If you are referring to the term klocker I know a little about that. My g-grandfather Sam Gunderson was from Telemark. He studied in Norway before coming to Iowa. He served a kiocker to a dual parish at Rirgeway Iowa, the Madison congregation north of Ridgeway and the Lincoln church, south of Ridgeway near their farm. He lead all the singing, helped the pastor during the service with things like reading the scriptrues, taught confirmation classes, and helped with communion. I had the impression from my grandmother that he was almost like an assistant pastor. I was a paid position, and must have been fairly well paid as he owned a farm and a pretty fancy house for the day. He worked for the same congregation for 50 years...................... Steve -----Original Message----- From: Cliff M via Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2015 1:43 PM To: Norway-List Subject: [NOR] Occupation Hei all, I just have a simple question that I (and maybe others) have wondered about. I have came across a number of my distant relatives who have a occupation of “Church Singer”, I have looked this up and know what they do but would like to know this about it: 1. was it a prestigious occupation with the Church and community? 2. Did they get paid for this occupation, or just volunteer their service? 3. I see only Males, were their any Females? Thank you for the information. Cliff M ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORWAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com

Hi Steinar - I don't have the answer to the problem, but I do know what at least part of the problem is: it's the email program(s). A week or two ago I sent off an email with proper formatting, proper spaces, it came to me all run together, and someone re-sent my reply with proper spacing and paragraph breaks. I think the original formatting on my end had been the Yahoo html default. (This was right after Yahoo changed something about their email program and added stationery ability, so they had html as the default setting.) A few days ago I sent a reply to someone, it had all the proper spacings, I had hit Return/Enter before and after the links, double-spacings between paragraphs - all the normal things for a clear and concise reply. I was extremely dismayed to see my reply to this other person come back to me without proper spaces, the links had been run together so they did not look separate, etc., which is how I've seen other emails from other people, too. The next time I had to answer someone, the default formatting (which is new in Yahoo in the last couple of weeks) is html. Once I composed the email, I highlighted everything and made it plain text. The email that came back looked sensible (it only added one space between two paragraphs that had originally had double spacing, but the rest of it was okay). I'm not at all sure what's up with the thinner emails that have lines that run together without formatting, but part of the problem is in the line length in plain text emails in certain email programs. I know I reset my Yahoo email default program to wrap around and have longer lines across the page than it originally had as the default setting. I'm not even sure how I did it because it was so many years ago, but now the lines go clear across the page instead of wrapping around about halfway across the page (like the email example you sent). It also helps keep the links intact to have the line go clear across the page instead of the short wrap-around. The lack of formatting is what Ancestry's notes section has as their default, no matter what formatting I put in Notes on the trees where I am an editor; that's one reason why I don't put my genealogy info on their site: the formatting does not stay the way I enter it. I don't know how this problem is going to be resolved, but I suspect that some kind of consistency needs to happen in original formatting of everyone's emails that is compatible with the plain text Rootsweb email program. For the record, I've composed this in plain text, I have proper double spacing between paragraphs, the lines go across the screen before they wrap around..., so I hope it arrives in everyone's inbox the way it currently looks on my screen right now. Med vennlig hilsen, Bev ----- Original Message ----- From: Steinar Vissebråten via <norway@rootsweb.com> To: norway@rootsweb.com Cc: Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2015 5:17 AM Subject: [NOR] Question for the group. Hello everyone. As a fond reader of the list I see that I am trashing more and more mails from the group! I don't even care to read them! WHY? The readers of the list and writers to the list don't use any spaces or RETUN in their letters. The whole thing for me seems as an endless page of letters. You really need to look knowing what is the question or answer. I think education was to learn how to tell a story and let others find out the meaning of something.?! I don't know if I am the only one that really have a problem or it is a new way of writing questions and answers! If this contiues I'll consider getting of the list as these mails for me is just nothing. I have no time to get the email I need to adjust before I can read them. I would like to get other opinions about this so we could try to change it before it gets too many of these - to me - nonsence. Below is a sample of what I mean and how it shows up when I open my mails. Thanks for reading. Steinar

Hello everyone. As a fond reader of the list I see that I am trashing more and more mails from the group! I don't even care to read them! WHY? The readers of the list and writers to the list don't use any spaces or RETUN in their letters. The whole thing for me seems as an endless page of letters. You really need to look knowing what is the question or answer. I think education was to learn how to tell a story and let others find out the meaning of something.?! I don't know if I am the only one that really have a problem or it is a new way of writing questions and answers! If this contiues I'll consider getting of the list as these mails for me is just nothing. I have no time to get the email I need to adjust before I can read them. I would like to get other opinions about this so we could try to change it before it gets too many of these - to me - nonsence. Below is a sample of what I mean and how it shows up when I open my mails. Thanks for reading. Steinar Here's a few more: 20 Mar 1896 "Salt Lake Tribune". Judge W. L. Maginnis and W. H. O'Brein returned yesterday from Idaho, where they have been on business. 16 May 1896 "Salt Lake Tribune". Attorney W. H. OBrien is confined to his room with severe attack of neuralgia. 30 Dec. 1916 "Ogden Standard", Utah. MRS. W. H. O'BRIEN HAS BEEN RELEASED. Acting on request of County Attorney Joseph E. Evans, Deputy Sheriff Curtis Allison yesterday located Mrs. W. H. O'Brien at Buhl, Idaho, where her husband is employed. etc. On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 3:49 PM, Mark Erickson <merickson1870@gmail.com> wrote: > Your William was born in MD abt 1867, studied at the University of > Edinburgh, and became a lawyer. Lot of coincindences. > > 10 Jan 1897, "The Salt Lake Tribune", page 18 > William H. O'Brien. > William. H. O'Brien, a Weber county member of the lower house, was born in > Baltimore, Md., in 1866, but at an early age. he was taken by his parents > to India, where his father engaged in commerce on the Irrawady river. He > was sent to Scotland and took a three years' course in the University of > Edinburgh, afterward going to Germany to complete his education. His > health, however, becoming impaired he was obliged to forego his studies and > spend some months in travel, visiting different parts of India and South > Africa. Finally, in 1885, when only 19 years of age, O'Brien came to this > country, locating in western Kansas, where he remained about a year. At > that time he was attracted to Denver by the great boom, and going there > engaged in surveying. About six years of his life were spent in Colorado, > in Denver, Leadville, Aspen and other points, the most of the time being > occupied in surveying, mining and mining engineering. In 1891 he came to > Salt Lake City, where he commenced the study of law, afterward completing > his studies at Ogden. He is now associated with Judge W. L. Maginnis. He > was put on the ticket by the committee on the resignation of W. L. Peyton. > > On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 9:21 AM, Lars E. Oyane via <norway@rootsweb.com> > wrote: > >> Dear Carol, Barbara, Mark and other Listers! >> >> Thank you very much for your latest messages on this topic! >> >> To Carol: Yes, have used the Website of the Parish, and it says nothing >> about business hours. The phone just rings busy all the time... Not >> normal! >> >> To Barbara: No, William O'Brien appears to have "stayed put" after he is >> found in Idaho in 1900, 1910, 1915 (marriage), 1920 and dying in 1925 at >> Pocatello, ID. He was a lawyer! >> >> To Mark: I am most grateful for your efforts "ploughing thru" various >> newspaper items regarding William H. O'Brien, only too bad nowhere are >> listed any relatives of HIS! >> >> The only place where relatives are mentioned, is in that death notice >> from 1925, but the part about the relatives (great niece in Chicago, IL?) >> are so hard to read, I cannot make anything meaningful out of it... >> >> But still there is hope. He must have been from somewhere, if we could >> only find the "right" place to look! >> >> Thanks again for your wonderful assistance! >> >> Very sincerely yours, >> >> Lars E. Oyane >> >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> >> On Feb 25, 2015, at 9:51 AM, Mark Erickson via wrote: >> >> > You might already have this information, and I don't know if it helps >> with >> > any of your questions, but here's a few things I found about them. >> > >> > >> > They're both in the book "Centennial history of Lemhi County, Idaho >> > <https://archive.org/details/centennialhistor00lemh>" >> > >> > PAGE 120 • School Superintendents >> > >> > Clara A. Digles 1915-1919 >> > >> > >> > PAGE 218 • Lemhi County Proseccuting Attorney >> > >> > Numerous attorneys have held this position. The position has been a >> > springboard to other positions. >> > >> > William H. O'Brien, 1909-11 >> > >> > >> > 16 Jan 1913 Ad in the "Idaho Recorder". W. H. O'BRIEN, Attorney at Law >> > >> > Office with Judge McCracken. Soon to occupy offices in Citizen National >> > Bank Building. >> > >> > >> > 2 Oct 1913 Ad in the "Idaho Recorder". W. H. O'BRIEN, Attorney at Law >> > >> > Office Court House, Salmon, Idaho >> > >> > >> > 29 Dec 1916 Ad in the "Idaho Recorder". O'BRIEN & GLENNON, Attorneys >> at Law >> > >> > Offices in the I.O.O.F. Bldg., Salmon, Idaho >> > >> > (I.O.O.F = International Order of Odd Fellows) >> > >> > >> > He seems to have a history of working with Oil and Mining Companies. >> > >> > MUSGROVE MINING CO. >> > >> > (District Court, D. Idaho, E. D. July 11, 1916.) >> > >> > In the matter of the bankruptcy of the Musgrove Mining Company, a >> > corporation. >> > >> > O'Brien & Glennon, of Salmon, for Musgrove Mining Co. >> > >> > >> > There's a case from 1919 featuring O'Brien & Glennon, of Salmon, so they >> > were still practicing law together at that time. There are a lot of hits >> > for "O'Brien Glennon" in the Salmon Public Library newspapers link from >> > earlier in this thread. >> > >> > >> > 20 Sep 1918 "Idaho Recorder" Mrs. W. H. O'Brien and daughter Esther >> > Diggles left Tuesday morning for California: Miss Esther to enter >> Berkley, >> > Mrs. O'Brien will return to Henry, Idaho, to teach. >> > >> > >> > 13 June 1919 "Idaho Recorder" Mrs. Clara Diggles O'Brien and her >> daughter >> > Esther are home in Salmon, the mother from Henry and the daughter from >> the >> > university at Berkley, California. >> > >> > >> > There are several other articles from after his death that refer to her >> as >> > "Mrs. Clara Diggles O'Brien". >> > >> > On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 7:21 AM, Barbara Young via <norway@rootsweb.com >> > >> > wrote: >> > >> >> Dear Lars, >> >> >> >> I have not been following this thread closely but it occurs to me that >> >> since this man seems to be traveling across the country, did he work >> for >> >> a company that had large projects and he would be sent to work in these >> >> places and would stay until the job was finished and then go to the >> next >> >> project he was sent to? >> >> >> >> All the best >> >> Sincerely, >> >> Barbara in MA >> >> >> >> >> >> On 2/25/2015 12:39 AM, Lars E. Oyane via wrote: >> >>> Dear Kathy and other Listers! >> >>> >> >>> Thank you very much, Kathy, for you latest message with the O'Brien >> >> family from the 1870 census for Baltimore, MD. I am still not >> convinced >> >> this be the "right" family, but it must be the same as the one found >> in San >> >> Francisco, CA in 1880. >> >>> >> >>> Now, I have tried to reach the St. Pauls Episcopal Church at >> Blackfoot, >> >> ID, but the phne number given on the Website apparently is no longer >> valid, >> >> so I am kind of "stuck", again... Maybe it isn't the "right" church >> after >> >> all? Any suggestions anyone? >> >>> >> >>> Or has anyone found other newspaper items about William H. O'Brien in >> >> Idaho that can help? >> >>> >> >>> Thanks again to everyone for your great assistance in this matter! >> >>> >> >>> Very sincerely yours, >> >>> >> >>> Lars E. Oyane >> >>> >> >>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> >>> >> >>> On Feb 22, 2015, at 11:33 AM, Kathy Hines wrote: >> >>> >> >>>> Dear Lars, >> >>>> >> >>>> That must be this family from Baltimore, MD. Everybody only aged >> about >> >> 7 years in the intervening 10 years. >> >>>> >> >>>> Page No. 467 >> >>>> Schedule 1 - Inhabitants in the Eighteenth Ward, in the City of >> >> Baltimore, State of Maryland, enumerated by me on the 19th day of >> August, >> >> 1870. >> >>>> Post Office: Baltimore, MD >> >>>> (must be a duplex? The Patrick (29) and Anna (24) McGainey family >> live >> >> in HH 2827 as well.) >> >>>> 3605 OBrien William, 43, m, w, Laborer, Ireland, cannot write, male >> >> citizen of the U.S. >> >>>> Bridget, 43, f, w, Ireland, cannot read or write >> >>>> Mary A, 12, f, w, Md >> >>>> James, 3/12, m, w, Md, b. Mch >> >>>> Catharine, 8, f, w, Md, attended school within the year >> >>>> Bridget, 6, f, w, Md, attended school within the year >> >>>> William, 5, m, w, Md >> >>>> >> >>>> I looked for Baltimore births on ancestry.com, but there seems to >> be a >> >> great shortage of them. :) >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> I tried looking up the parents on findagrave, in the hopes that a >> >> parents’ obit might say where their children were. But I was really >> >> shocked to see how many Bridget O’Briens there were in Holy Cross >> Catholic >> >> Cemetery in San Mateo county. I quit counting at 21! >> >>>> >> >>>> I struck out finding James O’Brien b. March 1870 in MD on the the >> 1900 >> >> California census. I didn’t find a likely Wm/Bridget either. Though >> they >> >> would have been about 73 by 1900 and may have already passed away by >> that >> >> time. >> >>>> >> >>>> It’s possible that this was Catherine’s marriage. She would have >> been >> >> about 26 by this time. >> >>>> NAME: Catherine O'Brien >> >>>> SPOUSE: Thomas Joseph Honigan >> >>>> MARRIAGE: 12 Nov 1888 - San Francisco >> >>>> >> >>>> I wonder if the obits for any of the family members of *this* William >> >> O’Brien would mention him being in Idaho? >> >>>> >> >>>> Kathy >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>>> On Feb 22, 2015, at 4:16 AM, Lars E. Oyane <lars.e.oyane@sdsl.no> >> >> wrote: >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Dear Kathy and other Listers! >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Thank you very much, Kathy, for your latest comments on my William >> H. >> >> O'Brien problem! >> >>>>> >> >>>>> I hadn't thought of checking out that marriage record before as far >> as >> >> church records are concerned. They were married by the Curator of the >> St. >> >> Paul P.E. Church at Blackfoot, ID, but can you tell me which church >> that >> >> may be? A Curator is a certain degree of Priest in the Catholic >> church, >> >> while P.E. church appears to refer to Episcopal church. At Blackfoot, >> ID >> >> today there is just one St. Paul church, and that is: St Pauls >> Episcopal >> >> Church, 72 N Shilling Ave, Blackfoot, ID (208)785-4474. I found an >> >> e-mail address and wrote a message, but it bounced back, so must no >> longer >> >> be good... I'll try to call them during the week... (Hopefully it's >> the >> >> "right" church) >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Then you have the San Francisco, CA voter list from 1890, which I >> >> hadn't see before. Now, that William O'Brien does NOT show up in any >> >> census records from 1900, 1910 or 1920 in California, but I suspect he >> be >> >> part of this family from San Francisco, CA 1880: >> >>>>> >> >>>>> O'Brien, William 50 laborer Ire Ire Ire >> >>>>> O'Brien, Bridget 46 wife keeping house Ire Ire Ire >> >>>>> O'Brien, Mary Ann 20 daughter boarder MD Ire Ire >> >>>>> O'Brien, Elizabeth 15 daughter boarder MD Ire Ire >> >>>>> O'Brien, William 13 son driver of wagon MD Ire Ire >> >>>>> O'Brien, James 7 son at school MD Ire Ire >> >>>>> >> >>>>> I find the family living 1870 in Baltimore, MD; the ages a little >> bit >> >> off, but still with both parents born in Ireland! >> >>>>> >> >>>>> This William O'Brien is probably the same one as the one from the >> >> voter list, but can he be the one who shows up in Idaho? >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Thanks again for your great assistance in this matter! I don't >> easily >> >> give up! >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Very sincerely yours, >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Lars E. Oyane >> >>>>> >> >>>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> >>>>> >> >>>>> On Feb 22, 2015, at 2:21 AM, Kathy Hines via wrote: >> >>>>> >> >>>>>> Somebody may have already posted this and I’m just behind the times >> >> again. :) Just in case you haven’t seen this yet: >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> California, Great Registers >> >>>>>> Name: William O'Brien < >> >> https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/VTXW-WBT> >> >>>>>> Event Type: Voter Registration >> >>>>>> Event Date: 1890 >> >>>>>> Event Place: Silver Av Merr & Brnold, San Francisco, >> >> California, United States >> >>>>>> Age: 22 >> >>>>>> Birth Year (Estimated): 1868 >> >>>>>> Birthplace: Maryland >> >>>>>> GS Film number: 977642 < >> >> >> https://familysearch.org/search/record/results?count=20&query=%2Bfilm_number%3A977642 >> > >> >> , Digital Folder Number: 005030282 < >> >> >> https://familysearch.org/search/record/results?count=20&query=%2Bfilm_number%3A005030282 >> > >> >> , Image Number: 00205 >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>>> On Feb 21, 2015, at 11:50 PM, Kathy Hines via < >> norway@rootsweb.com> >> >> wrote: >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> Thanks, Lars. I glanced at that county record book for the >> >> marriages and I wonder if St Paul’s Church might not have a more >> detailed >> >> record of their backgrounds. >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> I also looked at his death record on famiysearch.org < >> >> http://famiysearch.org/>. The informant was the Secretary of the >> >> Pocatello Elks Club. Maybe you can contact them and see if they have >> any >> >> information or history of early members of the club: >> >>>>>>> http://www.elks.org/lodges/ContactUs.cfm?LodgeNumber=0674 < >> >> http://www.elks.org/lodges/ContactUs.cfm?LodgeNumber=0674> >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> Kathy >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> On Feb 21, 2015, at 5:11 PM, Lars E. Oyane via < >> norway@rootsweb.com> >> >> wrote: >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> Dear Kathy and other Listers! >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> Thank you very much, Kathy, for your latest comment on William H. >> >> O'Brien. >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> When I read your message, I am wondering whether you read this >> >> posting that I made a week ago: >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> Dear Listers, >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> I have another "challenge" for you today: >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> Peder Aamundson from Sogndal Co., Norway (1837-1921) and wife >> >> Christine Peterson from Hafslo parish, Luster Co., Norway (1850-1927), >> >> pioneer ranchers in Lemhi Co., ID, had a son-in-law that I am having >> >> difficulties identifying: >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> William H. O'Brien >> >>>>>>>> supposedly born in Maryland Feb. 17, 1867 >> >>>>>>>> died at Pocatello, ID Jan. 27, 1925 >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> William was a lawyer and presumably must have studied law at some >> >> university in or near Maryland!? Or maybe he studied somewhere else?? >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> Documentations: >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> * 1900 census for Boise, Ada Co., ID shown William H. O'Brien >> born >> >> Feb. 1867 in MD, parents born in VA and NY, a single lawyer. >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> * 1910 census for Salmon, Lemhi Co., ID shows William H. O'Brien. >> >> aged 42 (MD 1868), parents born in VA and NY, a single lawyer - county >> >> attorney >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> * 1920 census for Pocatello, Bannock Co., ID shows William H. >> >> O'Brien, aged 52 (MD 1867), parents born in VA and NY, married, lawyer >> - >> >> retired attorney >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> * 1925 death certificate from Pocatello, ID shows William H. >> >> O'Brien, lawyer, born in MD Feb. 17, 1867 - parents unknown >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> William appears to be rather "consistent" in regard to place of >> >> birth, since the parents are said to be born in VA and NY in all three >> >> censuses, and yet: I have so far not been able to find William >> anywhere in >> >> the 1870 or 1880 censuses! >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> ** Can anyone help me find William H. in the 1870 and/or 1880 >> >> censuses, i.e. exact place of his birth? >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> ** How about his middle name, H....? >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> ** Maybe William's student record can be found, i.e. where did he >> >> go to law-school? >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> Thanks a million in advance for your great assistance in this >> >> matter! >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> Very sincerely yours, >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> Lars E. Oyane >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> Here I have included all I know about William H. O'Brien. As you >> >> see, there are absolutely NO suggestions that he was born in Scotland, >> and >> >> if you search the census records from 1900, 1910, 1920 and 1930 you >> find NO >> >> William O'Briens in the state of IDAHO born in SCOTLAND, and then >> >> definitely none that are lawyers! >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> I have no obituaries describing him, but I have been in contact >> >> with relatives of his wife Clara's and have put together this >> biography for >> >> Clara: >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> "Clara Julia Amonson, born in Lemhi Co., ID Jan. 18, 1874, died >> at >> >> Blackfoot, ID Sep. 6, 1954. She was a school teacher, but married 1st >> time >> >> at Palo Alto, CA Oct 14, 1900 to James Arthur aka Arthur Diggles, born >> in >> >> Siskiyou Co., CA Aug. 10, 1871. He was a mining engineer, and the >> couple >> >> resided at Broken Hill, NSW, Australia. Arthur died at Largs Bay near >> >> Adelaide, Australia May 14, 1910, and in 1911 Clara returned to >> Idaho. She >> >> remarried at Blackfoot, ID on Aug. 30, 1915 to William H. O'Brien, our >> >> subject, born in MD Feb. 17, 1867. He died at Pocatello, ID Jan. 27, >> >> 1925. William was a lawyer and for a while Lemhi Co. lawyer, while >> Clara >> >> for a while was Lemhi Co. Superintendant of Schools. She taught school >> >> various places in MT and ID. One daughter from her 1st marriage died >> >> without descendants." >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> I am unable to find Clara in the 1920 census, but in 1920 William >> >> was said to be married and living alone in Pocatello, ID! It may seem >> like >> >> they separated or divorced, since by 1930 Clara "widowed" was listed as >> >> Clara Diggles in the Montana census, and that's the name she used when >> she >> >> died in 1954! >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> I am unable to produce other evidence, but do hope that William >> H. >> >> O'Brien's origin can be found! Thanks a million! >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> Very sincerely yours, >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> Lars E. Oyane >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> On Feb 21, 2015, at 3:43 PM, Kathy Hines via wrote: >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> William O’Brien is a very common name around the U.S. Just out >> of >> >> curiosity I checked the MN Death Index and found 81 of them. We even >> have >> >> a Wm O’Brien state park in Washington county. >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> I would hazard a guess that there is more than one lawyer by the >> >> name of Wm O’Brien. Most likely the one from Scotland and the one from >> >> Maryland are probably not the same guy. >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> You mentioned that the Wm O’Brien that you seek was a >> son-in-law. >> >> Is that right? Then can you tell us more about the woman he married >> and >> >> her family? Is there an obit for a family member that names him? >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> Kathy >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> On Feb 21, 2015, at 11:54 AM, Lars E. Oyane via < >> >> norway@rootsweb.com> wrote: >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> Dear Greg, Mark and other Listers! >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> Thank you very much to both of you for sending me the article >> on >> >> Judge O'Brien, Greg offline and Mark with a transcript! I have read it >> >> with great interest. >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> However, I was disappointed it didn't include any information >> at >> >> all about William's background or surviving relatives. So then there >> is a >> >> question; can possibly other articles be found about this Idaho >> Judge? The >> >> 1900, 1910 and 1920 census records all claim he was a native of >> Maryland >> >> with parents born in VA and NY respectively, while one obituary says >> he was >> >> born in Scotland and attended the University of Edinburgh! >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> So - indeed conflicting information!!? What is correct? >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> Thanks again for your great assistance in this matter! >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> Very sincerely yours, >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> Lars E. Oyane >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> On Feb 20, 2015, at 8:06 PM, Mark Erickson via wrote: >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> Friday, February 6, 1925 >> >>>>>>>>>>> Afton Star Valley Independent >> >>>>>>>>>>> JUDGE O’BRIEN PASSES BEYOND A great many people in Star Valley >> >> will ? grieved to learn of the death last week of Judge W. H O’Brien. >> Judge >> >> O’Brien came into the valley two or three years ago in connection with >> the >> >> Oil Company and while here made many sincere friends owing to his >> honest >> >> and sincere desire to help those who were less fortunate than himself. >> >> Judge O'Brien has been ill for several years but seemed to improve >> when in >> >> the valley, owing to high altitude and plenty of fresh air. He spent a >> few >> >> months in the valley last fall, and it seemed to be the ambition of his >> >> life to make our oil company’s successful. The Judge held the love and >> >> respect of all whom he came in contact with, and we are indeed sorry to >> >> hear of his passing. >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> I’ll see if I can find anything else. >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> NORWAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORWAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Genealogy from Nes and Flå parish in Hallingdal. FLÅ no. III is OUT!!! Nes farm and family books volume III & IV - is delayed as of dispute! Phone: +47 32068733 Cell : +47 9069 3540 Steinar Vissebråten, N-3540 Nesbyen

Your email is just fine Tammy. Barbara, Flushing, NY On 2/26/2015 11:55 AM, Tammy Lundquist via wrote: > Hello List and Steinar, > > > I, too, would like to know what causes this problem that Steinar is describing. > > > I did go back and look at the first example email that Steinar forwarded and it looked fine in my inbox. > > > This is reminding me, however, of one of the few times that I have submitted a question to a List (it was either Norway or Sweden). > > > I worked very hard to have an easy-to-read email that summarized my questions at a glance and I was surprised and disappointed when it came through the List email to my inbox as jumbled and difficult to read. Since I didn’t know what I had done wrong, I just decided that I should avoid submitting questions. > > > I would really appreciate it if someone more knowledgeable than I about computers and email could give some good, easy to understand advice. > > > Just for fun, I will submit to the list that this email contains six separate paragraphs. I do have a different computer since I last submitted a question, so maybe I have actually unknowingly solved my problem. > > > Tammy > > > > > > > Sent from Windows Mail > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORWAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORWAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORWAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hei all, I just have a simple question that I (and maybe others) have wondered about. I have came across a number of my distant relatives who have a occupation of “Church Singer”, I have looked this up and know what they do but would like to know this about it: 1. was it a prestigious occupation with the Church and community? 2. Did they get paid for this occupation, or just volunteer their service? 3. I see only Males, were their any Females? Thank you for the information. Cliff M

Since 1997 or so, Karla has asked that we clean up our reply so it doesn't go on endlessly from the previous posts. That is especially true for us on digest mode. When you want to reply, hit reply, change the subject line to match and clear out anything but the primary or important question or answer. I realize this is not the subject at hand but it is something that makes it so I barely read the mails anymore. There is just too much unrelated stuff being repeated over and over and over again. Sorry for hijacking the original thread but the this digest mail was a perfect example of a bunch of wasted time reading the same thing repeated over and over. It only takes a minute to delete stuff that isn't needed. I am a packrat but not with words... I don't have the trouble Steinar has but I empathize with his position. it is very hard to cut to the chase. Old time participant... Stephanie

Ole was bit by a stray rabid dog. Sven went to see how he was and found him scribbling furiously on a notepad. Sven told him rabies could be cured and he didn't have to worry about writing a will. Ole said, "Vill, vill,... VHAT VILL? I'm making a list of people I'm gonna bite!!" Sent from my iPad John Ferman Kingfield Neighborhood Minneapolis, MN Email in header

Subject of long digests with same dates repeated and repeated. When I first joined the list each Digest had an interactive table of contents which included the sender's I'd, and the subject of each message it contained. This allowed me to scan the subject of each message to determine if I wanted to read it. Now the table of contents is there but it isn't interactive and I have to scroll through all the unwanted stuff to find the one in which I am interested. Our administrators might see what can be done to make the table of contents interactive again. That' just my two cents worth. PeteQ Bell Buckle, Tennessee Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID

Posters problem is the very reason I subscribe to the daily digest option. The digest version leads off with an index to subjects of all posts. One of the reasons I rarely read messages is that very few posters bother to edit out repetition. Even the poster who implored everyone to use <snip> did not snip anything. So much for recommending brevity. Sent from my iPad John Ferman Kingfield Neighborhood Minneapolis, MN Email in header > On Feb 26, 2015, at 8:58 AM, norway-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Question for the group. (Steinar Vissebr?ten) > <major league SNIP>

MIne arrived correctly,Bev.:} Barbara in MA On 2/26/2015 7:40 AM, Bev Anderson via wrote: > Hi Steinar - > > I don't have the answer to the problem, but I do know what at least part of the problem is: it's the email program(s). > > A week or two ago I sent off an email with proper formatting, proper spaces, it came to me all run together, and someone re-sent my reply with proper spacing and paragraph breaks. I think the original formatting on my end had been the Yahoo html default. (This was right after Yahoo changed something about their email program and added stationery ability, so they had html as the default setting.) > > A few days ago I sent a reply to someone, it had all the proper spacings, I had hit Return/Enter before and after the links, double-spacings between paragraphs - all the normal things for a clear and concise reply. > > I was extremely dismayed to see my reply to this other person come back to me without proper spaces, the links had been run together so they did not look separate, etc., which is how I've seen other emails from other people, too. > > The next time I had to answer someone, the default formatting (which is new in Yahoo in the last couple of weeks) is html. Once I composed the email, I highlighted everything and made it plain text. The email that came back looked sensible (it only added one space between two paragraphs that had originally had double spacing, but the rest of it was okay). > > I'm not at all sure what's up with the thinner emails that have lines that run together without formatting, but part of the problem is in the line length in plain text emails in certain email programs. I know I reset my Yahoo email default program to wrap around and have longer lines across the page than it originally had as the default setting. I'm not even sure how I did it because it was so many years ago, but now the lines go clear across the page instead of wrapping around about halfway across the page (like the email example you sent). It also helps keep the links intact to have the line go clear across the page instead of the short wrap-around. > > The lack of formatting is what Ancestry's notes section has as their default, no matter what formatting I put in Notes on the trees where I am an editor; that's one reason why I don't put my genealogy info on their site: the formatting does not stay the way I enter it. > > I don't know how this problem is going to be resolved, but I suspect that some kind of consistency needs to happen in original formatting of everyone's emails that is compatible with the plain text Rootsweb email program. > > For the record, I've composed this in plain text, I have proper double spacing between paragraphs, the lines go across the screen before they wrap around..., so I hope it arrives in everyone's inbox the way it currently looks on my screen right now. > > Med vennlig hilsen, > Bev > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Steinar Vissebråten via <norway@rootsweb.com> > To: norway@rootsweb.com > Cc: > Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2015 5:17 AM > Subject: [NOR] Question for the group. > > > Hello everyone. > > As a fond reader of the list I see that I am > trashing more and more mails from the group! > > I don't even care to read them! WHY? > > The readers of the list and writers to the list > don't use any spaces or RETUN in their letters. > The whole thing for me seems as an endless page > of letters. You really need to look knowing what is the question or answer. > > I think education was to learn how to tell a > story and let others find out the meaning of something.?! > > I don't know if I am the only one that really > have a problem or it is a new way of writing questions and answers! > If this contiues I'll consider getting of the > list as these mails for me is just nothing. I > have no time to get the email I need to adjust before I can read them. > > I would like to get other opinions about this so > we could try to change it before it gets too many of these - to me - nonsence. > > Below is a sample of what I mean and how it shows up when I open my mails. > > Thanks for reading. > Steinar > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORWAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

John, I included it all so that everyone could SEE why the <snip> is so important! And the responses to this interesting thread, some of which didn't use the <snip>, and end up looking like Steinar's even though the originate on this side of the pond, convince me that Don is right. It's a technical issue having to do with our varying email programs and their settings. But it makes it even more important to, as Stephanie says, cut out all the extraneous stuff in our replies. Doris On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 8:32 AM, John Ferman via <norway@rootsweb.com> wrote: > Posters problem is the very reason I subscribe to the daily digest option. > The digest version leads off with an index to subjects of all posts. One of > the reasons I rarely read messages is that very few posters bother to edit > out repetition. Even the poster who implored everyone to use <snip> did not > snip anything. So much for recommending brevity. > > Sent from my iPad > John Ferman > Kingfield Neighborhood > Minneapolis, MN > Email in header > > > > On Feb 26, 2015, at 8:58 AM, norway-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > > > > > > > > Today's Topics: > > > > 1. Question for the group. (Steinar Vissebr?ten) > > > > <major league SNIP> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NORWAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

For those of us who use gmail and have it POPed into an email program on our computers, we do not see what we send to the list -- unless it is included within any response. This is how gmail works. There is a work around, but it only sends our emails back to us -- it does not go through the list and come to us from the list. My point being - we do not know how it looks to others, unless we go to the archives of the Norway List and check it out there. Joy Gulden --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com

I hate to say it but today all my mails have been coming through as though each paragraph has a heading of two or three words and then broken up into random line breaks! Don't know what's going on :( cheers Catherine -----Original Message----- From: Bev Anderson via <norway@rootsweb.com> To: norway <norway@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thu, 26 Feb 2015 12:46 Subject: Re: [NOR] Question for the group. Hi Steinar - I don't have the answer to the problem, but I do know what at least part of the problem is: it's the email program(s). A week or two ago I sent off an email with proper formatting, proper spaces, it came to me all run together, and someone re-sent my reply with proper spacing and paragraph breaks. I think the original formatting on my end had been the Yahoo html default. (This was right after Yahoo changed something about their email program and added stationery ability, so they had html as the default setting.) A few days ago I sent a reply to someone, it had all the proper spacings, I had hit Return/Enter before and after the links, double-spacings between paragraphs - all the normal things for a clear and concise reply. I was extremely dismayed to see my reply to this other person come back to me without proper spaces, the links had been run together so they did not look separate, etc., which is how I've seen other emails from other people, too. The next time I had to answer someone, the default formatting (which is new in Yahoo in the last couple of weeks) is html. Once I composed the email, I highlighted everything and made it plain text. The email that came back looked sensible (it only added one space between two paragraphs that had originally had double spacing, but the rest of it was okay). I'm not at all sure what's up with the thinner emails that have lines that run together without formatting, but part of the problem is in the line length in plain text emails in certain email programs. I know I reset my Yahoo email default program to wrap around and have longer lines across the page than it originally had as the default setting. I'm not even sure how I did it because it was so many years ago, but now the lines go clear across the page instead of wrapping around about halfway across the page (like the email example you sent). It also helps keep the links intact to have the line go clear across the page instead of the short wrap-around. The lack of formatting is what Ancestry's notes section has as their default, no matter what formatting I put in Notes on the trees where I am an editor; that's one reason why I don't put my genealogy info on their site: the formatting does not stay the way I enter it. I don't know how this problem is going to be resolved, but I suspect that some kind of consistency needs to happen in original formatting of everyone's emails that is compatible with the plain text Rootsweb email program. For the record, I've composed this in plain text, I have proper double spacing between paragraphs, the lines go across the screen before they wrap around..., so I hope it arrives in everyone's inbox the way it currently looks on my screen right now. Med vennlig hilsen, Bev ----- Original Message ----- From: Steinar Vissebråten via <norway@rootsweb.com> To: norway@rootsweb.com Cc: Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2015 5:17 AM Subject: [NOR] Question for the group. Hello everyone. As a fond reader of the list I see that I am trashing more and more mails from the group! I don't even care to read them! WHY? The readers of the list and writers to the list don't use any spaces or RETUN in their letters. The whole thing for me seems as an endless page of letters. You really need to look knowing what is the question or answer. I think education was to learn how to tell a story and let others find out the meaning of something.?! I don't know if I am the only one that really have a problem or it is a new way of writing questions and answers! If this contiues I'll consider getting of the list as these mails for me is just nothing. I have no time to get the email I need to adjust before I can read them. I would like to get other opinions about this so we could try to change it before it gets too many of these - to me - nonsence. Below is a sample of what I mean and how it shows up when I open my mails. Thanks for reading. Steinar ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORWAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Steinar, I'm responsible for the message you used as an example. Sorry about the mess. I hope we can find a solution. I use a couple of computers at different locations, and the problem (for me at least) seems to be when I log into Gmail through a web browser. Gmail seems to treat emails that have the same address and same subject line as a "conversation", and groups them all together. It's not a problem unless you're in the web browser and you use the reply button. Then it wants to send the entire "conversation". It won't show you. You need to click on a small line of 3 dots at the bottom of the reply panel. Then you can see what the entire message will look like. As far as formatting, I don't know what's causing the problem. My message looks fine on this computer, but looks like a complete mess at home. Let's see how this message looks. Hopefully much better. -Mark

Steiner If emails are coming to you all jumbled up with no returns, etc., you should first consider Bev's suggestion that it is a problem with your email program or an incompatibility issue. Don't just assume that the writer is uneducated or sloppy, because Bev's email came to me nicely formatted with spaces between paragraphs and quite legible and proper. If it came to you otherwise, it was not Bev's fault. I have not noticed the problems you mention with the list's emails, so evidently my mail program deals with it better. In fact I find emails with manual returns at the end of every line, making them extremely short and choppy, to be an annoyance. Of course it is your prerogative to not read emails you find difficult to read, but before judging people and basically call them uneducated, consider the possibility that it is a technical problem with email settings or an incompatibility problem that does not seem to be confined to your program, since some people have agreed with you about problem emails. As Bev suggested, companies such as Yahoo now seem to assume people want fancy things like html in their emails rather than plain text, and that could very well be what is messing up things, since lists often do not permit html and strip out the coding, but to say that it is because "you people over there . . . don't understand how this works" or insinuate that the writers are uneducated is an insult that is unwarranted. I am not trying to fan any flames and it may be worthwhile for the list to pay attention and make note of whose emails have the problem, what mail program they use, and what mail program the people use who have problems reading them, in an effort to see if it can be resolved. It is most likely a settings/preference issue that has changed and it may well be because things are done differently "over here" than "over there," but I hope we can resolve it without calling names. I would be interested to know if my email comes through to you without paragraphs because I have made six paragraphs in this email, so if it is all one when it arrives to you it is either something the list did or an issue between my email program and yours. Lenise On Feb 26, 2015, at 5:42 AM, Steinar Vissebråten via wrote: > At 13:40 26.02.2015, you wrote: > > Thanks for your reply. But your mail to me is the same as I just talked about. > > To I seems that the program used is the fault. > > I just send it as this is a problem to me. And > all my years on Internet (20years) it come more > and more. It was just a interest from me about > things that I don't bother about as these mail is > just for the trash box on my side. A lot of > valuable info is lost by sending out such mails. > I belive the problem is you people over there > using a place/software that don't understand how this works. > > regards > Steinar >

Steiner, While Lars is a wonderful researcher, I agree with you that emails can get way out of hand. Too many of us don't take the time to properly edit them when we make our replies. Part of the issue is that for some of us, English is our first language, and for others, it's not. However, Lars and other Norwegian speakers uses some non-American expressions that I think the rest of us can figure out, and I think the same goes for American-speakers writing for the Norwegian speakers. That's not the problem you're concerned with, I think. Another problem, which is perhaps out of our control, is the incompatibility of computer systems. I think I remember that particular email, and while it wasn't easy to read, it didn't look nearly so bad on my system. Here are a few suggestion, that might help, though. We need to spend a little more time editing our replies. Another list I'm on makes heavy use of the expression <snip> First, and I'll use Lars as a great example here, be sure you lay out your research problem clearly. He always tells us what he knows, using just one person or family per email. Then he states clearly what questions he needs answered, even numbering them if there are several. That lets the reader know what he wants help with. And he thanks us in advance, always a nice touch. When replying to an email, by Lars or anyone else, we can, and should, *delete* the part of the original email that's not relevant to our actual response. In place of the deleted part, use <snip> so the reader knows there's missing stuff, that they can go back to the original if they're interested. Then the reader will see the < in front of the parts of the original email that you've retained, and that you're going to comment on. Don't forget to delete the material at the bottom that tells you how to unsubscribe from the list! I guarantee you, it will *automatically* get added on when your email is printed to the list. We don't need to see all the times it appeared. Some email systems reproduce the < with every time an email is reproduced. Others, like gmail, which I use, use instead a vertical line and an indent. This has its own problems, as the text gets narrower and narrower. The gist of the issue is, when you're responding to an email, either delete the info that's irrelevant to your response, and put in a <snip> to indicate what you've done. Another solution is to compose a new message that begins "In response to. . . " and summarizes the current issue you're discussing. Either one of those should get rid of the kind of gobbedlygook that makes Steinar and many of the rest of us hit the delete key when we might be interested in if the material were properly presented. I'm leaving the whole thing in just so you can see what he's talking about. I would show a "fixed" version of that message if I could figure out what the question is, and what the answer is. Unfortunately, I can't. I join Steinar is a call for more clarity in our editing of replies to original messages, so that we can better help each other in our queries. Thanks for pointing out this problem, Steiner. I know I've been guilty myself, as it's the easiest thing to do. But it's not helpful to leave things alone, add more stuff, and thus just to the problem for the next person reading our reply. More input on this issue would be welcome. Doris On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 3:17 AM, Steinar Vissebråten via < norway@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > Hello everyone. > > As a fond reader of the list I see that I am > trashing more and more mails from the group! > > I don't even care to read them! WHY? > > The readers of the list and writers to the list > don't use any spaces or RETUN in their letters. > The whole thing for me seems as an endless page > of letters. You really need to look knowing what is the question or answer. > > I think education was to learn how to tell a > story and let others find out the meaning of something.?! > > I don't know if I am the only one that really > have a problem or it is a new way of writing questions and answers! > If this contiues I'll consider getting of the > list as these mails for me is just nothing. I > have no time to get the email I need to adjust before I can read them. > > I would like to get other opinions about this so > we could try to change it before it gets too many of these - to me - > nonsence. > > Below is a sample of what I mean and how it shows up when I open my mails. > > Thanks for reading. > Steinar > > Here's a few more: 20 Mar 1896 "Salt Lake > Tribune". Judge W. L. Maginnis and W. H. O'Brein > returned yesterday from Idaho, where they have > been on business. 16 May 1896 "Salt Lake > Tribune". Attorney W. H. OBrien is confined to > his room with severe attack of neuralgia. 30 Dec. > 1916 "Ogden Standard", Utah. MRS. W. H. O'BRIEN > HAS BEEN RELEASED. Acting on request of County > Attorney Joseph E. Evans, Deputy Sheriff Curtis > Allison yesterday located Mrs. W. H. O'Brien at > Buhl, Idaho, where her husband is employed. etc. > On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 3:49 PM, Mark Erickson > <merickson1870@gmail.com> wrote: > Your William > was born in MD abt 1867, studied at the > University of > Edinburgh, and became a lawyer. > Lot of coincindences. > > 10 Jan 1897, "The Salt > Lake Tribune", page 18 > William H. O'Brien. > > William. H. O'Brien, a Weber county member of the > lower house, was born in > Baltimore, Md., in > 1866, but at an early age. he was taken by his > parents > to India, where his father engaged in > commerce on the Irrawady river. He > was sent to > Scotland and took a three years' course in the > University of > Edinburgh, afterward going to > Germany to complete his education. His > health, > however, becoming impaired he was obliged to > forego his studies and > spend some months in > travel, visiting different parts of India and > South > Africa. Finally, in 1885, when only 19 > years of age, O'Brien came to this > country, > locating in western Kansas, where he remained > about a year. At > that time he was attracted to > Denver by the great boom, and going there > > engaged in surveying. About six years of his life > were spent in Colorado, > in Denver, Leadville, > Aspen and other points, the most of the time > being > occupied in surveying, mining and mining > engineering. In 1891 he came to > Salt Lake City, > where he commenced the study of law, afterward > completing > his studies at Ogden. He is now > associated with Judge W. L. Maginnis. He > was > put on the ticket by the committee on the > resignation of W. L. Peyton. > > On Wed, Feb 25, > 2015 at 9:21 AM, Lars E. Oyane via > <norway@rootsweb.com> > wrote: > >> Dear Carol, > Barbara, Mark and other Listers! >> >> Thank you > very much for your latest messages on this > topic! >> >> To Carol: Yes, have used the > Website of the Parish, and it says nothing >> > about business hours. The phone just rings busy > all the time... Not >> normal! >> >> To > Barbara: No, William O'Brien appears to have > "stayed put" after he is >> found in Idaho in > 1900, 1910, 1915 (marriage), 1920 and dying in > 1925 at >> Pocatello, ID. He was a lawyer! >> >> > To Mark: I am most grateful for your efforts > "ploughing thru" various >> newspaper items > regarding William H. O'Brien, only too bad > nowhere are >> listed any relatives of HIS! >> >> > The only place where relatives are mentioned, is > in that death notice >> from 1925, but the part > about the relatives (great niece in Chicago, > IL?) >> are so hard to read, I cannot make > anything meaningful out of it... >> >> But still > there is hope. He must have been from somewhere, > if we could >> only find the "right" place to > look! >> >> Thanks again for your wonderful > assistance! >> >> Very sincerely yours, >> >> > Lars E. Oyane >> >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> >> On > Feb 25, 2015, at 9:51 AM, Mark Erickson via > wrote: >> >> > You might already have this > information, and I don't know if it helps >> > with >> > any of your questions, but here's a few > things I found about them. >> > >> > >> > They're > both in the book "Centennial history of Lemhi > County, Idaho >> > > <https://archive.org/details/centennialhistor00lemh>" > >> > >> > PAGE 120 • School > Superintendents >> > >> > Clara A. > Digles 1915-1919 >> > >> > >> > PAGE 218 • Lemhi > County Proseccuting Attorney >> > >> > Numerous > attorneys have held this position. The position > has been a >> > springboard to other > positions. >> > >> > William H. O'Brien, > 1909-11 >> > >> > >> > 16 Jan 1913 Ad in the > "Idaho Recorder". W. H. O'BRIEN, Attorney at > Law >> > >> > Office with Judge McCracken. Soon > to occupy offices in Citizen National >> > Bank > Building. >> > >> > >> > 2 Oct 1913 Ad in the > "Idaho Recorder". W. H. O'BRIEN, Attorney at > Law >> > >> > Office Court House, Salmon, > Idaho >> > >> > >> > 29 Dec 1916 Ad in the "Idaho > Recorder". O'BRIEN & GLENNON, Attorneys >> at > Law >> > >> > Offices in the I.O.O.F. Bldg., > Salmon, Idaho >> > >> > (I.O.O.F = International > Order of Odd Fellows) >> > >> > >> > He seems to > have a history of working with Oil and Mining > Companies. >> > >> > MUSGROVE MINING > CO. >> > >> > (District Court, D. Idaho, E. D. > July 11, 1916.) >> > >> > In the matter of the > bankruptcy of the Musgrove Mining Company, a >> > > corporation. >> > >> > O'Brien & Glennon, of > Salmon, for Musgrove Mining Co. >> > >> > >> > > There's a case from 1919 featuring O'Brien & > Glennon, of Salmon, so they >> > were still > practicing law together at that time. There are a > lot of hits >> > for "O'Brien Glennon" in the > Salmon Public Library newspapers link from >> > > earlier in this thread. >> > >> > >> > 20 Sep > 1918 "Idaho Recorder" Mrs. W. H. O'Brien and > daughter Esther >> > Diggles left Tuesday morning > for California: Miss Esther to enter >> > Berkley, >> > Mrs. O'Brien will return to Henry, > Idaho, to teach. >> > >> > >> > 13 June 1919 > "Idaho Recorder" Mrs. Clara Diggles O'Brien and > her >> daughter >> > Esther are home in Salmon, > the mother from Henry and the daughter from >> > the >> > university at Berkley, > California. >> > >> > >> > There are several > other articles from after his death that refer to > her >> as >> > "Mrs. Clara Diggles > O'Brien". >> > >> > On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 7:21 > AM, Barbara Young via > <norway@rootsweb.com >> > >> > wrote: >> > >> >> > Dear Lars, >> >> >> >> I have not been following > this thread closely but it occurs to me > that >> >> since this man seems to be traveling > across the country, did he work >> for >> >> a > company that had large projects and he would be > sent to work in these >> >> places and would stay > until the job was finished and then go to the >> > next >> >> project he was sent to? >> >> >> >> > All the best >> >> Sincerely, >> >> Barbara in > MA >> >> >> >> >> >> On 2/25/2015 12:39 AM, Lars > E. Oyane via wrote: >> >>> Dear Kathy and other > Listers! >> >>> >> >>> Thank you very much, > Kathy, for you latest message with the > O'Brien >> >> family from the 1870 census for > Baltimore, MD. I am still not >> convinced >> >> > this be the "right" family, but it must be the > same as the one found >> in San >> >> Francisco, > CA in 1880. >> >>> >> >>> Now, I have tried to > reach the St. Pauls Episcopal Church at >> > Blackfoot, >> >> ID, but the phne number given on > the Website apparently is no longer >> > valid, >> >> so I am kind of "stuck", > again... Maybe it isn't the "right" church >> > after >> >> all? Any suggestions > anyone? >> >>> >> >>> Or has anyone found other > newspaper items about William H. O'Brien in >> >> > Idaho that can help? >> >>> >> >>> Thanks again > to everyone for your great assistance in this > matter! >> >>> >> >>> Very sincerely > yours, >> >>> >> >>> Lars E. Oyane >> >>> >> >>> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> >>> >> >>> On Feb 22, 2015, > at 11:33 AM, Kathy Hines wrote: >> >>> >> >>>> > Dear Lars, >> >>>> >> >>>> That must be this > family from Baltimore, MD. Everybody only > aged >> about >> >> 7 years in the intervening 10 > years. >> >>>> >> >>>> Page No. 467 >> >>>> > Schedule 1 - Inhabitants in the Eighteenth Ward, > in the City of >> >> Baltimore, State of > Maryland, enumerated by me on the 19th day of >> > August, >> >> 1870. >> >>>> Post Office: > Baltimore, MD >> >>>> (must be a duplex? The > Patrick (29) and Anna (24) McGainey family >> > live >> >> in HH 2827 as well.) >> >>>> 3605 > OBrien William, 43, m, w, Laborer, Ireland, > cannot write, male >> >> citizen of the > U.S. >> >>>> Bridget, 43, f, w, Ireland, > cannot read or write >> >>>> Mary A, 12, > f, w, Md >> >>>> James, 3/12, m, w, Md, > b. Mch >> >>>> Catharine, 8, f, w, Md, > attended school within the > year >> >>>> Bridget, 6, f, w, Md, > attended school within the > year >> >>>> William, 5, m, w, > Md >> >>>> >> >>>> I looked for Baltimore births > on ancestry.com, but there seems to >> be a >> >> > great shortage of > them. :) >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> I tried looking > up the parents on findagrave, in the hopes that > a >> >> parents’ obit might say where their > children were. But I was really >> >> shocked to > see how many Bridget O’Briens there were in > Holy Cross >> Catholic >> >> Cemetery in San > Mateo county. I quit counting at > 21! >> >>>> >> >>>> I struck out finding James > O’Brien b. March 1870 in MD on the the >> > 1900 >> >> California census. I didn’t find a > likely Wm/Bridget either. Though >> they >> >> > would have been about 73 by 1900 and may have > already passed away by >> that >> >> > time. >> >>>> >> >>>> It’s possible that this > was Catherine’s marriage. She would have >> > been >> >> about 26 by this time. >> >>>> > NAME: Catherine O'Brien >> >>>> > SPOUSE: Thomas Joseph Honigan >> >>>> > MARRIAGE: 12 Nov 1888 - San > Francisco >> >>>> >> >>>> I wonder if the obits > for any of the family members of *this* > William >> >> O’Brien would mention him being > in Idaho? >> >>>> >> >>>> > Kathy >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>>> On Feb 22, 2015, > at 4:16 AM, Lars E. Oyane > <lars.e.oyane@sdsl.no> >> >> > wrote: >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Dear Kathy and other > Listers! >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Thank you very much, > Kathy, for your latest comments on my William >> > H. >> >> O'Brien problem! >> >>>>> >> >>>>> I > hadn't thought of checking out that marriage > record before as far >> as >> >> church records > are concerned. They were married by the Curator > of the >> St. >> >> Paul P.E. Church at > Blackfoot, ID, but can you tell me which > church >> that >> >> may be? A Curator is a > certain degree of Priest in the Catholic >> > church, >> >> while P.E. church appears to refer > to Episcopal church. At Blackfoot, >> ID >> >> > today there is just one St. Paul church, and that > is: St Pauls >> Episcopal >> >> Church, 72 N > Shilling Ave, Blackfoot, ID (208)785-4474. I > found an >> >> e-mail address and wrote a > message, but it bounced back, so must no >> > longer >> >> be good... I'll try to call them > during the week... (Hopefully it's >> the >> >> > "right" church) >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Then you have > the San Francisco, CA voter list from 1890, which > I >> >> hadn't see before. Now, that William > O'Brien does NOT show up in any >> >> census > records from 1900, 1910 or 1920 in California, > but I suspect he >> be >> >> part of this family > from San Francisco, CA 1880: >> >>>>> >> >>>>> > O'Brien, William 50 laborer Ire Ire > Ire >> >>>>> O'Brien, Bridget 46 wife keeping > house Ire Ire Ire >> >>>>> O'Brien, Mary > Ann 20 daughter boarder MD Ire Ire >> >>>>> > O'Brien, Elizabeth 15 daughter > boarder MD Ire Ire >> >>>>> O'Brien, > William 13 son driver of > wagon MD Ire Ire >> >>>>> O'Brien, > James 7 son at > school MD Ire Ire >> >>>>> >> >>>>> I find the > family living 1870 in Baltimore, MD; the ages a > little >> bit >> >> off, but still with both > parents born in Ireland! >> >>>>> >> >>>>> This > William O'Brien is probably the same one as the > one from the >> >> voter list, but can he be the > one who shows up in Idaho? >> >>>>> >> >>>>> > Thanks again for your great assistance in this > matter! I don't >> easily >> >> give > up! >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Very sincerely > yours, >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Lars E. > Oyane >> >>>>> >> >>>>> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> >>>>> >> >>>>> On Feb 22, > 2015, at 2:21 AM, Kathy Hines via > wrote: >> >>>>> >> >>>>>> Somebody may have > already posted this and I’m just behind the > times >> >> again. :) Just in case you > haven’t seen this yet: >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> > California, Great Registers >> >>>>>> > Name: William O'Brien < >> >> > https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/VTXW-WBT> >> > >>>>>> Event Type: Voter > Registration >> >>>>>> Event > Date: 1890 >> >>>>>> Event > Place: Silver Av Merr & Brnold, San > Francisco, >> >> California, United > States >> >>>>>> Age: 22 >> >>>>>> Birth > Year (Estimated): 1868 >> >>>>>> > Birthplace: Maryland >> >>>>>> GS Film > number: 977642 < >> >> >> > > https://familysearch.org/search/record/results?count=20&query=%2Bfilm_number%3A977642 > >> > >> >> , Digital Folder Number: 005030282 > < >> >> >> > > https://familysearch.org/search/record/results?count=20&query=%2Bfilm_number%3A005030282 > >> > >> >> , Image Number: > 00205 >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>>> On Feb 21, > 2015, at 11:50 PM, Kathy Hines via < >> > norway@rootsweb.com> >> >> > wrote: >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> Thanks, Lars. I > glanced at that county record book for the >> >> > marriages and I wonder if St Paul’s Church > might not have a more >> detailed >> >> record of > their backgrounds. >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> I also > looked at his death record on famiysearch.org > < >> >> http://famiysearch.org/>. The informant > was the Secretary of the >> >> Pocatello Elks > Club. Maybe you can contact them and see if they > have >> any >> >> information or history of early > members of the club: >> >>>>>>> > http://www.elks.org/lodges/ContactUs.cfm?LodgeNumber=0674 > < >> >> > http://www.elks.org/lodges/ContactUs.cfm?LodgeNumber=0674> > >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> > Kathy >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> On Feb > 21, 2015, at 5:11 PM, Lars E. Oyane via < >> > norway@rootsweb.com> >> >> > wrote: >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> Dear Kathy and > other Listers! >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> Thank you > very much, Kathy, for your latest comment on > William H. >> >> O'Brien. >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> > When I read your message, I am wondering whether > you read this >> >> posting that I made a week > ago: >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> Dear > Listers, >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> I have another > "challenge" for you > today: >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> Peder Aamundson > from Sogndal Co., Norway (1837-1921) and > wife >> >> Christine Peterson from Hafslo parish, > Luster Co., Norway (1850-1927), >> >> pioneer > ranchers in Lemhi Co., ID, had a son-in-law that > I am having >> >> difficulties > identifying: >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> William H. > O'Brien >> >>>>>>>> supposedly born in Maryland > Feb. 17, 1867 >> >>>>>>>> died at Pocatello, ID > Jan. 27, 1925 >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> William was > a lawyer and presumably must have studied law at > some >> >> university in or near Maryland!? Or > maybe he studied somewhere > else?? >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> > Documentations: >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> * 1900 > census for Boise, Ada Co., ID shown William H. > O'Brien >> born >> >> Feb. 1867 in MD, parents > born in VA and NY, a single > lawyer. >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> * 1910 census for > Salmon, Lemhi Co., ID shows William H. > O'Brien. >> >> aged 42 (MD 1868), parents born in > VA and NY, a single lawyer - county >> >> > attorney >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> * 1920 census > for Pocatello, Bannock Co., ID shows William > H. >> >> O'Brien, aged 52 (MD 1867), parents born > in VA and NY, married, lawyer >> - >> >> retired > attorney >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> * 1925 death > certificate from Pocatello, ID shows William > H. >> >> O'Brien, lawyer, born in MD Feb. 17, > 1867 - parents unknown >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> > William appears to be rather "consistent" in > regard to place of >> >> birth, since the parents > are said to be born in VA and NY in all > three >> >> censuses, and yet: I have so far not > been able to find William >> anywhere in >> >> > the 1870 or 1880 > censuses! >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> ** Can anyone > help me find William H. in the 1870 and/or > 1880 >> >> censuses, i.e. exact place of his > birth? >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> ** How about his > middle name, H....? >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> ** > Maybe William's student record can be found, i.e. > where did he >> >> go to > law-school? >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> Thanks a > million in advance for your great assistance in > this >> >> matter! >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> Very > sincerely yours, >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> Lars E. > Oyane >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> Here I > have included all I know about William H. > O'Brien. As you >> >> see, there are absolutely > NO suggestions that he was born in Scotland, >> > and >> >> if you search the census records from > 1900, 1910, 1920 and 1930 you >> find NO >> >> > William O'Briens in the state of IDAHO born in > SCOTLAND, and then >> >> definitely none that are > lawyers! >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> I have no > obituaries describing him, but I have been in > contact >> >> with relatives of his wife Clara's > and have put together this >> biography for >> >> > Clara: >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> "Clara Julia > Amonson, born in Lemhi Co., ID Jan. 18, 1874, > died >> at >> >> Blackfoot, ID Sep. 6, 1954. She > was a school teacher, but married 1st >> > time >> >> at Palo Alto, CA Oct 14, 1900 to James > Arthur aka Arthur Diggles, born >> in >> >> > Siskiyou Co., CA Aug. 10, 1871. He was a mining > engineer, and the >> couple >> >> resided at > Broken Hill, NSW, Australia. Arthur died at > Largs Bay near >> >> Adelaide, Australia May 14, > 1910, and in 1911 Clara returned to >> > Idaho. She >> >> remarried at Blackfoot, ID on > Aug. 30, 1915 to William H. O'Brien, our >> >> > subject, born in MD Feb. 17, 1867. He died at > Pocatello, ID Jan. 27, >> >> 1925. William was a > lawyer and for a while Lemhi Co. lawyer, while >> > Clara >> >> for a while was Lemhi Co. > Superintendant of Schools. She taught > school >> >> various places in MT and ID. One > daughter from her 1st marriage died >> >> without > descendants." >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> I am unable > to find Clara in the 1920 census, but in 1920 > William >> >> was said to be married and living > alone in Pocatello, ID! It may seem >> > like >> >> they separated or divorced, since by > 1930 Clara "widowed" was listed as >> >> Clara > Diggles in the Montana census, and that's the > name she used when >> she >> >> died in > 1954! >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> I am unable to > produce other evidence, but do hope that > William >> H. >> >> O'Brien's origin can be > found! Thanks a million! >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> > Very sincerely yours, >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> > Lars E. Oyane >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> On Feb > 21, 2015, at 3:43 PM, Kathy Hines via > wrote: >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> William O’Brien > is a very common name around the U.S. Just > out >> of >> >> curiosity I checked the MN Death > Index and found 81 of them. We even >> > have >> >> a Wm O’Brien state park in > Washington county. >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> I > would hazard a guess that there is more than one > lawyer by the >> >> name of Wm O’Brien. Most > likely the one from Scotland and the one > from >> >> Maryland are probably not the same > guy. >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> You mentioned that > the Wm O’Brien that you seek was a >> > son-in-law. >> >> Is that right? Then can you > tell us more about the woman he married >> > and >> >> her family? Is there an obit for a > family member that names > him? >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> > Kathy >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> On > Feb 21, 2015, at 11:54 AM, Lars E. Oyane via > < >> >> norway@rootsweb.com> > wrote: >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> Dear Greg, > Mark and other > Listers! >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> Thank you > very much to both of you for sending me the > article >> on >> >> Judge O'Brien, Greg offline > and Mark with a transcript! I have read it >> >> > with great interest. >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> > However, I was disappointed it didn't include any > information >> at >> >> all about William's > background or surviving relatives. So then > there >> is a >> >> question; can possibly other > articles be found about this Idaho >> > Judge? The >> >> 1900, 1910 and 1920 census > records all claim he was a native of >> > Maryland >> >> with parents born in VA and NY > respectively, while one obituary says >> he > was >> >> born in Scotland and attended the > University of > Edinburgh! >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> So - > indeed conflicting information!!? What is > correct? >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> Thanks again > for your great assistance in this > matter! >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> Very > sincerely yours, >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> Lars > E. Oyane >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> On Feb > 20, 2015, at 8:06 PM, Mark Erickson via > wrote: >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> Friday, > February 6, 1925 >> >>>>>>>>>>> Afton Star Valley > Independent >> >>>>>>>>>>> JUDGE O’BRIEN PASSES > BEYOND A great many people in Star Valley >> >> > will ? grieved to learn of the death last week of > Judge W. H O’Brien. >> Judge >> >> O’Brien > came into the valley two or three years ago in > connection with >> the >> >> Oil Company and > while here made many sincere friends owing to > his >> honest >> >> and sincere desire to help > those who were less fortunate than himself. >> >> > Judge O'Brien has been ill for several years but > seemed to improve >> when in >> >> the valley, > owing to high altitude and plenty of fresh air. > He spent a >> few >> >> months in the valley last > fall, and it seemed to be the ambition of > his >> >> life to make our oil company’s > successful. The Judge held the love and >> >> > respect of all whom he came in contact with, and > we are indeed sorry to >> >> hear of his > passing. >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> I’ll see > if I can find anything > else. >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >> > ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe > from the list, please send an email to >> > NORWAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the > subject and the body of the message >> > > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe > from the list, please send an email to > NORWAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > Genealogy from Nes and Flå parish in Hallingdal. > FLÅ no. III is OUT!!! > Nes farm and family books volume III & IV - is delayed as of dispute! > Phone: +47 32068733 Cell : +47 9069 3540 > Steinar Vissebråten, N-3540 Nesbyen > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NORWAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Several of you noted errors. I absolutely HATE to make errors and waste everyone's time. My abject apologies. I have wracked my brain to figure out why I had wrong source links. Only thing I can come up with is that I had too many tabs/windows open and copied from the wrong one. Could not possibly be idiocy !!! Okay, I've gone over this another time and made some notes (IN CAPS, TO SET THEM OFF FROM THE ORIGINAL INQUIRY). Perhaps this will help give a clearer and more accurate picture. Possible there are two men by the same name from the same place, born the same year but died two different years. Maybe, but quite strange, if so. Jeanne ---------------------------------------- > From: norsky123@hotmail.com > To: norway@rootsweb.com > Subject: RE: PEDER BERSVENDSEN DRAXTEN - B. SELBU 1790 - DEATH DATE? > Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2015 19:14:21 +0000 There are two possible Arkivvverke records for a person named PEDER BERSVENDSEN DRAXTEN, husband of AGNETHE OLSDTR. RENAA Which one is the correct death date? Both work out to about 1790 for his DOB, said to be his correct birth year in other records. Their marriage is said to have taken place in Selbu in 1815 (I've not found that so far, but haven't looked yet either). [Source: "Draxen Folklet, 1716-1988", Pg. 162] Wife AGNETHE b. 1790 in Selbu (parents Ole Gunderson Renaa and Sigrid Olsdatr. Draxen) died 13 Mar 1851 in Selbu. Her death record is found below: HER DEATH IS NOTED AT THE FAR RIGHT COLUMN-TOP OF THE PAGE, LINE 16. THE SAME LINK AS BEFORE. SAYS SHE DIED MAR 13 1857 AT 61 YEARS. SHE WAS ALSO CALLED AGNIS (MY ERROR IN NOT NOTING THAT IN THE FIRST TRY). Source information: Sør-Trøndelag county, Selbu in Selbu, Parish register copy nr. 695C05 (1842-1858), Chronological list 1851, page 86. Permanent pagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=16319&idx_id=16319&uid=ny&idx_side=-89 Their children, all b. in Selbu: Bersven b. 1812 Ole b. 1815 Torkild b. 1818 SIGRID - b. 1819 (she is my line, later married Anders Christiansen from Horg, a recent inquiry on this list) Torkild b. 1822 Marit b. 1823 Agnethe b. 1826 Peder b. 1829 Beret b. 1833 Berith b. 1835 Which death record (below) is for Agnethe's husband, Peder Bersvendsen Draxton, supposedly born about 1790 in Selbu? The book (sourced above) used the 1857 date, but I also found an 1873 death record for the same name. Both work out to a 1790 DOB. I am now uncertain which death date to enter into my database. 1. Line #59 - Death Date 1873 THANKS TO E. SCRIVEN OF THIS LIST FOR A CORRECTED SOURCE. TOWARDS THE BOTTOM, LINE 59 Source information: Sør-Trøndelag county, Selbu in Selbu, Parish register copy nr. 695C07 (1869-1888), Death and burial records 1873, page 320. Permanent pagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=16321&idx_id=16321&uid=ny&idx_side=-268 2. Line #28 - Death Date 1857 (2 source links) 3RD COLUMN FROM THE LEFT, ABOUT 2/3's OF THE WAY DOWN THE PAGE. PEDER BERSVEND DRAXTEN, AGE 65. Source information: Sør-Trøndelag county, Selbu in Selbu, Parish register copy nr. 695C05 (1842-1858), Chronological list 1857, page 105. Permanent pagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=16319&idx_id=16319&uid=ny&idx_side=-108 HERE IS YET ANOTHER LINK, SENT BY E. SCRIVEN OF THIS LIST, THAT SHOWS THE 1857 DEATH AGAIN, ALSO AGE 65. LINE 27, NEARLY THE BOTTOM OF THE PAGE. Source information: Sør-Trøndelag county, Selbu in Selbu, Parish register (official) nr. 695A06 /1 (1843-1859), Death and burial records 1857, page 398. Permanent pagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=15709&idx_id=15709&uid=ny&idx_side=-282 Many thanks for any additional input anyone can give me on this new problem. Jeanne

Both links in the lower part of your message (Line #59 /Line #28) comes up with "Døbte/Baptism - records" not "Døde/death records" Halvor in Lier -----Opprinnelig melding----- From: Jeanne S via Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2015 8:14 PM To: NORWAY@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NOR] PEDER BERSVENDSEN DRAXTEN - B. SELBU 1790 - DEATH DATE? I have tried and been unable to send a message to the List this afternoon--or to the Administrator either. In both cases I get delivery status failures.......here is another try. Jeanne > There are two possible Arkivvverke records for a person named PEDER > BERSVENDSEN DRAXTEN, husband of AGNETHE OLSDTR. RENAA > Which one is the correct death date? Both work out to about 1790 for his > DOB, said to be his correct birth year in other records. > > Their marriage is said to have taken place in Selbu in 1815 (I've not > found that so far, but haven't looked yet either). > > [Source: "Draxen Folklet, 1716-1988", Pg. 162] > > Wife AGNETHE b. 1790 in Selbu (parents Ole Gunderson Renaa and Sigrid > Olsdatr. Draxen) died 13 Mar 1851 in Selbu. > Her death record is found here: > Source information: Sør-Trøndelag county, Selbu in Selbu, Parish register > copy nr. 695C05 (1842-1858), Chronological list 1851, page 86. > Permanent pagelink: > http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=16319&idx_id=16319&uid=ny&idx_side=-89 > > Their children, all b. in Selbu: > > Bersven b. 1812 > Ole b. 1815 > Torkild b. 1818 > SIGRID - b. 1819 (she is my line, later married Anders Christiansen from > Horg, a recent inquiry on this list) > Torkild b. 1822 > Marit b. 1823 > Agnethe b. 1826 > Peder b. 1829 > Beret b. 1833 > Berith b. 1835 > > Which death record (below) is for Agnethe's husband, Peder Bersvendsen > Draxton, supposedly born about 1790 in Selbu? > > The book (sourced above) used the 1857 date, but I also found an 1873 > death record for the same name. > I am now uncertain which death date to enter into my database. > > 1. Line #59 - Death Date 1873 > Source information: Sør-Trøndelag county, Selbu in Selbu, Parish register > copy nr. 695C07 (1869-1888), Death and burial records 1873, page 320. > Permanent pagelink: > http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=16321&idx_id=16321&uid=ny&idx_side=-26 > > 2. Line #28 - Death Date 1857 > Source information: Sør-Trøndelag county, Selbu in Selbu, Parish register > copy nr. 695C05 (1842-1858), Chronological list 1857, page 105. > Permanent pagelink: > http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=16321&idx_id=16321&uid=ny&idx_side=-108 > > > Many thanks for any additional input anyone can give me on this new > problem. > > Jeanne > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORWAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

http://digitalarkivet.arkivverket.no/en-gb/ft/person/pf01037536001385 Is this the persons you look for: If so , yes, Kristen Markussen was in Folden and Hans Johannesen was in Vardø. Halvor in Lier -----Opprinnelig melding----- From: Earl Sande via Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2015 6:22 PM To: norway@rootsweb.com Subject: [NOR] Stasb.: Trusamf.: Udtrådt intet Samfund Sannsynleg opphaldstad : Næs (1900 Census) ???? The notes "Stasb.: Trusamf.: Udtrådt intet Samfund Sannsynleg opphaldstad : Næs", "Statsb.: Trusamf.: Sannsynleg opphaldstad : Folden" and "Statsb.: Trusamf.: Sannsynleg opphaldstad : Vardø" appears in the 1900 Census for Markjørden 1859 Flakstad herred . Would this be that the person was absent during the Census taking and at Næs, etc.? Thanks. Earl

I have tried and been unable to send a message to the List this afternoon--or to the Administrator either.  In both cases I get delivery status failures.......here is another try. Jeanne > There are two possible Arkivvverke records for a person named PEDER BERSVENDSEN DRAXTEN, husband of AGNETHE OLSDTR. RENAA > Which one is the correct death date? Both work out to about 1790 for his DOB, said to be his correct birth year in other records. > > Their marriage is said to have taken place in Selbu in 1815 (I've not found that so far, but haven't looked yet either). > > [Source: "Draxen Folklet, 1716-1988", Pg. 162] > > Wife AGNETHE b. 1790 in Selbu (parents Ole Gunderson Renaa and Sigrid Olsdatr. Draxen) died 13 Mar 1851 in Selbu. > Her death record is found here: > Source information: Sør-Trøndelag county, Selbu in Selbu, Parish register copy nr. 695C05 (1842-1858), Chronological list 1851, page 86. > Permanent pagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=16319&idx_id=16319&uid=ny&idx_side=-89 > > Their children, all b. in Selbu: > > Bersven b. 1812 > Ole b. 1815 > Torkild b. 1818 > SIGRID - b. 1819 (she is my line, later married Anders Christiansen from Horg, a recent inquiry on this list) > Torkild b. 1822 > Marit b. 1823 > Agnethe b. 1826 > Peder b. 1829 > Beret b. 1833 > Berith b. 1835 > > Which death record (below) is for Agnethe's husband, Peder Bersvendsen Draxton, supposedly born about 1790 in Selbu? > > The book (sourced above) used the 1857 date, but I also found an 1873 death record for the same name. > I am now uncertain which death date to enter into my database. > > 1. Line #59 - Death Date 1873 > Source information: Sør-Trøndelag county, Selbu in Selbu, Parish register copy nr. 695C07 (1869-1888), Death and burial records 1873, page 320. > Permanent pagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=16321&idx_id=16321&uid=ny&idx_side=-26 > > 2. Line #28 - Death Date 1857 > Source information: Sør-Trøndelag county, Selbu in Selbu, Parish register copy nr. 695C05 (1842-1858), Chronological list 1857, page 105. > Permanent pagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=16321&idx_id=16321&uid=ny&idx_side=-108 > > > Many thanks for any additional input anyone can give me on this new problem. > > Jeanne > >