Hei Lars, Brand inspectors usually work at cattle auctions ensuring that the brand on the cattle match the owner selling the cattle. My son-in-law has a cow-calf operation in SE Saskatchewan. The problem he and others in that area encounter is that Manitoba doesn't have brand inspectors. So to it's easy enough to steal cattle in Saskatchewan and sell them in Manitoba. On occasion he has had calls from a brand inspector at a local auction wondering why someone else is selling one of his cows. mvh, Jostein ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lars E. Oyane via" <norway@rootsweb.com> To: norway@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, March 16, 2015 3:09:33 AM Subject: Re: [NOR] Civil War vet. & Gold miner Andrew Groves of Baker Co., OR (1847-1935) - a colorful person! - who was his wife? Dear Jostein and other Listers! Thank you very much Jostein for correcting that occupation title. Ancestry.com had it interpreted "state brace inspector", but looking at the original 1920 census for Montrose, CO it certainly does say "state brand inspector". I suppose he was then responsible for inspecting that cattle was identified with the correct brand mark? Now I am hoping for some success finding newspaper items on these people... Thanks again for your great assistance in this matter! Very sincerely yours, Lars E. Oyane ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ On Mar 15, 2015, at 11:29 PM, jaasland via wrote: > Lars, > > Look at the possibility that "state brace inspector" is "state brand inspector." That is indentification brands on cattle. > > Jostein > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lars E. Oyane via" <norway@rootsweb.com> > To: norway@rootsweb.com > Sent: Sunday, March 15, 2015 9:30:13 PM > Subject: [NOR] Civil War vet. & Gold miner Andrew Groves of Baker Co., OR (1847-1935) - a colorful person! - who was his wife? > > Dear Listers, > > Today I wish to share with you the biography of a rather "colorful" person whose wife I am having trouble finding precise information about: > > Andrew A. GROVES, also known as Andrew GROVE, son of 1845 emigrants from Hafslo parish, Luster Co., Norway, Andrew and Martha GROV, was born in Dane Co., WI Apr. 16, 1847. He entered the Civil War and was stationed in Kansas at the end of the War. Exactly when he "went west" is unknown, but he ended up mining for gold in Baker Co., OR. He had a claim in Cleary precinct, Baker Co., OR, but retired about 1915 moving into Baker City, OR. Relatives in Iowa who remembered Andrew, told me years ago that Andrew once had visited back "east", and he was quite a "character" with the mouth full of gold and a fairly "goldy" complexion in every way, wearing a huge thick fur coat full of gold buttons etc. > > At the ripe age of 80, on July 7, 1927, he was married at Vancouver, WA to Mrs. Clara A. RYAN, nee LAND, born in NY, possibly New York City, NY, about February of 1864. She had been married 1st time at Montrose, CO on Dec. 25, 1890 to Charles M. RYAN, born in Dutchess Co., NY about February of 1855 or 1857. He was a salesman and was in 1920 called a "state brace inspector" in live stock (whatever that was for a profession?). Charles and Clara mostly resided at Montrose, Montrose Co., CO where Charles died in 1925. How Clara ended up marrying Andrew Groves two years later is for me an "enigma", and the marriage didn't last very long either. Their final divorce decree was signed in Baker City, OR on Nov. 7, 1929, but in his will written that same year Andrew willed one dollar to "his dear ex-wife Clara"! Andrew remained in Baker City, OR where he died Apr. 24, 1935. Clara apparently moved back to Montrose, CO where he only son Archibald Sedgwick Ryan (1894-1955) still! r! > esided, and she died in 1933. > > Then to my questions: > > * Is it possible to find any information telling us approximately WHEN Andrew Grove(s) settled on his gold mine in Baker Co., OR? Maybe newspaper articles? > > * Then I am looking for specific dates (both birth and death) for Clara Land Ryan (Groves) (1864-1933) as well as for her 1st husband Charles M. Ryan (1857-1925)? Maybe newspaper items can be located from Colorado about them? > > * Finally, can someone please clear me up on that occupation of Charles Ryan's, state brace inspector? > > Thanks a million in advance for any assistance you can give me with this family! Again I am hoping that newspaper articles can help answer at least some of the questions... > > Very sincerely yours, > > Lars E. Oyane > Norwaylist Archiveshttp://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=norway RESUBSCRIBE UNSUB http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/NOR/NORWAY.html guidelines http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~norway/guidelines.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORWAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The daily morning Astorian. (Astoria, Or.) 1883-1899, October 30, 1895, Image 1 Andrew A. Groves was tried and acquitted at Pendleton on Friday on a charge of killing Indian cayuses and feeding them to his hogs. Much has been written about this case, but the evidence did not convince the jury as to Groves’ guilt. Judge Lovell presided. Cayuse is an archaic term used in the American West, usually referring to a feral or low-quality horse or pony. Here’s a link to the article. http://tinyurl.com/krhvvny Here’s another article with him buying and selling land. Malheur enterprise. (Vale, Or.) 1909-current, February 01, 1913, Image 3 http://tinyurl.com/lvbrpdm Mining claims are held by the Bureau of Land Management. He bought 158.50 acres on the 13th of October 1891 in Malheur County, Oregon. Here’s a link to the Land Patent.. http://tinyurl.com/mvtrrqk On the 8th of June 1926 he sold his lots in sections 3 and 4 to SPURLOCK, ALVIN C. Here’s a 1935 plat map that shows where the land is located. At the top of the page you can see that Alvin Spurlock still owns the land. http://tinyurl.com/lwkd4p3

I am not able to understand what your question is.... Lisbeth ----- Original Message ----- From: "Earl Sande via" <norway@rootsweb.com> To: <norway@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, March 16, 2015 7:47 AM Subject: [NOR] Terje Strømsnes foreslår [Flakstad / Sand indre 1865 Census] > The 1865 Census for Flakstad / Gard : Sand indre / Matr. nr. 138b > (http://digitalarkivet.arkivverket.no/en-gb/ft/bosted_land/bf01038378001236#) > that I have shows under # 964 1 Morten Knudsen "Terje Strømsnes foreslår > : Knud Mortensen", 966 3 Anna Mortensdatter "Terje Strømsnes foreslår : > Knudsdatter, and under 968 5 Knud Mortensen "Terje Strømsnes foreslår : > Knudsen" > > I have the .jpg of the page, but unfortunately not the correct site for > the additional notes above. > > Can anyone please explain what's going on in the notes? > > Thanks > > Earl > > Norwaylist > Archiveshttp://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=norway > > RESUBSCRIBE UNSUB > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/NOR/NORWAY.html > > guidelines http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~norway/guidelines.htm > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NORWAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Doris, I don't really know what you are facing but when I want to save soemthing like an email and for some reason it doesn't save, I high light and copy it and paste it in an email and mail it to myself. You can make notes about it right on the same email. It is a computer-illiterate method but it works for me.;} Good luck. Take Care Barbara On 3/15/2015 11:43 PM, Doris Waggoner via wrote: > Cliff, > > I will accept your wisdom, and include the list. Certainly the list has > been very helpful to me in the past! > > I can open the pagelink you provide, but make no sense out of it. It opens > to pg. 238, and I can move it to pg. 244. But I don't find any names that > look like my family. Partly I know it's unfamiliarity with the old > handwriting. What line numbers should I be looking for? This is the list > of the family leaving the church for America? I have seen one of these > before, so I would expect to see names, the date they left, and in the far > right column the word "Amerika," and I don't see that. Did different > regions use different forms for these church books? The one I saw an image > of before was for Vestfold, in 1890. > > The birth year for Kari Marie comes from two different Ancestry trees, both > unsourced, both with the birth year 1849. The marriage date for Hans and > Dorotea is 29 May 1849, meaning Dorotea would have been pregnant with Kari > when they were married, but this didn't disturb me. More to the point, one > tree gave Kari a year of death of 1875, the other 1925, and one said she > was married to Peter Bergland. She could have died in 1875 prior to the > rest of the family emigrating. After you gave me the Find-A-Grave notice > for Dorotea and her son Even (Evind) in Richland Co, ND, I widened the > search to all of ND, looking for Kari, and didn't find her. There are few > enough Fatlands that I should leave off the geographical limit entirely to > find all the children of this family who died in the US. Peter and Amund > show up in the index for ND, though I haven't had time to check them out > yet. > > Back to the issue of Kari Marie. You may well be right that she died prior > to the 1865 census; she may not even have married. Unsourced Ancestry > trees are not always correct. > > My "technical" question that I referred to before is that in the page you > sent me last night, I was able to enlarge it to read the list of the > family, which included Hans in the family that arrived in New York. But > once I enlarged it, I could not save it as a .jpg. It was now shown as a > "large jpg" and that wasn't a file type that could be saved. It said > "invalid image." > > I have a copy of a transcript of what I now realize is a ship's arrival > that I got from Ancestry in 2011. It has the same six names of children on > it that you list, though some of them are garbled. The father's name is > included, and is "Andreas." We know now that he was not on the ship, > having died in Liverpool, but the list would have shown his name, is that > correct? > > So for now my questions are: > > How to read the page you sent me the link for. > > How to save it. I use ODT in Google, and can open a .jpg in Picasa if that > makes any difference. > > How to save the page you sent me last night. > > Would Hans, the father, still have shown up on the list of arrivals in NY, > since he had died in Liverpool? > > Any further clarification would be welcome as well. > > Thanks to any who can help, > Doris > > On Sun, Mar 15, 2015 at 9:22 AM, Cliff Lien <cjl@interbaun.com> wrote: > >> Hi Doris, >> >> I highly recommend when you reply to any answer you might receive that you >> reply to the whole list as well as your "answerer". >> If you ask a further question of just the person that supplied some info, >> you cut the number of people available to answer that question from about >> 1,000 to one single person. The reason Norway-L works so many miracles is >> that many people find clues attacking the problem form all kinds of >> different angles. Therefore and hencely-wise I added Norway-L to my reply >> here :-) >> >> I see only six children with Hans and Marie leaving Fjelberg 9 Mar 1875 >> Hans b. 5 Aug 1855 >> Eivind b. 1 Jan 1860 >> Jonas b. 5 May 1862 >> Ole b. 31 May 1865 >> Ingeborg Serine b. 1 Apr 1867 >> Amund b. 6 Mar 1870 >> >> >> If you look at the out-migrant record of 1875 in Fjelberg below where most >> of the family leaves, then work your way backwards through 1873, you will >> find three more children back to Petter born 13 Dec 1850 emigrating 10 Jun >> 1873. I think Hans is mentioned twice, 9 Aug 1874 and then with the family >> again in 1875. Did he return to Norway to lead the family over? Makes >> sense to me... >> >> I cannot find Kari Mari born 15 Jan 1849, but I do not see her in the 1865 >> census in Fjelberg so I wonder if she may have died in childhood? >> >> Source information: Hordaland county, Fjelberg, >> Parish register (official) nr. A 8 (1866-1879), Migration records 1875, >> page 319. >> Permanent pagelink: >> www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=11392&idx_id= >> 11392&uid=ny&idx_side=-244 >> >> >> Cliff Lien >> Alberta, Canada >> cjl@interbaun.com >> >> >> From: Doris Waggoner >> Sent: Saturday, March 14, 2015 10:34 PM >> To: Cliff Lien >> Subject: Re: [NOR] Help locating a different Fatland family in Norway >> Cliff- >> >> Thank you, once again! I wondered, as it didn't seem to make sense that >> she would return. I have a question for you on that arrival list in NY. >> First, it appears to me that only 7 of the children appear. Am I reading >> that right? Jostein said the bygdebok indicated that all 10 emigrated. Also >> it seems that Hans, the husband who died in Liverpool is on the list. How >> can that be? >> >> I also have a technical question about copying what you sent me, but I'll >> try one more time tomorrow. >> >> The list has me almost overwhelmed with more info than I can make sense of >> for the moment. What a good place to be! >> >> Doris >> >> >> > Norwaylist Archiveshttp://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=norway > > RESUBSCRIBE UNSUB > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/NOR/NORWAY.html > > guidelines http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~norway/guidelines.htm > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORWAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Dear Jostein and other Listers! Thank you very much Jostein for correcting that occupation title. Ancestry.com had it interpreted "state brace inspector", but looking at the original 1920 census for Montrose, CO it certainly does say "state brand inspector". I suppose he was then responsible for inspecting that cattle was identified with the correct brand mark? Now I am hoping for some success finding newspaper items on these people... Thanks again for your great assistance in this matter! Very sincerely yours, Lars E. Oyane ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ On Mar 15, 2015, at 11:29 PM, jaasland via wrote: > Lars, > > Look at the possibility that "state brace inspector" is "state brand inspector." That is indentification brands on cattle. > > Jostein > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lars E. Oyane via" <norway@rootsweb.com> > To: norway@rootsweb.com > Sent: Sunday, March 15, 2015 9:30:13 PM > Subject: [NOR] Civil War vet. & Gold miner Andrew Groves of Baker Co., OR (1847-1935) - a colorful person! - who was his wife? > > Dear Listers, > > Today I wish to share with you the biography of a rather "colorful" person whose wife I am having trouble finding precise information about: > > Andrew A. GROVES, also known as Andrew GROVE, son of 1845 emigrants from Hafslo parish, Luster Co., Norway, Andrew and Martha GROV, was born in Dane Co., WI Apr. 16, 1847. He entered the Civil War and was stationed in Kansas at the end of the War. Exactly when he "went west" is unknown, but he ended up mining for gold in Baker Co., OR. He had a claim in Cleary precinct, Baker Co., OR, but retired about 1915 moving into Baker City, OR. Relatives in Iowa who remembered Andrew, told me years ago that Andrew once had visited back "east", and he was quite a "character" with the mouth full of gold and a fairly "goldy" complexion in every way, wearing a huge thick fur coat full of gold buttons etc. > > At the ripe age of 80, on July 7, 1927, he was married at Vancouver, WA to Mrs. Clara A. RYAN, nee LAND, born in NY, possibly New York City, NY, about February of 1864. She had been married 1st time at Montrose, CO on Dec. 25, 1890 to Charles M. RYAN, born in Dutchess Co., NY about February of 1855 or 1857. He was a salesman and was in 1920 called a "state brace inspector" in live stock (whatever that was for a profession?). Charles and Clara mostly resided at Montrose, Montrose Co., CO where Charles died in 1925. How Clara ended up marrying Andrew Groves two years later is for me an "enigma", and the marriage didn't last very long either. Their final divorce decree was signed in Baker City, OR on Nov. 7, 1929, but in his will written that same year Andrew willed one dollar to "his dear ex-wife Clara"! Andrew remained in Baker City, OR where he died Apr. 24, 1935. Clara apparently moved back to Montrose, CO where he only son Archibald Sedgwick Ryan (1894-1955) still r! > esided, and she died in 1933. > > Then to my questions: > > * Is it possible to find any information telling us approximately WHEN Andrew Grove(s) settled on his gold mine in Baker Co., OR? Maybe newspaper articles? > > * Then I am looking for specific dates (both birth and death) for Clara Land Ryan (Groves) (1864-1933) as well as for her 1st husband Charles M. Ryan (1857-1925)? Maybe newspaper items can be located from Colorado about them? > > * Finally, can someone please clear me up on that occupation of Charles Ryan's, state brace inspector? > > Thanks a million in advance for any assistance you can give me with this family! Again I am hoping that newspaper articles can help answer at least some of the questions... > > Very sincerely yours, > > Lars E. Oyane >

Dear Earl! I presume Terje Stromsnes wishes to draw everyone's attention to an error in the original census: * When Anna Catrine was born Aug. 7 and christened Sep. 8, 1861 in Flakstad her parents are given as Knud Mortensen (rather than Morten Knudsen) and Anna Johanne Edisdatter Indre Sand. * And when the parents were married in Flakstad on Sep. 5, 1861, the groom's name is the same as above, Knud Mortensen rather than Morten Knudsen, and his father's name was Morten Knudsen, rather than Knud Mortensen! So the census taker apparently got it all "mixed-up"! Hoping this helps! Very sincerely yours, Lars E. Oyane ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ On Mar 16, 2015, at 1:47 AM, Earl Sande via wrote: > The 1865 Census for Flakstad / Gard : Sand indre / Matr. nr. 138b > (http://digitalarkivet.arkivverket.no/en-gb/ft/bosted_land/bf01038378001236#) > that I have shows under # 964 1 Morten Knudsen "Terje Strømsnes foreslår > : Knud Mortensen", 966 3 Anna Mortensdatter "Terje Strømsnes foreslår : > Knudsdatter, and under 968 5 Knud Mortensen "Terje Strømsnes foreslår : > Knudsen" > > I have the .jpg of the page, but unfortunately not the correct site for > the additional notes above. > > Can anyone please explain what's going on in the notes? > > Thanks > > Earl

The 1865 Census for Flakstad / Gard : Sand indre / Matr. nr. 138b (http://digitalarkivet.arkivverket.no/en-gb/ft/bosted_land/bf01038378001236#) that I have shows under # 964 1 Morten Knudsen "Terje Strømsnes foreslår : Knud Mortensen", 966 3 Anna Mortensdatter "Terje Strømsnes foreslår : Knudsdatter, and under 968 5 Knud Mortensen "Terje Strømsnes foreslår : Knudsen" I have the .jpg of the page, but unfortunately not the correct site for the additional notes above. Can anyone please explain what's going on in the notes? Thanks Earl

Dear Listers, Today I wish to share with you the biography of a rather "colorful" person whose wife I am having trouble finding precise information about: Andrew A. GROVES, also known as Andrew GROVE, son of 1845 emigrants from Hafslo parish, Luster Co., Norway, Andrew and Martha GROV, was born in Dane Co., WI Apr. 16, 1847. He entered the Civil War and was stationed in Kansas at the end of the War. Exactly when he "went west" is unknown, but he ended up mining for gold in Baker Co., OR. He had a claim in Cleary precinct, Baker Co., OR, but retired about 1915 moving into Baker City, OR. Relatives in Iowa who remembered Andrew, told me years ago that Andrew once had visited back "east", and he was quite a "character" with the mouth full of gold and a fairly "goldy" complexion in every way, wearing a huge thick fur coat full of gold buttons etc. At the ripe age of 80, on July 7, 1927, he was married at Vancouver, WA to Mrs. Clara A. RYAN, nee LAND, born in NY, possibly New York City, NY, about February of 1864. She had been married 1st time at Montrose, CO on Dec. 25, 1890 to Charles M. RYAN, born in Dutchess Co., NY about February of 1855 or 1857. He was a salesman and was in 1920 called a "state brace inspector" in live stock (whatever that was for a profession?). Charles and Clara mostly resided at Montrose, Montrose Co., CO where Charles died in 1925. How Clara ended up marrying Andrew Groves two years later is for me an "enigma", and the marriage didn't last very long either. Their final divorce decree was signed in Baker City, OR on Nov. 7, 1929, but in his will written that same year Andrew willed one dollar to "his dear ex-wife Clara"! Andrew remained in Baker City, OR where he died Apr. 24, 1935. Clara apparently moved back to Montrose, CO where he only son Archibald Sedgwick Ryan (1894-1955) still resided, and she died in 1933. Then to my questions: * Is it possible to find any information telling us approximately WHEN Andrew Grove(s) settled on his gold mine in Baker Co., OR? Maybe newspaper articles? * Then I am looking for specific dates (both birth and death) for Clara Land Ryan (Groves) (1864-1933) as well as for her 1st husband Charles M. Ryan (1857-1925)? Maybe newspaper items can be located from Colorado about them? * Finally, can someone please clear me up on that occupation of Charles Ryan's, state brace inspector? Thanks a million in advance for any assistance you can give me with this family! Again I am hoping that newspaper articles can help answer at least some of the questions... Very sincerely yours, Lars E. Oyane

Lars, Look at the possibility that "state brace inspector" is "state brand inspector." That is indentification brands on cattle. Jostein ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lars E. Oyane via" <norway@rootsweb.com> To: norway@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, March 15, 2015 9:30:13 PM Subject: [NOR] Civil War vet. & Gold miner Andrew Groves of Baker Co., OR (1847-1935) - a colorful person! - who was his wife? Dear Listers, Today I wish to share with you the biography of a rather "colorful" person whose wife I am having trouble finding precise information about: Andrew A. GROVES, also known as Andrew GROVE, son of 1845 emigrants from Hafslo parish, Luster Co., Norway, Andrew and Martha GROV, was born in Dane Co., WI Apr. 16, 1847. He entered the Civil War and was stationed in Kansas at the end of the War. Exactly when he "went west" is unknown, but he ended up mining for gold in Baker Co., OR. He had a claim in Cleary precinct, Baker Co., OR, but retired about 1915 moving into Baker City, OR. Relatives in Iowa who remembered Andrew, told me years ago that Andrew once had visited back "east", and he was quite a "character" with the mouth full of gold and a fairly "goldy" complexion in every way, wearing a huge thick fur coat full of gold buttons etc. At the ripe age of 80, on July 7, 1927, he was married at Vancouver, WA to Mrs. Clara A. RYAN, nee LAND, born in NY, possibly New York City, NY, about February of 1864. She had been married 1st time at Montrose, CO on Dec. 25, 1890 to Charles M. RYAN, born in Dutchess Co., NY about February of 1855 or 1857. He was a salesman and was in 1920 called a "state brace inspector" in live stock (whatever that was for a profession?). Charles and Clara mostly resided at Montrose, Montrose Co., CO where Charles died in 1925. How Clara ended up marrying Andrew Groves two years later is for me an "enigma", and the marriage didn't last very long either. Their final divorce decree was signed in Baker City, OR on Nov. 7, 1929, but in his will written that same year Andrew willed one dollar to "his dear ex-wife Clara"! Andrew remained in Baker City, OR where he died Apr. 24, 1935. Clara apparently moved back to Montrose, CO where he only son Archibald Sedgwick Ryan (1894-1955) still r! esided, and she died in 1933. Then to my questions: * Is it possible to find any information telling us approximately WHEN Andrew Grove(s) settled on his gold mine in Baker Co., OR? Maybe newspaper articles? * Then I am looking for specific dates (both birth and death) for Clara Land Ryan (Groves) (1864-1933) as well as for her 1st husband Charles M. Ryan (1857-1925)? Maybe newspaper items can be located from Colorado about them? * Finally, can someone please clear me up on that occupation of Charles Ryan's, state brace inspector? Thanks a million in advance for any assistance you can give me with this family! Again I am hoping that newspaper articles can help answer at least some of the questions... Very sincerely yours, Lars E. Oyane Norwaylist Archiveshttp://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=norway RESUBSCRIBE UNSUB http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/NOR/NORWAY.html guidelines http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~norway/guidelines.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORWAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Sorry sleeping I guess... I sent the url instead of the link? Source information: Hordaland county, Fjelberg Parish register (official) nr. A 8 (1866-1879), Migration records 1875, page 319. Permanent pagelink: www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=7004&idx_id=7004&uid=ny&idx_side=-244 Cliff Lien Alberta, Canada cjl@interbaun.com -----Original Message----- From: Cliff Lien via Sent: Sunday, March 15, 2015 10:22 AM To: Doris Waggoner ; Norway List Subject: Re: [NOR] Help locating a different Fatland family in Norway Hi Doris, I highly recommend when you reply to any answer you might receive that you reply to the whole list as well as your "answerer". If you ask a further question of just the person that supplied some info, you cut the number of people available to answer that question from about 1,000 to one single person. The reason Norway-L works so many miracles is that many people find clues attacking the problem form all kinds of different angles. Therefore and hencely-wise I added Norway-L to my reply here :-) I see only six children with Hans and Marie leaving Fjelberg 9 Mar 1875 Hans b. 5 Aug 1855 Eivind b. 1 Jan 1860 Jonas b. 5 May 1862 Ole b. 31 May 1865 Ingeborg Serine b. 1 Apr 1867 Amund b. 6 Mar 1870 If you look at the out-migrant record of 1875 in Fjelberg below where most of the family leaves, then work your way backwards through 1873, you will find three more children back to Petter born 13 Dec 1850 emigrating 10 Jun 1873. I think Hans is mentioned twice, 9 Aug 1874 and then with the family again in 1875. Did he return to Norway to lead the family over? Makes sense to me... I cannot find Kari Mari born 15 Jan 1849, but I do not see her in the 1865 census in Fjelberg so I wonder if she may have died in childhood? Source information: Hordaland county, Fjelberg, Parish register (official) nr. A 8 (1866-1879), Migration records 1875, page 319. Permanent pagelink: www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=11392&idx_id=11392&uid=ny&idx_side=-244 Cliff Lien Alberta, Canada cjl@interbaun.com

Cliff, I will accept your wisdom, and include the list. Certainly the list has been very helpful to me in the past! I can open the pagelink you provide, but make no sense out of it. It opens to pg. 238, and I can move it to pg. 244. But I don't find any names that look like my family. Partly I know it's unfamiliarity with the old handwriting. What line numbers should I be looking for? This is the list of the family leaving the church for America? I have seen one of these before, so I would expect to see names, the date they left, and in the far right column the word "Amerika," and I don't see that. Did different regions use different forms for these church books? The one I saw an image of before was for Vestfold, in 1890. The birth year for Kari Marie comes from two different Ancestry trees, both unsourced, both with the birth year 1849. The marriage date for Hans and Dorotea is 29 May 1849, meaning Dorotea would have been pregnant with Kari when they were married, but this didn't disturb me. More to the point, one tree gave Kari a year of death of 1875, the other 1925, and one said she was married to Peter Bergland. She could have died in 1875 prior to the rest of the family emigrating. After you gave me the Find-A-Grave notice for Dorotea and her son Even (Evind) in Richland Co, ND, I widened the search to all of ND, looking for Kari, and didn't find her. There are few enough Fatlands that I should leave off the geographical limit entirely to find all the children of this family who died in the US. Peter and Amund show up in the index for ND, though I haven't had time to check them out yet. Back to the issue of Kari Marie. You may well be right that she died prior to the 1865 census; she may not even have married. Unsourced Ancestry trees are not always correct. My "technical" question that I referred to before is that in the page you sent me last night, I was able to enlarge it to read the list of the family, which included Hans in the family that arrived in New York. But once I enlarged it, I could not save it as a .jpg. It was now shown as a "large jpg" and that wasn't a file type that could be saved. It said "invalid image." I have a copy of a transcript of what I now realize is a ship's arrival that I got from Ancestry in 2011. It has the same six names of children on it that you list, though some of them are garbled. The father's name is included, and is "Andreas." We know now that he was not on the ship, having died in Liverpool, but the list would have shown his name, is that correct? So for now my questions are: How to read the page you sent me the link for. How to save it. I use ODT in Google, and can open a .jpg in Picasa if that makes any difference. How to save the page you sent me last night. Would Hans, the father, still have shown up on the list of arrivals in NY, since he had died in Liverpool? Any further clarification would be welcome as well. Thanks to any who can help, Doris On Sun, Mar 15, 2015 at 9:22 AM, Cliff Lien <cjl@interbaun.com> wrote: > Hi Doris, > > I highly recommend when you reply to any answer you might receive that you > reply to the whole list as well as your "answerer". > If you ask a further question of just the person that supplied some info, > you cut the number of people available to answer that question from about > 1,000 to one single person. The reason Norway-L works so many miracles is > that many people find clues attacking the problem form all kinds of > different angles. Therefore and hencely-wise I added Norway-L to my reply > here :-) > > I see only six children with Hans and Marie leaving Fjelberg 9 Mar 1875 > Hans b. 5 Aug 1855 > Eivind b. 1 Jan 1860 > Jonas b. 5 May 1862 > Ole b. 31 May 1865 > Ingeborg Serine b. 1 Apr 1867 > Amund b. 6 Mar 1870 > > > If you look at the out-migrant record of 1875 in Fjelberg below where most > of the family leaves, then work your way backwards through 1873, you will > find three more children back to Petter born 13 Dec 1850 emigrating 10 Jun > 1873. I think Hans is mentioned twice, 9 Aug 1874 and then with the family > again in 1875. Did he return to Norway to lead the family over? Makes > sense to me... > > I cannot find Kari Mari born 15 Jan 1849, but I do not see her in the 1865 > census in Fjelberg so I wonder if she may have died in childhood? > > Source information: Hordaland county, Fjelberg, > Parish register (official) nr. A 8 (1866-1879), Migration records 1875, > page 319. > Permanent pagelink: > www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=11392&idx_id= > 11392&uid=ny&idx_side=-244 > > > Cliff Lien > Alberta, Canada > cjl@interbaun.com > > > From: Doris Waggoner > Sent: Saturday, March 14, 2015 10:34 PM > To: Cliff Lien > Subject: Re: [NOR] Help locating a different Fatland family in Norway > Cliff- > > Thank you, once again! I wondered, as it didn't seem to make sense that > she would return. I have a question for you on that arrival list in NY. > First, it appears to me that only 7 of the children appear. Am I reading > that right? Jostein said the bygdebok indicated that all 10 emigrated. Also > it seems that Hans, the husband who died in Liverpool is on the list. How > can that be? > > I also have a technical question about copying what you sent me, but I'll > try one more time tomorrow. > > The list has me almost overwhelmed with more info than I can make sense of > for the moment. What a good place to be! > > Doris > > >

I didn't think it was necessary to repeat myself... LOL Have a nice weekend! Clark in Japan On 15-Mar-15 10:37 AM, Lars E. Oyane via wrote: > Dear Listers, > > Hoping that Clark doesn't accuse me for hijacking the list again (hehe), ................. > > Thanks a million for your wonderful assistance! > > Very sincerely yours, > > Lars E. Oyane

Dear Jerrald and other Listers! Thank you very much, Jerrald, for presenting some of the information regarding Dora Trinko's destiny. The first time we see her listed in UIS records is in the 1900 census when she resided with the Baihm family in Menomonie, WI, but I see no sign she was related to the Baihms, so I believe the best way to trace this family remains finding information about the other Trinkos from Menomonie, WI. I am fairly certain there must be some information available about the family thru newspaper articles? Thanks again for your great assistance with this family! Very sincerely yours, Lars E. Oyane ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ On Mar 14, 2015, at 9:49 PM, Jerrald Lloyd via wrote: > > > > John Baihm > Birth 1853 in Germany Death > > > +Save this person to your tree > > > ?Comment on this > > > ?View his family tree ?View family members ?Print? More options?Overview Facts and Sources Media Gallery Comments Member Connect > > > > > > > Media Gallery > > > No photos, stories, audio or video have been added yet. > > > > Timeline > > > > > 1 Source? > Birth > 1853 > Germany > > > > 1 Source? > Residence > 1900 > > Age: 47 > Menominee town (excl. Menominee city), Dunn, Wisconsin > > View details > > > + Add Comment > Comments > > > No comments have been added yet. > > > > > Family Members > > > > > Parents > > ? > No Father > > ? > No Mother > > > Spouse & Children? > > ? > Margaret Brehm1862 - > ? > > > ? > John Brihm1883 - > ? > > > ? > Dora E Johnson Trinko1884 - 1969 > ? > > > ? > Louis Brihm1891 - > ? > > > ? > Mary Brihm1898 - > ? > > ... > View Family Group Sheet > > > > Source Informatio > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Lars E. Oyane via" <norway@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, March 14, 2015 9:28 PM > To: <norway@rootsweb.com> > Subject: [NOR] Dora Trinko Johnson of Milwaukee,WI - her family background > via Menomonie, WI - help, please? > >> Dear Listers, >> >> This problem has been presented on a list of emigration from Germany, but >> no decisive information has come out of it, so now I try you >> Norway-listers, hoping that maybe newspaper articles, perhaps obituaries, >> can be found in and around Menomonie, WI? >> >> I am trying to identify one Dora E. TRINKO who was probably born at >> ERDWEIS, Niederoesterreich, Austria Nov. 24, 1884 as the daughter of one >> Jos. Trinko and wife Mary, and who supposedly emigrated to Menomonie, WI >> about 1892. She married in Milwaukee, WI June 17, 1909 to Christian >> Johnson from Buffalo Co.,WI, born June 10, 1882. Both parents came from >> Norway! >> >> There are several TRINKO families in and around Menomonie, WI, and I >> suspect they are all related. I am trying to find information about >> Dora's background! >> >> * Anton Trinko (born 1848) who with wife Maria (born 1855) apparently >> emigrated in 1891 with 6 children, including Sylvester (1886) said to be >> born at ERDWEIS in 1886 (re: WW2 draft record). >> >> * Johan "John" Trinko (born 1850), Clerk of Court in Dunn Co., WI about >> 1900, apparently emigrated as a widower in 1888 with a son Joseph (born >> 1876) >> >> * Frank Trinko (born 1857), supposedly emigrated in 1881, settled in Pepin >> Co., WI >> >> * Silvester Trinko (born 1862), supposedly emigrated in 1881, resided at >> Menomonie, WI >> >> One of these Trinkos was a County Official in Dunn Co., WI >> >> I believe Anton, John, Frank and Silvester were brothers, and I suspect >> they had another brother Joseph who married a Mary and who stayed behind >> in Austria. Their daughter Dora emigrated in the early 1890's, probably >> accompanying a relative, maybe "uncle" Anton? >> >> By the way, I discovered an old debate on ancestry.com including this >> family (posted in 2004) (This family is, just like Sylvester above, >> referred to Erdweis): >> >> 1. Anna Marie (Kahl)1 Trinko was born in Beinhofen, Austria circa 1770. >> Anna died Jan 31, 1848 in Erdweis, Niederoesterreich, Austria, at 77 years >> of age. She married Lorenz Trinko in Erdweis, Niederoesterreich, Austria, >> circa 1797. Lorenz was born in Erdweis, Austria circa 1766. Lorenz died >> Aug 26, 1830 in Erdweis, Niederoesterreich, Austria, at 64 years of age. >> Anna Marie (Kahl) Trinko and Lorenz Trinko had the following children: >> >> i. Eleanora Trinko was born in Erdweis, Niederoesterreich, Austria Feb 17, >> 1798. >> ii. Johannes Trinko was born in Erdweis, Niederoesterreich, Austria May >> 28, 1800. >> iii. Magdalena Trinko was born in Erdweis, Niederoesterreich, Austria Jul >> 9, 1803. >> iv. Anna Maria Trinko was born in Erdweis, Niederoesterreich, Austria Aug >> 10, 1806. >> v. Joseph Trinko was born Mar 5, 1808 and died Jun 18, 1873. >> vi. Elisabetha Trinko was born in Erdweis, Niederoesterreich, Austria Nov >> 10, 1810. >> vii. Andreas Trinko was born in Erdweis, Niederoesterreich, Austria Nov >> 30, 1813. >> >> Thanks a million for any assistance I can get identifying Dora and her >> family relationship! >> >> Very sincerely yours, >> >> Lars E. Oyane

Dear Annette and other Listers! Thank you very much, Annette, for sending me those newspaper clippings from William Pease and Ida Irene Moore's wedding. I knew the date, but the clippings included some interesting names of relatives. It seems like most of that Pease family moved to Minnesota, and then it is so strange that William was buried back in Maine! I believe he may have died in Minnesota, and yet his death record is nowhere to be found...! Strange indeed! Very sncerely yours, Lars E. Oyane ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ On Mar 14, 2015, at 11:03 PM, Annette Bowen via wrote: > Lars, > Chronicling America has the marriage of Ida More to William Pease, near the > bottom of column 3. > *The Saint Paul globe.* (St. Paul, Minn.), 06 May 1898. *Chronicling > America: Historic American Newspapers*. Lib. of Congress. < > http://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/lccn/sn90059523/1898-05-06/ed-1/seq-2/> > > It is also in column 2 here under In Cupid's Realm. > *The Saint Paul globe.* (St. Paul, Minn.), 08 May 1898. *Chronicling > America: Historic American Newspapers*. Lib. of Congress. < > http://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/lccn/sn90059523/1898-05-08/ed-1/seq-21/> > > Annette > > On Sat, Mar 14, 2015 at 6:18 PM, Lars E. Oyane via <norway@rootsweb.com> > wrote: > >> Dear Barbara and other Listers! >> >> Thank you very much, Barbara, for your latest suggestions on this topic! >> >> To be honest, I have never thought of contacting the Episcopal Church in >> this or any other matters. It might indeed be worth tryiong, but I fear it >> may be a "tough" task! The cemetery as well as the funeral director were >> not able to help me any further, and I have found out there are at least >> four Episcopal churches in Little Rock, AR. It may seem like Reginald >> Moore's widow as well as her children all moved from Little Rock, AR after >> Reginald died, and then they MAY have taken grandma Ida with them, wherever >> they went, even though she was 89 years old! >> >> My hope was that SOMEONE would run across that name IDA PEASE when >> searching newspaper indexes? >> >> Sooner or later I feel she just has to show up... >> >> Thanks again for all new suggestions on this topic! >> >> Very sincerely yours, >> >> Lars E. Oyane >> >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> >> On Mar 10, 2015, at 7:38 PM, Barbara Young via wrote: >> >>> Dear Lars, >>> >>> That is too bad. >>> >>> Her other children were in Little Rock - are they still there? >>> >>> Would the Episcopal Church have anything? The funeral director and >>> cemetery would have the name of the one who handled the arrangements if >>> she was till in Little Rock when she died. >>> >>> All the best >>> Sincerely, >>> Barbara >>> >>> On 3/10/2015 8:27 PM, Lars E. Oyane via wrote: >>>> Dear Barbara and other Listers! >>>> >>>> Thank you very much, Barbara, for your latest message, >>>> >>>> Yes, I believe her last address was a nursing home, but it no longer >> exists! And who knows where the records went...? >>>> >>>> Very sincerely yours, >>>> >>>> Lars E. Oyane >>>> >>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >>>> >>>> On Mar 10, 2015, at 7:17 PM, Barbara Young wrote: >>>> >>>>> Dear Lars, >>>>> >>>>> It appears that she may have moved after her son died. Was she living >> with him? You might check that last address - it could be a Nursing home >> or a home for the elderly. They perhaps have more information. >>>>> >>>>> All the best, >>>>> Sincerely. >>>>> Barbara in MA >>>>> >>>>> On 3/10/2015 7:52 PM, Lars E. Oyane via wrote: >>>>>> Dear Barbara, Jerrald and other listers! >>>>>> >>>>>> Thank you very much for your latest comments on this problem from >> yesterday! I tried a couple of years ago to find an obituary for William >> Pease but to no avail. I guess I am now hoping that something will show >> about him in some newspaper database!? >>>>>> >>>>>> As far as Ida Irene is concerned, she is (according to ancestry.com) >> listed in at least three Little Rock, AR city directories: >>>>>> >>>>>> Name: Mrs Ida I Pease >>>>>> Gender: Female >>>>>> Residence Year: 1949 >>>>>> Street address: 2310 S Tyler >>>>>> Residence Place: Little Rock, Arkansas, USA >>>>>> Publication Title: Little Rock, Arkansas, City Directory, 1949 >>>>>> >>>>>> Name: Ida Pease I (wid. William) >>>>>> Gender: Female >>>>>> Residence Year: 1951 >>>>>> Street address: 2310 S. Tyler >>>>>> Residence Place: Little Rock, Arkansas, USA >>>>>> >>>>>> Publication Title: Little Rock, Arkansas, City Directory, 1951 >>>>>> >>>>>> Name: Mrs Ida Pease >>>>>> Gender: Female >>>>>> Residence Year: 1958 >>>>>> Street address: 410 Commerce >>>>>> Residence Place: Little Rock, Arkansas, USA >>>>>> Publication Title: Little Rock, Arkansas, City Directory, 1958 >>>>>> >>>>>> In 1958 she was 89 years old. I should also add the her son in >> Little Rock, AR was Reginald E. MOORE who died at Little Rock, AR in 1958! >> His obituary follows: >>>>>> >>>>>> "Arkansas Gazette 6-18-1958 Page 13A >>>>>> >>>>>> Reginald E. Moore, Auto Broker >>>>>> >>>>>> Reginald E. Moore, aged 67, of 6609 E. Wakefield Drive, a retired >> auto broker, died Monday at a Little Rock hospital. He had lived at Little >> Rock for the past 16 years. He was an Episcopalian. Survivors include his >> wife; four sons, William Moore of Los Angeles and James Moore, Harold >> Moore and Richard Moore, all of Little Rock; a daughter, Mrs. Marion Towler >> of Los Angeles, his mother, Mrs. Ida Irene Pease of Little Rock and four >> grandchildren. Funeral arrangements will be announced by Drummond Funeral >> Home." >>>>>> >>>>>> According to the funeral home Reginald was buried in a single grave >> at the Pincrest Memorial Park cemetery at Alexander, AR. >>>>>> >>>>>> So, what happened to Ida?? >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks again for your great assistance trying to solve this mystery! >>>>>> >>>>>> Very sincerely yours, >>>>>> >>>>>> Lars E. Oyane >>>>>> >>>>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >>>>>> >>>>>> On Mar 9, 2015, at 6:08 PM, Jerrald Lloyd via wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> William W. Pease >>>>>>> Birth Aug 1857 in Anson, Somerset, Maine, USA Death 1913 in >> Minnesota >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Birth >>>>>>> 1857 >>>>>>> Aug >>>>>>> Anson, Somerset, Maine, USA >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Residence >>>>>>> 1860 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Age: 3 >>>>>>> Anson, Somerset, Maine, USA >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Residence >>>>>>> 1870 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Age: 13 >>>>>>> Anson, Somerset, Maine, USA >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Residence >>>>>>> 1885 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 1 May >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Age: 27 >>>>>>> St Paul, Ramsey, Minnesota, USA >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Residence >>>>>>> 1895 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Age: 38 >>>>>>> St Paul, Ramsey, Minnesota, USA >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Marriage to Ida Irene Felton >>>>>>> 1898 >>>>>>> 3 May >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Age: 40 >>>>>>> Blue Earth, Faribault, Minnesota, USA >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Residence >>>>>>> 1900 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Age: 43 >>>>>>> St Paul, Ramsey, Minnesota, USA >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Divorce from Ida Irene Felton >>>>>>> 1905-1910 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Age: 48 >>>>>>> St Paul, Ramsey, Minnesota, USA >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Occupation >>>>>>> 1910 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Age: 53 >>>>>>> Tailor >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Residence >>>>>>> 1910 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Age: 53 >>>>>>> St Paul, Ramsey, Minnesota, USA >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Death >>>>>>> 1913 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Age: 56 >>>>>>> Minnesota(probable) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Burial >>>>>>> 1913 >>>>>>> North Anson, Somerset, Maine, USA >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -------------------------------------------------- >>>>>>> From: "Lars E. Oyane via" <norway@rootsweb.com> >>>>>>> Sent: Monday, March 09, 2015 9:39 AM >>>>>>> To: <norway@rootsweb.com> >>>>>>> Subject: [NOR] Charles F. Moore's wife Ida Irene and her 2nd husband >> - >>>>>>> twonew brick walls - maybe solved by newspaper articles? >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Dear Listers, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I have no idea just how many hours I have spent researching this >> very >>>>>>>> "elusive" family, spreading out to Little Rock, AR as well as to >> Somerset >>>>>>>> Co., ME. I have finally put together the following manuscript, >> with a >>>>>>>> hope tat someone with expertise on newspaper research can help me >> find in >>>>>>>> particular TWO DEATHS and/or OBITUARIES. Let me show you my >> manuscript: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Carl Fredrik aka Charles F. Moore, born in Sogndal Co., Norway Aug. >> 15, >>>>>>>> 1865, emigrated with his parents in 1869 and died in Chicago, IL >> July 5, >>>>>>>> 1927. He was married at Mankato, MN Nov. 2, 1885 to Ida Irene Gavin >>>>>>>> Felton, born in Olmsted Co., MN April ?, 1869. She died after 1959, >>>>>>>> probably at Little Rock, AR. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ##### (exact date and place of death for Ida Irene Gavin Felton >> Moore >>>>>>>> Pease?) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Charles and Ida were divorced about 1893, and Ida remarried in >> Mankato, MN >>>>>>>> May 5, 1898 to William Warren Pease, born in Somerset Co., ME Aug. >> ?, >>>>>>>> 1857. He supposedly died in Jan. or Feb. of 1913 and was buried in >>>>>>>> Somerset Co., ME. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ##### (exact date and place of death for William Warren Pease?) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> William Pease was a tailor and he and Ida resided in St. Paul, >> Ramsey Co., >>>>>>>> MN, but were also divorced about 1908. Charles Moore was remarried >> in >>>>>>>> Chicago, IL Jan. 1, 1905 to Gertrude P. Heiserman, born in Fayette >> Co., IA >>>>>>>> July 6, 1874. She died at Oakland, CA July 26, 1951. Charles >> Moore was a >>>>>>>> pharmacist and a commercial salesman and lived with Ida at Mankato, >> Blue >>>>>>>> Earth Co., MN and at Fergus Falls, Otter tail Co., MN. After their >>>>>>>> divorce Charles moved to St.Louis, MO, but after he married >> Gertrude in >>>>>>>> 1905, he settled down in Chicago, Cook Co., IL. As a widow >> Gertrude moved >>>>>>>> in the 1930's to Oakland, Alameda Co., CA. Officially Charles had >> two >>>>>>>> sons, both by his 1st wife Ida, but rumors say he only fathered the >> oldest >>>>>>>> one of them. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Any suggestions as to how the missing details about Ida and William >> can be >>>>>>>> found, would be more than appreciated! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thanks a million! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Very sincerely yours, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Lars E. Oyane

Hi Doris, I highly recommend when you reply to any answer you might receive that you reply to the whole list as well as your "answerer". If you ask a further question of just the person that supplied some info, you cut the number of people available to answer that question from about 1,000 to one single person. The reason Norway-L works so many miracles is that many people find clues attacking the problem form all kinds of different angles. Therefore and hencely-wise I added Norway-L to my reply here :-) I see only six children with Hans and Marie leaving Fjelberg 9 Mar 1875 Hans b. 5 Aug 1855 Eivind b. 1 Jan 1860 Jonas b. 5 May 1862 Ole b. 31 May 1865 Ingeborg Serine b. 1 Apr 1867 Amund b. 6 Mar 1870 If you look at the out-migrant record of 1875 in Fjelberg below where most of the family leaves, then work your way backwards through 1873, you will find three more children back to Petter born 13 Dec 1850 emigrating 10 Jun 1873. I think Hans is mentioned twice, 9 Aug 1874 and then with the family again in 1875. Did he return to Norway to lead the family over? Makes sense to me... I cannot find Kari Mari born 15 Jan 1849, but I do not see her in the 1865 census in Fjelberg so I wonder if she may have died in childhood? Source information: Hordaland county, Fjelberg, Parish register (official) nr. A 8 (1866-1879), Migration records 1875, page 319. Permanent pagelink: www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=11392&idx_id=11392&uid=ny&idx_side=-244 Cliff Lien Alberta, Canada cjl@interbaun.com From: Doris Waggoner Sent: Saturday, March 14, 2015 10:34 PM To: Cliff Lien Subject: Re: [NOR] Help locating a different Fatland family in Norway Cliff- Thank you, once again! I wondered, as it didn't seem to make sense that she would return. I have a question for you on that arrival list in NY. First, it appears to me that only 7 of the children appear. Am I reading that right? Jostein said the bygdebok indicated that all 10 emigrated. Also it seems that Hans, the husband who died in Liverpool is on the list. How can that be? I also have a technical question about copying what you sent me, but I'll try one more time tomorrow. The list has me almost overwhelmed with more info than I can make sense of for the moment. What a good place to be! Doris

Dear Jerrald, Annette and other Listers! Thank you very much for your messages in regard to Otto Bolstad! I have been in contact with a couple of family members, so some of this information is known to me, while many details are still missing. And those requested marriages are among the latter category. The family was apparently quite "international"... A brother of Otto's was for many years a resident of Madagascar! If Otto's 2nd marriage to Cecile occurred in Alaska, I can understand we have difficulties finding it, since Alaska records appear to be rather "sketchy", but even marriage records from WA are not always included in the otherwise so excellent records from the Washington State Archives! Even more surprising is it though that Otto's 1st marriage to Minnie Cook shall be so difficult to find. FamilySearch appear to have a large collection of vital records from Illinois, but still it's so hard...! Thanks again for your efforts in this matter! I would think these marriages must have been announced somewhere, in some newspaper? Very sincerely yours, Lars E. Oyane ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ On Mar 14, 2015, at 10:51 PM, Annette Bowen via wrote: > Lars, > I found a brief obit for his first wife, Minnie, in 1945, and a longer obit > for their son David, who died in a plane crash in North Africa in 1953. > Neither gave any clue as to the marriage location. there was an Otto > Bolstad in Grand Forks, ND, a teacher, but your Otto would not have been > old enough to be that man. > > Minnie died 22 Dec., was the wife of Otto D. Bolstad, mother of Daniel, > David, Ralph, Helen, Jean, Doris, Lois and Joan, daughter of William H. > Cook. She was a member of Central Lutheran Church and was buried at > Lincoln memorial Park. > (Oregonian, Portland, Dec. 25, 1945) > > David was born in Chicago October 30, 1930, attended school at Sequim, > Wash., and Benson High School in Portland, Oregon. His survivors were his > widow, Nina D. Bolstad, Rossier City, La. (this should be Bossier City), > who was expecting their second child in May, one son David W. Bolstad, Jr., > 3, father and step-mother Mr. and Mrs. Otto D. Bolstad, Mountain View, > Alaska; five sisters, Helen Campbell, Chicago; Lois Olson, Lowell, Wash.; > Joan Bolstad, Mountain View, Alaska, and Jean Anson and Doris Liebe, > Hermiston; two brothers, Airman 1/C Daniel Bolstad, Tripoli, and Ralph > Bolstad, Everett, and grandparents, mr. and Mrs. H. D. Bolstad, Everett. He > was buried in Willamette National Cemetery.(Portland Oregonian, Feb. 25, > 1953) > > Annette > > > On Sat, Mar 14, 2015 at 8:06 PM, Lars E. Oyane via <norway@rootsweb.com> > wrote: > >> Dear Listers! >> >> Again I am hoping for newspaper articles to help me out finding answers to >> these questions, and since no answers have reached me this last week, I >> decided I would relaunch the questions. >> >> Thanks a million for your wonderful assistance! >> >> Very sincerely yours, >> >> Lars E. Oyane >> >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> >> On Mar 6, 2015, at 6:15 AM, Lars E. Oyane via wrote: >> >>> Dear Listers! >>> >>> I have for quite some time tried to find the PLACES of these two >> marriages, but so far to no avail: >>> >>> Otto Daniel BOLSTAD, born in Pope Co., MN Jne 21, 1901, died at Chelan, >> WA Feb. 20, 1989 >>> >>> He was married 1st time June 10, 1926 - presumably in or near Evanston, >> IL - to >>> >>> Minnie Blanche COOK, born at Toronto, ON Sep. 16, 1902, died in >> Portland, OR Dec. 22, 1945 >>> >>> He was married 2nd time Nov. 11, 1950 - presumably in Sequim, WA or in >> Anchorage, AK - to >>> >>> Cecile Pearl REINKE, nee BLANCHARD, born in Waushara Co., WI June 23, >> 1894, died in Spokane, WA Sep. 10, 1966 >>> >>> He also married a 3rd time at Coeur d'Alene, ID Oct. 13, 1969, but that >> marriage has been taken care of before... >>> >>> I am rather "stumped" with the fact that I cannot find these marriages >> anywhere, so now I ask you, dear Listers, whether you can help me? Maybe >> newspaper announcements can be found? >>> >>> Thanks a million in advance for your great assistance in this matter! >>> >>> Very sincerely yours, >>> >>> Lars E. Oyane

Dear Doris and other Listers! Thanks you very much, Doris, for your willingness to help me out with this problem! YES, I am still VERY INTERESTED in a possible marriage record of John William Anderson and Matilda Webber, whether it be in OR or in WA. I'll be waiting with crossed fingers and toes! Very sincerely yours, Lars E. Oyane ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ On Mar 14, 2015, at 11:14 PM, Doris Waggoner via wrote: > Lars, > > City directories usually do have a time lag, of at least a year, for some > people. So "your" Matilda might have still been legally married to J. Wm. > Anderson until 1919, while living with Emory Webber, rather than J. Wm. > Anderson, in the 1917 directory. > > Also, the definition of "common law" marriage is rather slippery. It > doesn't mean living together and "pretending" to be married. In the states > that permit common law marriage, a couple who lives together for a certain > number of years, which varies by state, is legally married after that > length of time. If they want to split up, they would have to get a > divorce. So it's not pretending. "Just living together" is different--it > really is just living together. I'm not sure if there are states where > living together can turn into a common law marriage without a couple > realizing it. I believe I have read a website which clarifies this for the > various states, but given how common it has gotten for couples to forgo the > marriage ceremony these days, I don't know if the difference matters so > much. It is true that in many states now, a couple can register as > "domestic partners" and get the rights and responsibilities of marriage > without being married. The rights include among other things, that if one > dies without a will, the other automatically inherits, and if one is in the > hospital very ill, the other can make health decisions for them. If they > are "just living together," they do not get those privileges. > > However, for the time period you're talking about, the distinction truly > did matter. > > Don't know if this helps! > > Do you still need the marriage of John and Matilda, in the fall of 1919? > If it was in OR or Seattle, and the paperwork still exists, I should be > able to find it for you. > > Doris > > On Sat, Mar 14, 2015 at 6:37 PM, Lars E. Oyane via <norway@rootsweb.com> > wrote: > >> Dear Listers, >> >> Hoping that Clark doesn't accuse me for hijacking the list again (hehe), I >> would like to relaunch this inquiry regarding John William Anderson and his >> marriage to Mathilda Webber, and maybe even get some help to figure out >> what became of John? I am completely "stuck" on this problem... Maybe >> newspaper clippings can help? >> >> Thanks a million for your wonderful assistance! >> >> Very sincerely yours, >> >> Lars E. Oyane >> >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >>>> -------------------------------------------------- >>>> From: "Lars E. Oyane via" <norway@rootsweb.com> >>>> Sent: Sunday, March 08, 2015 1:38 PM >>>> To: <norway@rootsweb.com> >>>> Subject: Re: [NOR] 2nd attempt: Mathilda Ellsworth Anderson >>>> (1874-1927) -biography 1913-1920 Portland, OR-Seattle, WA - newspaper >>>> assistance? >>>> >>>>> Dear Listers, >>>>> >>>>> I have started asking myself what really happened in Portland, OR in >> those >>>>> years preceding 1920? >>>>> >>>>> The 1917 Portland city directory shows, among others, these entries: >>>>> >>>>> * J. Wm. Anderson (Matilda), printer, res. 1917 on 308 Jackson >>>>> >>>>> * Emery Webber (Matilda), chimney sweep., res. 690 1/2 E Morrison >>>>> >>>>> Can there be a "time lag" in the city directory? Is it possible that >>>>> Matilda was still "formally" married to Emery Webber until 1919, while >> in >>>>> "reality" she was already in 1917 a "common-law" wife of John William >>>>> Anderson's? >>>>> >>>>> In the WW1 draft records from 1918 Emery Webber is clearly alone, since >>>>> his "nearest relative" was his mother, while John William Anderson's >>>>> "nearest relative" was his wife Matilda? >>>>> >>>>> And yet I am convinced I have the "right" John William Anderson! They >>>>> moved about 1919 to Seattle, King Co., WA where I find them in the city >>>>> directories as follows: >>>>> >>>>> * 1920: John W. Anderson (Matilda), salesman, res. B3716 Angeline >>>>> >>>>> * 1922: John W. Anderson (Matilda), salesman Tent & Awning Co., res. >> 3716 >>>>> Angeline >>>>> >>>>> * 1924: J Wm Anderson (Matilda), res. 4017 23rd Ave SW >>>>> >>>>> * 1925: John W. Anderson (Mathilda), laborer, res. 4017 23rd Ave SW >>>>> >>>>> * 1926: Wm Anderson (Matilda), foreman ST&A Co, res. 4015(!) 23rd Ave >> SW >>>>> >>>>> * 1927: John W Anderson (Mathilda), salesman, res. 4017 23rd Ave SW >>>>> >>>>> Then John married Lucette, and they are together for one year: >>>>> >>>>> * 1928: John W Anderson (Lucette), salesman ST&A Co, res. 713 28th Ave >>>>> >>>>> Lucette remained on the same address, while John moved out. Perhaps >> these >>>>> entries are for him: >>>>> >>>>> * 1929: J W Anderson, res. 2320 41st Ave SW >>>>> >>>>> * 1930: J W Anderson, laborer, res. Hazel, WA >>>>> >>>>> I have always wondered what became of John William Anderson! Any >>>>> suggestions? >>>>> >>>>> Thanks again for your wonderful assistance identifying John William >>>>> Anderson and his wife/wives! >>>>> >>>>> Very sincerely yours, >>>>> >>>>> Lars E. Oyane >>>>> >>>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >>>>> >>>>> On Mar 7, 2015, at 7:41 PM, Lars E. Oyane via wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Dear Mark and other Listers! >>>>>> >>>>>> Mark, I have found something very interesting in the WW1 draft record >>>>>> system which makes me wonder whether that divorce "debate" from >> Portland, >>>>>> OR could be a year or more off? >>>>>> >>>>>> Emery Elsworth Webber's WW1 draft record from 1918 shows him as being >>>>>> unmarried and a ship yard worker, and his closest relative was his >> mother >>>>>> Ella Webber! Why would he be accused by Mathilda for NOT beig a ship >>>>>> yard worker, when he already was one? >>>>>> >>>>>> Then I found this in the WW1 draft records: >>>>>> >>>>>> John William ANDERSON, born Aug. 4, 1877, a truck driver residing on >> 492 >>>>>> 1/2 E. Burnside in Portland, OR with nearest relative MATILDA >> ANDERSON, >>>>>> same address. The card is signed Sep. 12, 1918 and has an extra >> notation >>>>>> with a new address: 2957 Charles street, Seattle, WA! >>>>>> >>>>>> John's age is a perfect "match" with Mathilda's 4th husband, and they >> did >>>>>> move to Seattle, WA, so I believe this is the one we want! >>>>>> >>>>>> But then, Emery and Mathilda's divorce must have occurred BEFORE Sep >> of >>>>>> 1918. >>>>>> >>>>>> Next question: Can John and Mathilda's marriage be found in Oregon? >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks again for your great assistance in this matter! >>>>>> >>>>>> Very sincerely yours, >>>>>> >>>>>> Lars E. Oyane >>>>>> >>>>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >>>>>> >>>>>> On Mar 7, 2015, at 1:20 PM, Lars E. Oyane via wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Dear Mark, Barbara, Greg and other listers! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> "What a wonderful world - and list..." Thanks a million, Mark, for >>>>>>> having discovered the "secret" behind Mathilda's 3rd marriage! It is >>>>>>> just amazing what these newspaper columns may include of >> information, as >>>>>>> long as it's possible to search for names in them! Thanks also to >>>>>>> Barbara and Greg for further comments! If it wasn't for Ellsworth >> being >>>>>>> of German background, I would have thought they were Ole and Lena >>>>>>> arguing in that divorce procedure from Portland...!! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Looking around a little bit, I see that Emery Elsworth Webber on his >> WW1 >>>>>>> draft says he was born Oct. 4, 1875, and he was then indeed working >> in >>>>>>> the ship yards!!! The 1880 census for Rice Co., MN gives his >> father's >>>>>>> name as Conrad Weber, and the family obviously got around! In 1900 >> they >>>>>>> were in Grand Forks, ND, but the children born between 1887 and 1896 >>>>>>> were born in Washington! Then by 1910 Conrad had died, and his wife >> had >>>>>>> moved to Portland OR! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Now that the "Ellsworth" part of this problem has been solved, I >> hope it >>>>>>> may also be possible to find Mathilda's 4th marriage to John W. >>>>>>> Anderson? They must have been married in the fall of 1919, between >>>>>>> Portland, OR and Seattle, WA? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks again, Mark for once more making my day! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Very sincerely yours, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Lars E. Oyane >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Mar 7, 2015, at 10:54 AM, Mark Erickson via wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The Oregon Daily Journal (Portland, Oregon) · Sun, Apr 6, 1919 · >> Page >>>>>>>> 10 >>>>>>>> DIVORCE COURT A BUSY PLACE >>>>>>>> E. Ellsworth Webber, a chimney sweep, alleges in a complaint for >>>>>>>> divorce >>>>>>>> that his wife, Matilda, nagged him continually to change his >> vocation >>>>>>>> and seek more lucrative employment in the shipyards

Dear Doris and other Listers! Thank you very much, Doris, for your "reminding" message, which I appreciate very much. Then, please let me apologize for not including the "original" information I have on this couple and which had been "cut off" from my latest message from yesterday: ~~~~~ Nels N. KINS born Aug. 17, 1880 in Buffalo Co., WI died Jan. 26, 1970 at Miami, Ottawa Co., OK Nels and his younger brother Albert (1882-1965) left the home farm in Buffalo Co., WI shortly after 1900 to work as cowboys for a wealthy rancher in Idaho [SHOULD BE ADAMS Co., WA] named Samuel Dyer. Albert later moved on to California, but Nels fell in love with Samuel Dyer's daughter: Alma V. DYER born Oct. 17, 1866 in Idaho Co., ID died May 5, 1949 at Hood River, OR They were (of course) NOT given the permission to marry, so they "ran off", presumably to Oregon where they must have married (secretly?) about 1908. The 1910 census shows Nels Kins as a married farmer residing alone in a hotel in Portland, OR. The 1917 city directory for The Dalles, Wasco Co., OR shows Nels as a rancher The 1918 WW1 draft record shows Nels Kins as a model laundry engineer(!) residing at The Dalles, Wasco Co., OR The 1920 city directory for The Dalles, Wasco Co., OR shows Nels as a machinist I don't find them in the 1920 census. The 1925 city directory for The Dalles, Wasco Co., OR shows Nels as a plumber The 1930 census shows Nels and Alma as "truck farmers" residing at Columbia River Highway, Hood River Co., OR The 1936 city directory for The Dalles, Wasco Co., OR shows Nels as a laborer The 1940 census shows N. N.Kens and Alma as farmers at Odell, Hood River Co., OR The 1942 WW2 draft record shows Nels Kins as a high way worker in Good River Co., OR ~~~~~ The marriage year of about 1908 is taken from the 1930 census, but may of course be inaccurate. But we know for sure it must have been between 1900 and 1910, and I PRESUME it may have been in Oregon! However, after having spent quite some time this morning looking into that Dyer family, I have found some new interesting "leads" that may help finding more: * Alma's death certificate shows she was born in Idaho Co., ID Oct. 17, 1866 as the daughter of Thomas Dyer and Sarah Harper. The informant was Melissa Snyder whom I remember as residing with Nels and Alma in 1940, but who appears to have copme from NY and probably no relative of Alma's. And the information appears to be "somewhat inaccurate": * Alma appears to the daughter of Samuel True DYER, born at Montville, Waldo Co., ME Apr. 12, 1826 who married in ME Dec. 1, 1860 to one Laura A. Philbrook. Samuel turns out to be part of an old (prominent?) (Quaker?) family from New England that can be traced back to the 1600's, at least! * The 1870 census shows Samuel and Laura Dyer as farming in Lewiston, Nez Perce Co., ID. Alma is with them. * The 1880 census shows Samuel and Laura Dyer as farming in District #3, Columbia Co., WA. Alma is with them. * The 1883 WA census shows Samuel and Laura Dyer as storekeepers in Garfield Co., WA. Alma is with them. * The 1887 WA census shows Samuel and Laura Dyer as ranchers in Adams Co., WA. Alma is with them. * The 1900 census shows Samuel and Laura Dyer as farming in Cow Creek precinct, Adams Co., WA. Alma is gone, but they had an adopted son Joseph C. Dyer, born in OR Jan. of 1887. * Then I find that Samuel Truman Dyer, widowed rancher, died near Harper, Adams Co., WA on June 18, 1907 * Then I have found the following entry in the 1900 census for Bethel precinct, Whitman Co., WA: SHIRRELL, William G. Apr. 1868 OR IL IL farmer married 1 year SHIRRELL, Alma V. Oct. 1867 ID ME ME wife no children PARKER, Wilbur L. Dec. 1896 OR unk OR nephew and their marriage: Name: William G. Shirrell Gender: Male Marriage Date: 29 Jun 1899 Marriage Place: Idaho Residence Place: Colfax Spouse: Alma Harper Spouse Gender: Female Now, here this HARPER name reappears (given as Alma's mother's maiden name in her death certificate from 1951!)! Confusing, indeed! Could she have been married once prior to her marriage to William Shirrell?? Then I find William G. Shirrell in 1910, still in Whitman Co., WA, then widowed with nephew Wilbur. By 1920 William was in Klamath Co., OR, then DIVORCED. In 1935 he was at Yreka, Siskiyou Co., CA, and he died in Santa Cruz Co., CA Aug. 12, 1941. He appears to be born at Albany, Linn Co., OR From these findings I conclude that the ranch where Nels and Albert Kins went to work shortly after 1900, must have been at Cow Creek, Adams Co., WA and NOT in Idaho! In fact they MAY well have moved west accompanying their uncle Hans URNESS (1848-1926) who in 1901 homesteaded in Benge precinct, Whitman Co., WA! But there must be more to it than that! This all sounds "kind of spicy" to me! Alma must have DIVORCED to marry Nels Kins!! But they MAY still have married in WA!? OBVIOUSLY, of great interest would be ANY newspaper articles relating to Samuel Dyer, not to mention his OBITUARY from 1907!? Thanks again to all of you for your great assistance trying to solve this challenge for me. I will keep my fingers and toes well crossed for success! Very sincerely yours, Lars E. Oyane ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ On Mar 14, 2015, at 10:46 PM, Doris Waggoner via wrote: > Lars, > > Remind us, please, what state or states you think this couple were married > in, and the potential range of dates. If it was WA or OR, there are places > I might be able to check. > > Doris > > On Sat, Mar 14, 2015 at 6:42 PM, Lars E. Oyane via <norway@rootsweb.com> > wrote: > >> Dear Listers! >> >> I would also like to relaunch this problem of mine. I am just hoping that >> newspaper articles can be found in regard to this couple, Nels and Alma >> (Dyer) Kins, who had to "escape" from her relatives to marry! >> >> Thanks again so much for your great assistance in this matter! >> >> Very sincerely yours, >> >> Lars E. Oyane >> >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Cliff, This Find-A-Grave not only provides Dorothea Marie's gravestone, but Even's, his wife's, and Kari's (the oldest child's), and no doubt a bunch more. After finding Even's and his wife's referenced with his mother's, I did a search just on "Fatland" in Richland Co. and a manageable number to look at came up. Will look at them later! It's always nice when someone has already done this kind of research for you. Thanks for the tip. Doris On Sat, Mar 14, 2015 at 7:33 AM, Cliff Lien via <norway@rootsweb.com> wrote: > Also Dorthea Marie did not go back to Norway... > > This is her in Find-A-Grave for sure - exact birthdate > > http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=67284529&ref=acom > > > Cliff Lien > Alberta, Canada > cjl@interbaun.com > > Doris wrote: > > "What I have that is a more firm information comes from a passenger list on > Ancestry. In 1875, Hans and Dorothea Fatland and a long string of children > emigrated from Norway. I don't remember the port they left from, but they > were in Liverpool on their way to America. There Hans died--he was not a > young man. Dorothea and the children went on, though eventually she > returned to Norway, dying there in 1909" > > > Norwaylist Archiveshttp:// > archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=norway > > RESUBSCRIBE UNSUB > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/NOR/NORWAY.html > > guidelines http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~norway/guidelines.htm > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NORWAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Listers, I am trying to help a friend track what happened to Ole Olsen Eines after he returned to North America from Norway in April 1927, arriving in St. John, New Brunswick, Canada.  He was born in 1888 and originally emigrated from Kristiansund on 05.05.1909.  He had been living in the states of Washington and Alaska, and then returned to Norway for a visit.  However, after he returns to North America, we have been unable to find any further traces of him. Perhaps one of the listers with Ancestry subscription that includes the newpapers can do a search.  Or there may be some other sources we haven't thought to tap. We know that he was involved in the illegal alcohol trade in Washington during the Prohibition times, so we suspect it is possible that he may have just "disappeared" at some point.  But I would like to see if there are any additional hints to what may have happened to him after April 1927. Tusen takk! Greg Holter