Here, Here!!!! Yah shur U betcha!!! Da old Hurry, Hurry and wait guy.... -----Original Message----- From: C&M Pederson via Sent: Monday, March 02, 2015 5:24 PM To: Barbara Young ; norway@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NOR] Delaying problem with Rootsweb server? patience is a virtue............... ;-) On 03-Mar-15 07:17 AM, Barbara Young via wrote: > Dear Lars, > > I am having the same problem. > > Sincerely, > Barbara in MA > > On 3/2/2015 10:27 AM, Lars E. Oyane via wrote: >> Dear Listers! >> >> The last couple of days I have experienced several times that messages >> which I post on the list don't get back to me as "posted" till more than >> 12 hours later. And the same has happened to messages intended for me. >> >> If the person sending something for me adding my address in the Cc. >> field, I receive the Cc - message at once, while the one going thru >> Rootsweb takes more than 12 hours to reach me! >> >> The same problem seems to occur also on a couple of other Rootsweb list >> which I follow... >> >> Is anyone else experiencing the same kind of system "disturbances"? >> >> Very sincerely yours, >> >> Lars E. Oyane >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> NORWAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NORWAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORWAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

That's so bad it is funny. Sent from my iPad > On Mar 2, 2015, at 8:13 PM, John Ferman via <norway@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > Over at Luverne, Minnesota, Ole went golfing one time with three Sons of Norway friends, Walt Tofteland, Irid Bjerke, and a Norwegian from Hills named Lars Olsen. After putting out at the fifth hole, Lars had an attack of epilepsy and was out cold. Back at the clubhouse, later on, Ole described the ordeal. "Yah, after da fifth hole, it vas hit da ball and drag Lars. Hit da ball and drag Lars." > > > Sent from my iPad > John Ferman > Kingfield Neighborhood > Minneapolis, MN > Email in header > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORWAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I didn’t see this go through, so I’ll try again and add a few thoughts. Hi Lars, I think the spellings for her name came from the clerk. It just sounded that way to him. I’m just going on memory here, but wasn’t it the same clerk clerk that misspelled her name different two times? Also, These are guardianship papers, not probate. Fredericka was still alive for these court proceedings. Here’s what I see from the info. 1) Frederica Irgens was the daughter of Annie J. (Canntison, Caunteson, Canutson, Caunteson, Canuteson?) formerly Anna Irgens. 2) The Anna mentioned above died 28 December 1883. 3) Anna was the wife of Frederick Irgens 4) Frederick Irgens and Anna had a daughter Fredericke(a) Irgens who was the sole heir to Frederick Irgens’ inheritance from his Norwegian family. 5) Frederick Irgens’ mother was named Sophia Irgens. What I don’t see is Ole Canuston. Did he die prior to all of this? Also, why was Fredricka’s mother trying to get guardianship? She was the mother. I don’t understand why a mother would need a court order to obtain guardianship. -Mark Not sure if you can see the documents. The first guardianship says Fredricka will receive 2,000 dollars. A lot of money back then. The second document says she will receive 2,500 dollars. Anna Irgens started all of the legal proceedings before she married Ole. The Illinois Supreme Court documents were about what seems to be a debt or policy that her husband (Frederick Irgens) entered into, and was then altered. Anna claimed that she was not responsible for a debt that was altered without her knowledge. She thought all debts were paid, but the other party wanted more money. In the end the Court agreed with Anna, but it took a long time.

Dear Lars, Grasping at straws but there was Hernæs family that married into my family and some of the children emigrated. If you need soem information about them, I can give you some - not much. though. Sincerely Barbara in MA On 3/2/2015 6:17 PM, Lars E. Oyane via wrote: > Dear Greg, Cliff and other Listers! > > Thank you very much for your latest comments on Ole Erickson Urnes! His destiny remains a big "mystery", and I really don't know where else to turn... > > Could he somehow have lied about his name or birth? My grandmother's only brother enlisted as a soldier in WW1, but when he was drafted to leave for the war, he had "disappeared". "No such person"! The family knew nothing about him until he showed up 30 years later...! > > Very sincerely yours, > > Lars E. Oyane > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > On Mar 2, 2015, at 9:00 AM, Cliff Lien via wrote: > >> But we cannot find an Ole Erickson, Eriksen etc. or Urnes/Urness/Arness or >> Lindestegen variations born 13 May 1897. >> He left Bergen 11 Jun 1914 and Ellis Island record (Ole E Urnes) says he is >> going to his Brother Jens Ericksen >> And Jens is in ????burg Minnesota ? >> >> Jens Urness was in Fargo, ND when he joined up in June 1917. >> >> Tricky one... >> >> Cliff Lien >> Alberta, Canada >> cjl@interbaun.com >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Gregory Holter via >> Sent: Sunday, March 01, 2015 10:02 AM >> To: Lars E. Oyane ; norway@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [NOR] Ole Erickson (Urnes), born Norway 1897 - killed in WW1 - >> date and place? >> >> A number of soldiers died from the influenza epidemic in 1918, both in >> Europe and in America. Perhaps Ole Erickson/Urnes was one of those? >> >> Greg Holter >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORWAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

:} I thought so too.;} Barbara in MA:} On 3/2/2015 6:12 PM, Carol Whitley Larson via wrote: > That's so bad it is funny. > > Sent from my iPad > >> On Mar 2, 2015, at 8:13 PM, John Ferman via <norway@rootsweb.com> wrote: >> >> Over at Luverne, Minnesota, Ole went golfing one time with three Sons of Norway friends, Walt Tofteland, Irid Bjerke, and a Norwegian from Hills named Lars Olsen. After putting out at the fifth hole, Lars had an attack of epilepsy and was out cold. Back at the clubhouse, later on, Ole described the ordeal. "Yah, after da fifth hole, it vas hit da ball and drag Lars. Hit da ball and drag Lars." >> >> >> Sent from my iPad >> John Ferman >> Kingfield Neighborhood >> Minneapolis, MN >> Email in header >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORWAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORWAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Dear Lars, I learned first hand about names!! My grandfathers birth record says he name Was Carl Georgsen- that crossed out and Karlsen entered. then as he got older he changed it to his mother's name Michelsen but when he was going to emigrate , he reverted to Karlsen and when he landed here , he was Michelsen again.:} So when name is problem, it can be a big problem or it can be a rather easy adjustment with spelling .:} All the best Sincerely, Barbara in MA On 3/2/2015 5:59 PM, Lars E. Oyane via wrote: > Dear Jerrald, Barbara, Bill and other Listers! > > Thank you very much for your comments on my Arthur Hill problem! I was particularly delighted to receive the newspaper clippings that you Bill have found and sent offline! > > Among the items you sent was a listing of a number of marriage licenses issued in King Co., WA in late August/early September of 1919, and this list includes: > > Arthur J. Hill and Harriet R. Krugmis (should have been Krugmire!) > > I have compared the list with the marriage licenses figuring on the official Washington site, and there is one discrepancy: > > Arthur A. Hill and Ruth A. Kiner > > were married by the Justice of the Peace at Seattle, WA on Aug. 26, 1919. These names do NOT figure in the list of licenses in King Co., WA, and I strongly suspect this has to be OUR couple. Harriet "Hattie"'s middle name was RUTH, and Kiner may be a "simplification" of Krugmire. Arthur's father's name was Andrew, so he could very well use "A" as a middle initial. > > What do you Listers think? > > This shows how fantastic the newspaper articles may sometimes be, and it gives inspiration to search for other items! > > Maybe there are similar DIVORCE COLUMNS in the newspaper archives? Or how can we find out what happened to Helen Jean Cowie, Arthur's 1st wife? > > Thanks again for your great assistance in this matter! > > Very sincerely yours, > > Lars E. Oyane > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > On Mar 2, 2015, at 4:50 PM, Bill Henshaw wrote: > >> Hi Lars, >> >> Can't remember if I sent any of these last year when you were asking about this person, but I thought you might find these interesting. >> >> The one from 1919 talks about his marriage license with Hattie. >> >> The ones from 1943 show his obit and death announcement. Strangely it shows him being born in Oslo, not Everett. >> >> The others talk about his escapades as a policemen. >> >> Bill >> >> On Sun, Mar 01, 2015 at 04:10 pm, Lars E. Oyane via <norway@rootsweb.com> wrote: >> >>> Dear Annette and other Listers! >>> >>> I am today coming back to my inquiry from last November regarding Arthur J. Hill and his multiple marriages in Washington state, i.e. I am actually today concentrating on the first two of his marriages: >>> >>> Arthur Joseph HILL, born at Everett, Snohomish Co., WA Sep. 5, 1893, married 1st time in Tacoma, WA Nov. 8, 1916 to >>> >>> ** Helen Jean COWIE, apparently born in Jefferson Co., WA Sep. 19, 1898(?) - the daughter of Charles Andrew Cowie (MN) and Ella Alice King (MI) - married in Seattle, WA Sep. 13, 1896 - Ella remarried in Bellingham, WA Jan. 30, 1908 Louis Ernest Hinkelman, born in OH Feb. 12, 1880, died Seattle, WA June 15, 1935 - he married again in Salt Lake City, UT Jan. 25, 1917 to Nona L. Harrington - Louis must have divorced Ella, and she may be the Helen Hinkleman "widowed" who 1920 lived in Los Angeles, CA! >>> >>> In June of 1917 (WW1 draft) Arthur Hill was married, ship captain, resided on 1414 5th Avenue in Seattle, WA >>> >>> They must have divorced shortly thereafter, and Arthur married again about 1920 to >>> >>> ** Harriet Ruth aka Hattie KRUGMIRE, born in Winona Co., MN Mar. 25, 1900 >>> >>> Very strange is: I cannot find any of these three persons in the 1920 census! >>> >>> My questions: >>> >>> **** Have I found the "right" Helen Jean COWIE? >>> >>> **** What became of Helen Jean Cowie Hill? >>> >>> **** Date and place of marriage of Arthur J. Hill and Hattie Krugmire? >>> >>> **** Where are these people in the 1920 census? >>> >>> **** Maybe the 1917 address for Arthur Hill in Seattle, WA can be followed up in later city directories? >>> >>> In thank you again so very much for any little idea or suggestion you may have to find the answers to these questions! >>> >>> Very sincerely yours, >>> >>> Lars E. Oyane >>> >>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORWAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Lars, There is nothing in the 1890 newspaper article that says it is her probate or that Fredricka is deceased. A living person can have an estate. The report of accounts could be those filed by her guardian when the girl turned 21 and no longer needed a guardian (21 was the age of majority at that time), although if she was born in 1876, she should have received her inheritance earlier unless a will or trust designated another age. In many counties the same court that handled probates also handled guardianships. Just a possibility. On the other hand, her tombstone could be wrong. You will need to check the court records to be sure. Neither LaSalle nor Grundy County has entries in the Illinois death index. Annette

Is there a book on Norwegian priests like there is for Danish priests? I am looking for priests prior to 1800. Thanks, Christina

Dear Kay, Mark, Annette and other Listers! Once again I am fascinated at what you folks manage to dig out of valuable information about these very "elusive" emigrant families which I am researching! Thanks a million, in particular to Mark, for having discovered Anna Canuteson's death in 1883. Now, maybe her husband Ole Canuteson will show up somewhere as well, unless he changed his name back to Knuteson or something similar... Now, maybe more interesting would be to find out whether Anna Brewick Irgens Canuteson had any children by Ole Canuteson? They would of course be heirs of Fredrikke Irgens when she died in 1890. Do you think, Mark, that her probate record can also be found online? By the way, how can Fredrikke's probate be held in 1890, when her tombstone says she died in 1896? Strange... Thanks again for your great assistance in this matter! I am indeed happy with all of these wonderful findings! Very sincerely yours, Lars E. Oyane ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ On Mar 2, 2015, at 12:25 PM, Mark Erickson via wrote: > Here's Fredrica Irgens Guardianship papers. There's two entries: > > > 1) Annie J. Canntison is the mother. She is the sole heir of deceased > Frederick Irgens and is set to receive a large sum of money from her > Grandmother in Norway. Sophia Irgens. > > > https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-15883-40417-52?cc=1834344&wc=SFK5-HZS:162589101,162622201 > > > 2) Fredrica's mother (Annie J. Caunteson) departed this life on the 28th > day of December 1883. Now Christine Williamson is being appointed guardian > of Frederica. (11 Jan. 1884) > > > https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-16031-29676-65?cc=1834344&wc=SFKR-RMS:162589101,162627401 >

Dear Greg, Cliff and other Listers! Thank you very much for your latest comments on Ole Erickson Urnes! His destiny remains a big "mystery", and I really don't know where else to turn... Could he somehow have lied about his name or birth? My grandmother's only brother enlisted as a soldier in WW1, but when he was drafted to leave for the war, he had "disappeared". "No such person"! The family knew nothing about him until he showed up 30 years later...! Very sincerely yours, Lars E. Oyane ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ On Mar 2, 2015, at 9:00 AM, Cliff Lien via wrote: > But we cannot find an Ole Erickson, Eriksen etc. or Urnes/Urness/Arness or > Lindestegen variations born 13 May 1897. > He left Bergen 11 Jun 1914 and Ellis Island record (Ole E Urnes) says he is > going to his Brother Jens Ericksen > And Jens is in ????burg Minnesota ? > > Jens Urness was in Fargo, ND when he joined up in June 1917. > > Tricky one... > > Cliff Lien > Alberta, Canada > cjl@interbaun.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Gregory Holter via > Sent: Sunday, March 01, 2015 10:02 AM > To: Lars E. Oyane ; norway@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [NOR] Ole Erickson (Urnes), born Norway 1897 - killed in WW1 - > date and place? > > A number of soldiers died from the influenza epidemic in 1918, both in > Europe and in America. Perhaps Ole Erickson/Urnes was one of those? > > Greg Holter >

Dear Cliff and other Listers! Thank you very much for your latest message on the Ingebrigt Melheim topic! I guess this passenger record from 1928 was already found before, but we have never found a record of Augusta (and Ingebrigt)'s travel TO Europe preceding the 1928 trip back to Montana! I have now received a report regarding Ingebrigt Melheim possuihle death in Sweden, and it was negative. No such person is recorded in the Sweden national death index! Today I also called the Clerk of District Court in Billings, MT, but unfortunately, NO probate record was found for Ingebrigt Melheim! So, it seems we have once again to rely upon NEWSPAPER ITEMS to figure out what happened to Ingebrigt Melheim! Is it possible that he went "south" or "west" for a better climate? Thanks again for your great assistance in this matter! Very sincerely yours, Lars E. Oyane ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ On Mar 2, 2015, at 12:04 PM, Cliff Lien via wrote: > I found Augusta on the Stavangerfjord in 1928. > Her home is Lowell, Montana > > http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/7488/NYT715_4252-0136/2004567391?backurl=http%3a%2f%2fsearch.ancestry.co.uk%2fcgi-bin%2fsse.dll%3fdb%3dnypl%26so%3d2%26pcat%3d40%26uidh%3d000%26rank%3d1%26new%3d1%26gsln%3dMelheim%26MSAV%3d1%26cp%3d0%26cpxt%3d0%26catBucket%3drstp%26sbo%3dt%26gsbco%3dSweden%26noredir%3dtrue%26gsln_x%3dXO%26gss%3dangs-c&ssrc=&backlabel=ReturnSearchResults > > > Cliff Lien > Alberta, Canada > cjl@interbaun.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: Lars E. Oyane via > Sent: Sunday, March 01, 2015 6:06 PM > To: norway@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [NOR] Ingebrigt and Augusta Melheim - emigrated 1906 > toCleveland,OH - lived 1915 and 1928 in Montana - what became of them? > > By the way, what I also find strange as far as this family is concerned; we > haven't found any passenger records for their travel FROM the US and back to > Europe, neither in 1909/1910 or in 1928! Maybe the name has again been > misspelt? >

Lars, I don't know how far back the newspaper lists go for divorces in WA (or in Seattle, I should say). Divorces are not listed now, but in 1940 they were, as I somehow found a listing in one of the Seattle papers for a divorce filed in 1937, and granted in 1940. I don't remember how I did that, or if they were listed far enough back to help you. Not sure I'm any help to you on this one! And I'm too busy with other projects tonight to hunt. Other listers might be able to look for them, though. An interesting man, Arthur Hill! Doris On Mon, Mar 2, 2015 at 2:59 PM, Lars E. Oyane via <norway@rootsweb.com> wrote: > Dear Jerrald, Barbara, Bill and other Listers! > > Thank you very much for your comments on my Arthur Hill problem! I was > particularly delighted to receive the newspaper clippings that you Bill > have found and sent offline! > > Among the items you sent was a listing of a number of marriage licenses > issued in King Co., WA in late August/early September of 1919, and this > list includes: > > Arthur J. Hill and Harriet R. Krugmis (should have been Krugmire!) > > I have compared the list with the marriage licenses figuring on the > official Washington site, and there is one discrepancy: > > Arthur A. Hill and Ruth A. Kiner > > were married by the Justice of the Peace at Seattle, WA on Aug. 26, 1919. > These names do NOT figure in the list of licenses in King Co., WA, and I > strongly suspect this has to be OUR couple. Harriet "Hattie"'s middle name > was RUTH, and Kiner may be a "simplification" of Krugmire. Arthur's > father's name was Andrew, so he could very well use "A" as a middle initial. > > What do you Listers think? > > This shows how fantastic the newspaper articles may sometimes be, and it > gives inspiration to search for other items! > > Maybe there are similar DIVORCE COLUMNS in the newspaper archives? Or how > can we find out what happened to Helen Jean Cowie, Arthur's 1st wife? > > Thanks again for your great assistance in this matter! > > Very sincerely yours, > > Lars E. Oyane > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > On Mar 2, 2015, at 4:50 PM, Bill Henshaw wrote: > > > Hi Lars, > > > > Can't remember if I sent any of these last year when you were asking > about this person, but I thought you might find these interesting. > > > > The one from 1919 talks about his marriage license with Hattie. > > > > The ones from 1943 show his obit and death announcement. Strangely it > shows him being born in Oslo, not Everett. > > > > The others talk about his escapades as a policemen. > > > > Bill > > > > On Sun, Mar 01, 2015 at 04:10 pm, Lars E. Oyane via <norway@rootsweb.com> > wrote: > > > >> Dear Annette and other Listers! > >> > >> I am today coming back to my inquiry from last November regarding > Arthur J. Hill and his multiple marriages in Washington state, i.e. I am > actually today concentrating on the first two of his marriages: > >> > >> Arthur Joseph HILL, born at Everett, Snohomish Co., WA Sep. 5, 1893, > married 1st time in Tacoma, WA Nov. 8, 1916 to > >> > >> ** Helen Jean COWIE, apparently born in Jefferson Co., WA Sep. 19, > 1898(?) - the daughter of Charles Andrew Cowie (MN) and Ella Alice King > (MI) - married in Seattle, WA Sep. 13, 1896 - Ella remarried in Bellingham, > WA Jan. 30, 1908 Louis Ernest Hinkelman, born in OH Feb. 12, 1880, died > Seattle, WA June 15, 1935 - he married again in Salt Lake City, UT Jan. 25, > 1917 to Nona L. Harrington - Louis must have divorced Ella, and she may > be the Helen Hinkleman "widowed" who 1920 lived in Los Angeles, CA! > >> > >> In June of 1917 (WW1 draft) Arthur Hill was married, ship captain, > resided on 1414 5th Avenue in Seattle, WA > >> > >> They must have divorced shortly thereafter, and Arthur married again > about 1920 to > >> > >> ** Harriet Ruth aka Hattie KRUGMIRE, born in Winona Co., MN Mar. 25, > 1900 > >> > >> Very strange is: I cannot find any of these three persons in the 1920 > census! > >> > >> My questions: > >> > >> **** Have I found the "right" Helen Jean COWIE? > >> > >> **** What became of Helen Jean Cowie Hill? > >> > >> **** Date and place of marriage of Arthur J. Hill and Hattie Krugmire? > >> > >> **** Where are these people in the 1920 census? > >> > >> **** Maybe the 1917 address for Arthur Hill in Seattle, WA can be > followed up in later city directories? > >> > >> In thank you again so very much for any little idea or suggestion you > may have to find the answers to these questions! > >> > >> Very sincerely yours, > >> > >> Lars E. Oyane > >> > >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NORWAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Dear Jerrald, Barbara, Bill and other Listers! Thank you very much for your comments on my Arthur Hill problem! I was particularly delighted to receive the newspaper clippings that you Bill have found and sent offline! Among the items you sent was a listing of a number of marriage licenses issued in King Co., WA in late August/early September of 1919, and this list includes: Arthur J. Hill and Harriet R. Krugmis (should have been Krugmire!) I have compared the list with the marriage licenses figuring on the official Washington site, and there is one discrepancy: Arthur A. Hill and Ruth A. Kiner were married by the Justice of the Peace at Seattle, WA on Aug. 26, 1919. These names do NOT figure in the list of licenses in King Co., WA, and I strongly suspect this has to be OUR couple. Harriet "Hattie"'s middle name was RUTH, and Kiner may be a "simplification" of Krugmire. Arthur's father's name was Andrew, so he could very well use "A" as a middle initial. What do you Listers think? This shows how fantastic the newspaper articles may sometimes be, and it gives inspiration to search for other items! Maybe there are similar DIVORCE COLUMNS in the newspaper archives? Or how can we find out what happened to Helen Jean Cowie, Arthur's 1st wife? Thanks again for your great assistance in this matter! Very sincerely yours, Lars E. Oyane ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ On Mar 2, 2015, at 4:50 PM, Bill Henshaw wrote: > Hi Lars, > > Can't remember if I sent any of these last year when you were asking about this person, but I thought you might find these interesting. > > The one from 1919 talks about his marriage license with Hattie. > > The ones from 1943 show his obit and death announcement. Strangely it shows him being born in Oslo, not Everett. > > The others talk about his escapades as a policemen. > > Bill > > On Sun, Mar 01, 2015 at 04:10 pm, Lars E. Oyane via <norway@rootsweb.com> wrote: > >> Dear Annette and other Listers! >> >> I am today coming back to my inquiry from last November regarding Arthur J. Hill and his multiple marriages in Washington state, i.e. I am actually today concentrating on the first two of his marriages: >> >> Arthur Joseph HILL, born at Everett, Snohomish Co., WA Sep. 5, 1893, married 1st time in Tacoma, WA Nov. 8, 1916 to >> >> ** Helen Jean COWIE, apparently born in Jefferson Co., WA Sep. 19, 1898(?) - the daughter of Charles Andrew Cowie (MN) and Ella Alice King (MI) - married in Seattle, WA Sep. 13, 1896 - Ella remarried in Bellingham, WA Jan. 30, 1908 Louis Ernest Hinkelman, born in OH Feb. 12, 1880, died Seattle, WA June 15, 1935 - he married again in Salt Lake City, UT Jan. 25, 1917 to Nona L. Harrington - Louis must have divorced Ella, and she may be the Helen Hinkleman "widowed" who 1920 lived in Los Angeles, CA! >> >> In June of 1917 (WW1 draft) Arthur Hill was married, ship captain, resided on 1414 5th Avenue in Seattle, WA >> >> They must have divorced shortly thereafter, and Arthur married again about 1920 to >> >> ** Harriet Ruth aka Hattie KRUGMIRE, born in Winona Co., MN Mar. 25, 1900 >> >> Very strange is: I cannot find any of these three persons in the 1920 census! >> >> My questions: >> >> **** Have I found the "right" Helen Jean COWIE? >> >> **** What became of Helen Jean Cowie Hill? >> >> **** Date and place of marriage of Arthur J. Hill and Hattie Krugmire? >> >> **** Where are these people in the 1920 census? >> >> **** Maybe the 1917 address for Arthur Hill in Seattle, WA can be followed up in later city directories? >> >> In thank you again so very much for any little idea or suggestion you may have to find the answers to these questions! >> >> Very sincerely yours, >> >> Lars E. Oyane >> >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Dear Lars, I am having the same problem. Sincerely, Barbara in MA On 3/2/2015 10:27 AM, Lars E. Oyane via wrote: > Dear Listers! > > The last couple of days I have experienced several times that messages which I post on the list don't get back to me as "posted" till more than 12 hours later. And the same has happened to messages intended for me. > > If the person sending something for me adding my address in the Cc. field, I receive the Cc - message at once, while the one going thru Rootsweb takes more than 12 hours to reach me! > > The same problem seems to occur also on a couple of other Rootsweb list which I follow... > > Is anyone else experiencing the same kind of system "disturbances"? > > Very sincerely yours, > > Lars E. Oyane > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORWAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Lars,  on findagrave I found a Frederica Irgens, born 23 Jan 1878; d. 20 Mar 1895 buried in Saratoga Cemetery, Morris, Grundy County, Illinois.  However, in looking at the stone that is posted it looks as if the year of birth is 1876, not 1878.Also Grundy County is just east of LaSalle County, so this could possibly be the daughter of Anna. Kay Jetton in S. IL On Monday, March 2, 2015 7:01 AM, Lars E. Oyane via <norway@rootsweb.com> wrote: Dear Listers! I am "stuck" on a family in La Salle Co., IL.  Can someone help me? The 1880 census for Rutland township, LaSalle Co., IL shows this family: CANUTSON, Ole  33  IL  Nor  Nor  farmer CANUTSON, Anna  28  IL  Nor  Nor  wife IRGENS, Fredericke  4  IL  Nor  IL  stepdaughter I believe Ole and Anna's roots go back to Rennesoy or Aardal in Rogaland; only Fredericke's father had a connection to Luster Co., Norway! Ole Canutson of LaSalle Co., IL, son of Jens Knutson and Margretha Johnson, and Anna Irgens nee Brevig of LaSalle Co., IL, daughter of Henry Brevig and Sonova Johnson were married in LaSalle Co., IL on July 18, 1878. Now I have searched ancestry.com, FamilySearch and Find-a-grave looking for this family, but to no avail.  I just don't find any trace of them at all after 1880! Can anyone please help me?  Maybe newspaper items can be located? Thanks a million for your great assistance! Very sincerely yours, Lars E. Oyane ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORWAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Lars, Findagrave has a tombstone for Frederick Irgens in Norway Cemetery in LaSalle, IL. He might be the child's father. If so, he may have died before her birth. There are 3 Canursons recorded in that cemetery on Findagrave, but not your Ole and Anna. http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=49730393 There is a Frederica Irgens in Grundy Co., Illinois. The transcription says she was born Jan 23, 1878, but the photo of the tombstone looks like 1876 to me. This girl died Mar. 20, 1895, which would explain why you didn't find her in a later census. http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=36082328 I wonder if the parents' name might be Knutson rather than Canutson (or have been recorded with that spelling). Annette On 3/1/15, Lars E. Oyane via <norway@rootsweb.com> wrote: > Dear Listers! > > I am "stuck" on a family in La Salle Co., IL. Can someone help me? > > The 1880 census for Rutland township, LaSalle Co., IL shows this family: > > CANUTSON, Ole 33 IL Nor Nor farmer > CANUTSON, Anna 28 IL Nor Nor wife > IRGENS, Fredericke 4 IL Nor IL stepdaughter > > I believe Ole and Anna's roots go back to Rennesoy or Aardal in Rogaland; > only Fredericke's father had a connection to Luster Co., Norway! > > Ole Canutson of LaSalle Co., IL, son of Jens Knutson and Margretha Johnson, > and > Anna Irgens nee Brevig of LaSalle Co., IL, daughter of Henry Brevig and > Sonova Johnson > were married in LaSalle Co., IL on July 18, 1878. > > Now I have searched ancestry.com, FamilySearch and Find-a-grave looking for > this family, but to no avail. I just don't find any trace of them at all > after 1880! > > Can anyone please help me? Maybe newspaper items can be located? > > Thanks a million for your great assistance! > > Very sincerely yours, > > Lars E. Oyane > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NORWAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

Over at Luverne, Minnesota, Ole went golfing one time with three Sons of Norway friends, Walt Tofteland, Irid Bjerke, and a Norwegian from Hills named Lars Olsen. After putting out at the fifth hole, Lars had an attack of epilepsy and was out cold. Back at the clubhouse, later on, Ole described the ordeal. "Yah, after da fifth hole, it vas hit da ball and drag Lars. Hit da ball and drag Lars." Sent from my iPad John Ferman Kingfield Neighborhood Minneapolis, MN Email in header

Dear Lars, Have any of the voting rolls been sought? I have never done that sort of search so I don't know if you would look in the Towns or if the State would have such lists. Some States and locations allowed women to vote before the national government made it mandatory in 1920. I do not know the States or places that did allow them to vote. Sincerely, Barbara in MA On 3/1/2015 7:10 PM, Lars E. Oyane via wrote: > Dear Annette and other Listers! > > I am today coming back to my inquiry from last November regarding Arthur J. Hill and his multiple marriages in Washington state, i.e. I am actually today concentrating on the first two of his marriages: > > Arthur Joseph HILL, born at Everett, Snohomish Co., WA Sep. 5, 1893, married 1st time in Tacoma, WA Nov. 8, 1916 to > > ** Helen Jean COWIE, apparently born in Jefferson Co., WA Sep. 19, 1898(?) - the daughter of Charles Andrew Cowie (MN) and Ella Alice King (MI) - married in Seattle, WA Sep. 13, 1896 - Ella remarried in Bellingham, WA Jan. 30, 1908 Louis Ernest Hinkelman, born in OH Feb. 12, 1880, died Seattle, WA June 15, 1935 - he married again in Salt Lake City, UT Jan. 25, 1917 to Nona L. Harrington - Louis must have divorced Ella, and she may be the Helen Hinkleman "widowed" who 1920 lived in Los Angeles, CA! > > In June of 1917 (WW1 draft) Arthur Hill was married, ship captain, resided on 1414 5th Avenue in Seattle, WA > > They must have divorced shortly thereafter, and Arthur married again about 1920 to > > ** Harriet Ruth aka Hattie KRUGMIRE, born in Winona Co., MN Mar. 25, 1900 > > Very strange is: I cannot find any of these three persons in the 1920 census! > > My questions: > > **** Have I found the "right" Helen Jean COWIE? > > **** What became of Helen Jean Cowie Hill? > > **** Date and place of marriage of Arthur J. Hill and Hattie Krugmire? > > **** Where are these people in the 1920 census? > > **** Maybe the 1917 address for Arthur Hill in Seattle, WA can be followed up in later city directories? > > In thank you again so very much for any little idea or suggestion you may have to find the answers to these questions! > > Very sincerely yours, > > Lars E. Oyane > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > On Nov 13, 2014, at 2:34 PM, Annette Bowen via wrote: > >> There was another Helen Cowie in Seattle in the 1900 census but she >> was older than Arthur. >> >> Name: Helen J Cowie >> Titles and Terms: >> Event Type: Census >> Event Year: 1900 >> Event Place: Precinct 6 Seattle city Ward 1, King, Washington, United States >> District: 85 >> Gender: Female >> Age: 25 >> Marital Status: Single >> Race: White >> Race (Original): W >> Relationship to Head of Household: Daughter >> Relationship to Head of Household (Original): Daughter >> Number of Living Children: >> Years Married: >> Birth Date: Jan 1875 >> Birthplace: Minn >> Marriage Year (Estimated): >> Immigration Year: >> Father's Birthplace: Scotland >> Mother's Birthplace: >> Mother of how many children: >> Sheet Number and Letter: 5A >> Household ID: 97 >> Line Number: 35 >> Affiliate Name: The U.S. National Archives and Records Administration (NARA) >> Affiliate Publication Number: T623 >> GS Film Number: 1241744 >> Digital Folder Number: 004118873 >> Image Number: 00672 >> >> >> Household Role Gender Age Birthplace >> Wm H Cowie Head M 58 Scotland >> Minnie R Cowie Wife F 33 Canada E >> Calanthie Cowie Daughter F 17 Oregon >> Hermeonie Cowie Daughter F 15 Wash >> Minnie Cowie Daughter F 7 Wash >> Helen J Cowie Daughter F 25 Minn >> Alex Donald Cowie Son M 22 Oregon >> >> Citing this Record: >> "United States Census, 1900," index and images, <i>FamilySearch</i> >> (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/MMPF-2P5 : accessed 13 Nov >> 2014), Helen J Cowie in household of Wm H Cowie, Precinct 6 Seattle >> city Ward 1, King, Washington, United States; citing sheet 5A, family >> 97, NARA microfilm publication T623, National Archives and Records >> Administration, Washington, D.C.; FHL microfilm 1241744. >> >> On 11/13/14, Annette Bowen <annette.bowen@gmail.com> wrote: >>> Here is a Helen Hinkleman in Los Angeles in 1920. >>> >>> Name: Helen Hinkleman >>> Titles and Terms: >>> Event Type: Census >>> Event Year: 1920 >>> Event Place: Los Angeles Assembly District 61, Los Angeles, >>> California, United States >>> District: 115 >>> Gender: Female >>> Age: 37 >>> Marital Status: Widowed >>> Race: White >>> Race (Original): White >>> Can Read: Yes >>> Can Write: Yes >>> Relationship to Head of Household: Companion >>> Relationship to Head of Household (Original): Companion >>> Own or Rent: >>> Birth Year (Estimated): 1883 >>> Birthplace: Michigan >>> Immigration Year: >>> Father's Birthplace: Ohio >>> Mother's Birthplace: Ohio >>> Sheet Number and Letter: 8A >>> Household ID: 209 >>> Line Number: 38 >>> Affiliate Name: The U.S. National Archives and Records Administration >>> (NARA) >>> Affiliate Publication Number: T625 >>> GS Film number: 1820105 >>> Digital Folder Number: 004293705 >>> Image Number: 00468 >>> >>> >>> Household Role Gender Age Birthplace >>> Frank E Crowder Head M 35 Utah >>> Ethelyn Crowder Wife F 35 Illinois >>> Helen Hinkleman Companion F 37 Michigan >>> >>> Citing this Record: >>> "United States Census, 1920," index and images, <i>FamilySearch</i> >>> (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/MHQ6-MMG : accessed 13 Nov >>> 2014), Helen Hinkleman in household of Frank E Crowder, Los Angeles >>> Assembly District 61, Los Angeles, California, United States; citing >>> sheet 8A, family 209, NARA microfilm publication T625, National >>> Archives and Records Administration, Washington D.C.; FHL microfilm >>> 1820105. >>> >>> On 11/13/14, Annette Bowen <annette.bowen@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> I found two men named Louis Hinkelman in the World War I Draft >>>> Registration Cards, but neither had a wife named Helen. Maybe he had >>>> married someone else between 1910 and 1917. It looks like the one in >>>> Alaska died in Seattle in 1935. >>>> >>>> Name: Louis Ernest Hinkelman >>>> Event Date: 15 Jun 1935 >>>> Event Place: Seattle, King, Washington >>>> Gender: Male >>>> Race (Original): >>>> Age (Formatted): 55 years 4 months 3 days >>>> Birth Year (Estimated): 1880 >>>> Birth Date: >>>> Birthplace: >>>> Marital Status: Married >>>> Spouse's Name: Nona Hinkelman >>>> Father's Name: Charles Hinkelman >>>> Father's Birthplace: >>>> Mother's Name: Margaret Christman >>>> Mother's Birthplace: >>>> Occupation: >>>> Address: >>>> Residence Place: >>>> Cemetery: >>>> Burial Place: >>>> Burial Date: >>>> Informant's Name (Original): >>>> GS Film number: 2023298 >>>> Digital Folder Number: 4222337 >>>> Image Number: 2581 >>>> Reference ID: 2247 >>>> >>>> Citing this Record: >>>> "Washington, Death Certificates, 1907-1960," index, >>>> <i>FamilySearch</i> (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/N35P-BVT : >>>> accessed 13 Nov 2014), Louis Ernest Hinkelman, 15 Jun 1935; citing >>>> Seattle, King, Washington, reference 2247, Bureau of Vital Statistics, >>>> Olympia; FHL microfilm 2023298. >>>> >>>> Louis Hinkelman Jr. in Los Angeles with nearest relative his mother >>>> Margaret. >>>> https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1942-26182-3004-19?cc=1968530 >>>> >>>> Louis Ernest Hinkelman in Anchorage, Alaska with wife Nora >>>> https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1951-26178-16294-32?cc=1968530 >>>> >>>> There was also a Charles Louis Hinkelman in Davenport Iowa with >>>> nearest relative Helena A. Hinkelman of Los Angeles, but I think she'd >>>> be too old to be your Helen A. since she had a son born in 1884. >>>> https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1942-26343-22384-56?cc=1968530 >>>> >>>> >>>> Annette >>>> >>>> On 11/13/14, Lars E. Oyane via <norway@rootsweb.com> wrote: >>>>> Dear Barbara, Phil, Mark, Doris, Doris, Annette and other Listers! >>>>> >>>>> Thank you all very much for interesting comments on my inquiry about >>>>> Arthur >>>>> J. Hill! I am unable to find a reference to Arthur's first marriage to >>>>> Joan >>>>> at Davenport, WA in 1931, but maybe the Davenport licenses are among the >>>>> ones that have not yet been added to the Washington State marriage >>>>> index! >>>>> Anyway, both of their marriages from 1932 are copied in the Washington >>>>> records, and they appear both to be complete! >>>>> >>>>> As far as Arthur's first wife Helen Jean Cowie is concerned, I see only >>>>> one >>>>> good "candidate" in the records on ancestry.com: >>>>> >>>>> Helen Cowie, born in Jefferson Co., WA Sep. 19, 1898 to parents C. A. >>>>> Cowie >>>>> and Ella A. King. The 1900 census shows Chas Andrew Cowie (MN) and wife >>>>> Ella Alice (MI) residing in Seattle, King Co., WA. By 1910 the mother >>>>> Helen >>>>> A. was in her 2nd marriage to Louis Hinkelmann, still residing in >>>>> Seattle, >>>>> WA. However, the daughter is listed as Helen D. Cowie!! >>>>> >>>>> Then I find no further information, neither about Helen, nor about her >>>>> mother or stepfather! Maybe other eyes can see them better? >>>>> >>>>> Thanks again for your great assistance in this matter! >>>>> >>>>> Very sincerely yours, >>>>> >>>>> Lars E. Oyane >>>>> >>>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >>>>> >>>>> On Nov 12, 2014, at 3:35 PM, Mark Erickson via wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Fairbanks Daily News-Miner (Fairbanks, Alaska) >>>>>> >>>>>> Monday, April 25, 1932 - Page 1 >>>>>> >>>>>> VALDEZ COUPLE TAKE OUT MARRIAGE LICENSE >>>>>> >>>>>> Wenatchee, Was., April 25 - 1932 >>>>>> >>>>>> Arthur J. Hill and Mrs. Joan M. Dillon, both of Valdez, obtained a >>>>>> marriage >>>>>> license. >>>>>> >>>>>> ________________________________________ >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> There seems to be several articles about an Arthur Hill who is a miner. >>>>>> Mrs. Arthur Hill is always listed as living in Seattle. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Alaska Miner (Fairbanks, Alaska) >>>>>> >>>>>> Tuesday, Sept. 27, 1938 - Page 24 >>>>>> >>>>>> Many Former Residents Register at Sourdough Session >>>>>> >>>>>> The following former residents of Alaska were among those registered at >>>>>> the recent Portland sourdough convention: >>>>>> >>>>>> ….. >>>>>> >>>>>> Formerly at Wiseman >>>>>> >>>>>> Mrs. Arthur Hill - a one-time resident of Wiseman, was a convention >>>>>> attendant from Seattle, her present residence. >>>>>> >>>>>> ________________________________________ >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Sourdough Reunions >>>>>> >>>>>> http://www.hougengroup.com/yukon-history/yukon-nuggets/year/1938/ >>>>>> >>>>>> On Wed, Nov 12, 2014 at 12:12 PM, Lars E. Oyane via >>>>>> <norway@rootsweb.com> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Dear Listers! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Some times you may wonder about people and whether you have the >>>>>>> correct >>>>>>> information. Here is one who is really giving me a hard time ....: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Arthur Joseph Hill, born in Snohomish Co., WA Sep. 5, 1892, moved as a >>>>>>> child with his (divorced) mother Christine to Valdez, AK and was >>>>>>> partly >>>>>>> raised there. He returned to WA during the 1910's and was married: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 1st time at Tacoma, WA Nov. 8, 1916 to Helen Jean Cowie. They are >>>>>>> listed >>>>>>> together in the 1917 Seattle, WA city directory, but then Helen >>>>>>> appears >>>>>>> to >>>>>>> have "disappeared", and I have no further information about her! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 2nd time about 1920 (date and place unknown) to Harriet Ruth aka >>>>>>> Hattie >>>>>>> Krugmire, born in Winona Co., MN Mar. 25, 1900, died in Seattle, WA >>>>>>> Nov. >>>>>>> 10, 1983, but was divorced from Arthur about 1926. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 3rd time at Davenport, WA June 9, 1931 to Josephine Marie aka Joan M. >>>>>>> Dillon, nee Maidment, born in King Co., WA Feb. 21, 1897. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 4th time at Tacoma, WA Feb. 22, 1932 to the same Joan M. Dillon. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 5th time at Wenatchee, WA Apr. 18, 1932 to the same Joan M. Dillon. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Arthur was a police department patrolman, and he died in Seattle, WA >>>>>>> Jan. >>>>>>> 13, 1943. Joan later married again and died at Milwaukie, OR May 11, >>>>>>> 1980. Arthur had, to my knowledge, no children from either marriage! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Arthur's 3rd marriage in 1931 was given to me by a relative; I don't >>>>>>> find >>>>>>> it in the Washington State marriage index. Neither do I find his >>>>>>> marriage >>>>>>> to Hattie Krugmire! But looking at the two marriage licenses from >>>>>>> 1932, >>>>>>> only 8 weeks apart, they certainly cannot be one and the same? Or do >>>>>>> I >>>>>>> understand them awkward in some way? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Any assistance I can get to: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> * identify Helen Joan Cowie >>>>>>> >>>>>>> * obtain the date and place of marriage to Hattie Krugmire >>>>>>> >>>>>>> * explain the three marriages to Joan Dillon >>>>>>> >>>>>>> would be more than welcome! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Very sincerely yours, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Lars E. 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Here's Fredrica Irgens Guardianship papers. There's two entries: 1) Annie J. Canntison is the mother. She is the sole heir of deceased Frederick Irgens and is set to receive a large sum of money from her Grandmother in Norway. Sophia Irgens. https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-15883-40417-52?cc=1834344&wc=SFK5-HZS:162589101,162622201 2) Fredrica's mother (Annie J. Caunteson) departed this life on the 28th day of December 1883. Now Christine Williamson is being appointed guardian of Frederica. (11 Jan. 1884) https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-16031-29676-65?cc=1834344&wc=SFKR-RMS:162589101,162627401

It sounds like Fredicke (Fredricka) died in 1889. The Ottawa free trader., January 04, 1890, Page 5 Estate of Fredricka Irgens. Report of accounts filed and approved. http://tinyurl.com/pgrg8yp