*I was wondering if anyone can help me with my mom's side of the family? This is my mother's grandmother's side of the family.* *Gwen* *Deffke - Weld County, CO* *1940 US Census* Arthur C Deffke, born 1889, Pleasant Valley Arthur C Jr Deffke, born 1928, Pleasant Valley Donald Deffke, born 1918, Eaton Doris Deffke, born 1903, Greeley Elsie B Deffke, born 1895, Pleasant Valley Frank Deffke, born 1888, Greeley Gus Deffke, born 1866, Greeley Guy C Deffke, born 1891, Eaton Guy C Jr Deffke, born 1926, Eaton Helen E Deffke, born 1934, Pleasant Valley Ida B Deffke, born 1890, Pleasant Valley James Deffke, born 1919, Eaton Joan Deffke, born 1924, Eaton Margaret E Deffke, born 1930, Pleasant Valley Mary Deffke, born 1868, Greeley Nellie M Deffke, born 1892, Eaton

Dear Thelma and other Listers! You continue to amaze me, Thelma! Thanks a million for this interesting information you have found regarding H. Vincent Allen! I have this morning sent an e-mail to Hummelstown, PA, but will follow up with a phone call if I don't hear back! His sister Barbara has developed Alzheimer and is unable to communicate. Her husband is the one I talked to some time ago, and he told me what little he knew... By the way, if H. Vincent Allen (Sr) was such a successful business man in Chicago IL, one should think there might be more write-ups about him in Chicago IL newspapers - for example when he died? Thanks again for your excellent assistance! Very sincerely yours, Lars E. Oyane ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ On Mar 27, 2015, at 11:00 PM, Thelma Hartman via wrote: > I believe that this might a son of your Herbert Vincent Allen and a phone > call (or email) might answer your questions > > Allens Memory Lane Inc > 1049 Mount Alem Dr > Hummelstown, PA 17036 > (717) 566-5684 > H Vincent Allen > Owner > http://www.allensmemorylane.com/ > > > check this out > > http://www.leagle.com/decision/197834863IllApp3d285_1308.xml/H.%20VINCENT%20ALLEN%20&%20ASSOC.,%20INC.%20v.%20WEIS > > obituary for a son of Herbert Vincent Allen > > Des Moines Register 14 August 1977 > Howard Allen > Memorial services for Howard Allen, 36, of 1708 Sixty Second St. who died > Saturday at Broadlawn Polk County Hospital of injuries he received in an > automobile accident early Wednesday, will be at 1 pm Monday at Dahlstrom > Funeral Home. The body will be cremated. Born in Chicgo, Ill. Mr Allen was a > graduate of Parsons College at Fairfield. A Des Moines resident for the past > 10 years he was a salesman at Metro Ford. He belonged to the New Pioneer Gun > Club and National Skeet Association. Survivors include his father Vincent of > Chicago, two brothers, H Vincent Allen II of Harrisburg, Pa, and John of Oak > Park, Ill. and a sister Barbara J Allen of San Rafael, Calif. The family > suggests that any memorial contributions be made to the Leukemia Research > Foundation at Rochester, Minn. > > > > Wednesday, March 10, 1971 > Oak Forest Times Herald > > Mr. and Mrs. James J. Bonner, 6550 W. Ravinia Dr., have announced the > engagement of their daughter. Barbara Ann, to John G. Allen, son of Mr. and > Mrs. H. Vincent Allen, Wilmette. Miss Bonner is a graduate of Tinley Park > High School. Her fiancé attended the University of Arizona and is currently > beginning his own business in the art advertising field under the name of H. > Vincent Allen and Associates in Chicago. An outdoor wedding is planned for > May 22, in Palos Hills. > > > ".... > > According to Bernice's son-in-law (from her 1st marriage to Davis) this H. > Vincent was the owner of a large publicity company in Chicago, IL, and he > supposedly died in Chicago, IL in the late 1990's. > > ..."

Dear Greg, Doris, Thelma and other Listers! Thank you very much for your wonderful messages on this Nitter topic! I agree with you, Doris, we are probably talking about a motel, since 1948 would be to early for a trailer court. It is also kind of early for a motel, but still I think that'll do. I remember as a young lad going with my folks to Voss where a man had opened up one of Norway's very first motels in about 1960. He was a carpenter of trade and had spent years in the United States, where, as he said, motel business was the "big thing". He built about 20 motel units himself, and my parents were his very first guests! Now, that wedding announcement which Thelma found, is also wonderful, and I have identified his wife as: Marjory Lou Shanks, born in Portage, WI Feb. 18, 1925. She died under the name of: Marjy L. Anderson in or near Phoenix, AZ on Sep. 8, 2005, and according to ancestry.com, an obituary was published, maybe at Portage, WI as well as in AZ, but I am unable to bring it up on my computer. Can someone please help me? Thanks again so much for your great assistance in this matter! Very sincerely yours, Lars E. Oyane ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ On Mar 27, 2015, at 11:39 PM, Thelma Hartman via wrote: > > Wednesday, January 7, 1948 > Chicago Auburn Parker > > NITTER WEDDING Mr. and Mrs. Lou Nitter, of Nitter’s Apparel Shop, flew out > to Phoenix, Arizona, for the Christmas night wedding of their son, Bob to > Miss Marjorie Shanks, daughter of Mr. and Mrs. A. Shanks of Portage, > Wisconsin. It was a simple wedding > > -----Original Message----- > From: Doris Waggoner via > Sent: Friday, March 27, 2015 8:13 PM > To: Lars E. Oyane ; Norway List > Subject: Re: [NOR] Robert L. Nitter (1915-1977) of Scottsdale and Phoenix, > AZ - newspaper items? > >> >> By 1948 he was married to Marjory L.??, but they were divorced by 1956. >> They had no children.

Wednesday, January 7, 1948 Chicago Auburn Parker NITTER WEDDING Mr. and Mrs. Lou Nitter, of Nitter’s Apparel Shop, flew out to Phoenix, Arizona, for the Christmas night wedding of their son, Bob to Miss Marjorie Shanks, daughter of Mr. and Mrs. A. Shanks of Portage, Wisconsin. It was a simple wedding -----Original Message----- From: Doris Waggoner via Sent: Friday, March 27, 2015 8:13 PM To: Lars E. Oyane ; Norway List Subject: Re: [NOR] Robert L. Nitter (1915-1977) of Scottsdale and Phoenix, AZ - newspaper items? > > By 1948 he was married to Marjory L.??, but they were divorced by 1956. > They had no children.

I believe that this might a son of your Herbert Vincent Allen and a phone call (or email) might answer your questions Allens Memory Lane Inc 1049 Mount Alem Dr Hummelstown, PA 17036 (717) 566-5684 H Vincent Allen Owner http://www.allensmemorylane.com/ check this out http://www.leagle.com/decision/197834863IllApp3d285_1308.xml/H.%20VINCENT%20ALLEN%20&%20ASSOC.,%20INC.%20v.%20WEIS obituary for a son of Herbert Vincent Allen Des Moines Register 14 August 1977 Howard Allen Memorial services for Howard Allen, 36, of 1708 Sixty Second St. who died Saturday at Broadlawn Polk County Hospital of injuries he received in an automobile accident early Wednesday, will be at 1 pm Monday at Dahlstrom Funeral Home. The body will be cremated. Born in Chicgo, Ill. Mr Allen was a graduate of Parsons College at Fairfield. A Des Moines resident for the past 10 years he was a salesman at Metro Ford. He belonged to the New Pioneer Gun Club and National Skeet Association. Survivors include his father Vincent of Chicago, two brothers, H Vincent Allen II of Harrisburg, Pa, and John of Oak Park, Ill. and a sister Barbara J Allen of San Rafael, Calif. The family suggests that any memorial contributions be made to the Leukemia Research Foundation at Rochester, Minn. Wednesday, March 10, 1971 Oak Forest Times Herald Mr. and Mrs. James J. Bonner, 6550 W. Ravinia Dr., have announced the engagement of their daughter. Barbara Ann, to John G. Allen, son of Mr. and Mrs. H. Vincent Allen, Wilmette. Miss Bonner is a graduate of Tinley Park High School. Her fiancé attended the University of Arizona and is currently beginning his own business in the art advertising field under the name of H. Vincent Allen and Associates in Chicago. An outdoor wedding is planned for May 22, in Palos Hills. ".... According to Bernice's son-in-law (from her 1st marriage to Davis) this H. Vincent was the owner of a large publicity company in Chicago, IL, and he supposedly died in Chicago, IL in the late 1990's. ..."

Lars, By "court owner," it probably would not mean he owned a court of law, since that would imply corruption of the court system. I presume you're getting that from a census, and he would not likely admit to that. Since he later owned a gas station and a filling station (same thing), the "court" may well have been a motel. Sometimes these were called a "motor court." Doris On Fri, Mar 27, 2015 at 4:47 PM, Lars E. Oyane via <norway@rootsweb.com> wrote: > Dear Listers, > > Working on a certain Nitter family from the Elvetun farm in Hafslo parish, > Luster Co., Norway, I am having difficulties finding information about this > guy: > > Robert L. Nitter, born in Chicago, IL Aug. 24, 1915, died at Phoenix, AZ > Sep. 8, 1977. > > I understand Robert was a soldier in WW2, and after the war he was for > some time a court owner at Phoenix, AZ. He later owned and operated a > Texaco filling station in Phoenix, AZ, and in the 1960's he had a service > station at Scottsdale, AZ. > > By 1948 he was married to Marjory L.??, but they were divorced by 1956. > They had no children. > > Is it possible to find further details about Robert and Marjory, for > example thru newspaper items? > > Thanks a million in advance for your assistance in this matter! > > Very sincerely yours, > > Lars E. Oyane > > > > > Norwaylist Archiveshttp:// > archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=norway > > RESUBSCRIBE UNSUB > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/NOR/NORWAY.html > > guidelines http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~norway/guidelines.htm > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NORWAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Dear Listers, Robert L. Nitter's sister Bernice M. Nitter (Davis) (1911-1976) was married in Chicago, IL on Jan. 1, 1951 to one: Herbert Vincent, known as H. Vincent or Vincent ALLEN, born about 1919, probably born at Decatur, Macon Co, IL Nov. 21, 1918. According to Bernice's son-in-law (from her 1st marriage to Davis) this H. Vincent was the owner of a large publicity company in Chicago, IL, and he supposedly died in Chicago, IL in the late 1990's. Is it possible, with this rather scarce information, to figure out who this man may have been? Maybe newspaper items can be helpful? Thanks a mission for your great assistance in this matter! Very sincerely yours, Lars E. Oyane

Dear Listers, Working on a certain Nitter family from the Elvetun farm in Hafslo parish, Luster Co., Norway, I am having difficulties finding information about this guy: Robert L. Nitter, born in Chicago, IL Aug. 24, 1915, died at Phoenix, AZ Sep. 8, 1977. I understand Robert was a soldier in WW2, and after the war he was for some time a court owner at Phoenix, AZ. He later owned and operated a Texaco filling station in Phoenix, AZ, and in the 1960's he had a service station at Scottsdale, AZ. By 1948 he was married to Marjory L.??, but they were divorced by 1956. They had no children. Is it possible to find further details about Robert and Marjory, for example thru newspaper items? Thanks a million in advance for your assistance in this matter! Very sincerely yours, Lars E. Oyane

Sorry to say that I disagree. The fact is (in Norway in older times) that the child must be baptized within 8 days. There was no concern for the health of the baby. Imagine they had to take babies to church no matter what the weather was like in the coastal area where they had to go by boat, or at cold winters in the inlands. The main concern was to have the baby baptized. And concerning the women, the bible told they were unclean and should wait about 40 days before they were introduced in church. This meant most women couldn't attend the baptism of their own child. But exceptions were made if the family had a long and tiredsome travel to church. Then the women could be introduced the same day as the child was baptized. Arild Kompelien Den 27.03.2015 04:24, skrev Doris Waggoner via: > Bev, > > Even today, I've heard from women in England, in the High Anglican > tradition, who bemoan that the "churching" ceremony, as it's called there, > has disappeared. They don't think of it as allowing them back into church > after being "unclean" after giving birth, but rather that the time away > from church, and indeed most other social activities, is a time for them to > be alone with the newborn to bond. For them the time away is special, and > so is the celebration of them as new mothers when they return to church.I > think also that centuries ago, women who'd just given birth were very prone > to infections, etc, so they really needed to be protected from germs, etc, > even if the cultures didn't understand germs. They did know that women and > their newborns died at a horrendous rate. Therefore, a time of > sequestration was a good idea for both. When it was over, they were > welcomed and celebrated back into society. Since the center of society was > the church, that's where it happened. Not my thing, but I do sort of see > where they were coming from. > > Doris > > On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 6:31 PM, Bev Anderson via <norway@rootsweb.com> > wrote: > >> Mange tusen takk, Arild, Gwen, Carol, et alia! >> >> Okay, the 'entrance' combined with the 'introduction' sounds like the best >> explanation. In addition to the infant being baptized, the mother was >> introduced at the same time, it seems like, since Ingang is not noted for >> every birth. >> >> [I keep forgetting about that 'Introduction' ceremony, largely because no >> matter how often I read about the alleged 'justification' for it in various >> histories I've read through half a century, or see the notation in these >> records, the custom still makes no sense whatsoever to me.] >> >> Thanks, again! >> Bev >> >> >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Arild Kompelien via <norway@rootsweb.com> >> To: Gwen Butrum <gwenbutrum@gmail.com>; norway@rootsweb.com >> Cc: >> Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2015 6:51 PM >> Subject: Re: [NOR] Lars Olsen, birth/baptism record, Forthun kirke, >> Luster, S&F, Norway >> >> Inngang may mean entrance, but in this context it means introduction >> where the minister led the "inngangskone" from the entrance into the >> church, after her birth. >> >> Arild Kompelien >> Norwaylist Archiveshttp:// >> archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=norway >> >> RESUBSCRIBE UNSUB >> http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/NOR/NORWAY.html >> >> guidelines http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~norway/guidelines.htm >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> NORWAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > Norwaylist Archiveshttp://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=norway > > RESUBSCRIBE UNSUB > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/NOR/NORWAY.html > > guidelines http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~norway/guidelines.htm > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORWAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I have just acquired a set of these Nes i Hallingdal bygdeboks. I’m willing to do lookups, if any are needed. Does anybody know whether there’s a schedule for additional volumes? Gerda Shank

Dear Lars, Your John seemed to be a gad-about. Is it possible he was staying with friends and family and may have over stayed his welcome a few times?:} A baker could probably have had little trouble getting a job. Maybe relatives were bakers? Just a thought. Sincerely, Barbara On 3/27/2015 1:05 PM, Lars E. Oyane via wrote: > Dear Barbara and other Listers! > > Please forgive me if I made a "clumsy" sentence in my latest message. What I wanted to say was the following: > > The John Elverson whom Jerrald found at MacLeod AB in 1911, was in 1900 residing in Chippewa Co., WI. > > The John Elverton whom I am searching, was 1900 living at Hamilton, Ravalli Co., MT. I would love to know where he was in 1911 (or 1910)!!! > > Very sincerely yours, > > Lars E. Oyane > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > On Mar 27, 2015, at 11:50 AM, Barbara Young via wrote: > >> Dear Lars, >> >> Did you type the dates wrong? If he was on Wisconsin in 1900, he might >> have moved to Alberta Canada by 1911. >> >> All the best >> Sincerely, >> Barbara in MA >> >> On 3/27/2015 12:38 PM, Lars E. Oyane via wrote: >>> Dear Jerrald and other Listers! >>> >>> Thank you very much, Jerrald, for your quick reply to my inquiry from yesterday! >>> >>> I also saw that John Elverson who moved to MacLeod, AB, but then I discovered he was married and had several children born before 1900. Finally I also found him living in Chippewa Co., WI in 1900, so he is definitely NOT the one we want... >>> >>> I guess we have to hope for the appearance of a newspaper item about John Elvethun/Elverton...? >>> >>> Very sincerely yours, >>> >>> Lars E. Oyane >>> >>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >>> >>> On Mar 26, 2015, at 6:17 PM, Jerrald Lloyd via wrote: >>> >>>> Name: John Elverson >>>> Birth: date - Norway >>>> Arrival: year >>>> Residence: 1911 - MacLeod, Alberta >>>> >>>> >>>> -------------------------------------------------- >>>> From: "Lars E. Oyane via" <norway@rootsweb.com> >>>> Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2015 3:04 PM >>>> To: <norway@rootsweb.com> >>>> Subject: [NOR] Johannes Torstenson Elvethun aka John T. Elverton >>>> (1861- ) -baker - from Hafslo, Norway to Hamilton, MT - destiny? >>>> >>>>> Dear Listers! >>>>> >>>>> I have another brick wall challenge for you today: >>>>> >>>>> Johannes Torstenson Elvethun >>>>> born in Hafslo parish, Luster Co., Norway July 6, 1861 >>>>> was a baker apprentice in Bergen, but then >>>>> emigrated in 1881 to Stoughton, WI >>>>> was back to visit Norway in 1884 and reemigrated in 1885. >>>>> >>>>> The 1900 census shows John T. Elverton as a single baker, residing at >>>>> Hamilton, Ravalli Co., MT, which is the last I can find of him! >>>>> >>>>> All we know for sure is that he had died prior to 1940! >>>>> >>>>> What became of John? >>>>> >>>>> Did he ever leave Hamilton? >>>>> >>>>> Maybe John Elverton's name figures in newspaper articles from back then? >>>>> >>>>> Thanks a million in advance for any suggestions! >>>>> >>>>> Very sincerely yours, >>>>> >>>>> Lars E. Oyane > Norwaylist Archiveshttp://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=norway > > RESUBSCRIBE UNSUB > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/NOR/NORWAY.html > > guidelines http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~norway/guidelines.htm > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORWAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Dear Lars, Ok:} All the best Sincerely, Barbara On 3/27/2015 1:05 PM, Lars E. Oyane via wrote: > Dear Barbara and other Listers! > > Please forgive me if I made a "clumsy" sentence in my latest message. What I wanted to say was the following: > > The John Elverson whom Jerrald found at MacLeod AB in 1911, was in 1900 residing in Chippewa Co., WI. > > The John Elverton whom I am searching, was 1900 living at Hamilton, Ravalli Co., MT. I would love to know where he was in 1911 (or 1910)!!! > > Very sincerely yours, > > Lars E. Oyane > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > On Mar 27, 2015, at 11:50 AM, Barbara Young via wrote: > >> Dear Lars, >> >> Did you type the dates wrong? If he was on Wisconsin in 1900, he might >> have moved to Alberta Canada by 1911. >> >> All the best >> Sincerely, >> Barbara in MA >> >> On 3/27/2015 12:38 PM, Lars E. Oyane via wrote: >>> Dear Jerrald and other Listers! >>> >>> Thank you very much, Jerrald, for your quick reply to my inquiry from yesterday! >>> >>> I also saw that John Elverson who moved to MacLeod, AB, but then I discovered he was married and had several children born before 1900. Finally I also found him living in Chippewa Co., WI in 1900, so he is definitely NOT the one we want... >>> >>> I guess we have to hope for the appearance of a newspaper item about John Elvethun/Elverton...? >>> >>> Very sincerely yours, >>> >>> Lars E. Oyane >>> >>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >>> >>> On Mar 26, 2015, at 6:17 PM, Jerrald Lloyd via wrote: >>> >>>> Name: John Elverson >>>> Birth: date - Norway >>>> Arrival: year >>>> Residence: 1911 - MacLeod, Alberta >>>> >>>> >>>> -------------------------------------------------- >>>> From: "Lars E. Oyane via" <norway@rootsweb.com> >>>> Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2015 3:04 PM >>>> To: <norway@rootsweb.com> >>>> Subject: [NOR] Johannes Torstenson Elvethun aka John T. Elverton >>>> (1861- ) -baker - from Hafslo, Norway to Hamilton, MT - destiny? >>>> >>>>> Dear Listers! >>>>> >>>>> I have another brick wall challenge for you today: >>>>> >>>>> Johannes Torstenson Elvethun >>>>> born in Hafslo parish, Luster Co., Norway July 6, 1861 >>>>> was a baker apprentice in Bergen, but then >>>>> emigrated in 1881 to Stoughton, WI >>>>> was back to visit Norway in 1884 and reemigrated in 1885. >>>>> >>>>> The 1900 census shows John T. Elverton as a single baker, residing at >>>>> Hamilton, Ravalli Co., MT, which is the last I can find of him! >>>>> >>>>> All we know for sure is that he had died prior to 1940! >>>>> >>>>> What became of John? >>>>> >>>>> Did he ever leave Hamilton? >>>>> >>>>> Maybe John Elverton's name figures in newspaper articles from back then? >>>>> >>>>> Thanks a million in advance for any suggestions! >>>>> >>>>> Very sincerely yours, >>>>> >>>>> Lars E. Oyane > Norwaylist Archiveshttp://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=norway > > RESUBSCRIBE UNSUB > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/NOR/NORWAY.html > > guidelines http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~norway/guidelines.htm > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORWAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Dear Lars, Did you type the dates wrong? If he was on Wisconsin in 1900, he might have moved to Alberta Canada by 1911. All the best Sincerely, Barbara in MA On 3/27/2015 12:38 PM, Lars E. Oyane via wrote: > Dear Jerrald and other Listers! > > Thank you very much, Jerrald, for your quick reply to my inquiry from yesterday! > > I also saw that John Elverson who moved to MacLeod, AB, but then I discovered he was married and had several children born before 1900. Finally I also found him living in Chippewa Co., WI in 1900, so he is definitely NOT the one we want... > > I guess we have to hope for the appearance of a newspaper item about John Elvethun/Elverton...? > > Very sincerely yours, > > Lars E. Oyane > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > On Mar 26, 2015, at 6:17 PM, Jerrald Lloyd via wrote: > >> Name: John Elverson >> Birth: date - Norway >> Arrival: year >> Residence: 1911 - MacLeod, Alberta >> >> >> -------------------------------------------------- >> From: "Lars E. Oyane via" <norway@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2015 3:04 PM >> To: <norway@rootsweb.com> >> Subject: [NOR] Johannes Torstenson Elvethun aka John T. Elverton >> (1861- ) -baker - from Hafslo, Norway to Hamilton, MT - destiny? >> >>> Dear Listers! >>> >>> I have another brick wall challenge for you today: >>> >>> Johannes Torstenson Elvethun >>> born in Hafslo parish, Luster Co., Norway July 6, 1861 >>> was a baker apprentice in Bergen, but then >>> emigrated in 1881 to Stoughton, WI >>> was back to visit Norway in 1884 and reemigrated in 1885. >>> >>> The 1900 census shows John T. Elverton as a single baker, residing at >>> Hamilton, Ravalli Co., MT, which is the last I can find of him! >>> >>> All we know for sure is that he had died prior to 1940! >>> >>> What became of John? >>> >>> Did he ever leave Hamilton? >>> >>> Maybe John Elverton's name figures in newspaper articles from back then? >>> >>> Thanks a million in advance for any suggestions! >>> >>> Very sincerely yours, >>> >>> Lars E. Oyane > Norwaylist Archiveshttp://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=norway > > RESUBSCRIBE UNSUB > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/NOR/NORWAY.html > > guidelines http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~norway/guidelines.htm > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORWAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Dear Barbara and other Listers! Please forgive me if I made a "clumsy" sentence in my latest message. What I wanted to say was the following: The John Elverson whom Jerrald found at MacLeod AB in 1911, was in 1900 residing in Chippewa Co., WI. The John Elverton whom I am searching, was 1900 living at Hamilton, Ravalli Co., MT. I would love to know where he was in 1911 (or 1910)!!! Very sincerely yours, Lars E. Oyane ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ On Mar 27, 2015, at 11:50 AM, Barbara Young via wrote: > Dear Lars, > > Did you type the dates wrong? If he was on Wisconsin in 1900, he might > have moved to Alberta Canada by 1911. > > All the best > Sincerely, > Barbara in MA > > On 3/27/2015 12:38 PM, Lars E. Oyane via wrote: >> Dear Jerrald and other Listers! >> >> Thank you very much, Jerrald, for your quick reply to my inquiry from yesterday! >> >> I also saw that John Elverson who moved to MacLeod, AB, but then I discovered he was married and had several children born before 1900. Finally I also found him living in Chippewa Co., WI in 1900, so he is definitely NOT the one we want... >> >> I guess we have to hope for the appearance of a newspaper item about John Elvethun/Elverton...? >> >> Very sincerely yours, >> >> Lars E. Oyane >> >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> >> On Mar 26, 2015, at 6:17 PM, Jerrald Lloyd via wrote: >> >>> Name: John Elverson >>> Birth: date - Norway >>> Arrival: year >>> Residence: 1911 - MacLeod, Alberta >>> >>> >>> -------------------------------------------------- >>> From: "Lars E. Oyane via" <norway@rootsweb.com> >>> Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2015 3:04 PM >>> To: <norway@rootsweb.com> >>> Subject: [NOR] Johannes Torstenson Elvethun aka John T. Elverton >>> (1861- ) -baker - from Hafslo, Norway to Hamilton, MT - destiny? >>> >>>> Dear Listers! >>>> >>>> I have another brick wall challenge for you today: >>>> >>>> Johannes Torstenson Elvethun >>>> born in Hafslo parish, Luster Co., Norway July 6, 1861 >>>> was a baker apprentice in Bergen, but then >>>> emigrated in 1881 to Stoughton, WI >>>> was back to visit Norway in 1884 and reemigrated in 1885. >>>> >>>> The 1900 census shows John T. Elverton as a single baker, residing at >>>> Hamilton, Ravalli Co., MT, which is the last I can find of him! >>>> >>>> All we know for sure is that he had died prior to 1940! >>>> >>>> What became of John? >>>> >>>> Did he ever leave Hamilton? >>>> >>>> Maybe John Elverton's name figures in newspaper articles from back then? >>>> >>>> Thanks a million in advance for any suggestions! >>>> >>>> Very sincerely yours, >>>> >>>> Lars E. Oyane

Dear Jerrald and other Listers! Thank you very much, Jerrald, for your quick reply to my inquiry from yesterday! I also saw that John Elverson who moved to MacLeod, AB, but then I discovered he was married and had several children born before 1900. Finally I also found him living in Chippewa Co., WI in 1900, so he is definitely NOT the one we want... I guess we have to hope for the appearance of a newspaper item about John Elvethun/Elverton...? Very sincerely yours, Lars E. Oyane ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ On Mar 26, 2015, at 6:17 PM, Jerrald Lloyd via wrote: > Name: John Elverson > Birth: date - Norway > Arrival: year > Residence: 1911 - MacLeod, Alberta > > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Lars E. Oyane via" <norway@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2015 3:04 PM > To: <norway@rootsweb.com> > Subject: [NOR] Johannes Torstenson Elvethun aka John T. Elverton > (1861- ) -baker - from Hafslo, Norway to Hamilton, MT - destiny? > >> Dear Listers! >> >> I have another brick wall challenge for you today: >> >> Johannes Torstenson Elvethun >> born in Hafslo parish, Luster Co., Norway July 6, 1861 >> was a baker apprentice in Bergen, but then >> emigrated in 1881 to Stoughton, WI >> was back to visit Norway in 1884 and reemigrated in 1885. >> >> The 1900 census shows John T. Elverton as a single baker, residing at >> Hamilton, Ravalli Co., MT, which is the last I can find of him! >> >> All we know for sure is that he had died prior to 1940! >> >> What became of John? >> >> Did he ever leave Hamilton? >> >> Maybe John Elverton's name figures in newspaper articles from back then? >> >> Thanks a million in advance for any suggestions! >> >> Very sincerely yours, >> >> Lars E. Oyane

:-) Tusen Takk, Lars! Yes, this helps a lot! Ole was only a young man when he fathered the three illegitimate children..., so he was a very "busy" young man. ;-) This is when I think of the old George Bernard Shaw quote: "If you can't get rid of the skeleton in your closet, you'd best teach it to dance." I think most of us have one or two ancestors who fit that description. ;-) Thanks again, Lars! Beste, Bev ________________________________ From: Lars E. Oyane <lars.e.oyane@sdsl.no> To: norway@rootsweb.com Cc: Bev Anderson <bevgand@yahoo.com> Sent: Friday, March 27, 2015 5:54 AM Subject: Re: [NOR] Kristina Olsdatter, born 3 April 1854, Skagen, Luster Prestegjeld, Sogn og Fjordane Dear Bev! The missing words would be "løsk." (here meaning without permanent address!) and "med forskjellige", i.e. his three illegitimacies were with three different women! Hope this helps! Very sincerely yours, Lars E. Oyane ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

This is another family member from the one I inquired about a day or two ago. Ole and Marthe had this daughter before they got married. I realize it's the third illegitimate child he's fathered and her first illegitimate child, but I need someone to fill in the blanks for words I've missed with a transcription and a translation. Also, what do the two ending notes on the far right say? Born 3 April 1854, baptized 9 April 1854, Kristina [Olsdatter], illegitimate birth; Parents are Ungkarl Ole Pedersen Berge, __, 23 years old, 3rd Leiermaal __ __ __ __, Pige Marthe Larsatter, Skagen, hmddatter, 26 years old, 1st Leiermaal. Digitalarkivet Birth/Baptism Record Source information: Sogn og Fjordane county, Luster, Parish register (official) nr. A 7 (1849-1859), Birth and baptism records 1854, page 48. Permanent pagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=8401&idx_id=8401&uid=ny&idx_side=-52 By the time Kristina/Christine is confirmed in 1869, she's living at Holmestad, her parents are married and living at Skagen (again; they were at Soldalen in the 1865 census), and her place of birth is listed as Skagen, which is where her mother was living when she was born. Several family members who emigrated, including Ole & Marthe, are on my radar as a twig off of a branch of my family. Someone inquired of a familiar name on another list that I knew was connected, and after I discovered the family was from Luster and she's from a different branch of the same family, I contacted Lars Oyane, and once he's done with the current volume he's writing, he will be working on an edited update on this family (and others) from one of his earlier volumes, and whatever info is found I will be sharing with a descendant of Ole and Marthe and also with Lars. Mange tusen takk in advance for your help! :-) Beste hilsen, Bev

Dear Bev! The missing words would be "løsk." (here meaning without permanent address!) and "med forskjellige", i.e. his three illegitimacies were with three different women! Hope this helps! Very sincerely yours, Lars E. Oyane ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ On Mar 27, 2015, at 4:48 AM, Bev Anderson via wrote: > This is another family member from the one I inquired about a day or two ago. Ole and Marthe had this daughter before they got married. I realize it's the third illegitimate child he's fathered and her first illegitimate child, but I need someone to fill in the blanks for words I've missed with a transcription and a translation. Also, what do the two ending notes on the far right say? > > Born 3 April 1854, baptized 9 April 1854, Kristina [Olsdatter], illegitimate birth; Parents are Ungkarl Ole Pedersen Berge, __, 23 years old, 3rd Leiermaal __ __ __ __, Pige Marthe Larsatter, Skagen, hmddatter, 26 years old, 1st Leiermaal. > > Digitalarkivet Birth/Baptism Record > Source information: Sogn og Fjordane county, Luster, Parish register (official) nr. A 7 (1849-1859), Birth and baptism records 1854, page 48. > Permanent pagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=8401&idx_id=8401&uid=ny&idx_side=-52 > > By the time Kristina/Christine is confirmed in 1869, she's living at Holmestad, her parents are married and living at Skagen (again; they were at Soldalen in the 1865 census), and her place of birth is listed as Skagen, which is where her mother was living when she was born. > > Several family members who emigrated, including Ole & Marthe, are on my radar as a twig off of a branch of my family. Someone inquired of a familiar name on another list that I knew was connected, and after I discovered the family was from Luster and she's from a different branch of the same family, I contacted Lars Oyane, and once he's done with the current volume he's writing, he will be working on an edited update on this family (and others) from one of his earlier volumes, and whatever info is found I will be sharing with a descendant of Ole and Marthe and also with Lars. > > Mange tusen takk in advance for your help! :-) > > > Beste hilsen, > Bev

I believe this custom was straight out of the bible. It says somewhere that the mother would be unclean for whatever and specified for a male or a female baby. I could look it up if anyone is interested. It was while Moses was being given the rules for the Hebrews when they escaped from Egypt. Leslie Quist > Bev, > > Even today, I've heard from women in England, in the High Anglican > tradition, who bemoan that the "churching" ceremony, as it's called there, > has disappeared. They don't think of it as allowing them back into church > after being "unclean" after giving birth, but rather that the time away > from church, and indeed most other social activities, is a time for them > to > be alone with the newborn to bond. For them the time away is special, and > so is the celebration of them as new mothers when they return to church.I > think also that centuries ago, women who'd just given birth were very > prone > to infections, etc, so they really needed to be protected from germs, etc, > even if the cultures didn't understand germs. They did know that women > and > their newborns died at a horrendous rate. Therefore, a time of > sequestration was a good idea for both. When it was over, they were > welcomed and celebrated back into society. Since the center of society > was > the church, that's where it happened. Not my thing, but I do sort of see > where they were coming from. > > Doris

Mange tusen takk, Arild, Gwen, Carol, et alia! Okay, the 'entrance' combined with the 'introduction' sounds like the best explanation. In addition to the infant being baptized, the mother was introduced at the same time, it seems like, since Ingang is not noted for every birth. [I keep forgetting about that 'Introduction' ceremony, largely because no matter how often I read about the alleged 'justification' for it in various histories I've read through half a century, or see the notation in these records, the custom still makes no sense whatsoever to me.] Thanks, again! Bev ----- Original Message ----- From: Arild Kompelien via <norway@rootsweb.com> To: Gwen Butrum <gwenbutrum@gmail.com>; norway@rootsweb.com Cc: Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2015 6:51 PM Subject: Re: [NOR] Lars Olsen, birth/baptism record, Forthun kirke, Luster, S&F, Norway Inngang may mean entrance, but in this context it means introduction where the minister led the "inngangskone" from the entrance into the church, after her birth. Arild Kompelien