Paul’s Church might not have a more detailed record of their backgrounds. >>>>> >>>>> I also looked at his death record on famiysearch.org <http://famiysearch.org/>. The informant was the Secretary of the Pocatello Elks Club. Maybe you can contact them and see if they have any information or history of early members of the club: >>>>> http://www.elks.org/lodges/ContactUs.cfm?LodgeNumber=0674 <http://www.elks.org/lodges/ContactUs.cfm?LodgeNumber=0674> >>>>> >>>>> Kathy >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> On Feb 21, 2015, at 5:11 PM, Lars E. Oyane via <norway@rootsweb.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Dear Kathy and other Listers! >>>>>> >>>>>> Thank you very much, Kathy, for your latest comment on William H. O'Brien. >>>>>> >>>>>> When I read your message, I am wondering whether you read this posting that I made a week ago: >>>>>> >>>>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >>>>>> >>>>>> Dear Listers, >>>>>> >>>>>> I have another "challenge" for you today: >>>>>> >>>>>> Peder Aamundson from Sogndal Co., Norway (1837-1921) and wife Christine Peterson from Hafslo parish, Luster Co., Norway (1850-1927), pioneer ranchers in Lemhi Co., ID, had a son-in-law that I am having difficulties identifying: >>>>>> >>>>>> William H. O'Brien >>>>>> supposedly born in Maryland Feb. 17, 1867 >>>>>> died at Pocatello, ID Jan. 27, 1925 >>>>>> >>>>>> William was a lawyer and presumably must have studied law at some university in or near Maryland!? Or maybe he studied somewhere else?? >>>>>> >>>>>> Documentations: >>>>>> >>>>>> * 1900 census for Boise, Ada Co., ID shown William H. O'Brien born Feb. 1867 in MD, parents born in VA and NY, a single lawyer. >>>>>> >>>>>> * 1910 census for Salmon, Lemhi Co., ID shows William H. O'Brien. aged 42 (MD 1868), parents born in VA and NY, a single lawyer - county attorney >>>>>> >>>>>> * 1920 census for Pocatello, Bannock Co., ID shows William H. O'Brien, aged 52 (MD 1867), parents born in VA and NY, married, lawyer - retired attorney >>>>>> >>>>>> * 1925 death certificate from Pocatello, ID shows William H. O'Brien, lawyer, born in MD Feb. 17, 1867 - parents unknown >>>>>> >>>>>> William appears to be rather "consistent" in regard to place of birth, since the parents are said to be born in VA and NY in all three censuses, and yet: I have so far not been able to find William anywhere in the 1870 or 1880 censuses! >>>>>> >>>>>> ** Can anyone help me find William H. in the 1870 and/or 1880 censuses, i.e. exact place of his birth? >>>>>> >>>>>> ** How about his middle name, H....? >>>>>> >>>>>> ** Maybe William's student record can be found, i.e. where did he go to law-school? >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks a million in advance for your great assistance in this matter! >>>>>> >>>>>> Very sincerely yours, >>>>>> >>>>>> Lars E. Oyane >>>>>> >>>>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >>>>>> >>>>>> Here I have included all I know about William H. O'Brien. As you see, there are absolutely NO suggestions that he was born in Scotland, and if you search the census records from 1900, 1910, 1920 and 1930 you find NO William O'Briens in the state of IDAHO born in SCOTLAND, and then definitely none that are lawyers! >>>>>> >>>>>> I have no obituaries describing him, but I have been in contact with relatives of his wife Clara's and have put together this biography for Clara: >>>>>> >>>>>> "Clara Julia Amonson, born in Lemhi Co., ID Jan. 18, 1874, died at Blackfoot, ID Sep. 6, 1954. She was a school teacher, but married 1st time at Palo Alto, CA Oct 14, 1900 to James Arthur aka Arthur Diggles, born in Siskiyou Co., CA Aug. 10, 1871. He was a mining engineer, and the couple resided at Broken Hill, NSW, Australia. Arthur died at Largs Bay near Adelaide, Australia May 14, 1910, and in 1911 Clara returned to Idaho. She remarried at Blackfoot, ID on Aug. 30, 1915 to William H. O'Brien, our subject, born in MD Feb. 17, 1867. He died at Pocatello, ID Jan. 27, 1925. William was a lawyer and for a while Lemhi Co. lawyer, while Clara for a while was Lemhi Co. Superintendant of Schools. She taught school various places in MT and ID. One daughter from her 1st marriage died without descendants." >>>>>> >>>>>> I am unable to find Clara in the 1920 census, but in 1920 William was said to be married and living alone in Pocatello, ID! It may seem like they separated or divorced, since by 1930 Clara "widowed" was listed as Clara Diggles in the Montana census, and that's the name she used when she died in 1954! >>>>>> >>>>>> I am unable to produce other evidence, but do hope that William H. O'Brien's origin can be found! Thanks a million! >>>>>> >>>>>> Very sincerely yours, >>>>>> >>>>>> Lars E. Oyane >>>>>> >>>>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >>>>>> >>>>>> On Feb 21, 2015, at 3:43 PM, Kathy Hines via wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> William O’Brien is a very common name around the U.S. Just out of curiosity I checked the MN Death Index and found 81 of them. We even have a Wm O’Brien state park in Washington county. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I would hazard a guess that there is more than one lawyer by the name of Wm O’Brien. Most likely the one from Scotland and the one from Maryland are probably not the same guy. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> You mentioned that the Wm O’Brien that you seek was a son-in-law. Is that right? Then can you tell us more about the woman he married and her family? Is there an obit for a family member that names him? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Kathy >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Feb 21, 2015, at 11:54 AM, Lars E. Oyane via <norway@rootsweb.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Dear Greg, Mark and other Listers! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thank you very much to both of you for sending me the article on Judge O'Brien, Greg offline and Mark with a transcript! I have read it with great interest. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> However, I was disappointed it didn't include any information at all about William's background or surviving relatives. So then there is a question; can possibly other articles be found about this Idaho Judge? The 1900, 1910 and 1920 census records all claim he was a native of Maryland with parents born in VA and NY respectively, while one obituary says he was born in Scotland and attended the University of Edinburgh! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> So - indeed conflicting information!!? What is correct? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thanks again for your great assistance in this matter! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Very sincerely yours, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Lars E. Oyane >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Feb 20, 2015, at 8:06 PM, Mark Erickson via wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Friday, February 6, 1925 >>>>>>>>> Afton Star Valley Independent >>>>>>>>> JUDGE O’BRIEN PASSES BEYOND A great many people in Star Valley will ? grieved to learn of the death last week of Judge W. H O’Brien. Judge O’Brien came into the valley two or three years ago in connection with the Oil Company and while here made many sincere friends owing to his honest and sincere desire to help those who were less fortunate than himself. Judge O'Brien has been ill for several years but seemed to improve when in the valley, owing to high altitude and plenty of fresh air. He spent a few months in the valley last fall, and it seemed to be the ambition of his life to make our oil company’s successful. The Judge held the love and respect of all whom he came in contact with, and we are indeed sorry to hear of his passing. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I’ll see if I can find anything else. >>>>>>>>> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORWAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Earl, This is the entry from the 1886 Gardsmatrikkelen... http://www.rhd.uit.no/matrikkel/matrikkel.aspx Choose Nordland, then Check the Box after... "3. Avgrens søkinga til kommuner innenfor hvert valgte fylke:" to bring up the parishes and choose Flakstad. All searches are "begins with" only and what is entered in Gårdsnavn gets searched for in the Brukssnavn as well. Click on the Blue Gardsnavn in the results to see a list of all Bruks of that Gard... MARKEN: Resultat fra søking i gårdsmatrikkelen for 1886 Informasjon om matrikkelgård:•Fylke: Nordland •Kommune: Flakstad •Sogn: Flakstad Sogn •Gårdsnummer: 19 •Gammelt matrikkelnr: 35 •Navn på gård: Marken Antall bruk registrert på matrikkelgården: 1 Bruksnr - 1 Gammelt løpenr - 119 Bruksnavn - Marken Brukers navn - Johannes Hansen Skyld i Mark-Øre - 0-75 Skyld i Daler-Ort-Skilling - 0-1-17-17 Merknad - None BTW: The Gammelt løpenr (119 here) is the Matr. Nr that is listed in the 1865 census... Cliff Lien Alberta, Canada cjl@interbaun.com -----Original Message----- From: Earl Sande via Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2015 11:30 PM To: norway@rootsweb.com Subject: [NOR] Flakstad : #19 Marken - Land Ownership help please Would someone kindly direct me to how to find who owned Farm #19 Marken in Flakstad, particularly during the censuses after 1865? Thanks Earl ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORWAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dear Kathy and other Listers! Thank you very much, Kathy, for you latest message with the O'Brien family from the 1870 census for Baltimore, MD. I am still not convinced this be the "right" family, but it must be the same as the one found in San Francisco, CA in 1880. Now, I have tried to reach the St. Pauls Episcopal Church at Blackfoot, ID, but the phne number given on the Website apparently is no longer valid, so I am kind of "stuck", again... Maybe it isn't the "right" church after all? Any suggestions anyone? Or has anyone found other newspaper items about William H. O'Brien in Idaho that can help? Thanks again to everyone for your great assistance in this matter! Very sincerely yours, Lars E. Oyane ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ On Feb 22, 2015, at 11:33 AM, Kathy Hines wrote: > Dear Lars, > > That must be this family from Baltimore, MD. Everybody only aged about 7 years in the intervening 10 years. > > Page No. 467 > Schedule 1 - Inhabitants in the Eighteenth Ward, in the City of Baltimore, State of Maryland, enumerated by me on the 19th day of August, 1870. > Post Office: Baltimore, MD > (must be a duplex? The Patrick (29) and Anna (24) McGainey family live in HH 2827 as well.) > 3605 OBrien William, 43, m, w, Laborer, Ireland, cannot write, male citizen of the U.S. > Bridget, 43, f, w, Ireland, cannot read or write > Mary A, 12, f, w, Md > James, 3/12, m, w, Md, b. Mch > Catharine, 8, f, w, Md, attended school within the year > Bridget, 6, f, w, Md, attended school within the year > William, 5, m, w, Md > > I looked for Baltimore births on ancestry.com, but there seems to be a great shortage of them. :) > > > I tried looking up the parents on findagrave, in the hopes that a parents’ obit might say where their children were. But I was really shocked to see how many Bridget O’Briens there were in Holy Cross Catholic Cemetery in San Mateo county. I quit counting at 21! > > I struck out finding James O’Brien b. March 1870 in MD on the the 1900 California census. I didn’t find a likely Wm/Bridget either. Though they would have been about 73 by 1900 and may have already passed away by that time. > > It’s possible that this was Catherine’s marriage. She would have been about 26 by this time. > NAME: Catherine O'Brien > SPOUSE: Thomas Joseph Honigan > MARRIAGE: 12 Nov 1888 - San Francisco > > I wonder if the obits for any of the family members of *this* William O’Brien would mention him being in Idaho? > > Kathy > > >> On Feb 22, 2015, at 4:16 AM, Lars E. Oyane <lars.e.oyane@sdsl.no> wrote: >> >> Dear Kathy and other Listers! >> >> Thank you very much, Kathy, for your latest comments on my William H. O'Brien problem! >> >> I hadn't thought of checking out that marriage record before as far as church records are concerned. They were married by the Curator of the St. Paul P.E. Church at Blackfoot, ID, but can you tell me which church that may be? A Curator is a certain degree of Priest in the Catholic church, while P.E. church appears to refer to Episcopal church. At Blackfoot, ID today there is just one St. Paul church, and that is: St Pauls Episcopal Church, 72 N Shilling Ave, Blackfoot, ID (208)785-4474. I found an e-mail address and wrote a message, but it bounced back, so must no longer be good... I'll try to call them during the week... (Hopefully it's the "right" church) >> >> Then you have the San Francisco, CA voter list from 1890, which I hadn't see before. Now, that William O'Brien does NOT show up in any census records from 1900, 1910 or 1920 in California, but I suspect he be part of this family from San Francisco, CA 1880: >> >> O'Brien, William 50 laborer Ire Ire Ire >> O'Brien, Bridget 46 wife keeping house Ire Ire Ire >> O'Brien, Mary Ann 20 daughter boarder MD Ire Ire >> O'Brien, Elizabeth 15 daughter boarder MD Ire Ire >> O'Brien, William 13 son driver of wagon MD Ire Ire >> O'Brien, James 7 son at school MD Ire Ire >> >> I find the family living 1870 in Baltimore, MD; the ages a little bit off, but still with both parents born in Ireland! >> >> This William O'Brien is probably the same one as the one from the voter list, but can he be the one who shows up in Idaho? >> >> Thanks again for your great assistance in this matter! I don't easily give up! >> >> Very sincerely yours, >> >> Lars E. Oyane >> >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> >> On Feb 22, 2015, at 2:21 AM, Kathy Hines via wrote: >> >>> Somebody may have already posted this and I’m just behind the times again. :) Just in case you haven’t seen this yet: >>> >>> California, Great Registers >>> Name: William O'Brien <https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/VTXW-WBT> >>> Event Type: Voter Registration >>> Event Date: 1890 >>> Event Place: Silver Av Merr & Brnold, San Francisco, California, United States >>> Age: 22 >>> Birth Year (Estimated): 1868 >>> Birthplace: Maryland >>> GS Film number: 977642 <https://familysearch.org/search/record/results?count=20&query=%2Bfilm_number%3A977642> , Digital Folder Number: 005030282 <https://familysearch.org/search/record/results?count=20&query=%2Bfilm_number%3A005030282> , Image Number: 00205 >>> >>> >>>> On Feb 21, 2015, at 11:50 PM, Kathy Hines via <norway@rootsweb.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> Thanks, Lars. I glanced at that county record book for the marriages and I wonder if St Paul’s Church might not have a more detailed record of their backgrounds. >>>> >>>> I also looked at his death record on famiysearch.org <http://famiysearch.org/>. The informant was the Secretary of the Pocatello Elks Club. Maybe you can contact them and see if they have any information or history of early members of the club: >>>> http://www.elks.org/lodges/ContactUs.cfm?LodgeNumber=0674 <http://www.elks.org/lodges/ContactUs.cfm?LodgeNumber=0674> >>>> >>>> Kathy >>>> >>>> >>>>> On Feb 21, 2015, at 5:11 PM, Lars E. Oyane via <norway@rootsweb.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Dear Kathy and other Listers! >>>>> >>>>> Thank you very much, Kathy, for your latest comment on William H. O'Brien. >>>>> >>>>> When I read your message, I am wondering whether you read this posting that I made a week ago: >>>>> >>>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >>>>> >>>>> Dear Listers, >>>>> >>>>> I have another "challenge" for you today: >>>>> >>>>> Peder Aamundson from Sogndal Co., Norway (1837-1921) and wife Christine Peterson from Hafslo parish, Luster Co., Norway (1850-1927), pioneer ranchers in Lemhi Co., ID, had a son-in-law that I am having difficulties identifying: >>>>> >>>>> William H. O'Brien >>>>> supposedly born in Maryland Feb. 17, 1867 >>>>> died at Pocatello, ID Jan. 27, 1925 >>>>> >>>>> William was a lawyer and presumably must have studied law at some university in or near Maryland!? Or maybe he studied somewhere else?? >>>>> >>>>> Documentations: >>>>> >>>>> * 1900 census for Boise, Ada Co., ID shown William H. O'Brien born Feb. 1867 in MD, parents born in VA and NY, a single lawyer. >>>>> >>>>> * 1910 census for Salmon, Lemhi Co., ID shows William H. O'Brien. aged 42 (MD 1868), parents born in VA and NY, a single lawyer - county attorney >>>>> >>>>> * 1920 census for Pocatello, Bannock Co., ID shows William H. O'Brien, aged 52 (MD 1867), parents born in VA and NY, married, lawyer - retired attorney >>>>> >>>>> * 1925 death certificate from Pocatello, ID shows William H. O'Brien, lawyer, born in MD Feb. 17, 1867 - parents unknown >>>>> >>>>> William appears to be rather "consistent" in regard to place of birth, since the parents are said to be born in VA and NY in all three censuses, and yet: I have so far not been able to find William anywhere in the 1870 or 1880 censuses! >>>>> >>>>> ** Can anyone help me find William H. in the 1870 and/or 1880 censuses, i.e. exact place of his birth? >>>>> >>>>> ** How about his middle name, H....? >>>>> >>>>> ** Maybe William's student record can be found, i.e. where did he go to law-school? >>>>> >>>>> Thanks a million in advance for your great assistance in this matter! >>>>> >>>>> Very sincerely yours, >>>>> >>>>> Lars E. Oyane >>>>> >>>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >>>>> >>>>> Here I have included all I know about William H. O'Brien. As you see, there are absolutely NO suggestions that he was born in Scotland, and if you search the census records from 1900, 1910, 1920 and 1930 you find NO William O'Briens in the state of IDAHO born in SCOTLAND, and then definitely none that are lawyers! >>>>> >>>>> I have no obituaries describing him, but I have been in contact with relatives of his wife Clara's and have put together this biography for Clara: >>>>> >>>>> "Clara Julia Amonson, born in Lemhi Co., ID Jan. 18, 1874, died at Blackfoot, ID Sep. 6, 1954. She was a school teacher, but married 1st time at Palo Alto, CA Oct 14, 1900 to James Arthur aka Arthur Diggles, born in Siskiyou Co., CA Aug. 10, 1871. He was a mining engineer, and the couple resided at Broken Hill, NSW, Australia. Arthur died at Largs Bay near Adelaide, Australia May 14, 1910, and in 1911 Clara returned to Idaho. She remarried at Blackfoot, ID on Aug. 30, 1915 to William H. O'Brien, our subject, born in MD Feb. 17, 1867. He died at Pocatello, ID Jan. 27, 1925. William was a lawyer and for a while Lemhi Co. lawyer, while Clara for a while was Lemhi Co. Superintendant of Schools. She taught school various places in MT and ID. One daughter from her 1st marriage died without descendants." >>>>> >>>>> I am unable to find Clara in the 1920 census, but in 1920 William was said to be married and living alone in Pocatello, ID! It may seem like they separated or divorced, since by 1930 Clara "widowed" was listed as Clara Diggles in the Montana census, and that's the name she used when she died in 1954! >>>>> >>>>> I am unable to produce other evidence, but do hope that William H. O'Brien's origin can be found! Thanks a million! >>>>> >>>>> Very sincerely yours, >>>>> >>>>> Lars E. Oyane >>>>> >>>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >>>>> >>>>> On Feb 21, 2015, at 3:43 PM, Kathy Hines via wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> William O’Brien is a very common name around the U.S. Just out of curiosity I checked the MN Death Index and found 81 of them. We even have a Wm O’Brien state park in Washington county. >>>>>> >>>>>> I would hazard a guess that there is more than one lawyer by the name of Wm O’Brien. Most likely the one from Scotland and the one from Maryland are probably not the same guy. >>>>>> >>>>>> You mentioned that the Wm O’Brien that you seek was a son-in-law. Is that right? Then can you tell us more about the woman he married and her family? Is there an obit for a family member that names him? >>>>>> >>>>>> Kathy >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Feb 21, 2015, at 11:54 AM, Lars E. Oyane via <norway@rootsweb.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Dear Greg, Mark and other Listers! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thank you very much to both of you for sending me the article on Judge O'Brien, Greg offline and Mark with a transcript! I have read it with great interest. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> However, I was disappointed it didn't include any information at all about William's background or surviving relatives. So then there is a question; can possibly other articles be found about this Idaho Judge? The 1900, 1910 and 1920 census records all claim he was a native of Maryland with parents born in VA and NY respectively, while one obituary says he was born in Scotland and attended the University of Edinburgh! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> So - indeed conflicting information!!? What is correct? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks again for your great assistance in this matter! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Very sincerely yours, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Lars E. Oyane >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Feb 20, 2015, at 8:06 PM, Mark Erickson via wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Friday, February 6, 1925 >>>>>>>> Afton Star Valley Independent >>>>>>>> JUDGE O’BRIEN PASSES BEYOND A great many people in Star Valley will ? grieved to learn of the death last week of Judge W. H O’Brien. Judge O’Brien came into the valley two or three years ago in connection with the Oil Company and while here made many sincere friends owing to his honest and sincere desire to help those who were less fortunate than himself. Judge O'Brien has been ill for several years but seemed to improve when in the valley, owing to high altitude and plenty of fresh air. He spent a few months in the valley last fall, and it seemed to be the ambition of his life to make our oil company’s successful. The Judge held the love and respect of all whom he came in contact with, and we are indeed sorry to hear of his passing. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I’ll see if I can find anything else. >>>>>>>> >> >

Dear Cliff and other Listers! Thanks a million, Cliff, for the two Puyallup/Tacoma, WA obituaries which I just received! They are well informative and wonderful! Very sincerely yours, Lars E. Oyane ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ On Feb 24, 2015, at 7:50 PM, Cliff M wrote: > Orval and Edith Bratvold Obits sent directly to Lars.......... > > Cliff M > > From: Lars E. Oyane > Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2015 4:25 PM > To: norway@rootsweb.com > Cc: Cliff M > Subject: Re: [NOR] Obituary assistance Puyallup and Brinnon, WA, please? > > Dear Cliff and other Listers! > > Thank you very much, Cliff, for your offer to get the Puyallup, WA obituaries for me. Whenever you have the time is fine with me! > > Then I hope someone else can help me with the one from Jefferson Co., WA... > > Very sincerely yours, > > Lars E. Oyane > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > On Feb 22, 2015, at 6:55 PM, Cliff M via wrote: > >> Lars, this is the link to Tacoma Public library Obits held in the Northwest >> room, it is just index, they >> have never had full obits. >> http://search.tacomapubliclibrary.org/obits/default.asp?bisc=1 >> Orval is listed with obit 23 Nov 1986, Edith 26 Nov 1973, If you want to >> wait for a few days I can >> run into the library next week and get those 2 for you. >> >> Cliff M >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Lars E. Oyane via >> Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2015 3:17 PM >> To: norway@rootsweb.com >> Subject: [NOR] Obituary assistance Puyallup and Brinnon, WA, please? >> >> Dear Listers! >> >> Can someone please help me locate these obituaries from Washington state? >> >> * Orval Gordon Bratvold, died at Puyallup, Pierce Co., WA Nov. 21, 1886. >> >> * Edith Selma Bratvold (nee Melheim), died at Puyallup, Pierce Co., WA Nov. >> 26, 1973. >> >> * Helen Mae Melheim nee Bartley), died at Brinnon, Jefferson Co., WA Feb. >> 19, 1984. >> >> At least the former two should be available at the Tacoma Public Library, if >> they were only back online... >> >> Hopefully some online newspaper databases can help? >> >> Thanks a million for your great assistance in this matter! >> >> Very sincerely yours, >> >> Lars E. Oyane >> >>

Would someone kindly direct me to how to find who owned Farm #19 Marken in Flakstad, particularly during the censuses after 1865? Thanks Earl

Hello Jeanne They are "masters" in bad handwritings there in Støren!!! Yes, I remember seen that at the baptism of Anders Christiansen was mentioned that the father was a bachelor (Ungekarl). But it was very badly written and very hard to read, so I did not pay attention to that fact. Here is information about the Støren church: I suppose it is this one where Anders was baptised in 1818 <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St%C3%B8ren_Church> Kind regards Reina -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- From: Jeanne S via Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2015 9:11 PM To: norway@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NOR] Anders Christiansen (Renaa) Oxstad b. 1818 - Horg in Støren As a followup, here is the marriage of Anders' father and mother, Christian Svendsen and Guri Jonsdattr. This further solidifies their names/spelling, per Bev earlier. They apparently married two years after the birth of their son Anders Christiansen (b. 1818), which was not at all unusual, I think. Source information: Sør-Trøndelag county, Horg in Støren, Parish register copy nr. 692C03 (1816-1833), Marriage records 1820, page 203. Permanent pagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=16242&idx_id=16242&uid=ny&idx_side=-85 As a point of interest, I have a very interesting book that a relative gave me several years ago--which I have never read until now. I would highly recommend it as an insight into traditions, customs and conditions in Norway during the 1800's. The title is, "Between Rocks and Hard Places". Mine is a paperback, so likely not too expensive, and it is written interestingly. The author is Ann Urness Gesme, published in 1993. I am sure it could be ordered online. Very interesting reading, IMO. :)Jeanne > To: cjl@interbaun.com; norway@rootsweb.com > Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2015 16:52:34 +0000 > Subject: Re: [NOR] Anders Christiansen (Renaa) Oxstad b. 1818 - Horg in > Storen > From: norway@rootsweb.com > > Oh that is so nice.......I was just going to attempt to find their > marriage, and here you are with it for me. I am very grateful!!! Thanks, > too, for the different farm names......that would have been beyond me, I > think. > Yes, family stories indicate Peder was a half-brother to Gurina (my > great-grandmother) and Agneta--he was Sigri's son from a previous > alliance, before her marriage to Anders Christiansen. > Thank you!!!Jeanne > > > From: cjl@interbaun.com > > To: norsky123@hotmail.com; norway@rootsweb.com > > Subject: Re: [NOR] Anders Christiansen (Renaa) Oxstad b. 1818 - Horg in > > Storen > > Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2015 08:59:50 -0700 > > > > I think Reina and Bev have the right farms in the 1801 census. > > In the 1886 Matrikkel the farm, Gard 1 in Horg, is spelled Høgsæte > > In 1950 the spelling is Høysæte with the occupants spelling their last > > names > > Høiseth > > > > Anders Christiansen and Sigri Pedersdatter are found here at Oxstad farm > > in > > Selbu in 1865 > > http://gda.arkivverket.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=41&filnamn=f61664&gardpostnr=907&personpostnr=5001&merk=5001#ovre > > > > Jeanne, you need to copy and paste the whole long url to get to the > > right > > farm... > > > > They were married 3 November 1845 in Selbu - a few years after their > > first > > son, Peder, was born. > > Source information: Sør-Trøndelag county, Selbu in Selbu, Parish > > register > > (official) > > nr. 695A06 /1 (1843-1859), Marriage records 1845, page 300. > > Permanent pagelink: > > www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=15709&idx_id=15709&uid=ny&idx_side=-196 > > > > Peder Andersen Draxten born 15 Aug 1842, chr 18 Sep in Selbu > > > > Source information: Sør-Trøndelag county, Selbu in Selbu, Parish > > register > > copy > > nr. 695C05 (1842-1858), Birth and baptism records 1842, page 119. > > Permanent pagelink: > > www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=16319&idx_id=16319&uid=ny&idx_side=-121 > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORWAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

As a followup, here is the marriage of Anders' father and mother, Christian Svendsen and Guri Jonsdattr. This further solidifies their names/spelling, per Bev earlier. They apparently married two years after the birth of their son Anders Christiansen (b. 1818), which was not at all unusual, I think. Source information: Sør-Trøndelag county, Horg in Støren, Parish register copy nr. 692C03 (1816-1833), Marriage records 1820, page 203. Permanent pagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=16242&idx_id=16242&uid=ny&idx_side=-85 As a point of interest, I have a very interesting book that a relative gave me several years ago--which I have never read until now. I would highly recommend it as an insight into traditions, customs and conditions in Norway during the 1800's. The title is, "Between Rocks and Hard Places". Mine is a paperback, so likely not too expensive, and it is written interestingly. The author is Ann Urness Gesme, published in 1993. I am sure it could be ordered online. Very interesting reading, IMO. :)Jeanne > To: cjl@interbaun.com; norway@rootsweb.com > Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2015 16:52:34 +0000 > Subject: Re: [NOR] Anders Christiansen (Renaa) Oxstad b. 1818 - Horg in Storen > From: norway@rootsweb.com > > Oh that is so nice.......I was just going to attempt to find their marriage, and here you are with it for me. I am very grateful!!! Thanks, too, for the different farm names......that would have been beyond me, I think. > Yes, family stories indicate Peder was a half-brother to Gurina (my great-grandmother) and Agneta--he was Sigri's son from a previous alliance, before her marriage to Anders Christiansen. > Thank you!!!Jeanne > > > From: cjl@interbaun.com > > To: norsky123@hotmail.com; norway@rootsweb.com > > Subject: Re: [NOR] Anders Christiansen (Renaa) Oxstad b. 1818 - Horg in Storen > > Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2015 08:59:50 -0700 > > > > I think Reina and Bev have the right farms in the 1801 census. > > In the 1886 Matrikkel the farm, Gard 1 in Horg, is spelled Høgsæte > > In 1950 the spelling is Høysæte with the occupants spelling their last names > > Høiseth > > > > Anders Christiansen and Sigri Pedersdatter are found here at Oxstad farm in > > Selbu in 1865 > > http://gda.arkivverket.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=41&filnamn=f61664&gardpostnr=907&personpostnr=5001&merk=5001#ovre > > > > Jeanne, you need to copy and paste the whole long url to get to the right > > farm... > > > > They were married 3 November 1845 in Selbu - a few years after their first > > son, Peder, was born. > > Source information: Sør-Trøndelag county, Selbu in Selbu, Parish register > > (official) > > nr. 695A06 /1 (1843-1859), Marriage records 1845, page 300. > > Permanent pagelink: > > www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=15709&idx_id=15709&uid=ny&idx_side=-196 > > > > Peder Andersen Draxten born 15 Aug 1842, chr 18 Sep in Selbu > > > > Source information: Sør-Trøndelag county, Selbu in Selbu, Parish register > > copy > > nr. 695C05 (1842-1858), Birth and baptism records 1842, page 119. > > Permanent pagelink: > > www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=16319&idx_id=16319&uid=ny&idx_side=-121 >

I've been off-list for a while working on some projects that have required my full attention, but I wanted to reply to something from back in early January. I posted this comment about tax registration numbers, " As far as tax numbers go, there's no list of what numbers have been assigned to what farms. The numbers have changed so many times there's no point in trying to keep track of them." Since I've had a little bit more time, I'd like to further explain my position as I think it is not "incorrect and misleading" but may be sorely suffering from a lack of context. My explanation is lengthy, but when you are done you may find it to be informative. I've never seen a comprehensive list of all the tax numbers historically assigned to a farm, but that doesn't mean one doesn't exist. I've searched university and archive catalogs in Norway, and asked about it at the Regional Archives in Hamar, and the National Archives in Oslo. Both times I was told no such record exists. That's the basis for my statement there's no comprehensive list. The number assigned to a farm is actually fairly easy to document, which is why I was wondering in the first place if there was a list of all the tax numbers assigned to a farm. According to the entry, Matrikkel, in Norsk Historisk Leksikon (2nd ed., 1991, page 282), the first scheme to assign numbers to the property dates from the 1660s. Prior to that farms were assessed by classification (gårdsklasse) - full-, halv-, and ødegårder and landskyd, which varied from region to region as was assessed as grain, butter, hides, salt, or fish. (NHL p. 246). The article further states the number assigned to the property changed several times. To illustrate this point here is a list of 61 entries for Blessum farm in Vågå, Oppland fylke. The list is comma separated in case you want to copy it to a spreadsheet to examine more closely. The first row is column headings. These entries give the year, the record in which the data was found, the tax number, and the name of the farm or sub-farm/bruk which you will find in later entries. Year,Event,Mtr,Gard/Bosted 1723,Eksaminasjon,13,Blessum 1723,Eksaminasjon,14,Blessum 1723,Matrikkel,13,Blesum 1723,Matrikkel,14,Blesum 1763,Ekstraskatt,13,Blessum 1763,Ekstraskatt,14,Blessum 1801,Census,,Blesom 1801,Census,,Blesom 1812,Panteregister,13,Blæsum søndre 1812,Panteregister,14,Blæsum nordre 1816,Sølvskatten,13,Blæssum 1816,Sølvskatten,14,Blæssum 1838,FJM,22,Blæsum søndre 1838,FJM,23,Blæsum nordre 1865,Census,33b,Sæta 1865,Census,33,Blessum nordre 1865,Census,,Sæta nordre 1865,Census,,Sætalløkken 1865,Census,,Volden 1865,Census,,Blessumøien 1865,Census,,Blessumeiet 1865,Census,,Øyen 1865,Census,,Steenstuen 1865,Census,,Blessumløkken øvre 1865,Census,,Blessum nedre 1865,Census,32,Blessum søndre 1865,Census,,Sæta øvre 1865,Census,,Flaten 1865,Census,,Sæta nedre 1875,Census,32,Blessum søndre 1875,Census,32,Sæta under søndre Blessum 1875,Census,32,Sætaflaten under søndre Blessum 1875,Census,32,Sæta øvre under søndre Blessum 1875,Census,33a 33b,Blessum nedre og Sæta 1875,Census,33a,Øien under Blessum 1875,Census,33a,Øien under Blessum 1875,Census,33a,Øien under Blessum 1875,Census,33a,Blessum løkken 1875,Census,33a,Sunslien under nordre Blessum 1875,Census,33a,Sætaløkken under nordre Blessum 1875,Census,33a,Sæta under nordre Blessum 1875,Census,34,Sundagen under Sunde 1888,RHDTax,32,Blesum søndre 1888,RHDTax,33a,Blesum nordre 1888,RHDTax,33b,Sæta 1900,Census,23,Blessum søndre 1900,Census,under 24,Blessumøien søndre 1900,Census,under 24,Blessumøien nordre 1900,Census,under 24,Blessum nordre 1900,Census,under 24,Blessum øvre 1900,Census,under 24,Blessumløkken 1910,Census,23.1,Blessum 1910,Census,24.1,Blessum 1910,Census,24.2,Sæta 1910,Census,24.5,Stenstuen 1910,Census,24.6,Ekren 1910,Census,24.8,Øien (Kræmmerøien) 1910,Census,24.9,Øien 1910,Census,24.10,Sæta 1910,Census,24.11,Lille-Blessum 1910,Census,24.12,Blessumløkken The FJM referenced with the 1838 date is Fortegnelse over Jordbrugene og deres Matrikulskyld. A government publication giving the "new" and "old" tax numbers. The entries from the 1865 census are listed in the order they appear in the schedule. Entries with no tax number are places on the farm, many of which can be found referenced in the parish registers. The 1801 census does not list a tax number, but I included it to provide a comprehensive presentation of the available census data. Examining the data you will see the tax registration number changed a minimum of four times between 1723 and 1910. If you've made it all the way through this you now have the full context from which I was speaking. And if you've read this far, thank you! Jeff Svare, AG® NOTICE: This email message is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. 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Oh that is so nice.......I was just going to attempt to find their marriage, and here you are with it for me. I am very grateful!!! Thanks, too, for the different farm names......that would have been beyond me, I think. Yes, family stories indicate Peder was a half-brother to Gurina (my great-grandmother) and Agneta--he was Sigri's son from a previous alliance, before her marriage to Anders Christiansen. Thank you!!!Jeanne > From: cjl@interbaun.com > To: norsky123@hotmail.com; norway@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [NOR] Anders Christiansen (Renaa) Oxstad b. 1818 - Horg in Storen > Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2015 08:59:50 -0700 > > I think Reina and Bev have the right farms in the 1801 census. > In the 1886 Matrikkel the farm, Gard 1 in Horg, is spelled Høgsæte > In 1950 the spelling is Høysæte with the occupants spelling their last names > Høiseth > > Anders Christiansen and Sigri Pedersdatter are found here at Oxstad farm in > Selbu in 1865 > http://gda.arkivverket.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=41&filnamn=f61664&gardpostnr=907&personpostnr=5001&merk=5001#ovre > > Jeanne, you need to copy and paste the whole long url to get to the right > farm... > > They were married 3 November 1845 in Selbu - a few years after their first > son, Peder, was born. > Source information: Sør-Trøndelag county, Selbu in Selbu, Parish register > (official) > nr. 695A06 /1 (1843-1859), Marriage records 1845, page 300. > Permanent pagelink: > www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=15709&idx_id=15709&uid=ny&idx_side=-196 > > Peder Andersen Draxten born 15 Aug 1842, chr 18 Sep in Selbu > > Source information: Sør-Trøndelag county, Selbu in Selbu, Parish register > copy > nr. 695C05 (1842-1858), Birth and baptism records 1842, page 119. > Permanent pagelink: > www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=16319&idx_id=16319&uid=ny&idx_side=-121 > > Gurina born 10 Mar 1846 - chr 10 May > Agnetta born 15 Mar 1849 - chr 10 Jun > (From FamilySearch) > >

First, my apologies for not making a correct inquiry.  It's been 5-6 years since I last researched in Norway.  I do remember now that you should include the PAGE link, not the IMAGE link.  And I also am reminded now to use the correct Norwegian letters.   Thanks, Reina. Thank you to both Bev and Reina for their help.  I agree with Bev that the farm name is Einum.  I had wondered if Guri's name was Iversdattr. instead of Joensdattr., but with the 1801 Einum farm census (below), it appears likely that Bev was correct.  Not only does the 1801 census give Guri's name/parents' names, it also contains her paternal grandfather's name.  A real bonus!! Many thanks!  This list is still as good as ever :)  I've done a lot of research in different places, and the Norway list always shines with knowledge and helpfulness. Jeanne ---------------------------------------- > Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2015 10:25:54 +0000 > To: norway@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [NOR] Anders Christiansen (Renaa) Oxstad b. 1818 - Horg in Storen > From: norway@rootsweb.com > > Hi Jeanne - > Between both links that Reina found, I've pieced this together: > Born 8 May 1818, baptized in church 17 May 1818, Anders Christiansen. Parents are Christian Svendsen, gaardmand, residing at Hogstadet and Guri Joensdatter. I can't clearly read the words after Guri's name: "Looks like" Einum pig. gmd. J. > In the 1801 census for the farm Højsæthe, Horrig, Støren Prestegjeld, Sør-Trøndelag, Norway, I think this is Christian Svendsen (age 5) living with his parents, siblings, and hired help (first family grouping). > http://gda.arkivverket.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=8&filnamn=f18011648&gardpostnr=144&merk=144#ovre > New web site link for same family:http://digitalarkivet.arkivverket.no/en-gb/ft/bosted_land/bf01058446003782 > > Also in the 1801 census, there is a farm named Einum, Horrig, Støren Prestegjeld, Sør-Trøndelag, Norway, and a Guri Johnsdatter (age 4) is living with her parents and siblings (first family grouping). Joen and John can sometimes be used interchangeably, depending on who's doing the writing.http://gda.arkivverket.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=24&filnamn=f18011648&gardpostnr=147&merk=147#ovre > > New web site link for same family:http://digitalarkivet.arkivverket.no/en-gb/ft/bosted_land/bf01058446003867 > > Obviously, I may be wrong on the census data and the spelling in the written records (if so, someone needs to jump in with corrections). You will have to confirm or eliminate the info based on what your other research shows. > Also, if you do any searches for Støren Prestegjeld (Kommune in modern definitions), you'll have to spell it correctly. There is a world of difference between Støren and Storen because the three extra vowels are not used interchangeably. Some spelling for some words may change with time (and it did in Norway - about a hundred years later), but for this time period the records are still in Dano-Norsk, spelling is a mixture of phonetic sounds, local dialect, and Danish. Here is the Wikipedia page for Støren:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St%C3%B8ren > > Best Wishes,Bev > > From: nukilik via <norway@rootsweb.com> > > Hello Jeanne > > Could you please do not send a permanent imagelink only, it can'nt be > enlarged and we can not look at other pages. > Send the permanent pagelink please. > > Here is the permanent pagelink of the klokkerbook: Anders Christiansen first > item left side > > Kildeinformasjon: Sør-Trøndelag fylke, Horg i Støren, Klokkerbok nr. 692C03 > (1816-1833), Fødte og døpte 1818, side 9. > Permanent sidelenke: > <http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=16242&idx_id=16242&uid=ny&idx_side=-10> > > And here the permanent pagelink of the ministerialbook: born 7 Mai baptised > 17 Mai in church > > Kildeinformasjon: Sør-Trøndelag fylke, Horg i Støren, Ministerialbok nr. > 692A02 (1816-1842), Fødte og døpte 1818, side 11. > Permanent sidelenke: > <http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=16238&idx_id=16238&uid=ny&idx_side=-12> > > Both books are hard to read. > > Reina > To: NORWAY@rootsweb.com > Subject: [NOR] Anders Christiansen (Renaa) Oxstad b. 1818 - Horg in Storen > > Source information: Sør-Trøndelag county, Horg in Støren, > Parish register (official) nr. 692A02 (1816-1842), Birth and baptism records > 1818, page 11. > Permanent imagelink: > http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:NBN:no-a1450-kb20070910640302.jpg > > I can read Anders Christiansen on the link above and the date of his > birth/baptism--but that's about all. I would be very happy if someone could > translate the rest of the information in this record for me. Who are his > parents, for example. The writing is bad, to make it even worse. > Is there other helpful information I am missing? > > Family records say he was born in Hogset i Horg, Norway. I am assuming the > arkivet record, above, is the same place? > What was Hogset? A farm name? > > I believe Ander's wife was Sigrid Pedersdatr. Draxten, b. Dec 14, 1819 in > Selbu > > Anders had atleast (3) children, who emigrated to Minnesota around 1870: > > Peder (Per) Oxstad/Okstad (b. 1845 in Selbu) > Gurine Andersdtr. Oxstad (b. 1846 in Selbu; m. Henrik Olsen Renaa) > Agneta Andersdtr. Oxstad (b. 1849 in Selbu; m. Bersvend Mickelson Tangvold)