Hi Lars, I don’t remember, but do you have this? WORLD WAR I CASUALTIES OF AMERICAN ARMY OVERSEAS REPORTED ON NOV 25, 1918 DIED OF DISEASE Privates Ole Urnes, New Hampton, Ia. http://tinyurl.com/l32ny8k -Mark > On Apr 25, 2015, at 5:57 AM, Lars E. Oyane via <norway@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > Dear Listers! > > This morning I would very much like to resend a few past inquiries about individuals that may have been forgotten, and which I am VERY interested in trying to fill in missing details about before going to press. This is one of them, and I wish to thank you all very very much for every little bit and piece of information that can be found, perhaps basically thru newspaper notices(?). > > Very sincerely yours, > > Lars E. Oyane > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > Begin forwarded message: > >> From: "Lars E. Oyane via" <norway@rootsweb.com> >> Date: March 2, 2015 6:17:55 PM EST >> To: norway@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [NOR] Ole Erickson (Urnes), born Norway 1897 - killed in WW1 - date and place? >> Reply-To: "Lars E. Oyane" <lars.e.oyane@sdsl.no>, norway@rootsweb.com >> >> Dear Greg, Cliff and other Listers! >> >> Thank you very much for your latest comments on Ole Erickson Urnes! His destiny remains a big "mystery", and I really don't know where else to turn... >> >> Could he somehow have lied about his name or birth? My grandmother's only brother enlisted as a soldier in WW1, but when he was drafted to leave for the war, he had "disappeared". "No such person"! The family knew nothing about him until he showed up 30 years later...! >> >> Very sincerely yours, >> >> Lars E. Oyane >> >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> >> On Mar 2, 2015, at 9:00 AM, Cliff Lien via wrote: >> >>> But we cannot find an Ole Erickson, Eriksen etc. or Urnes/Urness/Arness or >>> Lindestegen variations born 13 May 1897. >>> He left Bergen 11 Jun 1914 and Ellis Island record (Ole E Urnes) says he is >>> going to his Brother Jens Ericksen >>> And Jens is in ????burg Minnesota ? >>> >>> Jens Urness was in Fargo, ND when he joined up in June 1917. >>> >>> Tricky one... >>> >>> Cliff Lien >>> Alberta, Canada >>> cjl@interbaun.com >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Gregory Holter via >>> Sent: Sunday, March 01, 2015 10:02 AM >>> To: Lars E. Oyane ; norway@rootsweb.com >>> Subject: Re: [NOR] Ole Erickson (Urnes), born Norway 1897 - killed in WW1 - >>> date and place? >>> >>> A number of soldiers died from the influenza epidemic in 1918, both in >>> Europe and in America. Perhaps Ole Erickson/Urnes was one of those? >>> >>> Greg Holter >>> > > Norwaylist Archiveshttp://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=norway > > RESUBSCRIBE UNSUB > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/NOR/NORWAY.html > > guidelines http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~norway/guidelines.htm > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORWAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dear Listers! This morning I would very much like to resend a few past inquiries about individuals that may have been forgotten, and which I am VERY interested in trying to fill in missing details about before going to press. This is one of them, and I wish to thank you all very very much for every little bit and piece of information that can be found, perhaps basically thru newspaper notices(?). Very sincerely yours, Lars E. Oyane ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Begin forwarded message: > From: "Lars E. Oyane via" <norway@rootsweb.com> > Date: January 31, 2015 7:04:50 PM EST > To: norway@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [NOR] Gjertrud Fredrikke Olness Lind Landgren (1867-1955) of Goodhue and Pipestone Cos., MN - where was Gertrude between 1885 and 1900 > Reply-To: "Lars E. Oyane" <lars.e.oyane@sdsl.no>, norway@rootsweb.com > > Dear Mark and other Listers! > > Thank you very much, Mark, for your latest comment, and for sending me that newspaper website. > > I have studied the website, but I apparently do something wrong... I have tried various search options, but only get "error" messages... Strange... > > I realize that finding more facts on Gertrude Olness and her first travelling salesman husband named Lind is indeed a "tough" challenge, but I keep hoping... > > Thanks again a million for your great assistance! > > Very sincerely yours, > > Lars E. Oyane > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > On Jan 29, 2015, at 9:31 AM, Mark Erickson via wrote: > >> I haven't had any luck finding anything yet, but this site might help. Not >> sure if anyone has posted it before, but the Minnesota Historical Society >> has a beta site up called "Minnesota Digital Newspaper Hub". >> >> At the bottom of the page is an option to translate your findings into >> Norwegian. >> >> >> http://tinyurl.com/qbt25c5 >> >> On Wed, Jan 28, 2015 at 10:27 AM, Lars E. Oyane via <norway@rootsweb.com> >> wrote: >> >>> Dear Annette and other Listers! >>> >>> I have today discovered an interesting fact regarding the two sisters >>> Gjertrud and Anna Olness who travelled back and forth to England/Scotland >>> in the summer of 1895. They indeed made the trip all the way to NORWAY, as >>> they show up as reemigrating over Bergen on Aug. 20, 1895: >>> >>> 36417 Bergen 817 1895 Aug. 30 Gjertrud >>> Tronsdatter Ølnæs f g Handelsreisendes Enke 1867 28 >>> Sogndal Sogndal Bosat i Amerika Allan >>> 36418 Bergen 818 1895 Aug. 30 Anna Trondsdatter >>> Ølnæs f ug Tjenestepige 1869 26 Sogndal Sogndal >>> Bosat i Amerika Allan >>> >>> Both are using their maiden names Olness, but interestingly enough >>> Gjertrud is said to be the WIDOW of a TRAVELLING SALESMAN, while Anna shows >>> up as an unmarried servant! >>> >>> By the way, I checked out my notes on Anna and her 1st husband William >>> Osher, and it appears that they "moved together" in 1894, as that's the >>> year that William and his 1st wife were separated. At that time I believe >>> they all lived in Minneapolis, MN! >>> >>> As I have already mentioned, the Minneapolis, MN city directories from the >>> late 1880's thru 1898 include one Gertrude Lind, the widow of Lewis Lind, >>> but she died in 1898, 50 years old. In ONE of these city directyories we >>> find TWO Gertrude Linds, namely i 1895! The 2nd one is: >>> >>> LIND, Gertrude, dom 415 15th Av SE. >>> >>> However, there is no mention of widow, so maybe this is a different >>> Gertrude? I find NO travelling salesmen among the Linds in Minneapolis, MN >>> betwen 1890 and 1895, and there are no Olness either. A couple of Oshers, >>> but no William... >>> >>> So, is it possible to identify "Mr." Lind after all of this information? >>> Maybe someone with a newspaper database subscription can find something >>> googling Lind and travelling salesman? >>> >>> Thanks again for your great assistance in this matter! >>> >>> Very sincerely yours, >>> >>> Lars E. Oyane >>> >>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >>>

Dear Listers! This morning I would very much like to resend a few past inquiries about individuals that may have been forgotten, and which I am VERY interested in trying to fill in missing details about before going to press. This is one of them, and I wish to thank you all very very much for every little bit and piece of information that can be found, perhaps basically thru newspaper notices(?). Very sincerely yours, Lars E. Oyane ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Begin forwarded message: > From: "Lars E. Oyane via" <norway@rootsweb.com> > Date: April 13, 2015 4:24:14 PM EST > To: norway@rootsweb.com > Subject: [NOR] 3rd attempt: Mathilda Bjornthun Webber (1874-1927) - 4th marriage to John William Anderson WA/OR about 1919 and his destiny? > Reply-To: "Lars E. Oyane" <lars.e.oyane@sdsl.no>, norway@rootsweb.com > > Dear Listers! > > This topic was last discussed about a month ago, and it ended by our co-lister Doris saying Mar. 14 the following: > > "Do you still need the marriage of John and Matilda, in the fall of 1919? If it was in OR or Seattle, and the paperwork still exists, I should be able to find it for you." > > However. Doris has gotten so involved with preparing her mother's 100th birthday (congratulations Doris for your mother!), and she just doesn't have the time to look for this record for me. Here is some of what Doris wrote me today: > > "So, I don't think I can be any more help in tracking down this marriage record for you. I know there are a couple of listers in WA, so perhaps if you repost to the list, they will be better than I have been at helping you out", > > which is what I do by the current message! > > To summarize the problem: > > ~~~~~ > > Mathilda/Matilda Christianson Bjornthun Webber, born in Hof County, Hedmark fylke, Norway Nov. 23, 1874, died in Seattle, WA May 31, 1927 and is buried in a single grave at Forest Lawn cemetery in Seattle, WA. She married her 3rd husband Emery Ellsworth Webber at Vancouver, WA on Sep. 29, 1913. According to a newspaper clipping sent by co-lister Mark she officially divorced Mr. Webber in April of 1919. > > However, the 1917 Portland city directory shows these entries: > > * J. Wm. Anderson (Matilda), printer, res. 1917 on 308 Jackson > > * Emery Webber (Matilda), chimney sweep., res. 690 1/2 E Morrison > > so there is apparently kind of a "time lag" in the city directory? Matilda was at this time still "formally" married to Elmer Webber, while in "reality" she was apparently already in 1917 "living with" John William Anderson! > > In the WW1 draft records from 1918 Elmer Ellsworth Webber (born Oct. 4, 1875) is clearly alone, since his "nearest relative" was his mother, while John William Anderson (born Aug. 4, 1877)'s "nearest relative" was his wife Matilda? > > My BIG PROBLEM: When and where did John William Anderson marry Mat(h)ilda Christianson Bjornthun Webber? Maybe Seattle, WA is the most likely place considering the following facts: > > The WW1 draft record for John William Anderson shows he and Mat(h)ilda moved to 2957 Charles Street No., Seattle, WA shortly after the draft record was written, and we find him and Mat(h)ilda in Seattle, WA city directories as follows: > > * 1920: John W. Anderson (Matilda), salesman, res. B3716 Angeline > > * 1922: John W. Anderson (Matilda), salesman Tent & Awning Co., res. 3716 Angeline > > * 1924: J Wm Anderson (Matilda), res. 4017 23rd Ave SW > > * 1925: John W. Anderson (Mathilda), laborer, res. 4017 23rd Ave SW > > * 1926: Wm Anderson (Matilda), foreman ST&A Co, res. 4015(!) 23rd Ave SW > > * 1927: John W Anderson (Mathilda), salesman, res. 4017 23rd Ave SW > > Then John married Lucette, and they are together for one year: > > * 1928: John W Anderson (Lucette), salesman ST&A Co, res. 713 28th Ave > > Lucette remained on the same address, while John moved out. Perhaps these entries are for him: > > * 1929: J W Anderson, res. 2320 41st Ave SW > > * 1930: J W Anderson, laborer, res. Hazel, WA > > My 2ND PROBLEM: I have always wondered what became of John William Anderson! Any suggestions? > > ~~~~~ > > Thank you once again, dear NORWAY listers, for any assistance you can give me in order to find the answers to my last questions about this family! > > Very sincerely yours, > > Lars E. Oyane >

Dear Listers! This morning I would very much like to resend a few past inquiries about individuals that may have been forgotten, and which I am VERY interested in trying to fill in missing details about before going to press. This is one of them, and I wish to thank you all very very much for every little bit and piece of information that can be found, perhaps basically thru newspaper notices(?). Very sincerely yours, Lars E. Oyane ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Begin forwarded message: > From: "Lars E. Oyane via" <norway@rootsweb.com> > Date: February 22, 2015 6:23:01 PM EST > To: norway@rootsweb.com > Subject: [NOR] 2nd attempt: Obituary assistance from Albany, Linn Co., OR > Reply-To: "Lars E. Oyane" <lars.e.oyane@sdsl.no>, norway@rootsweb.com > > Dear Listers, > > This inquiry was first sent to the list about four years ago, but I never heard back from anyone about them, so I make another effort: > > * Syvert Olson Melheim, a resident of Albany, Linn Co., OR, died in Polk Co., OR Dec. 26, 1975. > > * Gladys Irene Nelson (nee Melheim), a resident of Albany, Linn Co., OR, died in Marion Co., OR Apr. 27, 2003. > > Thanks a million in advance for your great assistance in this matter! > > Very sincerely yours, > > Lars E. Oyane >

Dear Listers! This morning I would very much like to resend a few past inquiries about individuals that may have been forgotten, and which I am VERY interested in trying to fill in missing details about before going to press. This is one of them, and I wish to thank you all very very much for every little bit and piece of information that can be found, perhaps basically thru newspaper notices(?). Very sincerely yours, Lars E. Oyane ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Begin forwarded message: > From: "Lars E. Oyane via" <norway@rootsweb.com> > Date: March 2, 2015 6:17:55 PM EST > To: norway@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [NOR] Ole Erickson (Urnes), born Norway 1897 - killed in WW1 - date and place? > Reply-To: "Lars E. Oyane" <lars.e.oyane@sdsl.no>, norway@rootsweb.com > > Dear Greg, Cliff and other Listers! > > Thank you very much for your latest comments on Ole Erickson Urnes! His destiny remains a big "mystery", and I really don't know where else to turn... > > Could he somehow have lied about his name or birth? My grandmother's only brother enlisted as a soldier in WW1, but when he was drafted to leave for the war, he had "disappeared". "No such person"! The family knew nothing about him until he showed up 30 years later...! > > Very sincerely yours, > > Lars E. Oyane > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > On Mar 2, 2015, at 9:00 AM, Cliff Lien via wrote: > >> But we cannot find an Ole Erickson, Eriksen etc. or Urnes/Urness/Arness or >> Lindestegen variations born 13 May 1897. >> He left Bergen 11 Jun 1914 and Ellis Island record (Ole E Urnes) says he is >> going to his Brother Jens Ericksen >> And Jens is in ????burg Minnesota ? >> >> Jens Urness was in Fargo, ND when he joined up in June 1917. >> >> Tricky one... >> >> Cliff Lien >> Alberta, Canada >> cjl@interbaun.com >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Gregory Holter via >> Sent: Sunday, March 01, 2015 10:02 AM >> To: Lars E. Oyane ; norway@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [NOR] Ole Erickson (Urnes), born Norway 1897 - killed in WW1 - >> date and place? >> >> A number of soldiers died from the influenza epidemic in 1918, both in >> Europe and in America. Perhaps Ole Erickson/Urnes was one of those? >> >> Greg Holter >>

Dear Listers! This morning I would very much like to resend a few past inquiries about individuals that may have been forgotten, and which I am VERY interested in trying to fill in missing details about before going to press. This is one of them, and I wish to thank you all very very much for every little bit and piece of information that can be found, perhaps basically thru newspaper notices(?). Very sincerely yours, Lars E. Oyane ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Begin forwarded message: > From: "Lars E. Oyane via" <norway@rootsweb.com> > Date: March 14, 2015 7:53:40 PM EST > To: norway@rootsweb.com > Subject: [NOR] Gullick "George" Lenvig (1866-1903) - died in Oregon, but where was he in 1900 and what was his occupation? > Reply-To: "Lars E. Oyane" <lars.e.oyane@sdsl.no>, norway@rootsweb.com > > Dear Listers, > > I am facing another problem which I hope that someone can help me solve: > > Gullick aka George J. Lenvig, son of 1847 emigrant John P. Lenvig from Hafslo parish, Luster Co., Norway, was born at Rushford, Fillmore Co., MN May 22, 1866. > > In the 1870, 1880 and 1885 censuses he is found residing at home with his father in Rushford, MN, but an online family tree as well as find-a-grave shows that he died at Eugene, Lane Co., OR on Apr. 13, 1903. There is even a short obituary on the find-a-grave site! > > BUT, can someone please help me with following: > > * Where was George at the time of the 1900 census? > > * And what did George do for a living? > > Maybe newspaper clippings other than the find-a-grave obituary can be found for him? > > Thank you very much in advance for any assistance you can give me in this matter! > > Very sincerely yours, > > Lars E. Oyane > > > > > Norwaylist Archiveshttp://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=norway > > RESUBSCRIBE UNSUB > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/NOR/NORWAY.html > > guidelines http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~norway/guidelines.htm > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORWAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dear Listers! This morning I would very much like to resend a few past inquiries about individuals that may have been forgotten, and which I am VERY interested in trying to fill in missing details about before going to press. This is one of them, and I wish to thank you all very very much for every little bit and piece of information that can be found, perhaps basically thru newspaper notices(?). Very sincerely yours, Lars E. Oyane ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Begin forwarded message: > From: "Lars E. Oyane via" <norway@rootsweb.com> > Date: March 15, 2015 7:16:27 AM EST > To: norway@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [NOR] Otto Bolstad's marriages 1926 and 1950? > Reply-To: "Lars E. Oyane" <lars.e.oyane@sdsl.no>, norway@rootsweb.com > > Dear Jerrald, Annette and other Listers! > > Thank you very much for your messages in regard to Otto Bolstad! I have been in contact with a couple of family members, so some of this information is known to me, while many details are still missing. And those requested marriages are among the latter category. The family was apparently quite "international"... A brother of Otto's was for many years a resident of Madagascar! > > If Otto's 2nd marriage to Cecile occurred in Alaska, I can understand we have difficulties finding it, since Alaska records appear to be rather "sketchy", but even marriage records from WA are not always included in the otherwise so excellent records from the Washington State Archives! > > Even more surprising is it though that Otto's 1st marriage to Minnie Cook shall be so difficult to find. FamilySearch appear to have a large collection of vital records from Illinois, but still it's so hard...! > > Thanks again for your efforts in this matter! I would think these marriages must have been announced somewhere, in some newspaper? > > Very sincerely yours, > > Lars E. Oyane > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > On Mar 14, 2015, at 10:51 PM, Annette Bowen via wrote: > >> Lars, >> I found a brief obit for his first wife, Minnie, in 1945, and a longer obit >> for their son David, who died in a plane crash in North Africa in 1953. >> Neither gave any clue as to the marriage location. there was an Otto >> Bolstad in Grand Forks, ND, a teacher, but your Otto would not have been >> old enough to be that man. >> >> Minnie died 22 Dec., was the wife of Otto D. Bolstad, mother of Daniel, >> David, Ralph, Helen, Jean, Doris, Lois and Joan, daughter of William H. >> Cook. She was a member of Central Lutheran Church and was buried at >> Lincoln memorial Park. >> (Oregonian, Portland, Dec. 25, 1945) >> >> David was born in Chicago October 30, 1930, attended school at Sequim, >> Wash., and Benson High School in Portland, Oregon. His survivors were his >> widow, Nina D. Bolstad, Rossier City, La. (this should be Bossier City), >> who was expecting their second child in May, one son David W. Bolstad, Jr., >> 3, father and step-mother Mr. and Mrs. Otto D. Bolstad, Mountain View, >> Alaska; five sisters, Helen Campbell, Chicago; Lois Olson, Lowell, Wash.; >> Joan Bolstad, Mountain View, Alaska, and Jean Anson and Doris Liebe, >> Hermiston; two brothers, Airman 1/C Daniel Bolstad, Tripoli, and Ralph >> Bolstad, Everett, and grandparents, mr. and Mrs. H. D. Bolstad, Everett. He >> was buried in Willamette National Cemetery.(Portland Oregonian, Feb. 25, >> 1953) >> >> Annette >> >> >> On Sat, Mar 14, 2015 at 8:06 PM, Lars E. Oyane via <norway@rootsweb.com> >> wrote: >> >>> Dear Listers! >>> >>> Again I am hoping for newspaper articles to help me out finding answers to >>> these questions, and since no answers have reached me this last week, I >>> decided I would relaunch the questions. >>> >>> Thanks a million for your wonderful assistance! >>> >>> Very sincerely yours, >>> >>> Lars E. Oyane >>> >>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >>> >>> On Mar 6, 2015, at 6:15 AM, Lars E. Oyane via wrote: >>> >>>> Dear Listers! >>>> >>>> I have for quite some time tried to find the PLACES of these two >>> marriages, but so far to no avail: >>>> >>>> Otto Daniel BOLSTAD, born in Pope Co., MN Jne 21, 1901, died at Chelan, >>> WA Feb. 20, 1989 >>>> >>>> He was married 1st time June 10, 1926 - presumably in or near Evanston, >>> IL - to >>>> >>>> Minnie Blanche COOK, born at Toronto, ON Sep. 16, 1902, died in >>> Portland, OR Dec. 22, 1945 >>>> >>>> He was married 2nd time Nov. 11, 1950 - presumably in Sequim, WA or in >>> Anchorage, AK - to >>>> >>>> Cecile Pearl REINKE, nee BLANCHARD, born in Waushara Co., WI June 23, >>> 1894, died in Spokane, WA Sep. 10, 1966 >>>> >>>> He also married a 3rd time at Coeur d'Alene, ID Oct. 13, 1969, but that >>> marriage has been taken care of before... >>>> >>>> I am rather "stumped" with the fact that I cannot find these marriages >>> anywhere, so now I ask you, dear Listers, whether you can help me? Maybe >>> newspaper announcements can be found? >>>> >>>> Thanks a million in advance for your great assistance in this matter! >>>> >>>> Very sincerely yours, >>>> >>>> Lars E. Oyane > > Norwaylist Archiveshttp://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=norway > > RESUBSCRIBE UNSUB > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/NOR/NORWAY.html > > guidelines http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~norway/guidelines.htm > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORWAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dear Listers! This morning I would very much like to resend a few past inquiries about individuals that may have been forgotten, and which I am VERY interested in trying to fill in missing details about before going to press. This is one of them, and I wish to thank you all very very much for every little bit and piece of information that can be found, perhaps basically thru newspaper notices(?). Very sincerely yours, Lars E. Oyane ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Begin forwarded message: > From: "Lars E. Oyane via" <norway@rootsweb.com> > Date: March 15, 2015 6:36:44 AM EST > To: norway@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [NOR] Cowboy Nels Kins and wife Alma - Idaho - Oregon - Oklahoma -a real challenge > Reply-To: "Lars E. Oyane" <lars.e.oyane@sdsl.no>, norway@rootsweb.com > > Dear Doris and other Listers! > > Thank you very much, Doris, for your "reminding" message, which I appreciate very much. Then, please let me apologize for not including the "original" information I have on this couple and which had been "cut off" from my latest message from yesterday: > > ~~~~~ > > Nels N. KINS > born Aug. 17, 1880 in Buffalo Co., WI > died Jan. 26, 1970 at Miami, Ottawa Co., OK > > Nels and his younger brother Albert (1882-1965) left the home farm in Buffalo Co., WI shortly after 1900 to work as cowboys for a wealthy rancher in Idaho [SHOULD BE ADAMS Co., WA] named Samuel Dyer. Albert later moved on to California, but Nels fell in love with Samuel Dyer's daughter: > > Alma V. DYER > born Oct. 17, 1866 in Idaho Co., ID > died May 5, 1949 at Hood River, OR > > They were (of course) NOT given the permission to marry, so they "ran off", presumably to Oregon where they must have married (secretly?) about 1908. > > The 1910 census shows Nels Kins as a married farmer residing alone in a hotel in Portland, OR. > > The 1917 city directory for The Dalles, Wasco Co., OR shows Nels as a rancher > > The 1918 WW1 draft record shows Nels Kins as a model laundry engineer(!) residing at The Dalles, Wasco Co., OR > > The 1920 city directory for The Dalles, Wasco Co., OR shows Nels as a machinist > > I don't find them in the 1920 census. > > The 1925 city directory for The Dalles, Wasco Co., OR shows Nels as a plumber > > The 1930 census shows Nels and Alma as "truck farmers" residing at Columbia River Highway, Hood River Co., OR > > The 1936 city directory for The Dalles, Wasco Co., OR shows Nels as a laborer > > The 1940 census shows N. N.Kens and Alma as farmers at Odell, Hood River Co., OR > > The 1942 WW2 draft record shows Nels Kins as a high way worker in Good River Co., OR > > ~~~~~ > > The marriage year of about 1908 is taken from the 1930 census, but may of course be inaccurate. But we know for sure it must have been between 1900 and 1910, and I PRESUME it may have been in Oregon! > > However, after having spent quite some time this morning looking into that Dyer family, I have found some new interesting "leads" that may help finding more: > > * Alma's death certificate shows she was born in Idaho Co., ID Oct. 17, 1866 as the daughter of Thomas Dyer and Sarah Harper. The informant was Melissa Snyder whom I remember as residing with Nels and Alma in 1940, but who appears to have copme from NY and probably no relative of Alma's. And the information appears to be "somewhat inaccurate": > > * Alma appears to the daughter of Samuel True DYER, born at Montville, Waldo Co., ME Apr. 12, 1826 who married in ME Dec. 1, 1860 to one Laura A. Philbrook. Samuel turns out to be part of an old (prominent?) (Quaker?) family from New England that can be traced back to the 1600's, at least! > > * The 1870 census shows Samuel and Laura Dyer as farming in Lewiston, Nez Perce Co., ID. Alma is with them. > > * The 1880 census shows Samuel and Laura Dyer as farming in District #3, Columbia Co., WA. Alma is with them. > > * The 1883 WA census shows Samuel and Laura Dyer as storekeepers in Garfield Co., WA. Alma is with them. > > * The 1887 WA census shows Samuel and Laura Dyer as ranchers in Adams Co., WA. Alma is with them. > > * The 1900 census shows Samuel and Laura Dyer as farming in Cow Creek precinct, Adams Co., WA. Alma is gone, but they had an adopted son Joseph C. Dyer, born in OR Jan. of 1887. > > * Then I find that Samuel Truman Dyer, widowed rancher, died near Harper, Adams Co., WA on June 18, 1907 > > * Then I have found the following entry in the 1900 census for Bethel precinct, Whitman Co., WA: > > SHIRRELL, William G. Apr. 1868 OR IL IL farmer married 1 year > SHIRRELL, Alma V. Oct. 1867 ID ME ME wife no children > PARKER, Wilbur L. Dec. 1896 OR unk OR nephew > > and their marriage: > > Name: William G. Shirrell > Gender: Male > Marriage Date: 29 Jun 1899 > Marriage Place: Idaho > Residence Place: Colfax > Spouse: Alma Harper > Spouse Gender: Female > > Now, here this HARPER name reappears (given as Alma's mother's maiden name in her death certificate from 1951!)! Confusing, indeed! Could she have been married once prior to her marriage to William Shirrell?? > > Then I find William G. Shirrell in 1910, still in Whitman Co., WA, then widowed with nephew Wilbur. By 1920 William was in Klamath Co., OR, then DIVORCED. In 1935 he was at Yreka, Siskiyou Co., CA, and he died in Santa Cruz Co., CA Aug. 12, 1941. He appears to be born at Albany, Linn Co., OR > >> From these findings I conclude that the ranch where Nels and Albert Kins went to work shortly after 1900, must have been at Cow Creek, Adams Co., WA and NOT in Idaho! In fact they MAY well have moved west accompanying their uncle Hans URNESS (1848-1926) who in 1901 homesteaded in Benge precinct, Whitman Co., WA! But there must be more to it than that! This all sounds "kind of spicy" to me! Alma must have DIVORCED to marry Nels Kins!! But they MAY still have married in WA!? > > OBVIOUSLY, of great interest would be ANY newspaper articles relating to Samuel Dyer, not to mention his OBITUARY from 1907!? > > Thanks again to all of you for your great assistance trying to solve this challenge for me. I will keep my fingers and toes well crossed for success! > > Very sincerely yours, > > Lars E. Oyane > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > On Mar 14, 2015, at 10:46 PM, Doris Waggoner via wrote: > >> Lars, >> >> Remind us, please, what state or states you think this couple were married >> in, and the potential range of dates. If it was WA or OR, there are places >> I might be able to check. >> >> Doris >> >> On Sat, Mar 14, 2015 at 6:42 PM, Lars E. Oyane via <norway@rootsweb.com> >> wrote: >> >>> Dear Listers! >>> >>> I would also like to relaunch this problem of mine. I am just hoping that >>> newspaper articles can be found in regard to this couple, Nels and Alma >>> (Dyer) Kins, who had to "escape" from her relatives to marry! >>> >>> Thanks again so much for your great assistance in this matter! >>> >>> Very sincerely yours, >>> >>> Lars E. Oyane >>> >>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > Norwaylist Archiveshttp://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=norway > > RESUBSCRIBE UNSUB > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/NOR/NORWAY.html > > guidelines http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~norway/guidelines.htm > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORWAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dear Doris and other Listers! Thank you very much for your prompt reply and good explanation of finance collection. I kind of suspected that was what he did, but doing it for so long... My problem has been solved! Thanks again! Very sincerely yours, Lars E. Oyane ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ On Apr 25, 2015, at 5:32 AM, Doris Waggoner via wrote: > Lars, > > Allstate is/was an insurance company or set of insurance companies, > including life, auto, etc. One of their branches would have been Allstate > Collection Services. Their job would be to collect money from people who > didn't pay their bills on time. So Mr. Mitterling's job in Finance > Collection would have been to attempt to collect these past-due bills. > Most people try to pay when they get letters saying they have past-due > bills, because fines get added to the original bill, and eventually the > company takes the customer to court. If the company wins (which they > usually do), court costs get added to the original bill as well. Most > people aren't fond of finance collectors. But it's a job like any other, > and if he did it for 22 years he was probably pretty good at it without > making either his bosses or his customers too angry with him. In general, > Allstate has a pretty good reputation as an insurance company. I admit I've > never heard of Allstate Collection Services, however. I think probably > they prefer it that way. > > Hope this helps, > Doris > > On Sat, Apr 25, 2015 at 3:11 AM, Lars E. Oyane via <norway@rootsweb.com> > wrote: > >> Dear Listers, >> >> As I am about to describe a family from Whittier, CA, I came across an >> occupation given in a death certificate as follows: >> >> "Finance collection, Allstate Collection Serv., 22 years" >> >> The man, Edward Mitterling, Jr., was 67 when he died in 1991! >> >> Can someone tell me: What did this man actually do for a living? >> >> Thanks a million for your great assistance in this matter! >> >> Very sincerely yours, >> >> Lars E. Oyane >> >>

Dear Listers, As I am about to describe a family from Whittier, CA, I came across an occupation given in a death certificate as follows: "Finance collection, Allstate Collection Serv., 22 years" The man, Edward Mitterling, Jr., was 67 when he died in 1991! Can someone tell me: What did this man actually do for a living? Thanks a million for your great assistance in this matter! Very sincerely yours, Lars E. Oyane

Lars, Allstate is/was an insurance company or set of insurance companies, including life, auto, etc. One of their branches would have been Allstate Collection Services. Their job would be to collect money from people who didn't pay their bills on time. So Mr. Mitterling's job in Finance Collection would have been to attempt to collect these past-due bills. Most people try to pay when they get letters saying they have past-due bills, because fines get added to the original bill, and eventually the company takes the customer to court. If the company wins (which they usually do), court costs get added to the original bill as well. Most people aren't fond of finance collectors. But it's a job like any other, and if he did it for 22 years he was probably pretty good at it without making either his bosses or his customers too angry with him. In general, Allstate has a pretty good reputation as an insurance company. I admit I've never heard of Allstate Collection Services, however. I think probably they prefer it that way. Hope this helps, Doris On Sat, Apr 25, 2015 at 3:11 AM, Lars E. Oyane via <norway@rootsweb.com> wrote: > Dear Listers, > > As I am about to describe a family from Whittier, CA, I came across an > occupation given in a death certificate as follows: > > "Finance collection, Allstate Collection Serv., 22 years" > > The man, Edward Mitterling, Jr., was 67 when he died in 1991! > > Can someone tell me: What did this man actually do for a living? > > Thanks a million for your great assistance in this matter! > > Very sincerely yours, > > Lars E. Oyane > > > > > Norwaylist Archiveshttp:// > archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=norway > > RESUBSCRIBE UNSUB > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/NOR/NORWAY.html > > guidelines http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~norway/guidelines.htm > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NORWAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I have bought a subscription to ancestry for trying to find more about this family ,and did find out some more. It was a Peter Olson ,tailor ,born may 1846 in Norway ,in the 1900 census ,Minneapolis ,MN. He was a widower by then. When Peder/Peter came back to Norway in 1880 he is said to have been a tailor too ,so I bet this must be the same as the father of these 4 children. In the census 1895 he is also a widower living with sons Martin and Ole Olson. I have no more information about Martin ,but found out more about th daughter Sery/Sarah. She was married in Hennepin County ,MN 10 Sep 1892 to Ingebrigt L. Graven ,born in Sunndal ,Norway 21 Jun 1865. In the 1900 census they are listed as Edward and Sarah "Grasem" and lived in Danvers Village ,Marysland and Moyers townships ,Swift County ,MN. Edward was a saloon keeper by then. In the 1910 census "Edwart Gravem" had a meat store living as a widower in Riverside ,Lac Qui Parle County ,MN with 3 children. Have not been able to find the family in 1920 ,but then they should be in Great Falls ,Montana area. I did find a confirmation record for the daughter Clara/Claire Graven in Gold Hill Lutheran Church in Butte ,MT 1912. 1 Clara Selma Graven ,born in Minneapolis ,MN 22 Aug 1896 died 31 Aug 1927 Great Falls ,Montana ,and was married in Butte ,Montana 22 Nov 1919 to Lon C. Stevenson ,who worked in the oil business in Montana. They had one son 1-1 Lon C. Stevenson Jr . 2 Peter Leonard Graven ,born 24 Jan 1899. He lived in Great Falls 1917-1918 ,not found him in 1920 ,but he lived in Los Angeles ,CA 1928 and 1930. In the 1930 census he was a lodger and single in Los Angeles. The last one I found on him was an address from 1935-1936 in Minneapolis ,MN. 3 Florence Graven ,born in Minnesota abt 1901 ,still at home in Riverside ,MN 1910 ,but died before 1926. This Ingebrigt/Edward Gravem/Graven died 26 Feb 1926 in Cascade County ,Montana (listed as "Ingebethe L. Graven" according to the Montana death index. But can also find the same man "Edward Gravem" dying the same date in Butte ,Montana ,and buried 28 Feb at Gold Hill Lutheran in Butte. Wonder if his burialservice was held in Gold Hill Lutheran Church in Butte ,but that he was buried at Highland Cemetery in Great Falls. At least the findagrave had him buried at Highland Cemetery. Anyway.....I have tried to find out more about Peter L. Graven ,born 24 Jan 1899 after 1936 ,but to no avail so far. Anyone who can find more on him in 1920 or after 1936? Also am still hoping to find more on Martin Olson born 1877. Maybe an obituary for his brother Bernhard Magnus Olsen in 1914 would help? Thanks , Erik -----Original Message----- From: Erik Hov via Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2015 1:18 AM To: norway-l@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NOR] Peter and Sarah Olson in Oil City ,PA and MN Thanks for finding the migration from Norway 1871. I must have overlooked that one. Of course we don`t know yet ,if that Martin in Seattle 1900 and Canada 1901 is the one I am looking for ,but I wonder where in Canada “F, Unorganized Territories/territoires Non-organisés,The Territories, Canada” are located??. It doesn`t tell me anything ,but if we could see the household ,it might be possible to tell if it is the same Martin Bertinius. Have taken a look at familysearch myself (don`t have subscription to ancestry) looking for the daughter Sarah ,and found a Sarah Grasem https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M9Q9-FQT it fits her birth month/year/place ,but can`t find more on her or her family.

Erik, If you can find the death cert numbers of the records you need from MN you can send me a list. I’m going to head down to the MN History Center tomorrow morning. Kathy > On Apr 24, 2015, at 4:01 AM, Erik Hov via <norway@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > I have bought a subscription to ancestry for trying to find more about this family ,and did find out some more. It was a Peter Olson ,tailor ,born may 1846 in Norway ,in the 1900 census ,Minneapolis ,MN. He was a widower by then. When Peder/Peter came back to Norway in 1880 he is said to have been a tailor too ,so I bet this must be the same as the father of these 4 children. > In the census 1895 he is also a widower living with sons Martin and Ole Olson. > I have no more information about Martin ,but found out more about th daughter Sery/Sarah. She was married in Hennepin County ,MN 10 Sep 1892 to Ingebrigt L. Graven ,born in Sunndal ,Norway 21 Jun 1865. In the 1900 census they are listed as Edward and Sarah "Grasem" and lived in Danvers Village ,Marysland and Moyers townships ,Swift County ,MN. Edward was a saloon keeper by then. In the 1910 census "Edwart Gravem" had a meat store living as a widower in Riverside ,Lac Qui Parle County ,MN with 3 children. Have not been able to find the family in 1920 ,but then they should be in Great Falls ,Montana area. I did find a confirmation record for the daughter Clara/Claire Graven in Gold Hill Lutheran Church in Butte ,MT 1912. > 1 Clara Selma Graven ,born in Minneapolis ,MN 22 Aug 1896 died 31 Aug 1927 Great Falls > ,Montana ,and was married in Butte ,Montana 22 Nov 1919 to > Lon C. Stevenson ,who worked in the oil business in Montana. They had one son > 1-1 Lon C. Stevenson Jr . > 2 Peter Leonard Graven ,born 24 Jan 1899. He lived in Great Falls 1917-1918 ,not found him > in 1920 ,but he lived in Los Angeles ,CA 1928 and 1930. In the 1930 census he was a lodger > and single in Los Angeles. The last one I found on him was an address from 1935-1936 in > Minneapolis ,MN. > 3 Florence Graven ,born in Minnesota abt 1901 ,still at home in Riverside ,MN 1910 ,but died > before 1926. > This Ingebrigt/Edward Gravem/Graven died 26 Feb 1926 in Cascade County ,Montana (listed as "Ingebethe L. Graven" according to the Montana death index. But can also find the same man "Edward Gravem" dying the same date in Butte ,Montana ,and buried 28 Feb at Gold Hill Lutheran in Butte. Wonder if his burialservice was held in Gold Hill Lutheran Church in Butte ,but that he was buried at Highland Cemetery in Great Falls. At least the findagrave had him buried at Highland Cemetery. > > Anyway.....I have tried to find out more about Peter L. Graven ,born 24 Jan 1899 after 1936 ,but to no avail so far. Anyone who can find more on him in 1920 or after 1936? > Also am still hoping to find more on Martin Olson born 1877. Maybe an obituary for his brother Bernhard Magnus Olsen in 1914 would help? > > Thanks , > Erik > > -----Original Message----- > From: Erik Hov via > Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2015 1:18 AM > To: norway-l@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [NOR] Peter and Sarah Olson in Oil City ,PA and MN > > Thanks for finding the migration from Norway 1871. I must have overlooked > that one. Of course we don`t know yet ,if that Martin in Seattle 1900 and > Canada 1901 is the one I am looking for ,but I wonder where in Canada “F, > Unorganized Territories/territoires Non-organisés,The Territories, Canada” > are located??. It doesn`t tell me anything ,but if we could see the > household ,it might be possible to tell if it is the same Martin Bertinius. > > Have taken a look at familysearch myself (don`t have subscription to > ancestry) looking for the daughter Sarah ,and found a Sarah Grasem > https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M9Q9-FQT it fits her birth > month/year/place ,but can`t find more on her or her family. > > > > > Norwaylist Archiveshttp://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=norway > > RESUBSCRIBE UNSUB > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/NOR/NORWAY.html > > guidelines http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~norway/guidelines.htm > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORWAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

All, just resending my questions from a few days ago​ in case some may have missed it. I would truly appreciate your help/feedback. Thanks. On Mon, Apr 20, 2015 at 1:21 PM, James Aylard <james.aylard@gmail.com> wrote: > My great-great grandfather, Ole Ericksen of Qvernholtet farm in Trysil, > Hedmark, was subject to what appears to be called a "business execution" > when he was unable to pay a substantial sum of money in 1847. Jostein > Austrheim generously provided a nearly complete transcription of the > document to me about six weeks ago, and I have since been using automated > translation tools such as Google Translate and Bing Translator, as well as > a few others, to provide a rough translation from the original Dano-Norsk > into English, and I have then attempted to massage that stilted, > mechanically produced language into something that flows more comfortably > and is more easily understood. > > I have taken Jostein's transcription and placed it in the left-hand column > of a two-column Microsoft Word document. I have worked my translation in > the right column, splitting the document in places to keep the two > languages in fairly close synchronization. I have numbered the sections to > make it easier to discuss a smaller portion of the document by simply > referring to the section number (these are arbitrary and not in the > original document). I have also highlighted in yellow those words that > caused me particular confusion or where I didn't feel I could make a > reasonable guess at their meaning (sometimes I tried to, sometimes I > didn't). > > Now I am looking for additional assistance from this list on the following > questions: > > - Would you read and assess my translation and suggest corrections and > improvements? (There are likely many!) > - Jostein translated between 90-95% of the document, but has > graciously agreed to allow me to ask the list to make sense out of the > fraction he could not transcribe (noted by blue-highlighted question marks > in his transcription), as well as to suggest an alternative transcription > if anyone reads the original text differently than he did. > - Provide understanding of the various abbreviations used in the > document (I figured out that Spd means speciedaler, and that s. typically > mean skilling, both denominations of currency in use at that time). For > instance, what do *utleggsf.* (Section 1), *CK* and *s.* (Section 2), > *c.* (Section 7), and *m.p.p.* (Section 11) mean? > - Provide background of legal proceedings during the mid-nineteenth > century in Norway to help me better understand how typical or how uncommon > this type of legal proceeding was? And does anything stand out to you as > particularly noteworthy from these proceedings? > - Is a "business execution" the same thing I would call a "business > foreclosure"? Or could an execution be any range of actions taken with > regard to a business? And after translating this entire document, I wasn't > entirely sure which business was primarily targeted by the action, although > I assume it was his farm, Qvernholtet. Any thoughts on that? > > ​Jostein's transcription and my parallel translation are available in Word > format here: > > ​ > https://onedrive.live.com/redir?resid=48BE58D24FDFE3B5!82614&authkey=!ABkBxq-sde6MriA&ithint=file%2cdocx > > ​The permanent pagelink for the original Arkivverket document is available > here: > http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:tl_read?idx_id=13570&uid=ny&idx_side=-411 > ​ > ​I look forward to any feedback on any aspect of these documents in > response to the questions I've asked above. Thanks!​ > > -- > > James Aylard > -- James Aylard

Agreed that a huge percentage of the time the informant on a death cert is a very close relative. But, in this case, I’m not seeing the connection yet. However, I do notice that the MN state census taker the following year, 1905, is Ole K. Sherman/Shermoen. > On Apr 23, 2015, at 8:30 PM, Kathy Hines <khines1@qwest.net> wrote: > > The “O.K. Sherman” on the death record for Ole Severs was probably this guy: > > MN Marriage Index: > SHERMAN, OLE K married to TUNE, SUSAN A > 09/12/1883 > Clay county cert# 000A-534 > > On the 1900 census Ole’s surname looks like Shermoen. Ole was born in Norway, but Susan was born in Wisconsin. They have 8 children. I don’t see any immediate or obvious connection to Syverson or Larson. > > Kathy > >> On Apr 23, 2015, at 6:18 PM, Kathy Hines via <norway@rootsweb.com <mailto:norway@rootsweb.com>> wrote: >> >> I have the 1904 death record and it is, for the most part, terribly unhelpful. The MN death records from the first few years of the 1900s contained very little information. >> >> Ole Severson died of “old age” on Nov. 22, 1904. He was 76 (no months or days listed) and born in Norway (no county or exact location given). The Attending Physician was Dr Dawson of Glyndon. The Reporter was O.K. Sherman of Stockwood. No undertaker or burial location is given. >> >> I’m hoping that O.K. Sherman of Stockwood turns out to be a relative of Ole and Anna’s. Maybe a newspaper obit would give more information. >> >> Kathy >>

I do not know enough about Bergen to be certain, but I think Stiftelse in this context may mean maternity hospital. Then it makes sense, does it not? Ingrid -----Opprinnelig melding----- Fra: norway-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:norway-bounces@rootsweb.com] På vegne av Leonard Strom via Sendt: 21. april 2015 06:58 Til: EDWARD A SCRIVEN; norway@rootsweb.com Emne: Re: [NOR] Stiftelsespresten Edward on Google translate Stiftelsespresten is foundation Priest. Leonard >I know parishes may be named for the village the church is in. I know >the big cities have parishes named for local communities or favorite saints, or >like cathedrals or hospitals and special ones. What is Stiftelsespresten? >Where in Bergen is it located? > > Edward A. Scriven > Layton, Utah > Always be Happy!! Norwaylist Archiveshttp://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=norway RESUBSCRIBE UNSUB http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/NOR/NORWAY.html guidelines http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~norway/guidelines.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORWAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The “O.K. Sherman” on the death record for Ole Severs was probably this guy: MN Marriage Index: SHERMAN, OLE K married to TUNE, SUSAN A 09/12/1883 Clay county cert# 000A-534 On the 1900 census Ole’s surname looks like Shermoen. Ole was born in Norway, but Susan was born in Wisconsin. They have 8 children. I don’t see any immediate or obvious connection to Syverson or Larson. Kathy > On Apr 23, 2015, at 6:18 PM, Kathy Hines via <norway@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > I have the 1904 death record and it is, for the most part, terribly unhelpful. The MN death records from the first few years of the 1900s contained very little information. > > Ole Severson died of “old age” on Nov. 22, 1904. He was 76 (no months or days listed) and born in Norway (no county or exact location given). The Attending Physician was Dr Dawson of Glyndon. The Reporter was O.K. Sherman of Stockwood. No undertaker or burial location is given. > > I’m hoping that O.K. Sherman of Stockwood turns out to be a relative of Ole and Anna’s. Maybe a newspaper obit would give more information. > > Kathy > >> On Apr 23, 2015, at 4:30 PM, lsharp via <norway@rootsweb.com> wrote: >> >> Tusen takk, Lars! >> >> Much appreciated -- your time and indepth help with this puzzle. We do think our >> Ole could be from Sogn og Fjordane. >> >> Yes. You are correct - the 1904 date could work for our Ole, given the Census >> showing Anna (Annie) widowed in 1905 and 1910. >> >> However, our Anna is married in 1920 but lives in Glyndon -- about a ten minute car >> ride from the farm just east of Glyndon, in Clay County. >> >> she died 12.17.1927 we now believe; and we have an Ole who appears to have died in >> 1928 that could fit as well. We do know this makes our Ole about 99 - 100 but it >> fits with the 1920 census. Why was Anna married in 1920 and Ole not living with >> her? >> >> Maybe she was in a nursing home (89 years old when she died in 1927); or maybe she >> was in a home and Ole in nursing home?? >> >> We are next to certain that our Anna died in 12.27.1927. >> >> The reason: >> >> Her parents are cited as Botolf Larson and Kristi Hansdatter Svardal -- those names >> are hard to replicate and they are in the record we found. >> >> So perplexing! >> >> We do have one Census citing Ole immigrated in 1852. That is a small help. >> >> Also - we do think that Ole and Anna met in Dodge/ Olmsted County MN where she >> lived with her parents from about 1854 until at least they married about 1859 or >> so. >> >> I think the hand-written church records confirm it, as well as I think there is a >> confirmation of baptism of some of their children at E. St. Olaf Lutheran Church >> there in Olmsted Cty as well. >> >> This fits our expectations for Anna's siblings and her parents were there or close >> to there (Mower County is the other 'spot' for some of them until late 1870's at >> least but that is barely past Dodge Cty to the S or the West). We know these >> areas as all of Anna's three maternal aunts/uncle also came to Dodge County, and >> lived there until they died and their children and many grandchildren are buried >> there and many are still alive living in Dodge County as well as Olmsted / Mower >> Counties. >> >> So we do think it is realistic to think the our Ole Syverson did live in Olmstead / >> Dodge County and there are LOTS of Sogn immigrants that settled there, not the >> least of which are all of Anna's ancestors and relatives -- all Sogn folks. >> >> If any one has methods to help us, we are also searching land records, obituaries, >> probates and anything else we might be able to find to help verify which 'Ole' we >> call Anna's Ole. >> >> Tusen takk. >> >> Linda >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> Dear Linda and Kathy! >>> >>> This information may already be known to you, but just in case...: >>> >>> I notice that "your" Annie Severson is in 1910 listed as 71 years old, widowed, >>> born in Norway, residing in Riverton township, Clay Co., MN with single daughter >>> Sarah (48 MN) and daughter Mollie (40 MN) with 2nd husband Frank Oliver (42 MN) and >>> their son Roy (7 MN). >>> >>> The same lady called Annie Syverson is widowed also i 1905 residing in Riverton >>> township, Clay Co., MN with daughter Serine. >>> >>> In 1900 she is Annie L. Syverson born Aug. 1838 in Norway, emigrated 1851, in >>> Riverton township, Clay Co., MN with husband Ole Syverson born Jan. 1830 in Norway, >>> emigrated 1852. >>> >>> And according to FamilySearch: Ole Severson, aged 76, died in Riverton township, >>> Clay Co., MN on Nov. 22, 1904. >>> >>> So, who was Ole Syverson? I am not too sure that he was a "Sogning". For three >>> reasons: >>> >>> * Riverton township of Clay Co., MN is not a typical "Sogning" settlement area. >>> >>> * Syverson is a name which is rare among Sogning emigrants. In Sogn the original >>> name was Sjurson, which almost without exceptions is "Americanized" by Severson. >>> >>> * I see no "suitable" "candidates" among the emigrants from Sogn! >>> >>> I have done some checking on FamilySearch, and presuming she was born in January of >>> 1828, 1829 or 1830, I see several "good" "candidates": >>> >>> ** Ole Syverson, born Jan. 11, 1830 in Vinger Co., Hedmark - par: Syver Olson and >>> Martha Olsdotter >>> >>> ** Ole Syverson, born Jan. 7, 1829 in Hof Co., Hedmark - par: Syver Hansson and >>> Olea Olsdotter >>> >>> ** Ole Sivertson, born Jan. 1, 1829 in Storen Co., Sor-Trondelag - par: Sivert >>> Olson and Kari Andersdotter >>> >>> ** Ole Sivertson, born Jan, 18, 1830 in Storen Co., Sor-Trondelag - par: Sivert >>> Olson and Olaug Jensdotter >>> >>> ** Ole Sivertson, born Jan. 10, 1830 in Lesja Co., Oppland - par: Sivert Hanson and >>> Marit Johnsdotter >>> >>> ** Ole Syverson, born Jan. 14, 1830 in Lom Co., Oppland - par: Syver Olson and >>> Marie Johannesdotter >>> >>> The only thing that I do NOT like; the 1880 census suggests that Ole and Anna's >>> oldest daughter was Serine (Siri/Sigrid), while the next daughter was named >>> Christine. Since Anna's mother was named Christi, I would expect Ole's mother to >>> be named Siri or Sigrid! >>> >>> Maybe a death certificate or a cemetery marker can be found for Ole Syverson to >>> find his exact date of birth? And maybe his death certificate shows the names of >>> his parents? >>> >>> Hoping these thoughts may bring some result... >>> >>> Very sincerely yours, >>> >>> Lars E. Oyane >>> >>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >>> >>> On Apr 19, 2015, at 9:15 AM, lsharp via wrote: >>> >>>> Searching for my first cousin's (3x removed) husband's birth and family info from >>>> Norway. >>>> >>>> His name in Minnesota: >>>> >>>> Ole Syverson >>>> >>>> His birth >>>> >>>> 1829 Norway (no info about where) >>>> >>>> We see him in Dodge and Olmsted Counties, at East St. Olaf Lutheran Church with >>>> wife Anna Botolvsdatter Larson (as she was known in MN0 and children in the >>>> 1859-1865 era >>>> >>>> Then possibly Mower Cty 1875 Census and Polk Cty after that >>>> >>>> Anna was the daughter (verified) of >>>> >>>> Botolv Larson Eitorn (went by Bottle Larson in MN) >>>> >>>> and >>>> >>>> Kristie Hansdatter Svardal (went by Christie Larson in US) >>>> >>>> Anna emigr. 1851 with her parents and siblings from Bergen, all were born in Sogn >>>> og Fjordane >>>> >>>> We have one Census saying Ole emmigr. 1852 >>>> >>>> Thank you to any one who can provide tips on finding facts about Ole. >>>> >>>> Linda >>>> >>> >>> >> >> >> Linda J. 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In my limited experience the informant and n death Certs is next of kin. Only when no viable next of kin then goes to Inlaws. Etc. What do u think? Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 23, 2015, at 5:30 PM, Kathy Hines <khines1@qwest.net> wrote: > > The “O.K. Sherman” on the death record for Ole Severs was probably this guy: > > MN Marriage Index: > SHERMAN, OLE K married to TUNE, SUSAN A > 09/12/1883 > Clay county cert# 000A-534 > > On the 1900 census Ole’s surname looks like Shermoen. Ole was born in Norway, but Susan was born in Wisconsin. They have 8 children. I don’t see any immediate or obvious connection to Syverson or Larson. > > Kathy > >> On Apr 23, 2015, at 6:18 PM, Kathy Hines via <norway@rootsweb.com> wrote: >> >> I have the 1904 death record and it is, for the most part, terribly unhelpful. The MN death records from the first few years of the 1900s contained very little information. >> >> Ole Severson died of “old age” on Nov. 22, 1904. He was 76 (no months or days listed) and born in Norway (no county or exact location given). The Attending Physician was Dr Dawson of Glyndon. The Reporter was O.K. Sherman of Stockwood. No undertaker or burial location is given. >> >> I’m hoping that O.K. Sherman of Stockwood turns out to be a relative of Ole and Anna’s. Maybe a newspaper obit would give more information. >> >> Kathy >> >>> On Apr 23, 2015, at 4:30 PM, lsharp via <norway@rootsweb.com> wrote: >>> >>> Tusen takk, Lars! >>> >>> Much appreciated -- your time and indepth help with this puzzle. We do think our >>> Ole could be from Sogn og Fjordane. >>> >>> Yes. You are correct - the 1904 date could work for our Ole, given the Census >>> showing Anna (Annie) widowed in 1905 and 1910. >>> >>> However, our Anna is married in 1920 but lives in Glyndon -- about a ten minute car >>> ride from the farm just east of Glyndon, in Clay County. >>> >>> she died 12.17.1927 we now believe; and we have an Ole who appears to have died in >>> 1928 that could fit as well. We do know this makes our Ole about 99 - 100 but it >>> fits with the 1920 census. Why was Anna married in 1920 and Ole not living with >>> her? >>> >>> Maybe she was in a nursing home (89 years old when she died in 1927); or maybe she >>> was in a home and Ole in nursing home?? >>> >>> We are next to certain that our Anna died in 12.27.1927. >>> >>> The reason: >>> >>> Her parents are cited as Botolf Larson and Kristi Hansdatter Svardal -- those names >>> are hard to replicate and they are in the record we found. >>> >>> So perplexing! >>> >>> We do have one Census citing Ole immigrated in 1852. That is a small help. >>> >>> Also - we do think that Ole and Anna met in Dodge/ Olmsted County MN where she >>> lived with her parents from about 1854 until at least they married about 1859 or >>> so. >>> >>> I think the hand-written church records confirm it, as well as I think there is a >>> confirmation of baptism of some of their children at E. St. Olaf Lutheran Church >>> there in Olmsted Cty as well. >>> >>> This fits our expectations for Anna's siblings and her parents were there or close >>> to there (Mower County is the other 'spot' for some of them until late 1870's at >>> least but that is barely past Dodge Cty to the S or the West). We know these >>> areas as all of Anna's three maternal aunts/uncle also came to Dodge County, and >>> lived there until they died and their children and many grandchildren are buried >>> there and many are still alive living in Dodge County as well as Olmsted / Mower >>> Counties. >>> >>> So we do think it is realistic to think the our Ole Syverson did live in Olmstead / >>> Dodge County and there are LOTS of Sogn immigrants that settled there, not the >>> least of which are all of Anna's ancestors and relatives -- all Sogn folks. >>> >>> If any one has methods to help us, we are also searching land records, obituaries, >>> probates and anything else we might be able to find to help verify which 'Ole' we >>> call Anna's Ole. >>> >>> Tusen takk. >>> >>> Linda >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> Dear Linda and Kathy! >>>> >>>> This information may already be known to you, but just in case...: >>>> >>>> I notice that "your" Annie Severson is in 1910 listed as 71 years old, widowed, >>>> born in Norway, residing in Riverton township, Clay Co., MN with single daughter >>>> Sarah (48 MN) and daughter Mollie (40 MN) with 2nd husband Frank Oliver (42 MN) and >>>> their son Roy (7 MN). >>>> >>>> The same lady called Annie Syverson is widowed also i 1905 residing in Riverton >>>> township, Clay Co., MN with daughter Serine. >>>> >>>> In 1900 she is Annie L. Syverson born Aug. 1838 in Norway, emigrated 1851, in >>>> Riverton township, Clay Co., MN with husband Ole Syverson born Jan. 1830 in Norway, >>>> emigrated 1852. >>>> >>>> And according to FamilySearch: Ole Severson, aged 76, died in Riverton township, >>>> Clay Co., MN on Nov. 22, 1904. >>>> >>>> So, who was Ole Syverson? I am not too sure that he was a "Sogning". For three >>>> reasons: >>>> >>>> * Riverton township of Clay Co., MN is not a typical "Sogning" settlement area. >>>> >>>> * Syverson is a name which is rare among Sogning emigrants. In Sogn the original >>>> name was Sjurson, which almost without exceptions is "Americanized" by Severson. >>>> >>>> * I see no "suitable" "candidates" among the emigrants from Sogn! >>>> >>>> I have done some checking on FamilySearch, and presuming she was born in January of >>>> 1828, 1829 or 1830, I see several "good" "candidates": >>>> >>>> ** Ole Syverson, born Jan. 11, 1830 in Vinger Co., Hedmark - par: Syver Olson and >>>> Martha Olsdotter >>>> >>>> ** Ole Syverson, born Jan. 7, 1829 in Hof Co., Hedmark - par: Syver Hansson and >>>> Olea Olsdotter >>>> >>>> ** Ole Sivertson, born Jan. 1, 1829 in Storen Co., Sor-Trondelag - par: Sivert >>>> Olson and Kari Andersdotter >>>> >>>> ** Ole Sivertson, born Jan, 18, 1830 in Storen Co., Sor-Trondelag - par: Sivert >>>> Olson and Olaug Jensdotter >>>> >>>> ** Ole Sivertson, born Jan. 10, 1830 in Lesja Co., Oppland - par: Sivert Hanson and >>>> Marit Johnsdotter >>>> >>>> ** Ole Syverson, born Jan. 14, 1830 in Lom Co., Oppland - par: Syver Olson and >>>> Marie Johannesdotter >>>> >>>> The only thing that I do NOT like; the 1880 census suggests that Ole and Anna's >>>> oldest daughter was Serine (Siri/Sigrid), while the next daughter was named >>>> Christine. Since Anna's mother was named Christi, I would expect Ole's mother to >>>> be named Siri or Sigrid! >>>> >>>> Maybe a death certificate or a cemetery marker can be found for Ole Syverson to >>>> find his exact date of birth? And maybe his death certificate shows the names of >>>> his parents? >>>> >>>> Hoping these thoughts may bring some result... >>>> >>>> Very sincerely yours, >>>> >>>> Lars E. Oyane >>>> >>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >>>> >>>>> On Apr 19, 2015, at 9:15 AM, lsharp via wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Searching for my first cousin's (3x removed) husband's birth and family info from >>>>> Norway. >>>>> >>>>> His name in Minnesota: >>>>> >>>>> Ole Syverson >>>>> >>>>> His birth >>>>> >>>>> 1829 Norway (no info about where) >>>>> >>>>> We see him in Dodge and Olmsted Counties, at East St. Olaf Lutheran Church with >>>>> wife Anna Botolvsdatter Larson (as she was known in MN0 and children in the >>>>> 1859-1865 era >>>>> >>>>> Then possibly Mower Cty 1875 Census and Polk Cty after that >>>>> >>>>> Anna was the daughter (verified) of >>>>> >>>>> Botolv Larson Eitorn (went by Bottle Larson in MN) >>>>> >>>>> and >>>>> >>>>> Kristie Hansdatter Svardal (went by Christie Larson in US) >>>>> >>>>> Anna emigr. 1851 with her parents and siblings from Bergen, all were born in Sogn >>>>> og Fjordane >>>>> >>>>> We have one Census saying Ole emmigr. 1852 >>>>> >>>>> Thank you to any one who can provide tips on finding facts about Ole. >>>>> >>>>> Linda >>> >>> >>> Linda J. Sharp, M.Ed., AZ Real Estate Broker >>> Lsharp@alaska.net >>> 907-227-0036 >>> >>> Norwaylist Archiveshttp://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=norway >>> >>> RESUBSCRIBE UNSUB >>> http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/NOR/NORWAY.html >>> >>> guidelines http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~norway/guidelines.htm >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORWAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> Norwaylist Archiveshttp://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=norway >> >> RESUBSCRIBE UNSUB >> http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/NOR/NORWAY.html >> >> guidelines http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~norway/guidelines.htm >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORWAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I have the 1904 death record and it is, for the most part, terribly unhelpful. The MN death records from the first few years of the 1900s contained very little information. Ole Severson died of “old age” on Nov. 22, 1904. He was 76 (no months or days listed) and born in Norway (no county or exact location given). The Attending Physician was Dr Dawson of Glyndon. The Reporter was O.K. Sherman of Stockwood. No undertaker or burial location is given. I’m hoping that O.K. Sherman of Stockwood turns out to be a relative of Ole and Anna’s. Maybe a newspaper obit would give more information. Kathy > On Apr 23, 2015, at 4:30 PM, lsharp via <norway@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > Tusen takk, Lars! > > Much appreciated -- your time and indepth help with this puzzle. We do think our > Ole could be from Sogn og Fjordane. > > Yes. You are correct - the 1904 date could work for our Ole, given the Census > showing Anna (Annie) widowed in 1905 and 1910. > > However, our Anna is married in 1920 but lives in Glyndon -- about a ten minute car > ride from the farm just east of Glyndon, in Clay County. > > she died 12.17.1927 we now believe; and we have an Ole who appears to have died in > 1928 that could fit as well. We do know this makes our Ole about 99 - 100 but it > fits with the 1920 census. Why was Anna married in 1920 and Ole not living with > her? > > Maybe she was in a nursing home (89 years old when she died in 1927); or maybe she > was in a home and Ole in nursing home?? > > We are next to certain that our Anna died in 12.27.1927. > > The reason: > > Her parents are cited as Botolf Larson and Kristi Hansdatter Svardal -- those names > are hard to replicate and they are in the record we found. > > So perplexing! > > We do have one Census citing Ole immigrated in 1852. That is a small help. > > Also - we do think that Ole and Anna met in Dodge/ Olmsted County MN where she > lived with her parents from about 1854 until at least they married about 1859 or > so. > > I think the hand-written church records confirm it, as well as I think there is a > confirmation of baptism of some of their children at E. St. Olaf Lutheran Church > there in Olmsted Cty as well. > > This fits our expectations for Anna's siblings and her parents were there or close > to there (Mower County is the other 'spot' for some of them until late 1870's at > least but that is barely past Dodge Cty to the S or the West). We know these > areas as all of Anna's three maternal aunts/uncle also came to Dodge County, and > lived there until they died and their children and many grandchildren are buried > there and many are still alive living in Dodge County as well as Olmsted / Mower > Counties. > > So we do think it is realistic to think the our Ole Syverson did live in Olmstead / > Dodge County and there are LOTS of Sogn immigrants that settled there, not the > least of which are all of Anna's ancestors and relatives -- all Sogn folks. > > If any one has methods to help us, we are also searching land records, obituaries, > probates and anything else we might be able to find to help verify which 'Ole' we > call Anna's Ole. > > Tusen takk. > > Linda > > > > > > > >> Dear Linda and Kathy! >> >> This information may already be known to you, but just in case...: >> >> I notice that "your" Annie Severson is in 1910 listed as 71 years old, widowed, >> born in Norway, residing in Riverton township, Clay Co., MN with single daughter >> Sarah (48 MN) and daughter Mollie (40 MN) with 2nd husband Frank Oliver (42 MN) and >> their son Roy (7 MN). >> >> The same lady called Annie Syverson is widowed also i 1905 residing in Riverton >> township, Clay Co., MN with daughter Serine. >> >> In 1900 she is Annie L. Syverson born Aug. 1838 in Norway, emigrated 1851, in >> Riverton township, Clay Co., MN with husband Ole Syverson born Jan. 1830 in Norway, >> emigrated 1852. >> >> And according to FamilySearch: Ole Severson, aged 76, died in Riverton township, >> Clay Co., MN on Nov. 22, 1904. >> >> So, who was Ole Syverson? I am not too sure that he was a "Sogning". For three >> reasons: >> >> * Riverton township of Clay Co., MN is not a typical "Sogning" settlement area. >> >> * Syverson is a name which is rare among Sogning emigrants. In Sogn the original >> name was Sjurson, which almost without exceptions is "Americanized" by Severson. >> >> * I see no "suitable" "candidates" among the emigrants from Sogn! >> >> I have done some checking on FamilySearch, and presuming she was born in January of >> 1828, 1829 or 1830, I see several "good" "candidates": >> >> ** Ole Syverson, born Jan. 11, 1830 in Vinger Co., Hedmark - par: Syver Olson and >> Martha Olsdotter >> >> ** Ole Syverson, born Jan. 7, 1829 in Hof Co., Hedmark - par: Syver Hansson and >> Olea Olsdotter >> >> ** Ole Sivertson, born Jan. 1, 1829 in Storen Co., Sor-Trondelag - par: Sivert >> Olson and Kari Andersdotter >> >> ** Ole Sivertson, born Jan, 18, 1830 in Storen Co., Sor-Trondelag - par: Sivert >> Olson and Olaug Jensdotter >> >> ** Ole Sivertson, born Jan. 10, 1830 in Lesja Co., Oppland - par: Sivert Hanson and >> Marit Johnsdotter >> >> ** Ole Syverson, born Jan. 14, 1830 in Lom Co., Oppland - par: Syver Olson and >> Marie Johannesdotter >> >> The only thing that I do NOT like; the 1880 census suggests that Ole and Anna's >> oldest daughter was Serine (Siri/Sigrid), while the next daughter was named >> Christine. Since Anna's mother was named Christi, I would expect Ole's mother to >> be named Siri or Sigrid! >> >> Maybe a death certificate or a cemetery marker can be found for Ole Syverson to >> find his exact date of birth? And maybe his death certificate shows the names of >> his parents? >> >> Hoping these thoughts may bring some result... >> >> Very sincerely yours, >> >> Lars E. Oyane >> >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> >> On Apr 19, 2015, at 9:15 AM, lsharp via wrote: >> >>> Searching for my first cousin's (3x removed) husband's birth and family info from >>> Norway. >>> >>> His name in Minnesota: >>> >>> Ole Syverson >>> >>> His birth >>> >>> 1829 Norway (no info about where) >>> >>> We see him in Dodge and Olmsted Counties, at East St. Olaf Lutheran Church with >>> wife Anna Botolvsdatter Larson (as she was known in MN0 and children in the >>> 1859-1865 era >>> >>> Then possibly Mower Cty 1875 Census and Polk Cty after that >>> >>> Anna was the daughter (verified) of >>> >>> Botolv Larson Eitorn (went by Bottle Larson in MN) >>> >>> and >>> >>> Kristie Hansdatter Svardal (went by Christie Larson in US) >>> >>> Anna emigr. 1851 with her parents and siblings from Bergen, all were born in Sogn >>> og Fjordane >>> >>> We have one Census saying Ole emmigr. 1852 >>> >>> Thank you to any one who can provide tips on finding facts about Ole. >>> >>> Linda >>> >> >> > > > Linda J. Sharp, M.Ed., AZ Real Estate Broker > Lsharp@alaska.net > 907-227-0036 > > Norwaylist Archiveshttp://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=norway > > RESUBSCRIBE UNSUB > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/NOR/NORWAY.html > > guidelines http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~norway/guidelines.htm > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORWAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Oops! Ildri is located on the right-hand page, in the right-hand column, the 13th name. Thanks,Nancy