Dear Annette, Leslie and other Listers! Thank you very much for your latest comments on the Arthur Hill problem! I am happy to hear you found the divorce of Helen and Samuel (it should be Louis!) Hinkelman in 1912, but there is no need to send it when it doesn't give any further details. I suppose you didn't find the one of Arthur and Helen Jean Hill, or did you? It is interesting to learn that Helen Hinkleman is buried at Colma, CA, but what a huge cemetery with almost 180.000 burials! I will try a phone call when daylight reaches California, but I have also sent an inquiry for help to the NorCal list hoping to find someone who can help me further... Thanks again for your great assistance in this matter! Very sincerely yours, Lars E. Oyane ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ On Mar 4, 2015, at 1:11 AM, Annette Bowen via wrote: > Findagrave.com shows Helen Hinkleman buried in Cypress Lawn Memorial Park, Colma, San Mateo County, California, USA, but it doesn't show her tombstone or have any information on her except her date of death. Maybe you could get information from the cemetery. > > http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=87837159 > > Annette > > On 3/4/15, Annette Bowen <annette.bowen@gmail.com> wrote: >> Lars, >> I found divorce decrees in the Seattle Sunday Times, Dec. 1, 1912 that mentioned Helen Alice Hinkelman from Samuel Ernest Hinkelman, nonsupport. I can send it to you off-list if you want it, but that is the only information it gives. I didn't find her obit. >> >> Annette >> >> On 3/3/15, Lars E. Oyane via <norway@rootsweb.com> wrote: >>> Dear Listers, >>> >>> Following up on my own suggestion I have found the death record for Helen Jean nee Cowie's mother: >>> >>> Name: Helen Alice Hinkleman >>> Event Type: Death >>> Event Date: 07 Oct 1952 >>> Event Place: San Francisco, California, United States >>> Birth Date: 21 May 1878 >>> Birthplace: Unknown >>> Gender: Female >>> Father's Name: King >>> >>> However, getting original death records from San Francisco, CA is expensive and takes a long time... Maybe an obituary can be found...? >>> >>> Thanks again for your great assistance in this matter! >>> >>> Very sincerely yours, >>> >>> Lars E. Oyane >>> >>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >>> >>> On Mar 3, 2015, at 11:54 PM, Lars E. Oyane via wrote: >>> >>>> Dear Doris and other Listers, >>>> >>>> Thank you very much, Doris, for your latest comment on "my" Arthur Hill problem! >>>> >>>> I guess finding the actual divorce record for Arthur and his 1st wife Helen Jean nee Cowie is NOT the big item in this matter. Much more important to me would it be to find out what happened to her AFTER she divorced Arthur? >>>> >>>> I have received a copy of Helen Jean's stepfather Louis Hinkelman's death certificate from Seattle, WA from June 15, 1935, hoping that might be of help to trace Helen Jean, but was disappointed. As I already said before, Louis married a 2nd time in 1917 to this Nona Harrington of Prince Albert, >>>> SK, and he was himself a resident of Great Falls, MT at the time! He sure got around, didn't he? He divorced Nona as well, and he was cremated. >>>> >>>> So, I guess, if we cannot find Helen Jean nee Cowie, born 1898, we must try to figure out what became of her mother: >>>> >>>> Ella Alice who in 1920 was "widowed" and living as someone's companion in Los Angeles, CA under the name of Helen Hinkleman, born in Michigan about 1881? >>>> >>>> Thanks again for your great efforts trying to help me in this matter! >>>> >>>> Very sincerely yours, >>>> >>>> Lars E. Oyane >>>> >>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >>>> >>>> On Mar 2, 2015, at 9:02 PM, Doris Waggoner via wrote: >>>> >>>>> Lars, >>>>> >>>>> I don't know how far back the newspaper lists go for divorces in WA (or in Seattle, I should say). Divorces are not listed now, but in 1940 they were, as I somehow found a listing in one of the Seattle papers for a divorce filed in 1937, and granted in 1940. I don't remember how I did that, or if they were listed far enough back to help you. Not sure I'm any help to you on this one! And I'm too busy with other projects tonight to hunt. Other listers might be able to look for them, though. An interesting man, Arthur Hill! >>>>> >>>>> Doris >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Mar 2, 2015 at 2:59 PM, Lars E. Oyane via <norway@rootsweb.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Dear Jerrald, Barbara, Bill and other Listers! >>>>>> >>>>>> Thank you very much for your comments on my Arthur Hill problem! I was particularly delighted to receive the newspaper clippings that you Bill have found and sent offline! >>>>>> >>>>>> Among the items you sent was a listing of a number of marriage licenses issued in King Co., WA in late August/early September of 1919, and this list includes: >>>>>> >>>>>> Arthur J. Hill and Harriet R. Krugmis (should have been Krugmire!) >>>>>> >>>>>> I have compared the list with the marriage licenses figuring on the official Washington site, and there is one discrepancy: >>>>>> >>>>>> Arthur A. Hill and Ruth A. Kiner >>>>>> >>>>>> were married by the Justice of the Peace at Seattle, WA on Aug. 26, 1919. These names do NOT figure in the list of licenses in King Co., WA, and I strongly suspect this has to be OUR couple. Harriet "Hattie"'s middle name was RUTH, and Kiner may be a "simplification" of Krugmire. Arthur's father's name was Andrew, so he could very well use "A" as a middle initial. >>>>>> >>>>>> What do you Listers think? >>>>>> >>>>>> This shows how fantastic the newspaper articles may sometimes be, and it gives inspiration to search for other items! >>>>>> >>>>>> Maybe there are similar DIVORCE COLUMNS in the newspaper archives? Or how can we find out what happened to Helen Jean Cowie, Arthur's 1st wife? >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks again for your great assistance in this matter! >>>>>> >>>>>> Very sincerely yours, >>>>>> >>>>>> Lars E. Oyane >>>>>> >>>>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >>>>>> >>>>>> On Mar 2, 2015, at 4:50 PM, Bill Henshaw wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi Lars, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Can't remember if I sent any of these last year when you were asking about this person, but I thought you might find these interesting. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The one from 1919 talks about his marriage license with Hattie. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The ones from 1943 show his obit and death announcement. Strangely it shows him being born in Oslo, not Everett. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The others talk about his escapades as a policemen. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Bill >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Sun, Mar 01, 2015 at 04:10 pm, Lars E. Oyane via >>>>>>> <norway@rootsweb.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Dear Annette and other Listers! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I am today coming back to my inquiry from last November regarding Arthur J. Hill and his multiple marriages in Washington state, i.e. I am actually today concentrating on the first two of his marriages: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Arthur Joseph HILL, born at Everett, Snohomish Co., WA Sep. 5, 1893, married 1st time in Tacoma, WA Nov. 8, 1916 to >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ** Helen Jean COWIE, apparently born in Jefferson Co., WA Sep. 19, 1898(?) - the daughter of Charles Andrew Cowie (MN) and Ella Alice King (MI) - married in Seattle, WA Sep. 13, 1896 - Ella remarried in Bellingham, WA Jan. 30, 1908 Louis Ernest Hinkelman, born in OH Feb. 12, 1880, died Seattle, WA June 15, 1935 - he married again in Salt Lake City, UT Jan. 25, 1917 to Nona L. Harrington - Louis must have divorced Ella, and she may be the Helen Hinkleman "widowed" who 1920 lived in Los Angeles, CA! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> In June of 1917 (WW1 draft) Arthur Hill was married, ship captain, resided on 1414 5th Avenue in Seattle, WA >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> They must have divorced shortly thereafter, and Arthur married again about 1920 to >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ** Harriet Ruth aka Hattie KRUGMIRE, born in Winona Co., MN Mar. 25, 1900 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Very strange is: I cannot find any of these three persons in the 1920 census! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> My questions: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> **** Have I found the "right" Helen Jean COWIE? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> **** What became of Helen Jean Cowie Hill? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> **** Date and place of marriage of Arthur J. Hill and Hattie Krugmire? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> **** Where are these people in the 1920 census? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> **** Maybe the 1917 address for Arthur Hill in Seattle, WA can be followed up in later city directories? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I thank you again so very much for any little idea or suggestion you may have to find the answers to these questions! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Very sincerely yours, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Lars E. Oyane

Back in the day, this was a very big country. If you and your wife had a major argument, you could leave her and go elsewhere, tell people your name was something else and marry again without any fuss made. It happened in my family and if he hadn't contacted his family to tell them where he was, his first wife wouldn't ever have found out that she needed to divorce him. As it was, she was married three times. Once to him, once to the second husband, who died, and another time to the third husband. Now, you couldn't get away with that. Leslie Quist ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lars E. Oyane via" <norway@rootsweb.com> To: <norway@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2015 8:54 PM Subject: Re: [NOR] Arthur J. Hill of Seattle,WA (1892-1943) and his multiple marriages > Dear Doris and other Listers, > > Thank you very much, Doris, for your latest comment on "my" Arthur Hill > problem! > > I guess finding the actual divorce record for Arthur and his 1st wife > Helen Jean nee Cowie is NOT the big item in this matter. Much more > important to me would it be to find out what happened to her AFTER she > divorced Arthur? > > I have received a copy of Helen Jean's stepfather Louis Hinkelman's death > certificate from Seattle, WA from June 15, 1935, hoping that might be of > help to trace Helen Jean, but was disappointed. As I already said before, > Louis married a 2nd time in 1917 to this Nona Harrington of Prince Albert, > SK, and he was himself a resident of Great Falls, MT at the time! He sure > got around, didn't he? He divorced Nona as well, and he was cremated. > > So, I guess, if we cannot find Helen Jean nee Cowie, born 1898, we must > try to figure out what became of her mother: > > Ella Alice who in 1920 was "widowed" and living as someone's companion in > Los Angeles, CA under the name of Helen Hinkleman, born in Michigan about > 1881? > > Thanks again for your great efforts trying to help me in this matter! > > Very sincerely yours, > > Lars E. Oyane > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > On Mar 2, 2015, at 9:02 PM, Doris Waggoner via wrote: > >> Lars, >> >> I don't know how far back the newspaper lists go for divorces in WA (or >> in >> Seattle, I should say). Divorces are not listed now, but in 1940 they >> were, as I somehow found a listing in one of the Seattle papers for a >> divorce filed in 1937, and granted in 1940. I don't remember how I did >> that, or if they were listed far enough back to help you. Not sure I'm >> any >> help to you on this one! And I'm too busy with other projects tonight to >> hunt. Other listers might be able to look for them, though. An >> interesting man, Arthur Hill! >> >> Doris >> >> On Mon, Mar 2, 2015 at 2:59 PM, Lars E. Oyane via <norway@rootsweb.com> >> wrote: >> >>> Dear Jerrald, Barbara, Bill and other Listers! >>> >>> Thank you very much for your comments on my Arthur Hill problem! I was >>> particularly delighted to receive the newspaper clippings that you Bill >>> have found and sent offline! >>> >>> Among the items you sent was a listing of a number of marriage licenses >>> issued in King Co., WA in late August/early September of 1919, and this >>> list includes: >>> >>> Arthur J. Hill and Harriet R. Krugmis (should have been Krugmire!) >>> >>> I have compared the list with the marriage licenses figuring on the >>> official Washington site, and there is one discrepancy: >>> >>> Arthur A. Hill and Ruth A. Kiner >>> >>> were married by the Justice of the Peace at Seattle, WA on Aug. 26, >>> 1919. >>> These names do NOT figure in the list of licenses in King Co., WA, and I >>> strongly suspect this has to be OUR couple. Harriet "Hattie"'s middle >>> name >>> was RUTH, and Kiner may be a "simplification" of Krugmire. Arthur's >>> father's name was Andrew, so he could very well use "A" as a middle >>> initial. >>> >>> What do you Listers think? >>> >>> This shows how fantastic the newspaper articles may sometimes be, and it >>> gives inspiration to search for other items! >>> >>> Maybe there are similar DIVORCE COLUMNS in the newspaper archives? Or >>> how >>> can we find out what happened to Helen Jean Cowie, Arthur's 1st wife? >>> >>> Thanks again for your great assistance in this matter! >>> >>> Very sincerely yours, >>> >>> Lars E. Oyane >>> >>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >>> >>> On Mar 2, 2015, at 4:50 PM, Bill Henshaw wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Lars, >>>> >>>> Can't remember if I sent any of these last year when you were asking >>>> about this person, but I thought you might find these interesting. >>>> >>>> The one from 1919 talks about his marriage license with Hattie. >>>> >>>> The ones from 1943 show his obit and death announcement. Strangely it >>>> shows him being born in Oslo, not Everett. >>>> >>>> The others talk about his escapades as a policemen. >>>> >>>> Bill >>>> >>>> On Sun, Mar 01, 2015 at 04:10 pm, Lars E. Oyane via >>>> <norway@rootsweb.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Dear Annette and other Listers! >>>>> >>>>> I am today coming back to my inquiry from last November regarding >>>>> Arthur J. Hill and his multiple marriages in Washington state, i.e. I >>>>> am actually today concentrating on the first two of his marriages: >>>>> >>>>> Arthur Joseph HILL, born at Everett, Snohomish Co., WA Sep. 5, 1893, >>>>> married 1st time in Tacoma, WA Nov. 8, 1916 to >>>>> >>>>> ** Helen Jean COWIE, apparently born in Jefferson Co., WA Sep. 19, >>>>> 1898(?) - the daughter of Charles Andrew Cowie (MN) and Ella Alice >>>>> King (MI) - married in Seattle, WA Sep. 13, 1896 - Ella remarried in >>>>> Bellingham, WA Jan. 30, 1908 Louis Ernest Hinkelman, born in OH Feb. >>>>> 12, 1880, died Seattle, WA June 15, 1935 - he married again in Salt >>>>> Lake City, UT Jan. 25, 1917 to Nona L. Harrington - Louis must have >>>>> divorced Ella, and she may be the Helen Hinkleman "widowed" who 1920 >>>>> lived in Los Angeles, CA! >>>>> >>>>> In June of 1917 (WW1 draft) Arthur Hill was married, ship captain, >>>>> resided on 1414 5th Avenue in Seattle, WA >>>>> >>>>> They must have divorced shortly thereafter, and Arthur married again >>>>> about 1920 to >>>>> >>>>> ** Harriet Ruth aka Hattie KRUGMIRE, born in Winona Co., MN Mar. 25, >>>>> 1900 >>>>> >>>>> Very strange is: I cannot find any of these three persons in the 1920 >>>>> census! >>>>> >>>>> My questions: >>>>> >>>>> **** Have I found the "right" Helen Jean COWIE? >>>>> >>>>> **** What became of Helen Jean Cowie Hill? >>>>> >>>>> **** Date and place of marriage of Arthur J. Hill and Hattie Krugmire? >>>>> >>>>> **** Where are these people in the 1920 census? >>>>> >>>>> **** Maybe the 1917 address for Arthur Hill in Seattle, WA can be >>>>> followed up in later city directories? >>>>> >>>>> In thank you again so very much for any little idea or suggestion you >>>>> may have to find the answers to these questions! >>>>> >>>>> Very sincerely yours, >>>>> >>>>> Lars E. Oyane > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NORWAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

Dear Listers, Following up on my own suggestion I have found the death record for Helen Jean nee Cowie's mother: Name: Helen Alice Hinkleman Event Type: Death Event Date: 07 Oct 1952 Event Place: San Francisco, California, United States Birth Date: 21 May 1878 Birthplace: Unknown Gender: Female Father's Name: King However, getting original death records from San Francisco, CA is expensive and takes a long time... Maybe an obituary can be found...? Thanks again for your great assistance in this matter! Very sincerely yours, Lars E. Oyane ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ On Mar 3, 2015, at 11:54 PM, Lars E. Oyane via wrote: > Dear Doris and other Listers, > > Thank you very much, Doris, for your latest comment on "my" Arthur Hill problem! > > I guess finding the actual divorce record for Arthur and his 1st wife Helen Jean nee Cowie is NOT the big item in this matter. Much more important to me would it be to find out what happened to her AFTER she divorced Arthur? > > I have received a copy of Helen Jean's stepfather Louis Hinkelman's death certificate from Seattle, WA from June 15, 1935, hoping that might be of help to trace Helen Jean, but was disappointed. As I already said before, Louis married a 2nd time in 1917 to this Nona Harrington of Prince Albert, SK, and he was himself a resident of Great Falls, MT at the time! He sure got around, didn't he? He divorced Nona as well, and he was cremated. > > So, I guess, if we cannot find Helen Jean nee Cowie, born 1898, we must try to figure out what became of her mother: > > Ella Alice who in 1920 was "widowed" and living as someone's companion in Los Angeles, CA under the name of Helen Hinkleman, born in Michigan about 1881? > > Thanks again for your great efforts trying to help me in this matter! > > Very sincerely yours, > > Lars E. Oyane > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > On Mar 2, 2015, at 9:02 PM, Doris Waggoner via wrote: > >> Lars, >> >> I don't know how far back the newspaper lists go for divorces in WA (or in >> Seattle, I should say). Divorces are not listed now, but in 1940 they >> were, as I somehow found a listing in one of the Seattle papers for a >> divorce filed in 1937, and granted in 1940. I don't remember how I did >> that, or if they were listed far enough back to help you. Not sure I'm any >> help to you on this one! And I'm too busy with other projects tonight to >> hunt. Other listers might be able to look for them, though. An >> interesting man, Arthur Hill! >> >> Doris >> >> On Mon, Mar 2, 2015 at 2:59 PM, Lars E. Oyane via <norway@rootsweb.com> >> wrote: >> >>> Dear Jerrald, Barbara, Bill and other Listers! >>> >>> Thank you very much for your comments on my Arthur Hill problem! I was >>> particularly delighted to receive the newspaper clippings that you Bill >>> have found and sent offline! >>> >>> Among the items you sent was a listing of a number of marriage licenses >>> issued in King Co., WA in late August/early September of 1919, and this >>> list includes: >>> >>> Arthur J. Hill and Harriet R. Krugmis (should have been Krugmire!) >>> >>> I have compared the list with the marriage licenses figuring on the >>> official Washington site, and there is one discrepancy: >>> >>> Arthur A. Hill and Ruth A. Kiner >>> >>> were married by the Justice of the Peace at Seattle, WA on Aug. 26, 1919. >>> These names do NOT figure in the list of licenses in King Co., WA, and I >>> strongly suspect this has to be OUR couple. Harriet "Hattie"'s middle name >>> was RUTH, and Kiner may be a "simplification" of Krugmire. Arthur's >>> father's name was Andrew, so he could very well use "A" as a middle initial. >>> >>> What do you Listers think? >>> >>> This shows how fantastic the newspaper articles may sometimes be, and it >>> gives inspiration to search for other items! >>> >>> Maybe there are similar DIVORCE COLUMNS in the newspaper archives? Or how >>> can we find out what happened to Helen Jean Cowie, Arthur's 1st wife? >>> >>> Thanks again for your great assistance in this matter! >>> >>> Very sincerely yours, >>> >>> Lars E. Oyane >>> >>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >>> >>> On Mar 2, 2015, at 4:50 PM, Bill Henshaw wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Lars, >>>> >>>> Can't remember if I sent any of these last year when you were asking about this person, but I thought you might find these interesting. >>>> >>>> The one from 1919 talks about his marriage license with Hattie. >>>> >>>> The ones from 1943 show his obit and death announcement. Strangely it shows him being born in Oslo, not Everett. >>>> >>>> The others talk about his escapades as a policemen. >>>> >>>> Bill >>>> >>>> On Sun, Mar 01, 2015 at 04:10 pm, Lars E. Oyane via <norway@rootsweb.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Dear Annette and other Listers! >>>>> >>>>> I am today coming back to my inquiry from last November regarding Arthur J. Hill and his multiple marriages in Washington state, i.e. I am actually today concentrating on the first two of his marriages: >>>>> >>>>> Arthur Joseph HILL, born at Everett, Snohomish Co., WA Sep. 5, 1893, married 1st time in Tacoma, WA Nov. 8, 1916 to >>>>> >>>>> ** Helen Jean COWIE, apparently born in Jefferson Co., WA Sep. 19, 1898(?) - the daughter of Charles Andrew Cowie (MN) and Ella Alice King (MI) - married in Seattle, WA Sep. 13, 1896 - Ella remarried in Bellingham, WA Jan. 30, 1908 Louis Ernest Hinkelman, born in OH Feb. 12, 1880, died Seattle, WA June 15, 1935 - he married again in Salt Lake City, UT Jan. 25, 1917 to Nona L. Harrington - Louis must have divorced Ella, and she may be the Helen Hinkleman "widowed" who 1920 lived in Los Angeles, CA! >>>>> >>>>> In June of 1917 (WW1 draft) Arthur Hill was married, ship captain, resided on 1414 5th Avenue in Seattle, WA >>>>> >>>>> They must have divorced shortly thereafter, and Arthur married again about 1920 to >>>>> >>>>> ** Harriet Ruth aka Hattie KRUGMIRE, born in Winona Co., MN Mar. 25, 1900 >>>>> >>>>> Very strange is: I cannot find any of these three persons in the 1920 census! >>>>> >>>>> My questions: >>>>> >>>>> **** Have I found the "right" Helen Jean COWIE? >>>>> >>>>> **** What became of Helen Jean Cowie Hill? >>>>> >>>>> **** Date and place of marriage of Arthur J. Hill and Hattie Krugmire? >>>>> >>>>> **** Where are these people in the 1920 census? >>>>> >>>>> **** Maybe the 1917 address for Arthur Hill in Seattle, WA can be followed up in later city directories? >>>>> >>>>> In thank you again so very much for any little idea or suggestion you may have to find the answers to these questions! >>>>> >>>>> Very sincerely yours, >>>>> >>>>> Lars E. Oyane

Findagrave.com shows Helen Hinkleman buried in Cypress Lawn Memorial Park, Colma, San Mateo County, California, USA, but it doesn't show her tombstone or have any information on her except her date of death. Maybe you could get information from the cemetery. http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=87837159 Annette On 3/4/15, Annette Bowen <annette.bowen@gmail.com> wrote: > Lars, > I found divorce decrees in the Seattle Sunday Times, Dec. 1, 1912 that > mentioned Helen Alice Hinkelman from Samuel Ernest Hinkelman, > nonsupport. I can send it to you off-list if you want it, but that is > the only information it gives. I didn't find her obit. > > Annette > > On 3/3/15, Lars E. Oyane via <norway@rootsweb.com> wrote: >> Dear Listers, >> >> Following up on my own suggestion I have found the death record for Helen >> Jean nee Cowie's mother: >> >> Name: Helen Alice Hinkleman >> Event Type: Death >> Event Date: 07 Oct 1952 >> Event Place: San Francisco, California, United States >> Birth Date: 21 May 1878 >> Birthplace: Unknown >> Gender: Female >> Father's Name: King >> >> However, getting original death records from San Francisco, CA is >> expensive >> and takes a long time... Maybe an obituary can be found...? >> >> Thanks again for your great assistance in this matter! >> >> Very sincerely yours, >> >> Lars E. Oyane >> >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> >> On Mar 3, 2015, at 11:54 PM, Lars E. Oyane via wrote: >> >>> Dear Doris and other Listers, >>> >>> Thank you very much, Doris, for your latest comment on "my" Arthur Hill >>> problem! >>> >>> I guess finding the actual divorce record for Arthur and his 1st wife >>> Helen Jean nee Cowie is NOT the big item in this matter. Much more >>> important to me would it be to find out what happened to her AFTER she >>> divorced Arthur? >>> >>> I have received a copy of Helen Jean's stepfather Louis Hinkelman's >>> death >>> certificate from Seattle, WA from June 15, 1935, hoping that might be of >>> help to trace Helen Jean, but was disappointed. As I already said >>> before, >>> Louis married a 2nd time in 1917 to this Nona Harrington of Prince >>> Albert, >>> SK, and he was himself a resident of Great Falls, MT at the time! He >>> sure >>> got around, didn't he? He divorced Nona as well, and he was cremated. >>> >>> So, I guess, if we cannot find Helen Jean nee Cowie, born 1898, we must >>> try to figure out what became of her mother: >>> >>> Ella Alice who in 1920 was "widowed" and living as someone's companion >>> in >>> Los Angeles, CA under the name of Helen Hinkleman, born in Michigan >>> about >>> 1881? >>> >>> Thanks again for your great efforts trying to help me in this matter! >>> >>> Very sincerely yours, >>> >>> Lars E. Oyane >>> >>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >>> >>> On Mar 2, 2015, at 9:02 PM, Doris Waggoner via wrote: >>> >>>> Lars, >>>> >>>> I don't know how far back the newspaper lists go for divorces in WA (or >>>> in >>>> Seattle, I should say). Divorces are not listed now, but in 1940 they >>>> were, as I somehow found a listing in one of the Seattle papers for a >>>> divorce filed in 1937, and granted in 1940. I don't remember how I did >>>> that, or if they were listed far enough back to help you. Not sure I'm >>>> any >>>> help to you on this one! And I'm too busy with other projects tonight >>>> to >>>> hunt. Other listers might be able to look for them, though. An >>>> interesting man, Arthur Hill! >>>> >>>> Doris >>>> >>>> On Mon, Mar 2, 2015 at 2:59 PM, Lars E. Oyane via <norway@rootsweb.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Dear Jerrald, Barbara, Bill and other Listers! >>>>> >>>>> Thank you very much for your comments on my Arthur Hill problem! I >>>>> was >>>>> particularly delighted to receive the newspaper clippings that you >>>>> Bill >>>>> have found and sent offline! >>>>> >>>>> Among the items you sent was a listing of a number of marriage >>>>> licenses >>>>> issued in King Co., WA in late August/early September of 1919, and >>>>> this >>>>> list includes: >>>>> >>>>> Arthur J. Hill and Harriet R. Krugmis (should have been Krugmire!) >>>>> >>>>> I have compared the list with the marriage licenses figuring on the >>>>> official Washington site, and there is one discrepancy: >>>>> >>>>> Arthur A. Hill and Ruth A. Kiner >>>>> >>>>> were married by the Justice of the Peace at Seattle, WA on Aug. 26, >>>>> 1919. >>>>> These names do NOT figure in the list of licenses in King Co., WA, and >>>>> I >>>>> strongly suspect this has to be OUR couple. Harriet "Hattie"'s middle >>>>> name >>>>> was RUTH, and Kiner may be a "simplification" of Krugmire. Arthur's >>>>> father's name was Andrew, so he could very well use "A" as a middle >>>>> initial. >>>>> >>>>> What do you Listers think? >>>>> >>>>> This shows how fantastic the newspaper articles may sometimes be, and >>>>> it >>>>> gives inspiration to search for other items! >>>>> >>>>> Maybe there are similar DIVORCE COLUMNS in the newspaper archives? Or >>>>> how >>>>> can we find out what happened to Helen Jean Cowie, Arthur's 1st wife? >>>>> >>>>> Thanks again for your great assistance in this matter! >>>>> >>>>> Very sincerely yours, >>>>> >>>>> Lars E. Oyane >>>>> >>>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >>>>> >>>>> On Mar 2, 2015, at 4:50 PM, Bill Henshaw wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi Lars, >>>>>> >>>>>> Can't remember if I sent any of these last year when you were asking >>>>>> about this person, but I thought you might find these interesting. >>>>>> >>>>>> The one from 1919 talks about his marriage license with Hattie. >>>>>> >>>>>> The ones from 1943 show his obit and death announcement. Strangely >>>>>> it >>>>>> shows him being born in Oslo, not Everett. >>>>>> >>>>>> The others talk about his escapades as a policemen. >>>>>> >>>>>> Bill >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sun, Mar 01, 2015 at 04:10 pm, Lars E. Oyane via >>>>>> <norway@rootsweb.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Dear Annette and other Listers! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I am today coming back to my inquiry from last November regarding >>>>>>> Arthur J. Hill and his multiple marriages in Washington state, i.e. >>>>>>> I >>>>>>> am actually today concentrating on the first two of his marriages: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Arthur Joseph HILL, born at Everett, Snohomish Co., WA Sep. 5, 1893, >>>>>>> married 1st time in Tacoma, WA Nov. 8, 1916 to >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ** Helen Jean COWIE, apparently born in Jefferson Co., WA Sep. 19, >>>>>>> 1898(?) - the daughter of Charles Andrew Cowie (MN) and Ella Alice >>>>>>> King (MI) - married in Seattle, WA Sep. 13, 1896 - Ella remarried in >>>>>>> Bellingham, WA Jan. 30, 1908 Louis Ernest Hinkelman, born in OH Feb. >>>>>>> 12, 1880, died Seattle, WA June 15, 1935 - he married again in Salt >>>>>>> Lake City, UT Jan. 25, 1917 to Nona L. Harrington - Louis must >>>>>>> have >>>>>>> divorced Ella, and she may be the Helen Hinkleman "widowed" who 1920 >>>>>>> lived in Los Angeles, CA! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> In June of 1917 (WW1 draft) Arthur Hill was married, ship captain, >>>>>>> resided on 1414 5th Avenue in Seattle, WA >>>>>>> >>>>>>> They must have divorced shortly thereafter, and Arthur married again >>>>>>> about 1920 to >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ** Harriet Ruth aka Hattie KRUGMIRE, born in Winona Co., MN Mar. 25, >>>>>>> 1900 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Very strange is: I cannot find any of these three persons in the >>>>>>> 1920 >>>>>>> census! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> My questions: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> **** Have I found the "right" Helen Jean COWIE? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> **** What became of Helen Jean Cowie Hill? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> **** Date and place of marriage of Arthur J. Hill and Hattie >>>>>>> Krugmire? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> **** Where are these people in the 1920 census? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> **** Maybe the 1917 address for Arthur Hill in Seattle, WA can be >>>>>>> followed up in later city directories? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> In thank you again so very much for any little idea or suggestion >>>>>>> you >>>>>>> may have to find the answers to these questions! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Very sincerely yours, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Lars E. Oyane >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> NORWAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message >> >

Lars, I found divorce decrees in the Seattle Sunday Times, Dec. 1, 1912 that mentioned Helen Alice Hinkelman from Samuel Ernest Hinkelman, nonsupport. I can send it to you off-list if you want it, but that is the only information it gives. I didn't find her obit. Annette On 3/3/15, Lars E. Oyane via <norway@rootsweb.com> wrote: > Dear Listers, > > Following up on my own suggestion I have found the death record for Helen > Jean nee Cowie's mother: > > Name: Helen Alice Hinkleman > Event Type: Death > Event Date: 07 Oct 1952 > Event Place: San Francisco, California, United States > Birth Date: 21 May 1878 > Birthplace: Unknown > Gender: Female > Father's Name: King > > However, getting original death records from San Francisco, CA is expensive > and takes a long time... Maybe an obituary can be found...? > > Thanks again for your great assistance in this matter! > > Very sincerely yours, > > Lars E. Oyane > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > On Mar 3, 2015, at 11:54 PM, Lars E. Oyane via wrote: > >> Dear Doris and other Listers, >> >> Thank you very much, Doris, for your latest comment on "my" Arthur Hill >> problem! >> >> I guess finding the actual divorce record for Arthur and his 1st wife >> Helen Jean nee Cowie is NOT the big item in this matter. Much more >> important to me would it be to find out what happened to her AFTER she >> divorced Arthur? >> >> I have received a copy of Helen Jean's stepfather Louis Hinkelman's death >> certificate from Seattle, WA from June 15, 1935, hoping that might be of >> help to trace Helen Jean, but was disappointed. As I already said before, >> Louis married a 2nd time in 1917 to this Nona Harrington of Prince Albert, >> SK, and he was himself a resident of Great Falls, MT at the time! He sure >> got around, didn't he? He divorced Nona as well, and he was cremated. >> >> So, I guess, if we cannot find Helen Jean nee Cowie, born 1898, we must >> try to figure out what became of her mother: >> >> Ella Alice who in 1920 was "widowed" and living as someone's companion in >> Los Angeles, CA under the name of Helen Hinkleman, born in Michigan about >> 1881? >> >> Thanks again for your great efforts trying to help me in this matter! >> >> Very sincerely yours, >> >> Lars E. Oyane >> >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> >> On Mar 2, 2015, at 9:02 PM, Doris Waggoner via wrote: >> >>> Lars, >>> >>> I don't know how far back the newspaper lists go for divorces in WA (or >>> in >>> Seattle, I should say). Divorces are not listed now, but in 1940 they >>> were, as I somehow found a listing in one of the Seattle papers for a >>> divorce filed in 1937, and granted in 1940. I don't remember how I did >>> that, or if they were listed far enough back to help you. Not sure I'm >>> any >>> help to you on this one! And I'm too busy with other projects tonight >>> to >>> hunt. Other listers might be able to look for them, though. An >>> interesting man, Arthur Hill! >>> >>> Doris >>> >>> On Mon, Mar 2, 2015 at 2:59 PM, Lars E. Oyane via <norway@rootsweb.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Dear Jerrald, Barbara, Bill and other Listers! >>>> >>>> Thank you very much for your comments on my Arthur Hill problem! I was >>>> particularly delighted to receive the newspaper clippings that you Bill >>>> have found and sent offline! >>>> >>>> Among the items you sent was a listing of a number of marriage licenses >>>> issued in King Co., WA in late August/early September of 1919, and this >>>> list includes: >>>> >>>> Arthur J. Hill and Harriet R. Krugmis (should have been Krugmire!) >>>> >>>> I have compared the list with the marriage licenses figuring on the >>>> official Washington site, and there is one discrepancy: >>>> >>>> Arthur A. Hill and Ruth A. Kiner >>>> >>>> were married by the Justice of the Peace at Seattle, WA on Aug. 26, >>>> 1919. >>>> These names do NOT figure in the list of licenses in King Co., WA, and >>>> I >>>> strongly suspect this has to be OUR couple. Harriet "Hattie"'s middle >>>> name >>>> was RUTH, and Kiner may be a "simplification" of Krugmire. Arthur's >>>> father's name was Andrew, so he could very well use "A" as a middle >>>> initial. >>>> >>>> What do you Listers think? >>>> >>>> This shows how fantastic the newspaper articles may sometimes be, and >>>> it >>>> gives inspiration to search for other items! >>>> >>>> Maybe there are similar DIVORCE COLUMNS in the newspaper archives? Or >>>> how >>>> can we find out what happened to Helen Jean Cowie, Arthur's 1st wife? >>>> >>>> Thanks again for your great assistance in this matter! >>>> >>>> Very sincerely yours, >>>> >>>> Lars E. Oyane >>>> >>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >>>> >>>> On Mar 2, 2015, at 4:50 PM, Bill Henshaw wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi Lars, >>>>> >>>>> Can't remember if I sent any of these last year when you were asking >>>>> about this person, but I thought you might find these interesting. >>>>> >>>>> The one from 1919 talks about his marriage license with Hattie. >>>>> >>>>> The ones from 1943 show his obit and death announcement. Strangely it >>>>> shows him being born in Oslo, not Everett. >>>>> >>>>> The others talk about his escapades as a policemen. >>>>> >>>>> Bill >>>>> >>>>> On Sun, Mar 01, 2015 at 04:10 pm, Lars E. Oyane via >>>>> <norway@rootsweb.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Dear Annette and other Listers! >>>>>> >>>>>> I am today coming back to my inquiry from last November regarding >>>>>> Arthur J. Hill and his multiple marriages in Washington state, i.e. I >>>>>> am actually today concentrating on the first two of his marriages: >>>>>> >>>>>> Arthur Joseph HILL, born at Everett, Snohomish Co., WA Sep. 5, 1893, >>>>>> married 1st time in Tacoma, WA Nov. 8, 1916 to >>>>>> >>>>>> ** Helen Jean COWIE, apparently born in Jefferson Co., WA Sep. 19, >>>>>> 1898(?) - the daughter of Charles Andrew Cowie (MN) and Ella Alice >>>>>> King (MI) - married in Seattle, WA Sep. 13, 1896 - Ella remarried in >>>>>> Bellingham, WA Jan. 30, 1908 Louis Ernest Hinkelman, born in OH Feb. >>>>>> 12, 1880, died Seattle, WA June 15, 1935 - he married again in Salt >>>>>> Lake City, UT Jan. 25, 1917 to Nona L. Harrington - Louis must have >>>>>> divorced Ella, and she may be the Helen Hinkleman "widowed" who 1920 >>>>>> lived in Los Angeles, CA! >>>>>> >>>>>> In June of 1917 (WW1 draft) Arthur Hill was married, ship captain, >>>>>> resided on 1414 5th Avenue in Seattle, WA >>>>>> >>>>>> They must have divorced shortly thereafter, and Arthur married again >>>>>> about 1920 to >>>>>> >>>>>> ** Harriet Ruth aka Hattie KRUGMIRE, born in Winona Co., MN Mar. 25, >>>>>> 1900 >>>>>> >>>>>> Very strange is: I cannot find any of these three persons in the 1920 >>>>>> census! >>>>>> >>>>>> My questions: >>>>>> >>>>>> **** Have I found the "right" Helen Jean COWIE? >>>>>> >>>>>> **** What became of Helen Jean Cowie Hill? >>>>>> >>>>>> **** Date and place of marriage of Arthur J. Hill and Hattie >>>>>> Krugmire? >>>>>> >>>>>> **** Where are these people in the 1920 census? >>>>>> >>>>>> **** Maybe the 1917 address for Arthur Hill in Seattle, WA can be >>>>>> followed up in later city directories? >>>>>> >>>>>> In thank you again so very much for any little idea or suggestion you >>>>>> may have to find the answers to these questions! >>>>>> >>>>>> Very sincerely yours, >>>>>> >>>>>> Lars E. Oyane > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NORWAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

Dear Doris and other Listers, Thank you very much, Doris, for your latest comment on "my" Arthur Hill problem! I guess finding the actual divorce record for Arthur and his 1st wife Helen Jean nee Cowie is NOT the big item in this matter. Much more important to me would it be to find out what happened to her AFTER she divorced Arthur? I have received a copy of Helen Jean's stepfather Louis Hinkelman's death certificate from Seattle, WA from June 15, 1935, hoping that might be of help to trace Helen Jean, but was disappointed. As I already said before, Louis married a 2nd time in 1917 to this Nona Harrington of Prince Albert, SK, and he was himself a resident of Great Falls, MT at the time! He sure got around, didn't he? He divorced Nona as well, and he was cremated. So, I guess, if we cannot find Helen Jean nee Cowie, born 1898, we must try to figure out what became of her mother: Ella Alice who in 1920 was "widowed" and living as someone's companion in Los Angeles, CA under the name of Helen Hinkleman, born in Michigan about 1881? Thanks again for your great efforts trying to help me in this matter! Very sincerely yours, Lars E. Oyane ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ On Mar 2, 2015, at 9:02 PM, Doris Waggoner via wrote: > Lars, > > I don't know how far back the newspaper lists go for divorces in WA (or in > Seattle, I should say). Divorces are not listed now, but in 1940 they > were, as I somehow found a listing in one of the Seattle papers for a > divorce filed in 1937, and granted in 1940. I don't remember how I did > that, or if they were listed far enough back to help you. Not sure I'm any > help to you on this one! And I'm too busy with other projects tonight to > hunt. Other listers might be able to look for them, though. An > interesting man, Arthur Hill! > > Doris > > On Mon, Mar 2, 2015 at 2:59 PM, Lars E. Oyane via <norway@rootsweb.com> > wrote: > >> Dear Jerrald, Barbara, Bill and other Listers! >> >> Thank you very much for your comments on my Arthur Hill problem! I was >> particularly delighted to receive the newspaper clippings that you Bill >> have found and sent offline! >> >> Among the items you sent was a listing of a number of marriage licenses >> issued in King Co., WA in late August/early September of 1919, and this >> list includes: >> >> Arthur J. Hill and Harriet R. Krugmis (should have been Krugmire!) >> >> I have compared the list with the marriage licenses figuring on the >> official Washington site, and there is one discrepancy: >> >> Arthur A. Hill and Ruth A. Kiner >> >> were married by the Justice of the Peace at Seattle, WA on Aug. 26, 1919. >> These names do NOT figure in the list of licenses in King Co., WA, and I >> strongly suspect this has to be OUR couple. Harriet "Hattie"'s middle name >> was RUTH, and Kiner may be a "simplification" of Krugmire. Arthur's >> father's name was Andrew, so he could very well use "A" as a middle initial. >> >> What do you Listers think? >> >> This shows how fantastic the newspaper articles may sometimes be, and it >> gives inspiration to search for other items! >> >> Maybe there are similar DIVORCE COLUMNS in the newspaper archives? Or how >> can we find out what happened to Helen Jean Cowie, Arthur's 1st wife? >> >> Thanks again for your great assistance in this matter! >> >> Very sincerely yours, >> >> Lars E. Oyane >> >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> >> On Mar 2, 2015, at 4:50 PM, Bill Henshaw wrote: >> >>> Hi Lars, >>> >>> Can't remember if I sent any of these last year when you were asking about this person, but I thought you might find these interesting. >>> >>> The one from 1919 talks about his marriage license with Hattie. >>> >>> The ones from 1943 show his obit and death announcement. Strangely it shows him being born in Oslo, not Everett. >>> >>> The others talk about his escapades as a policemen. >>> >>> Bill >>> >>> On Sun, Mar 01, 2015 at 04:10 pm, Lars E. Oyane via <norway@rootsweb.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Dear Annette and other Listers! >>>> >>>> I am today coming back to my inquiry from last November regarding Arthur J. Hill and his multiple marriages in Washington state, i.e. I am actually today concentrating on the first two of his marriages: >>>> >>>> Arthur Joseph HILL, born at Everett, Snohomish Co., WA Sep. 5, 1893, married 1st time in Tacoma, WA Nov. 8, 1916 to >>>> >>>> ** Helen Jean COWIE, apparently born in Jefferson Co., WA Sep. 19, 1898(?) - the daughter of Charles Andrew Cowie (MN) and Ella Alice King (MI) - married in Seattle, WA Sep. 13, 1896 - Ella remarried in Bellingham, WA Jan. 30, 1908 Louis Ernest Hinkelman, born in OH Feb. 12, 1880, died Seattle, WA June 15, 1935 - he married again in Salt Lake City, UT Jan. 25, 1917 to Nona L. Harrington - Louis must have divorced Ella, and she may be the Helen Hinkleman "widowed" who 1920 lived in Los Angeles, CA! >>>> >>>> In June of 1917 (WW1 draft) Arthur Hill was married, ship captain, resided on 1414 5th Avenue in Seattle, WA >>>> >>>> They must have divorced shortly thereafter, and Arthur married again about 1920 to >>>> >>>> ** Harriet Ruth aka Hattie KRUGMIRE, born in Winona Co., MN Mar. 25, 1900 >>>> >>>> Very strange is: I cannot find any of these three persons in the 1920 census! >>>> >>>> My questions: >>>> >>>> **** Have I found the "right" Helen Jean COWIE? >>>> >>>> **** What became of Helen Jean Cowie Hill? >>>> >>>> **** Date and place of marriage of Arthur J. Hill and Hattie Krugmire? >>>> >>>> **** Where are these people in the 1920 census? >>>> >>>> **** Maybe the 1917 address for Arthur Hill in Seattle, WA can be followed up in later city directories? >>>> >>>> In thank you again so very much for any little idea or suggestion you may have to find the answers to these questions! >>>> >>>> Very sincerely yours, >>>> >>>> Lars E. Oyane

Dear Barbara and other Listers! Thank you very much, Barbara, for your offer, but I am afraid the Hernaes family has no connection to Luster County or the Urnes family I am looking for. Just a similar name... So what happened to "my" Ole Erickson (Urnes) remains an enigma... Very sincerely yours, Lars E. Oyane ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ On Mar 2, 2015, at 8:44 PM, Barbara Young via wrote: > Dear Lars, > > Grasping at straws but there was Hernæs family that married into my > family and some of the children emigrated. If you need soem information > about them, I can give you some - not much. though. > > Sincerely > Barbara in MA > > On 3/2/2015 6:17 PM, Lars E. Oyane via wrote: >> Dear Greg, Cliff and other Listers! >> >> Thank you very much for your latest comments on Ole Erickson Urnes! His destiny remains a big "mystery", and I really don't know where else to turn... >> >> Could he somehow have lied about his name or birth? My grandmother's only brother enlisted as a soldier in WW1, but when he was drafted to leave for the war, he had "disappeared". "No such person"! The family knew nothing about him until he showed up 30 years later...! >> >> Very sincerely yours, >> >> Lars E. Oyane >> >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> >> On Mar 2, 2015, at 9:00 AM, Cliff Lien via wrote: >> >>> But we cannot find an Ole Erickson, Eriksen etc. or Urnes/Urness/Arness or >>> Lindestegen variations born 13 May 1897. >>> He left Bergen 11 Jun 1914 and Ellis Island record (Ole E Urnes) says he is >>> going to his Brother Jens Ericksen >>> And Jens is in ????burg Minnesota ? >>> >>> Jens Urness was in Fargo, ND when he joined up in June 1917. >>> >>> Tricky one... >>> >>> Cliff Lien >>> Alberta, Canada >>> cjl@interbaun.com >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Gregory Holter via >>> Sent: Sunday, March 01, 2015 10:02 AM >>> To: Lars E. Oyane ; norway@rootsweb.com >>> Subject: Re: [NOR] Ole Erickson (Urnes), born Norway 1897 - killed in WW1 - >>> date and place? >>> >>> A number of soldiers died from the influenza epidemic in 1918, both in >>> Europe and in America. Perhaps Ole Erickson/Urnes was one of those? >>> >>> Greg Holter

Bev, I am not sure but I think SP means "sogneprest" and RKAP means "residerende kapellan" Lisbeth ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bev Anderson via" <norway@rootsweb.com> To: <norway@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2015 9:21 PM Subject: Re: [NOR] norwegian priests > Hi Lisbeth - > > I know your reply was for someone else, but under the "SALTEN (Bodø) > kannikgjeld" heading I found two men who fit in my maternal aunt's > husband's genealogy. > > Do you, or or does anyone else, know what the SP or RKAP initials stand > for? > > Mange Tusen Takk, > Bev > > > > ________________________________ > From: Lisbeth Dyrnes via <norway@rootsweb.com> > To: Christina Wilson <fmlyhntr@yahoo.com>; norway@rootsweb.com > Sent: Tuesday, March 3, 2015 1:46 PM > Subject: Re: [NOR] norwegian priests > > > Maybe you can find something here? > > http://www.genealogi.no/content/register-over-prester-i-salten-prosti > > Lisbeth > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Christina Wilson via" <norway@rootsweb.com> > To: <norway@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2015 7:37 PM > Subject: Re: [NOR] norwegian priests > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NORWAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

Maybe you can find something here? http://www.genealogi.no/content/register-over-prester-i-salten-prosti Lisbeth ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christina Wilson via" <norway@rootsweb.com> To: <norway@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2015 7:37 PM Subject: Re: [NOR] norwegian priests > There are several I'm looking for. Morten Hansen (or Vicensen) Helm who > died in Romsdal but was also a parish priest in Hammarøy. His son Vicens > Mortensen Helm (Holm) was parish priest in Skjersted. And Morten's brother > in law, Otte Jacobsen Friis who was a priest in Romsdal (?). > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NORWAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Lisbeth - I know your reply was for someone else, but under the "SALTEN (Bodø) kannikgjeld" heading I found two men who fit in my maternal aunt's husband's genealogy. Do you, or or does anyone else, know what the SP or RKAP initials stand for? Mange Tusen Takk, Bev ________________________________ From: Lisbeth Dyrnes via <norway@rootsweb.com> To: Christina Wilson <fmlyhntr@yahoo.com>; norway@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, March 3, 2015 1:46 PM Subject: Re: [NOR] norwegian priests Maybe you can find something here? http://www.genealogi.no/content/register-over-prester-i-salten-prosti Lisbeth ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christina Wilson via" <norway@rootsweb.com> To: <norway@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2015 7:37 PM Subject: Re: [NOR] norwegian priests

There are several I'm looking for. Morten Hansen (or Vicensen) Helm who died in Romsdal but was also a parish priest in Hammarøy. His son Vicens Mortensen Helm (Holm) was parish priest in Skjersted. And Morten's brother in law, Otte Jacobsen Friis who was a priest  in Romsdal (?).

Dear Listers! I have today received some additional information about Myrtle Neargarder, but does it help? Her mother's full name was DIANE JERSTID - another unusual last name! How do we find out more about Morrise NEARGARDER and Diane JRSTIF who in 1914/1915 shall have resided at Cambridge, Jefferson Co.,WI? I am completely "stuck"! Thanks a million for any suggestions that can bring us forward! Very sincerely yours, Lars E. Oyane ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ On Feb 2, 2015, at 12:08 PM, Lars E. Oyane via wrote: > Dear Wanda and other Listers! > > Thank you very much, Wanda, for your latest comment on this family from Saturday! > > Suspecting a misinterpretation of the record I have this morning called the Rock County Register of Deeds Office atJanesville, WI to have it verified, but the same information came up: > > The bride in the Aug. 28, 1943 wedding is indeed Myrtle Devina Neargarder. She was born in Cambridge, WI, was 28 years old, daughter of Morrise and Diana Neargarder and worked at the Edgerton shoe company! > > So, who was this Myrtle, who is nowhere to be found in any census records?? > > Very sincerely yours, > > Lars E. Oyane > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > On Jan 31, 2015, at 1:40 PM, DON HENDERSON via wrote: > >> I know this isn't answering your marriage questions, but found an ad on Newspapers.com in The Daily Herald, Chicago, Illinois, 6 Apr 1934, pg 6: >> >> WILSON NEARGARDERWell Digging and General Concrete WorkLet me Figure Your JobsReasonable PricesPh. Deerfield 365Deerfield, Ill. >> Wanda >> >> On Saturday, January 31, 2015 7:47 AM, Lars E. Oyane via <norway@rootsweb.com> wrote: >> >> >> Dear Jerrald, Wanda and other Listers! >> >> Thank you very much for your interesting comments on this Myrtle Neargarder problem of mine. >> >> I am not at all sure, but I feel we are searching for a different Myrtle... My information comes from a marriage license transcript, and although the transcriber may have made errors transcribing, I can hardly think Wilson Neargarder can have been a first husband of Phillip Phillips' wife Myrtle!? >> >> I guess there are two actions that can bring us closer to an answer in the current matter: >> >> * Rechecking the actual marriage license at the Rock Co. courthouse at Janesville, WI? >> >> * Finding a newspaper announcement of the Aug. 28, 1943 wedding at Edgerton, WI? >> >> Do we have any listers who live in that neighborhood who can possibly help? >> >> Thanks again for your great assistance in this matter! >> >> Very sincerely yours, >> >> Lars E. Oyane >> >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> >> On Jan 29, 2015, at 8:42 PM, DON HENDERSON via wrote: >> >>> 'Name of Person who w/always know your address' - Myrtle Margaret Neargarder. Could Devina be a maiden name? Where did parent names come from? - Wanda >>> >>> | Name: | Wilson Neargarder | >>> | Event Type: | Draft Registration | >>> | Event Date: | 1942 | >>> | Event Place: | Waukegan, Lake, Illinois, United States | >>> | Gender: | Male | >>> | Birth Date: | 16 Oct 1896 | >>> | Affiliate ARC Identifier: | 623284 | >>> >>> Affiliate Publication Title: World War II Draft Cards (4th Registration) for the State of Illinois , Affiliate Publication Number: M2097 , GS Film Number: 2369915 , Digital Folder Number: 004134839 , Image Number: 00423 >>> >>> On Thursday, January 29, 2015 3:07 PM, Jerrald Lloyd via <norway@rootsweb.com> wrote: >>> >>> Myrtle Neargarder in the U.S. City Directories, 1821-1989 >>> >>> Name: >>> Myrtle Neargarder >>> >>> Gender: >>> Female >>> >>> Residence Year: >>> 1943 >>> >>> Street address: >>> 624 N Jackson >>> >>> Residence Place: >>> Waukegan; North Chicago, Illinois, USA >>> >>> Spouse: >>> Wilson Neargarder >>> >>> Publication Title: >>> Waukegan, Illinois, City Directory, 1943 >>> >>> -------------------------------------------------- >>> From: "Lars E. Oyane via" <norway@rootsweb.com> >>> Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2015 4:30 PM >>> To: <norway@rootsweb.com> >>> Subject: [NOR] Myrtle Devina Neargarder from Cambridge,WI (born 1914/1915) - >>> who was she? >>> >>>> Dear Listers! >>>> >>>> Every once in a while one runs across names that just seem to be "picked >>>> out of a hat" with no known connections. This one of those which I hope >>>> someone is able to help me identify: >>>> >>>> Martin Phillips (1857-1917) emigrated from Hafslo parish, Luster Co., >>>> Norway in 1882, married a girl from Rauland in Telemark and lived in >>>> Porter township, Rock Co., WI. His only son was: >>>> >>>> Phillip Olous Phillips, born in Dane Co., WI Dec. 15, 1899, died at >>>> Edgerton, WI May 22, 1953. He was married at Edgerton, WI Aug. 28, 1943 >>>> to: >>>> >>>> MYRTLE DEVINA NEARGARDER, >>>> >>>> presumably born at Cambridge, Jefferson Co., WI in 1914 or 1915 as the >>>> daughter of Morrise Neargarder and his wife Diana. Phillip and Myrtle >>>> resided at Edgerton, Rock Co., WI, but divorced already in 1946. They had >>>> no children! What later became of Myrtle is a mystery.... >>>> >>>> So now my question to you is the following: >>>> >>>> * Who was this Myrtle? I don't find any trace of her in the 1920, 1930 or >>>> 1940 censuses; neither do I find a reference to her parents! >>>> >>>> Could it be I have the name wrong? Maybe a newspaper item would mention >>>> her or at least the Edgerton, WI wedding from 1943? >>>> >>>> Any suggestions would be more than welcome! >>>> >>>> Very sincerely yours, >>>> >>>> Lars E. 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Save ? ?Print Share? Diana Neargarder in the U.S. Public Records Index, Volume 1 Record Image Index-only record ?Add alternate information !Report issue Name: Diana Neargarder Address: 7271 E Greenville Pike, Union City, IN, 47390-8497 (1989) Save ? Cancel -------------------------------------------------- From: "Lars E. Oyane via" <norway@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2015 4:21 PM To: <norway@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [NOR] Myrtle Devina Neargarder from Cambridge,WI (born 1914/1915) - who was she? > Dear Listers! > > I have today received some additional information about Myrtle Neargarder, > but does it help? > > Her mother's full name was DIANE JERSTID - another unusual last name! > > How do we find out more about Morrise NEARGARDER and Diane JRSTIF who in > 1914/1915 shall have resided at Cambridge, Jefferson Co.,WI? I am > completely "stuck"! > > Thanks a million for any suggestions that can bring us forward! > > Very sincerely yours, > > Lars E. Oyane > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > On Feb 2, 2015, at 12:08 PM, Lars E. Oyane via wrote: > >> Dear Wanda and other Listers! >> >> Thank you very much, Wanda, for your latest comment on this family from >> Saturday! >> >> Suspecting a misinterpretation of the record I have this morning called >> the Rock County Register of Deeds Office atJanesville, WI to have it >> verified, but the same information came up: >> >> The bride in the Aug. 28, 1943 wedding is indeed Myrtle Devina >> Neargarder. She was born in Cambridge, WI, was 28 years old, daughter of >> Morrise and Diana Neargarder and worked at the Edgerton shoe company! >> >> So, who was this Myrtle, who is nowhere to be found in any census >> records?? >> >> Very sincerely yours, >> >> Lars E. Oyane >> >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> >> On Jan 31, 2015, at 1:40 PM, DON HENDERSON via wrote: >> >>> I know this isn't answering your marriage questions, but found an ad on >>> Newspapers.com in The Daily Herald, Chicago, Illinois, 6 Apr 1934, pg 6: >>> >>> WILSON NEARGARDERWell Digging and General Concrete WorkLet me Figure >>> Your JobsReasonable PricesPh. Deerfield 365Deerfield, Ill. >>> Wanda >>> >>> On Saturday, January 31, 2015 7:47 AM, Lars E. Oyane via >>> <norway@rootsweb.com> wrote: >>> >>> >>> Dear Jerrald, Wanda and other Listers! >>> >>> Thank you very much for your interesting comments on this Myrtle >>> Neargarder problem of mine. >>> >>> I am not at all sure, but I feel we are searching for a different >>> Myrtle... My information comes from a marriage license transcript, and >>> although the transcriber may have made errors transcribing, I can hardly >>> think Wilson Neargarder can have been a first husband of Phillip >>> Phillips' wife Myrtle!? >>> >>> I guess there are two actions that can bring us closer to an answer in >>> the current matter: >>> >>> * Rechecking the actual marriage license at the Rock Co. courthouse at >>> Janesville, WI? >>> >>> * Finding a newspaper announcement of the Aug. 28, 1943 wedding at >>> Edgerton, WI? >>> >>> Do we have any listers who live in that neighborhood who can possibly >>> help? >>> >>> Thanks again for your great assistance in this matter! >>> >>> Very sincerely yours, >>> >>> Lars E. Oyane >>> >>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >>> >>> On Jan 29, 2015, at 8:42 PM, DON HENDERSON via wrote: >>> >>>> 'Name of Person who w/always know your address' - Myrtle Margaret >>>> Neargarder. Could Devina be a maiden name? Where did parent names come >>>> from? - Wanda >>>> >>>> | Name: | Wilson Neargarder | >>>> | Event Type: | Draft Registration | >>>> | Event Date: | 1942 | >>>> | Event Place: | Waukegan, Lake, Illinois, United States | >>>> | Gender: | Male | >>>> | Birth Date: | 16 Oct 1896 | >>>> | Affiliate ARC Identifier: | 623284 | >>>> >>>> Affiliate Publication Title: World War II Draft Cards (4th >>>> Registration) for the State of Illinois , Affiliate Publication >>>> Number: M2097 , GS Film Number: 2369915 , Digital Folder Number: >>>> 004134839 , Image Number: 00423 >>>> >>>> On Thursday, January 29, 2015 3:07 PM, Jerrald Lloyd via >>>> <norway@rootsweb.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> Myrtle Neargarder in the U.S. City Directories, 1821-1989 >>>> >>>> Name: >>>> Myrtle Neargarder >>>> >>>> Gender: >>>> Female >>>> >>>> Residence Year: >>>> 1943 >>>> >>>> Street address: >>>> 624 N Jackson >>>> >>>> Residence Place: >>>> Waukegan; North Chicago, Illinois, USA >>>> >>>> Spouse: >>>> Wilson Neargarder >>>> >>>> Publication Title: >>>> Waukegan, Illinois, City Directory, 1943 >>>> >>>> -------------------------------------------------- >>>> From: "Lars E. Oyane via" <norway@rootsweb.com> >>>> Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2015 4:30 PM >>>> To: <norway@rootsweb.com> >>>> Subject: [NOR] Myrtle Devina Neargarder from Cambridge,WI (born >>>> 1914/1915) - >>>> who was she? >>>> >>>>> Dear Listers! >>>>> >>>>> Every once in a while one runs across names that just seem to be >>>>> "picked >>>>> out of a hat" with no known connections. This one of those which I >>>>> hope >>>>> someone is able to help me identify: >>>>> >>>>> Martin Phillips (1857-1917) emigrated from Hafslo parish, Luster Co., >>>>> Norway in 1882, married a girl from Rauland in Telemark and lived in >>>>> Porter township, Rock Co., WI. His only son was: >>>>> >>>>> Phillip Olous Phillips, born in Dane Co., WI Dec. 15, 1899, died at >>>>> Edgerton, WI May 22, 1953. He was married at Edgerton, WI Aug. 28, >>>>> 1943 >>>>> to: >>>>> >>>>> MYRTLE DEVINA NEARGARDER, >>>>> >>>>> presumably born at Cambridge, Jefferson Co., WI in 1914 or 1915 as the >>>>> daughter of Morrise Neargarder and his wife Diana. Phillip and Myrtle >>>>> resided at Edgerton, Rock Co., WI, but divorced already in 1946. They >>>>> had >>>>> no children! What later became of Myrtle is a mystery.... >>>>> >>>>> So now my question to you is the following: >>>>> >>>>> * Who was this Myrtle? I don't find any trace of her in the 1920, >>>>> 1930 or >>>>> 1940 censuses; neither do I find a reference to her parents! >>>>> >>>>> Could it be I have the name wrong? Maybe a newspaper item would >>>>> mention >>>>> her or at least the Edgerton, WI wedding from 1943? >>>>> >>>>> Any suggestions would be more than welcome! >>>>> >>>>> Very sincerely yours, >>>>> >>>>> Lars E. Oyane >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> NORWAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> NORWAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> NORWAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NORWAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > >

Save ? ?Print Share? Myrtle Neargarder in the U.S. City Directories, 1821-1989 Record Image View ?Add alternate information !Report issue Name: Myrtle Neargarder Gender: Female Residence Year: 1943 Street address: 624 N Jackson Residence Place: Waukegan; North Chicago, Illinois, USA Spouse: Wilson Neargarder Publication Title: Waukegan, Illinois, City Directory, 1943 Save ? Cancel -------------------------------------------------- From: "Lars E. Oyane via" <norway@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2015 4:21 PM To: <norway@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [NOR] Myrtle Devina Neargarder from Cambridge,WI (born 1914/1915) - who was she? > Dear Listers! > > I have today received some additional information about Myrtle Neargarder, > but does it help? > > Her mother's full name was DIANE JERSTID - another unusual last name! > > How do we find out more about Morrise NEARGARDER and Diane JRSTIF who in > 1914/1915 shall have resided at Cambridge, Jefferson Co.,WI? I am > completely "stuck"! > > Thanks a million for any suggestions that can bring us forward! > > Very sincerely yours, > > Lars E. Oyane > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > On Feb 2, 2015, at 12:08 PM, Lars E. Oyane via wrote: > >> Dear Wanda and other Listers! >> >> Thank you very much, Wanda, for your latest comment on this family from >> Saturday! >> >> Suspecting a misinterpretation of the record I have this morning called >> the Rock County Register of Deeds Office atJanesville, WI to have it >> verified, but the same information came up: >> >> The bride in the Aug. 28, 1943 wedding is indeed Myrtle Devina >> Neargarder. She was born in Cambridge, WI, was 28 years old, daughter of >> Morrise and Diana Neargarder and worked at the Edgerton shoe company! >> >> So, who was this Myrtle, who is nowhere to be found in any census >> records?? >> >> Very sincerely yours, >> >> Lars E. Oyane >> >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> >> On Jan 31, 2015, at 1:40 PM, DON HENDERSON via wrote: >> >>> I know this isn't answering your marriage questions, but found an ad on >>> Newspapers.com in The Daily Herald, Chicago, Illinois, 6 Apr 1934, pg 6: >>> >>> WILSON NEARGARDERWell Digging and General Concrete WorkLet me Figure >>> Your JobsReasonable PricesPh. Deerfield 365Deerfield, Ill. >>> Wanda >>> >>> On Saturday, January 31, 2015 7:47 AM, Lars E. Oyane via >>> <norway@rootsweb.com> wrote: >>> >>> >>> Dear Jerrald, Wanda and other Listers! >>> >>> Thank you very much for your interesting comments on this Myrtle >>> Neargarder problem of mine. >>> >>> I am not at all sure, but I feel we are searching for a different >>> Myrtle... My information comes from a marriage license transcript, and >>> although the transcriber may have made errors transcribing, I can hardly >>> think Wilson Neargarder can have been a first husband of Phillip >>> Phillips' wife Myrtle!? >>> >>> I guess there are two actions that can bring us closer to an answer in >>> the current matter: >>> >>> * Rechecking the actual marriage license at the Rock Co. courthouse at >>> Janesville, WI? >>> >>> * Finding a newspaper announcement of the Aug. 28, 1943 wedding at >>> Edgerton, WI? >>> >>> Do we have any listers who live in that neighborhood who can possibly >>> help? >>> >>> Thanks again for your great assistance in this matter! >>> >>> Very sincerely yours, >>> >>> Lars E. Oyane >>> >>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >>> >>> On Jan 29, 2015, at 8:42 PM, DON HENDERSON via wrote: >>> >>>> 'Name of Person who w/always know your address' - Myrtle Margaret >>>> Neargarder. Could Devina be a maiden name? Where did parent names come >>>> from? - Wanda >>>> >>>> | Name: | Wilson Neargarder | >>>> | Event Type: | Draft Registration | >>>> | Event Date: | 1942 | >>>> | Event Place: | Waukegan, Lake, Illinois, United States | >>>> | Gender: | Male | >>>> | Birth Date: | 16 Oct 1896 | >>>> | Affiliate ARC Identifier: | 623284 | >>>> >>>> Affiliate Publication Title: World War II Draft Cards (4th >>>> Registration) for the State of Illinois , Affiliate Publication >>>> Number: M2097 , GS Film Number: 2369915 , Digital Folder Number: >>>> 004134839 , Image Number: 00423 >>>> >>>> On Thursday, January 29, 2015 3:07 PM, Jerrald Lloyd via >>>> <norway@rootsweb.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> Myrtle Neargarder in the U.S. City Directories, 1821-1989 >>>> >>>> Name: >>>> Myrtle Neargarder >>>> >>>> Gender: >>>> Female >>>> >>>> Residence Year: >>>> 1943 >>>> >>>> Street address: >>>> 624 N Jackson >>>> >>>> Residence Place: >>>> Waukegan; North Chicago, Illinois, USA >>>> >>>> Spouse: >>>> Wilson Neargarder >>>> >>>> Publication Title: >>>> Waukegan, Illinois, City Directory, 1943 >>>> >>>> -------------------------------------------------- >>>> From: "Lars E. Oyane via" <norway@rootsweb.com> >>>> Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2015 4:30 PM >>>> To: <norway@rootsweb.com> >>>> Subject: [NOR] Myrtle Devina Neargarder from Cambridge,WI (born >>>> 1914/1915) - >>>> who was she? >>>> >>>>> Dear Listers! >>>>> >>>>> Every once in a while one runs across names that just seem to be >>>>> "picked >>>>> out of a hat" with no known connections. This one of those which I >>>>> hope >>>>> someone is able to help me identify: >>>>> >>>>> Martin Phillips (1857-1917) emigrated from Hafslo parish, Luster Co., >>>>> Norway in 1882, married a girl from Rauland in Telemark and lived in >>>>> Porter township, Rock Co., WI. His only son was: >>>>> >>>>> Phillip Olous Phillips, born in Dane Co., WI Dec. 15, 1899, died at >>>>> Edgerton, WI May 22, 1953. He was married at Edgerton, WI Aug. 28, >>>>> 1943 >>>>> to: >>>>> >>>>> MYRTLE DEVINA NEARGARDER, >>>>> >>>>> presumably born at Cambridge, Jefferson Co., WI in 1914 or 1915 as the >>>>> daughter of Morrise Neargarder and his wife Diana. Phillip and Myrtle >>>>> resided at Edgerton, Rock Co., WI, but divorced already in 1946. They >>>>> had >>>>> no children! What later became of Myrtle is a mystery.... >>>>> >>>>> So now my question to you is the following: >>>>> >>>>> * Who was this Myrtle? I don't find any trace of her in the 1920, >>>>> 1930 or >>>>> 1940 censuses; neither do I find a reference to her parents! >>>>> >>>>> Could it be I have the name wrong? Maybe a newspaper item would >>>>> mention >>>>> her or at least the Edgerton, WI wedding from 1943? >>>>> >>>>> Any suggestions would be more than welcome! >>>>> >>>>> Very sincerely yours, >>>>> >>>>> Lars E. Oyane >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> NORWAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> NORWAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> NORWAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NORWAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > >

Dear Annette, Mark and other Listers! Thank you very much for your latest comments on the Canuteson - Irgens family and for clearing me up as far as Fredrikka Irgens and her death is concerned. Fredrikka's grandmother Sophie Irgens died in Bergen, Norway Mar. 21, 1881 and was survived by a son Christian Irgens who was a sailor and last known in 1882 to have been "stationed" at Galveston, TX, and then one grandson in Norway and the one granddaughter in Illinois! Apart from that, the names listed in these papers are interesting. I think I have identified the Williamson family as descending from Rasmus Williamson and his wife Guro "Julia" Knutsdotter who emigrated from Markhus in Os in Hordaland some time in the late 1850's. They had children William (1849), Christi(ne) (1851), Knut (1853) and Barbara (1855) all born in Os. But why these Williamsons should be guardians for the little Irgens girl, is another enigma! They were definitely not related to Frederick Irgens, and Anna Brewick's father appears to be Haldor "Henry" Brewick, born in Hjelmeland in Rogaland in 1822 and emigrated in 1846. According to "find-a-grave" Henry is buried in the Oak Mound cemetery at Somonauk, DeKalb Co., IL - dying Apr. 12, 1897! Remaining questions are still: * Who are recorded as Fredrikka Irgens' heirs when she died in 1896? * What became of Ole Canutson, Anna's 2nd husband? * I guess another estate that might be of interest, would be Henry Brewick's estate from DeKalb Co., IL 1897? Thanks again for your wonderful assistance in this matter! Very sincerely yours, Lars E. Oyane ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ On Mar 2, 2015, at 10:28 PM, Mark Erickson via wrote: > I didn’t see this go through, so I’ll try again and add a few thoughts. > > Hi Lars, > I think the spellings for her name came from the clerk. It just sounded that way to him. > I’m just going on memory here, but wasn’t it the same clerk clerk that misspelled her name different two times? > > Also, These are guardianship papers, not probate. Fredericka was still alive for these court proceedings. > > Here’s what I see from the info. > > 1) Frederica Irgens was the daughter of Annie J. (Canntison, Caunteson, Canutson, Caunteson, Canuteson?) formerly Anna Irgens. > 2) The Anna mentioned above died 28 December 1883. > 3) Anna was the wife of Frederick Irgens > 4) Frederick Irgens and Anna had a daughter Fredericke(a) Irgens who was the sole heir to Frederick Irgens’ inheritance from his Norwegian family. > 5) Frederick Irgens’ mother was named Sophia Irgens. > > What I don’t see is Ole Canuston. Did he die prior to all of this? Also, why was Fredricka’s mother trying to get guardianship? She was the mother. I don’t understand why a mother would need a court order to obtain guardianship. > > -Mark > > Not sure if you can see the documents. The first guardianship says Fredricka will receive 2,000 dollars. > A lot of money back then. The second document says she will receive 2,500 dollars. > > Anna Irgens started all of the legal proceedings before she married Ole. > The Illinois Supreme Court documents were about what seems to be a debt or policy that her husband > (Frederick Irgens) entered into, and was then altered. > Anna claimed that she was not responsible for a debt that was altered without her knowledge. > She thought all debts were paid, but the other party wanted more money. > In the end the Court agreed with Anna, but it took a long time. >

patience is a virtue............... ;-) On 03-Mar-15 07:17 AM, Barbara Young via wrote: > Dear Lars, > > I am having the same problem. > > Sincerely, > Barbara in MA > > On 3/2/2015 10:27 AM, Lars E. Oyane via wrote: >> Dear Listers! >> >> The last couple of days I have experienced several times that messages which I post on the list don't get back to me as "posted" till more than 12 hours later. And the same has happened to messages intended for me. >> >> If the person sending something for me adding my address in the Cc. field, I receive the Cc - message at once, while the one going thru Rootsweb takes more than 12 hours to reach me! >> >> The same problem seems to occur also on a couple of other Rootsweb list which I follow... >> >> Is anyone else experiencing the same kind of system "disturbances"? >> >> Very sincerely yours, >> >> Lars E. Oyane >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORWAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORWAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I do not experience such a delay, although it has happened sometimes. But some mails are not send to my address. When I look in the archives I sometimes see messages which I have not received. Often I receive the message because someone is answering the message and I have not received the first original message Regards Reina On 3/2/2015 10:27 AM, Lars E. Oyane via wrote: Dear Listers! The last couple of days I have experienced several times that messages which I post on the list don't get back to me as "posted" till more than 12 hours later. And the same has happened to messages intended for me. If the person sending something for me adding my address in the Cc. field, I receive the Cc - message at once, while the one going thru Rootsweb takes more than 12 hours to reach me! The same problem seems to occur also on a couple of other Rootsweb list which I follow... Is anyone else experiencing the same kind of system "disturbances"? Very sincerely yours, Lars E. Oyane

So "they" say  :-Dhttps://www.flickr.com/photos/56293797@N08/16391959751/ From: C&M Pederson via <norway@rootsweb.com> To: Barbara Young <bayofcc@comcast.net>; norway@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, March 2, 2015 7:24 PM Subject: Re: [NOR] Delaying problem with Rootsweb server? patience is a virtue............... ;-) On 03-Mar-15 07:17 AM, Barbara Young via wrote: > Dear Lars, > > I am having the same problem. > > Sincerely, > Barbara in MA > > On 3/2/2015 10:27 AM, Lars E. Oyane via wrote: >> Dear Listers! >> >> The last couple of days I have experienced several times that messages which I post on the list don't get back to me as "posted" till more than 12 hours later.  And the same has happened to messages intended for me.

I know that there are books on priests in specific areas.  Can you tell us what area in Norway you are most interested in? Greg Holter From: Fmlyhntr via <norway@rootsweb.com> To: "norway@rootsweb.com" <norway@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, March 2, 2015 6:53 PM Subject: [NOR] Norwegian priests Is there a book on Norwegian priests like there is for Danish priests? I am looking for priests prior to 1800. Thanks, Christina

That is almost certainly on Highway No 10 between Billings and Laurel. Greg Holter From: Thelma Hartman via <norway@rootsweb.com> To: Lars E. Oyane <lars.e.oyane@sdsl.no>; norway@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, March 1, 2015 8:32 PM Subject: Re: [NOR] Ingebrigt and Augusta Melheim - emigrated 1906toCleveland, OH - lived 1915 and 1928 in Montana - what became of them? Her obituary is not much help, I am afraid The Billings Gazette, Tuesday, May 17, 1966 Evening edition, page 16 Pennington Rites Funeral services for Mrs Hilda A Pennington, 88, 2710 State St. were held Monday afternoon in Dahl-Brown Chapel. The Rev. Gordon V Tollefson, paster of the American Lutheran Church officiated. Burial was in Sunset Memorial Gardens. Pallbearers were Armand Gaudina, Walter Reichenberg, Jerome Anderson, Felix Webb, A. R. Hammer and Rex Foreman. Mrs Pennington died Friday in a state hospital. She leaves a sister in law and several nieces and nephews. Another article related to her 03 February 1933 - Billings Gazette, page 10 Public Farm Sale Tuesday, February 7 12 o'clock noon, 10 miles west of Billings, 3 miles east of Laurel on Highway No 10 Mrs. Hilda Melheim (the number after highway is hard to read so it could be a different number)