Cliff, Thank you for this repost from the archives. It does prove, I think, that Kitty's family and mine derive from the same family on the same Fatland farm. We knew it was the same farm, but weren't sure it was the same farm. I appreciate the work it took to dig that up. Doris On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 8:57 AM, Cliff Lien via <norway@rootsweb.com> wrote: > Yes, Peder Hansen Lillienskold is the son of Hans Olsen and his second > wife, > Ingeborg Pedersdatter Kjellesvik (1742-1823) > > I am pasting a post from Odd Braathun here which dates back to 2001... > > Cliff Lien > Alberta, Canada > cjl@interbaun.com > > <begin paste> > > From: "Odd Braathun" <odd-braathun@enitel.no> > Subject: Fatland, Fjelberg, Hordaland > Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 22:54:22 +0200 > > Hi List, This is intended for the list archive. Information sent to Tom > Hughes family@altavista.com > > > Source: Anders Havnelid. Kvinnherad volume 5 > Page 305 Fatland > > Cotter's place Kalvatræ or Fatlandstræ > 37 Hans Andersson Kjeka (28a, b. 1822, married to Dortea Marta Marie > Pettersdatter Fatland (15d), b. 1827, leased this place 1849. They called > it > Mariaplasset after his wife. The entire family emigrated to USA, but Hans > only got to England where he is buried. > Children: > a. Kari Marie, b.1849, b. Petter b. 1850 > c. Anders b. 1852, d. Hans b. 1855 > e. Anna, b. 1857, f. Eivind b. 1860 > g. Jonas b. 1862, h. Ola b. 1865 > i. Ingeborg Serine b. 1867 j. Amund b. 1870 > > Page 302 > Fatland bnr. (unit ) 3 > Parents of Dortea: > 15. Peter Hansson, married to Anna Jonsdotter, 1789-1868, got 1809 the deed > on half of Fatland while his father was still using the other half. > Children: > a. Ingeborg, b. 1817, married to Torstein Trondsson Arnevik > b. Kari, b. 1821, married to Johannes Johannesson Hillestad > c. Hans, b. 1824 > d. Dorte Marie, b. 1827, married to cotter hans Andersson in Kalvatræ, to > USA > > Page 300 > Parents of Peter Hansson: > 2. Hans Olson, 1740-1830, married to widow Lisbet Jonsdotter, 1742-82, got > the deed from his father in 1762. > In 1791 he married Ingeborg Kjellesvik, 1742-1823. Ingeborg's mother came > from the "upper class" as her > parents were Captain Peter Lillienskiold and Dorotea Bagger. > Children after Lisbet: > a. Anna, b. 1764 > b. Severina, b. 1765 (female) > c. Ola, b. 1768, married to Birgitte Larsdotter, 1771-1821, and Anna > Katrine > Monsdotter nedre Aksdal, b. 1790. Got the deed on half of the farm in 1813. > 11 children with the 2 wives. > d. Erik, b. 1769 > Children after Ingeborg: (the book has an error and repeats Lisbet) > e. Peder Lillienskiold (no DOB/DOD) - he is obviously Peter Hanson above. > f. Ola, cotter, married to Siri Olsdotter. A son Ola b. 1833 > > Page 299 > Parents of Hans Olsson, > 1. Ola Hansson, 1696-1772, married to Brita Monsdotter nedre Aksdal (2), > 1701-83, bought Fatland and was registered as a selfowner in 1733. Ola was > the son of Hans Olsson Brekke in Granvin and mother Anna > Katharina Rieber. Ola grew up on Unneland in Ulvik. He came to Fatland in > 1724. Ola Hansson became a very wealthy man. Some he obviously inherited > from his Greatgrandfather Laurits Johannesson Galtung on Torsnes. > Regards > Odd > > <end paste> > > > Norwaylist Archiveshttp:// > archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=norway > > RESUBSCRIBE UNSUB > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/NOR/NORWAY.html > > guidelines http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~norway/guidelines.htm > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NORWAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Carol, have you found Lillian's parents and the rest of the family in the 1930 US Census?  Or is that part of the mystery also? Greg Holter From: Carol Larson via <norway@rootsweb.com> To: norway@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2015 7:22 PM Subject: [NOR] Anderberg family Jamestown, North Dakota I have tracked the Christopherson (Thorson, Trogstad pick a name and they have used it!) who left Norway in 1851.  I have followed the family from Wisconsin, Minnesota (and over the state line in Iowa),  South Dakota and North Dakota.  I need some help. Caroline Thorson (born in 1859 in Fillmore County, Minnesota) married Louis Anderberg before 1880 in York, Fillmore county, Minnesota. I have followed their children and grandchildren.  I need help with one granddaughter Lillian Anderberg born 1915 in Stutsman county North Dakota.  Her parents were Frederick C. Anderberg born 12 Dec 1886 and died 21 Dec 1942, and Catherine Mariner (born about 1899 and death unknown.)  Can someone please help me to learn more about daughter Lillian Anderberg.  I have found her on a 1925 North Dakota census and then she seems to disappear. Thanks so much,  Carol Larson

Dear Leslie and other Listers! Thank you very much, Leslie, for your messages regarding Andrew Groves and your suggestions towards researching in Malheur Co., OR. I am sure there will be more records to find about him out there, in particular when it comes to land transactions. These won't help me find out more about his family, but I consider calling the Malheur library asking them for more assistance in this matter. Some of those old land records might give at least a more accurate image of Andrew Groves' "settlement history"! By the way, the library in Baker City, OR was very helpful to me what I contacted them some time ago! In the meantime I have again been in contact with the Montrose Regional Library at Montrose, CO, but they were unable to find very much. Here follows their answer to me: ~~~~~ I have been unable to locate an obituary for Clara Ryan. In the 1930's our local newspaper did not have an established obituary section, but rather published the deaths of primarily prominent citizens as general news articles. One fact that I was able to ascertain was that Clara died in 1934 instead of 1933. I wrote down 1933 when I was taking notes as we spoke so perhaps I wrote down the wrong date? I found that information on usgarchives.net and confirmed it in our local cemetery records. She is buried in Cedar Cemetary Section K, Block 37, Lot 11, SE 1/4. I have included a link that has an image of the cemetary. Cedar Cemetery records were compiled from the Valley Funeral Home which has recently gone out of business. I wish you luck in your continued search and am so sorry that I was unable to locate the needed information. ~~~~~ I can sure need that "luck" in my continued efforts to find the information I want about Clara Ryan as well as about her 1st husband Charles, but is there any other way to go? I was so much hoping for online newspaper databases to help me out... Thanks again to all of you for any additional assistance in this matter! Very sincerely yours, Lars E. Oyane ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ On Mar 16, 2015, at 6:47 PM, Leslie Quist via wrote: > There was a lot of discrimination toward the indians back then. I wouldn't > be surprised if he was as guilty as he could be and got off because the > horses belonged to the indians. About my previous email, Harney County > would be the next county south of Malheur. > Leslie Quist > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mark Erickson via" <norway@rootsweb.com> > To: <lars.e.oyane@sdsl.no>; <norway@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, March 16, 2015 7:25 AM > Subject: Re: [NOR] Civil War vet. & Gold miner Andrew Groves of Baker Co.,OR > (1847-1935) - a colorful person! - who was his wife? > > >> The daily morning Astorian. (Astoria, Or.) 1883-1899, October 30, 1895, >> Image 1 >> >> Andrew A. Groves was tried and acquitted at Pendleton on Friday on a >> charge of killing >> Indian cayuses and feeding them to his hogs. Much has been written about >> this case, >> but the evidence did not convince the jury as to Groves’ guilt. Judge >> Lovell presided. >> >> Cayuse is an archaic term used in the American West, usually referring to >> a feral >> or low-quality horse or pony. >> >> Here’s a link to the article. >> http://tinyurl.com/krhvvny >> >> Here’s another article with him buying and selling land. >> Malheur enterprise. (Vale, Or.) 1909-current, February 01, 1913, Image 3 >> http://tinyurl.com/lvbrpdm >> >> Mining claims are held by the Bureau of Land Management. He bought 158.50 >> acres >> on the 13th of October 1891 in Malheur County, Oregon. >> Here’s a link to the Land Patent.. >> http://tinyurl.com/mvtrrqk >> >> On the 8th of June 1926 he sold his lots in sections 3 and 4 to SPURLOCK, >> ALVIN C. >> Here’s a 1935 plat map that shows where the land is located. At the top of >> the page you can see that Alvin Spurlock still owns the land. >> http://tinyurl.com/lwkd4p3

Dear Annette and other Listers! Thanks a million, Annette, for an interesting message! Although the 1875 WI state census doesn't tell us very much, it may indeed be "our" Ole, in the middle of other emigrant families from Luster Co., Norway. Franklin township of Vernon Co., WI is fact one of the very most important settlement places of emigrants from Luster Co., Norway! However, many of the early settlers "went on west"; if we only knew where to... Thanks again, Annette, for your great assistance! Very sincerely yours, Lars E. Oyane ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ On Mar 19, 2015, at 10:19 PM, Annette Bowen via wrote: > There was an Ole Ostenson in Franklin, Vernon Co., WI in 1875 but it > doesn't give enough information to know if it is your man. > https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-266-11540-17212-99?cc=1443778 > > Annette > >> -------- Original message -------- >> From: "Lars E. Oyane via" <norway@rootsweb.com> >> Date:03/19/2015 3:57 AM (GMT-08:00) >> To: norway@rootsweb.com >> Cc: >> Subject: [NOR] Ole Ostenson (Bolstad?) born Luster 1822 - emigrated from >> Hadsel 1867 with wife and dau. - what became of them? >> >> Dear Listers! >> >> Another big "challenge" has today appeared in Norwegian records: >> >> Ole Ostenson Bolstad, born in Luster Co., Norway Oct. 6, 1822 >> marred in Hadsel Co., Vesteraalen Norway Oct. 12, 1859 to >> Bertha Axelia Henriksdotter Tenstrand, born in Hadsel Co., Norway Oct. 13, >> 1828 >> Ole and Bertha farmed for a while at Lunkefjord and then at Aselven in >> Hadsel Co., Borway >> >> but EMIGRATED in 1867 with one daughter: >> >> Alette Laurine (Olson?), born in Hadsel Co., Norway Aug. 10, 1861 >> >> The family shows up on "Norway Heritage" emigrating on "Protector" in 1867: >> >> 104 Ole Østensen Lonkau?? 44 M countryman* >> 105 Berte !! 37 F wife >> 106 Alette Olsd.* 5 F daughter >> >> But then to the big question: >> >> * What became of this family in the United States? >> >> Ole had one sister who emigrated: Christi Ostensdotter Bolstad (1832-1924) >> married Hans Jensson Skildum (1838-1916). They also emigrated in 1867 and >> settled first in Vernon Co., WI, removing 1878 to Moody Co., SD remaining >> there the rest of their lives. They went by the last name of JOHNSON in the >> US! >> >> I have looked for Ole in Vernon Co., WI, but don't "spot" him there... >> >> Any suggestions would be more than welcome! >> >> Very sincerely yours, >> >> Lars E. Oyane

​Cliff​ ​Cliff - Thank you so very much for clarifying this Now can someone translate this ​bit from the farmbook so I will know if I am related to Doris' Fatland family? the Hans Olson listed below is the brother of my 4th grandmother Metta Olsdtr Fatand Ve and the Peder Lillienskiold listed below is Doris' relative, so is he the son of Hans? =============================== Hans Olsson, 1740-1830, g m enkje Lisbet Jansdatter, 1742-82, fekk skøytet etter far sin 1762. I 1791 gifte han seg att m Ingeborg Pedersdatter Kjellesvik, 1742-1823. Ingeborg rekna seg av ñnt folk. Morfar og mormor var Kaptein Peter Lillienskiold og Dorthea Bagger. Barn etter Lisbet var: a Anna, 1764-, b Severina, 1765-, c Ola, 1768-, d Erik, 1769-. Barn etter Lisbet var: e Peder Lillienskiold. On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 12:00 AM, <norway-request@rootsweb.com> wrote: > Message: 2 > Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2015 08:45:32 -0600 > From: "Cliff Lien" <cjl@interbaun.com> > Subject: > ​​ > ​​ > Re: [NOR] Fatland farm > To: "Kitty Cooper" <kittymcooper@gmail.com>, <norway@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <B441A3411CE941FEB762F9A885B7C3AB@LienPC> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="utf-8"; > reply-type=original > > Kitty and others looking at Fatland families... > > The difficulty here is that there are two Fatland threads running at once. > Two different farms, one in Fjelberg, Fjelberg, one in ?kre, Sk?nevik > To add to the confusion, both are in Kvinneherad today after the changes of > 1965... > > Steve's thread initiates with a descendant of Guy Fatland 1918-1946 and > Mary > Sebesta 1919-1991 > Guy is the Gr-Grandson of Ole Ingebrigtsen Fatland 1819-1894 who emigrated > from Sk?nevik way back in 1847. > > Here in 1801 > < > http://gda.arkivverket.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=11&filnamn=f18011212&gardpostnr=68&merk=68#ovre > > > > See #64 in this Udflyttede: > > Source information: Hordaland county, Sk?nevik, Parish register (official) > nr. A 4 (1828-1848), Emigration records 1847, Imigration records 1847, page > 337. > Permanent pagelink: > > www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=11666&idx_id=11666&uid=ny&idx_side=-283 > > And this family from ?kre sogn in old Sk?nevik is the one mentioned in the > Rootweb tree I posted earlier... > > The farm (there are a few today) is located along the north side of the > ?krafjorden > Latitude: 59 45'56.04" > Longitude: 6 3'51.34" > > **** > > Doris' family (and yours?) are from Fjelberg sogn in the old Fjelberg > parish - as mentioned on the Island of Halsn?ya > Latitude: 59 44'55.06" > Longitude: 5 44'43.61" > > Here in 1801: > < > http://gda.arkivverket.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=18&filnamn=f18011213&gardpostnr=147&merk=147#ovre > > > > Here is Doris' Hans Andersen in 1865 - He will die in Liverpool during the > family's emigration... > < > http://gda.arkivverket.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=5&filnamn=f61213&gardpostnr=219&merk=219#ovre > > > > > Cliff Lien > Alberta, Canada > cjl@interbaun.com > --------------------------------------------------------------- Kitty Munson Cooper, web developer,programmer, San Diego,CA genetic genealogy blog at http://blog.kittycooper.com/ family history and genealogy at http://kittymunson.com

Well..the father, Fred is living on the farm in Homer township with his mother Carrie. He is married but I don't know where wife Catherine and daughters are. Wife Catherine is in Tacoma, Washington on the 1940 census. She was living with her younger daughter, Dorothy and her son in law. (She was in tacoma in 1935.) I have been able to follow the younger daughter but Lillian is missing. Thanks, carol Sent from my iPad > On Mar 19, 2015, at 11:01 PM, Gregory Holter via <norway@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > Carol, have you found Lillian's parents and the rest of the family in the 1930 US Census? Or is that part of the mystery also? > Greg Holter > > > From: Carol Larson via <norway@rootsweb.com> > To: norway@rootsweb.com > Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2015 7:22 PM > Subject: [NOR] Anderberg family Jamestown, North Dakota > > > > > I have followed their children and grandchildren. I need help with one granddaughter Lillian Anderberg born 1915 in Stutsman county North Dakota. Her parents were Frederick C. Anderberg born 12 Dec 1886 and died 21 Dec 1942, and Catherine Mariner (born about 1899 and death unknown.) Can someone please help me to learn more about daughter Lillian Anderberg. I have found her on a 1925 North Dakota census and then she seems to disappear. >

I have tracked the Christopherson (Thorson, Trogstad pick a name and they have used it!) who left Norway in 1851. I have followed the family from Wisconsin, Minnesota (and over the state line in Iowa), South Dakota and North Dakota. I need some help. Caroline Thorson (born in 1859 in Fillmore County, Minnesota) married Louis Anderberg before 1880 in York, Fillmore county, Minnesota. I have followed their children and grandchildren. I need help with one granddaughter Lillian Anderberg born 1915 in Stutsman county North Dakota. Her parents were Frederick C. Anderberg born 12 Dec 1886 and died 21 Dec 1942, and Catherine Mariner (born about 1899 and death unknown.) Can someone please help me to learn more about daughter Lillian Anderberg. I have found her on a 1925 North Dakota census and then she seems to disappear. Thanks so much, Carol Larson

There was an Ole Ostenson in Franklin, Vernon Co., WI in 1875 but it doesn't give enough information to know if it is your man. https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-266-11540-17212-99?cc=1443778 Annette On 3/19/15, wigglesandwags via <norway@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > > > Sent from my U.S. Cellular® Smartphone > > > -------- Original message -------- > From: "Lars E. Oyane via" <norway@rootsweb.com> > Date:03/19/2015 3:57 AM (GMT-08:00) > To: norway@rootsweb.com > Cc: > Subject: [NOR] Ole Ostenson (Bolstad?) born Luster 1822 - emigrated from > Hadsel 1867 with wife and dau. - what became of them? > > Dear Listers! > > Another big "challenge" has today appeared in Norwegian records: > > Ole Ostenson Bolstad, born in Luster Co., Norway Oct. 6, 1822 > marred in Hadsel Co., Vesteraalen Norway Oct. 12, 1859 to > Bertha Axelia Henriksdotter Tenstrand, born in Hadsel Co., Norway Oct. 13, > 1828 > Ole and Bertha farmed for a while at Lunkefjord and then at Aselven in > Hadsel Co., Borway > > but EMIGRATED in 1867 with one daughter: > > Alette Laurine (Olson?), born in Hadsel Co., Norway Aug. 10, 1861 > > The family shows up on "Norway Heritage" emigrating on "Protector" in 1867: > > 104 Ole Østensen Lonkau?? 44 M countryman* > 105 Berte !! 37 F wife > 106 Alette Olsd.* 5 F daughter > > But then to the big question: > > * What became of this family in the United States? > > Ole had one sister who emigrated: Christi Ostensdotter Bolstad (1832-1924) > married Hans Jensson Skildum (1838-1916). They also emigrated in 1867 and > settled first in Vernon Co., WI, removing 1878 to Moody Co., SD remaining > there the rest of their lives. They went by the last name of JOHNSON in the > US! > > I have looked for Ole in Vernon Co., WI, but don't "spot" him there... > > Any suggestions would be more than welcome! > > Very sincerely yours, > > Lars E. Oyane > > > > > Norwaylist > Archiveshttp://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=norway > > RESUBSCRIBE UNSUB > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/NOR/NORWAY.html > > guidelines http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~norway/guidelines.htm > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NORWAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > Norwaylist > Archiveshttp://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=norway > > RESUBSCRIBE UNSUB > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/NOR/NORWAY.html > > guidelines http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~norway/guidelines.htm > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NORWAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

Sent from my U.S. Cellular® Smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: "Lars E. Oyane via" <norway@rootsweb.com> Date:03/19/2015 3:57 AM (GMT-08:00) To: norway@rootsweb.com Cc: Subject: [NOR] Ole Ostenson (Bolstad?) born Luster 1822 - emigrated from Hadsel 1867 with wife and dau. - what became of them? Dear Listers! Another big "challenge" has today appeared in Norwegian records: Ole Ostenson Bolstad, born in Luster Co., Norway Oct. 6, 1822 marred in Hadsel Co., Vesteraalen Norway Oct. 12, 1859 to Bertha Axelia Henriksdotter Tenstrand, born in Hadsel Co., Norway Oct. 13, 1828 Ole and Bertha farmed for a while at Lunkefjord and then at Aselven in Hadsel Co., Borway but EMIGRATED in 1867 with one daughter: Alette Laurine (Olson?), born in Hadsel Co., Norway Aug. 10, 1861 The family shows up on "Norway Heritage" emigrating on "Protector" in 1867: 104 Ole Østensen Lonkau?? 44 M countryman* 105 Berte !! 37 F wife 106 Alette Olsd.* 5 F daughter But then to the big question: * What became of this family in the United States? Ole had one sister who emigrated: Christi Ostensdotter Bolstad (1832-1924) married Hans Jensson Skildum (1838-1916). They also emigrated in 1867 and settled first in Vernon Co., WI, removing 1878 to Moody Co., SD remaining there the rest of their lives. They went by the last name of JOHNSON in the US! I have looked for Ole in Vernon Co., WI, but don't "spot" him there... Any suggestions would be more than welcome! Very sincerely yours, Lars E. Oyane Norwaylist Archiveshttp://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=norway RESUBSCRIBE UNSUB http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/NOR/NORWAY.html guidelines http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~norway/guidelines.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORWAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dear Listers! Another big "challenge" has today appeared in Norwegian records: Ole Ostenson Bolstad, born in Luster Co., Norway Oct. 6, 1822 marred in Hadsel Co., Vesteraalen Norway Oct. 12, 1859 to Bertha Axelia Henriksdotter Tenstrand, born in Hadsel Co., Norway Oct. 13, 1828 Ole and Bertha farmed for a while at Lunkefjord and then at Aselven in Hadsel Co., Borway but EMIGRATED in 1867 with one daughter: Alette Laurine (Olson?), born in Hadsel Co., Norway Aug. 10, 1861 The family shows up on "Norway Heritage" emigrating on "Protector" in 1867: 104 Ole Østensen Lonkau?? 44 M countryman* 105 Berte !! 37 F wife 106 Alette Olsd.* 5 F daughter But then to the big question: * What became of this family in the United States? Ole had one sister who emigrated: Christi Ostensdotter Bolstad (1832-1924) married Hans Jensson Skildum (1838-1916). They also emigrated in 1867 and settled first in Vernon Co., WI, removing 1878 to Moody Co., SD remaining there the rest of their lives. They went by the last name of JOHNSON in the US! I have looked for Ole in Vernon Co., WI, but don't "spot" him there... Any suggestions would be more than welcome! Very sincerely yours, Lars E. Oyane

Drukning i brønn - he drowned in a well. Tragi ----- Opprinnelig melding ----- Fra: "Cliff M" <norsk4515@comcast.net> norway@rootsweb.com Til:"Norway-List" <norway-l@rootsweb.com> Kopi: Sendt:Wed, 18 Mar 2015 14:06:11 -0700 Emne:[NOR] Translation-Cause of death Hei all, Here I’m again with a Cause of death I can’t decipher.... Died 1897 Page 228 M#40, Child Karl Karlsen Valderhaug, Cause of death is what??? Source information: Møre og Romsdal county, Borgund in Borgund, Parish register copy nr. 528C11 (1884-1899), Death and burial records 1897, page 228. Permanent pagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=15682&idx_id=15682&uid=ny&idx_side=-201 Permanent imagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:NBN:no-a1450-kb20070820630043.jpg Thanks to whoever takes on the task..... Cliff M Norwaylist Archiveshttp://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=norway RESUBSCRIBE UNSUB http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/NOR/NORWAY.html guidelines http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~norway/guidelines.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORWAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------

Drukning i brønd - drowned in a well. Lisbeth ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cliff M via" <norway@rootsweb.com> To: "Norway-List" <norway-l@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2015 10:06 PM Subject: [NOR] Translation-Cause of death > Hei all, > > Here I’m again with a Cause of death I can’t decipher.... > > Died 1897 Page 228 M#40, Child Karl Karlsen Valderhaug, Cause of death is > what??? > > Source information: Møre og Romsdal county, Borgund in Borgund, Parish > register copy nr. 528C11 (1884-1899), Death and burial records 1897, page > 228. > Permanent pagelink: > http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=15682&idx_id=15682&uid=ny&idx_side=-201 > Permanent imagelink: > http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:NBN:no-a1450-kb20070820630043.jpg > > Thanks to whoever takes on the task..... > > Cliff M > Norwaylist > Archiveshttp://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=norway > > RESUBSCRIBE UNSUB > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/NOR/NORWAY.html > > guidelines http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~norway/guidelines.htm > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NORWAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

Doris, Kitty, Cliff, others, Just for grins, in the wee hours of the last two nights, I have been following Kari Mari/Carrie and Peter Peterson Bergeland/Bergland only, and in the USA only. I have them from the 1860 thru 1940 US Censuses, and including some Minnesota State Censuses as well. To be clear, I have not tried to find either emigrating from Norway, or entering the USA. And, though I know Kari/Carrie lived late in life, through 1920, with one of her daughters, and I believe she  died between 1920 and 1930, I have not been able to find a death or burial record for her anywhere. So that is still open to question, as is where, when, and to whom Kari/Carrie first came in the USA, most likely in Winneshiek County, Iowa. Peter Peterson Bergeland/Bergland and his first wife Serena Serie [Sarah] immigrated in 1851, according to the 1900 US Census, with daughter Anna. The 1855 WI Census is of the "head-of-household" variety, and I could not find a combination of Male, Females, and Foreign born, that worked, and the details of the census are so limited, to not be helpful. However, from subsequent other records, it is clear that they were in Wisconsin, and three of their children were born there.    Peter and Sarah are found next in 1860 in the town of LeRoy, Morris, MN. 1870 they are in or near Ossian, Military Twp, Winneshiek Co, IA. Sarah dies and is buried in Ossian, IA, Nov. 18, 1873. Peter and Kari are married in Dover, IA, only about 11 miles from Ossian, IA, 26 Jan 1874. This could be the actual location of Peter's residence/farm in Iowa. This of course raises all kinds of questions about how/when/where they met and knew each other; about what Kari was doing in IA, and what other possible family of hers might have been there at that time. But, clearly Kari Mari left Norway before 1874. I could not find them in any 1875 census. By 1880, Peter and Carrie are living in Westfield, Dodge, MN, with their two daughters. None of Peter's other/previous children are with them, though three were under the age of 12 when their mother died. One can speculate that they were taken in by their older married siblings? By 1900, Peter and Kari have settled in the village of Dawson, Riverside Twp, Lac Qui Parle, MN, where Peter dies and was buried in 1904, and where Carrie stays through the 1905 MN, 1910 US, and 1920 US censuses. At the last, she is living with her daughter Josie and husband, Ole P Ness, and their daughter, Clarise. Ole and Josie have moved to near by Stevens county, to Morris, in Morris Twp., in 1930 and 1940, but Carrie is not with them. I did search for Carrie in those censuses, and in the MN death index, but I did not find her, including not with other of her children. Incidentally, I did not find death data for Ole and Josie either. I suspect that Carrie is likely buried in the same cemetery as Peter, Grace Lutheran Cemetery, in Dawson, MN. The outcome of this work is upward of 20 files which I will send along piecemeal to Doris, and Kitty as well, if you let me know you want them. These folks had large families, so this search of this one branch of the Hanson Fatlands could go on forever! Don Angevine Maine, USA From: Doris Waggoner <waggonerdoris@gmail.com> To: Don Angevine <donangevine@yahoo.com> Sent: Monday, March 16, 2015 11:06 PM Subject: Kari Mari Fatland's descendants Hi, Don, I forgot to say that there are some obvious problems with the family group sheets I sent you earlier.  In at least one case I remember, someone was born after the death of a mother. Life doesn't work that way, usually, though women can die in childbirth and the child can survive.  But in this case, the child was born years after the mother died.  That could be a typo, but without sources, there's no way to tell. Again, thanks,Doris  

Hei all, Here I’m again with a Cause of death I can’t decipher.... Died 1897 Page 228 M#40, Child Karl Karlsen Valderhaug, Cause of death is what??? Source information: Møre og Romsdal county, Borgund in Borgund, Parish register copy nr. 528C11 (1884-1899), Death and burial records 1897, page 228. Permanent pagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=15682&idx_id=15682&uid=ny&idx_side=-201 Permanent imagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:NBN:no-a1450-kb20070820630043.jpg Thanks to whoever takes on the task..... Cliff M

Don, Sorry about the wee hours of the night, though sometimes my best work gets done then, too. Certainly my only interruption then is my cat coming between me and my monitor. Yes, I want all the records you found. Where Kari Mari/Carrie was at various times is very interesting. Since she married Peter in IA in 1874, it's most unlikely her parents and her six youngest siblings came to her in 1875, since they settled in Richland Co, ND. That's not far away, but some of them stayed in that county for decades. There are two other siblings who also emigrated before 1875, or at least are not listed with those who came that year. So far, none of my research on any of the Fatland family has included IA. Clearly, I need to expand it to include that state. Interestingly, the two Ancestry trees I was going by gave different years for Kari's death. One was 1875, the other 1925. It looks like you've conclusively proven she lived past 1920, so 1925 may well be correct. Or it's an estimate in the middle of the decade. As Lars keeps saying, maybe some newspaper work might sort it out! Can one of the A-team give this death a try? We have some of the survivors, and she was probably still in that part of IA. Thank you so much for all your work, Don. By all means send your results to me off list. This family is connected to Kitty's Fatland family and home farm way back in Norway, but has no connection at all with the family of the same name that Steve is tracing, as Cliff has been careful to point out. Doris On Wed, Mar 18, 2015 at 12:42 PM, Don Angevine <donangevine@yahoo.com> wrote: > > Doris, Kitty, Cliff, others, > > Just for grins, in the wee hours of the last two nights, I have been > following Kari Mari/Carrie and Peter Peterson Bergeland/Bergland only, and > in the USA only. I have them from the 1860 thru 1940 US Censuses, and > including some Minnesota State Censuses as well. To be clear, I have not > tried to find either emigrating from Norway, or entering the USA. And, > though I know Kari/Carrie lived late in life, through 1920, with one of her > daughters, and I believe she died between 1920 and 1930, I have not been > able to find a death or burial record for her anywhere. So that is still > open to question, as is where, when, and to whom Kari/Carrie first came in > the USA, most likely in Winneshiek County, Iowa. > > Peter Peterson Bergeland/Bergland and his first wife Serena Serie [Sarah] > immigrated in 1851, according to the 1900 US Census, with daughter Anna. > The 1855 WI Census is of the "head-of-household" variety, and I could not > find a combination of Male, Females, and Foreign born, that worked, and the > details of the census are so limited, to not be helpful. However, from > subsequent other records, it is clear that they were in Wisconsin, and > three of their children were born there. > > Peter and Sarah are found next in 1860 in the town of LeRoy, Morris, MN. > 1870 they are in or near Ossian, Military Twp, Winneshiek Co, IA. > > Sarah dies and is buried in Ossian, IA, Nov. 18, 1873. Peter and Kari are > married in Dover, IA, only about 11 miles from Ossian, IA, 26 Jan 1874. > This could be the actual location of Peter's residence/farm in Iowa. This > of course raises all kinds of questions about how/when/where they met and > knew each other; about what Kari was doing in IA, and what other possible > family of hers might have been there at that time. But, clearly Kari Mari > left Norway before 1874. > > I could not find them in any 1875 census. By 1880, Peter and Carrie are > living in Westfield, Dodge, MN, with their two daughters. None of Peter's > other/previous children are with them, though three were under the age of > 12 when their mother died. One can speculate that they were taken in by > their older married siblings? > > By 1900, Peter and Kari have settled in the village of Dawson, Riverside > Twp, Lac Qui Parle, MN, where Peter dies and was buried in 1904, and where > Carrie stays through the 1905 MN, 1910 US, and 1920 US censuses. At the > last, she is living with her daughter Josie and husband, Ole P Ness, and > their daughter, Clarise. > > Ole and Josie have moved to near by Stevens county, to Morris, in Morris > Twp., in 1930 and 1940, but Carrie is not with them. I did search for > Carrie in those censuses, and in the MN death index, but I did not find > her, including not with other of her children. Incidentally, I did not find > death data for Ole and Josie either. I suspect that Carrie is likely buried > in the same cemetery as Peter, Grace Lutheran Cemetery, in Dawson, MN. > > The outcome of this work is upward of 20 files which I will send along > piecemeal to Doris, and Kitty as well, if you let me know you want them. > These folks had large families, so this search of this one branch of the > Hanson Fatlands could go on forever! > > Don Angevine > Maine, USA > > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Doris Waggoner <waggonerdoris@gmail.com> > *To:* Don Angevine <donangevine@yahoo.com> > *Sent:* Monday, March 16, 2015 11:06 PM > *Subject:* Kari Mari Fatland's descendants > > Hi, Don, > > I forgot to say that there are some obvious problems with the family group > sheets I sent you earlier. In at least one case I remember, someone was > born after the death of a mother. Life doesn't work that way, usually, > though women can die in childbirth and the child can survive. But in this > case, the child was born years after the mother died. That could be a > typo, but without sources, there's no way to tell. > > Again, thanks, > Doris > > > >

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Oh, I forgot about the Elsie Helen Berhow name... Elsie was apparently born in 1880 in Iowa to Mikkel Olsen Berhaug from Berhaug, Holmedal, Skånevik, Hordeland This Steve's Fatlands :-) Cliff Lien Alberta, Canada cjl@interbaun.com -----Original Message----- From: Kitty Cooper via Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2015 2:55 AM > Have you looked at this Rootsweb Tree? > I posted the link back on the 13th. > > > http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=rschrodr01&id=I12532 > > Well documented sources, Berhow and Fatland names explained... > > ​Great find Cliff but I do not see where the names are explained? Nor whether they were really from Fatland farm which is very near Skånevik.

Kitty and others looking at Fatland families... The difficulty here is that there are two Fatland threads running at once. Two different farms, one in Fjelberg, Fjelberg, one in Åkre, Skånevik To add to the confusion, both are in Kvinneherad today after the changes of 1965... Steve's thread initiates with a descendant of Guy Fatland 1918-1946 and Mary Sebesta 1919-1991 Guy is the Gr-Grandson of Ole Ingebrigtsen Fatland 1819-1894 who emigrated from Skånevik way back in 1847. Here in 1801 <http://gda.arkivverket.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=11&filnamn=f18011212&gardpostnr=68&merk=68#ovre> See #64 in this Udflyttede: Source information: Hordaland county, Skånevik, Parish register (official) nr. A 4 (1828-1848), Emigration records 1847, Imigration records 1847, page 337. Permanent pagelink: www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=11666&idx_id=11666&uid=ny&idx_side=-283 And this family from Åkre sogn in old Skånevik is the one mentioned in the Rootweb tree I posted earlier... The farm (there are a few today) is located along the north side of the Åkrafjorden Latitude: 59 45'56.04" Longitude: 6 3'51.34" **** Doris' family (and yours?) are from Fjelberg sogn in the old Fjelberg parish - as mentioned on the Island of Halsnøya Latitude: 59 44'55.06" Longitude: 5 44'43.61" Here in 1801: <http://gda.arkivverket.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=18&filnamn=f18011213&gardpostnr=147&merk=147#ovre> Here is Doris' Hans Andersen in 1865 - He will die in Liverpool during the family's emigration... <http://gda.arkivverket.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=5&filnamn=f61213&gardpostnr=219&merk=219#ovre> Cliff Lien Alberta, Canada cjl@interbaun.com -----Original Message----- From: Kitty Cooper via Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2015 2:55 AM To: NORWAY@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NOR] Fatland farm ​Great find Cliff but I do not see where the names are explained? Nor whether they were really from Fatland farm which is very near Skånevik. I cannot find any of those names in the pages I have scanned for Fatland, Halsnøy <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halsn%C3%B8y> while I can easily find Doris' names But this looks to be referencing the same Fatland farm, on the ​island of Halsnøy <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halsn%C3%B8y>., in Åkra (Åkre), Hordaland, Norway which is Doris' farm and mine too (I plan to visit it in June!) https://familysearch.org/learn/wiki/en/%C3%85kra_%28%C3%85kre%29,_Hordaland,_Norway#Farm_Names google map https://www.google.com/maps/@59.7485029,5.865343,11z?hl=en ​my cousin's translation of the farmbook description of Fatland http://kittymunson.com/index.php?page=fatland-farm-kvinnherad-v ​Kitty

Even if there weren't relatives there, Norwegians felt comfortable moving where there were other Norwegians.  And moving as a group often happened.   From: Doris Waggoner <waggonerdoris@gmail.com> To: Gregory Holter <waxlerfarms@frontier.com> Cc: "norway@rootsweb.com" <norway@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2015 8:40 PM Subject: Re: [NOR] Fw: Fatland Greg, So some of the earlier Fatlands might have moved from IA to ND, and that could have been why the later Fatland immigrants went to ND?  I believe I read that at least one of my Fatlands, who was a child when he arrived in ND in 1875, homesteaded there when he came of age in the 1880s.  That would bear out what you're saying.  Now to try to establish some connection with the IA family who came earlier. . . .  Doris On Tue, Mar 17, 2015 at 7:09 PM, Gregory Holter <waxlerfarms@frontier.com> wrote: Many Norwegians in Iowa moved up to North Dakota in the 1870s, as the new land there opened up for homesteading.  As an example, roughly half of the original homesteaders in the area I came from in North Dakota came up from Iowa together around 1879, my Holter great-grandparents and family among them.  Availability of homestead land was the key. Greg Holter

Many Norwegians in Iowa moved up to North Dakota in the 1870s, as the new land there opened up for homesteading.  As an example, roughly half of the original homesteaders in the area I came from in North Dakota came up from Iowa together around 1879, my Holter great-grandparents and family among them.  Availability of homestead land was the key. Greg Holter From: Doris Waggoner via <norway@rootsweb.com> To: Steve <snatvig@midstatesd.net> Cc: Norway List <norway@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2015 6:38 PM Subject: Re: [NOR] Fw: Fatland It's interesting that Brit emigrated about 1849.  That was a full generation before "my" family emigrated, with the last group leaving in 1875.  Often families went to where previous family members had gone. However, mine went to Richland Co, ND, not IA.