Dear Listers, I have for years tried to figure out what became of this gentleman: Erick Anderson HILL born in Hafslo parish, Luster Co., Norway Mar. 9, 1861 He emigrated in the late 1870's to Swift Co., MN had by 1887 removed to Everett, WA where he is recorded in 1887 and 1889. He then disappears! Find-a-grave has an interesting entry in the Lone Fir Pioneer Cemetery in Portland, OR: Erick HILL - no birthdate - died in April of 1894 Is there any way we can find out whether this be the same person? Maybe a news item from Portland, OR? Thanks a million for your great assistance in this matter! Very sincerely yours, Lars E. Oyane

 In trying to find Kari Rolandsdatter's family, I went through some old notes and I find another puzzle. Berge's was left an orphan in 1858 and his guardian in the probate record was Arne Pederson Linde (wife Kari Ellingsdatter Linde).   In a paper I copied it says that in Linde Bruk 4, Arne Person Linde vart fodd I 1823 og vart gift I 1841 med Kari Ellingsdotter Kvamme. Could this be the same person as Berge's guardian?   Thanks again for any help, Marilyn   From: "maeallen" <maeallen@comcast.net> To: "maeallen" <maeallen@comcast.net>, norway@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2015 1:59:55 PM Subject: Re: [NOR] Berge Olson Linde Family Hello Cliff and all listers,   More questions about Kari Rolandsdatter. She died so young - leaving 12 year old Lars and maybe another child out of wedlock - any idea who this is?   Where did she come from and who are her parents? I'm hoping someone can help me with this This is my only brick wall in Berge's ancestry.   Thanks everyone, Marilyn   ----- Original Message ----- From: "maeallen via" <norway@rootsweb.com> To: "Cliff Lien" <cjl@interbaun.com>, norway@rootsweb.com Sent: Friday, May 8, 2015 9:13:47 AM Subject: Re: [NOR] Berge Olson Linde Family Lars had two children the same year to two mothers and then later had two more, Marthe 1837 and Sigrid 1840 to Britha Nielsdatter.   Was there anything more about Kari's parents?   Again, taking time to look this up is so appreciated. Marilyn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cliff Lien via" <norway@rootsweb.com> To: norway@rootsweb.com Sent: Friday, May 8, 2015 8:36:07 AM Subject: Re: [NOR] Berge Olson Linde Family Here's where we get the birth year of 1778 for Kari Rolandsdatter... Kari Rolandd Lindehagen died 7 Jan 1822 and was buried 12 Jan 1822 in Vik She was 44 yrs old but since it was early January we should probably be thinking born 1777 not 1778. Entry 6 for 1822... Kildeinformasjon: Sogn og Fjordane fylke, Vik, Ministerialbok nr. A 6 (1821-1831), Døde og begravede 1822, side 337-338. Permanent sidelenke: www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=11757&idx_id=11757&uid=ny&idx_side=-112 Cliff Lien Alberta, Canada cjl@interbaun.com -----Original Message----- From: Cliff Lien via Sent: Friday, May 08, 2015 7:21 AM To: maeallen@comcast.net ; Norway List Subject: Re: [NOR] Berge Olson Linde Family OK, working backwards... Here is the christening record of Ole Larsen Linde in Vik I Sogn parish, Sogn og Fjordane Top half of the right page. 24 Jan 1810 Unwed mother Kari Rolandsdatter - I think her second child out of wedlock? Father Lars Larsen Skidtvigen - A note says "Faderen Lars Larsen Skidtvigen tiener hos Elling Qvame" Note that Lars Larsen Skidtvigen is also the father of Maritha, daughter of Synneva Stephensdatter The very next entry after Ole on the 26th of January. Kildeinformasjon: Sogn og Fjordane fylke, Vik, Ministerialbok nr. A 5 (1787-1820), Fødte og døpte 1810, side 266-267. Permanent sidelenke: www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=11756&idx_id=11756&uid=ny&idx_side=-123 Lars and Kari married later that year 22 July 1810 and both are from the farm Qvame at the time. Kildeinformasjon: Sogn og Fjordane fylke, Vik, Ministerialbok nr. A 5 (1787-1820), Ekteviede 1810-1812, side 312-313. Permanent sidelenke: www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=11756&idx_id=11756&uid=ny&idx_side=-146 Cliff Lien Alberta, Canada cjl@interbaun.com From: maeallen@comcast.net Sent: Friday, May 08, 2015 5:45 AM To: Cliff Lien ; norway@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NOR] Berge Olson Linde Family I found the information I have on Berge's grandparents at the archives in Bergen. In my notes I wrote that Lars Larson and Kari were not married. I thought I would make one last try at filling in Berg"s ancestry. I used to be able to read the Digitalarkivet easily, but not anymore. I have Lars dying at Linde in 1854 so you would think Kari at maybe age 76 would be nearby. Quite a puzzle. Thanks for trying to figure this out. Marilyn From: "Cliff Lien via" <norway@rootsweb.com> To: "nukilik" <nukilik@xs4all.nl>, norway@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2015 6:42:09 PM Subject: Re: [NOR] Berge Olson Linde Family Tricky one I think... Reina, I think the 4th child of the Roland Olsen you found is Sigri not Kari. See here at Urnæss in Hafsloe in the 1801 census. Looks like all the children and Margrethe Olsd are here with maybe a wrong age transcription for Elisabet? So maybe the wrong Roland? Marilyn, Where did you come up with the 1778 birth year for Kari Rolandsdatter? I have not found a good candidate in the 1801 census. Cliff Lien Alberta, Canada cjl@interbaun.com -----Original Message----- From: nukilik via Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2015 1:29 PM To: maeallen ; norway@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NOR] Berge Olson Linde Family Here is a probaterecord out of 1780 of Roland Olsen. He was married to Margrethe Olsdr (as far as I read the protocol in the right way) and they got the children Ole Rolandsen age 14, Elisabeth Rolandsdr age 18, Marthe Rolandsdr age 10, Kari Rolandsdr age 7 and Ingeris Rolandsdr age 4, page 613b. Start of the protocol at the previous page 613a <http://arkivverket.no/URN:sk_read/24141/288/?size=full&mode=0> This is the only Roland Olsen with a probate record. I am not sure if this can be your Kari Rolandsdr. Reina -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- From: maeallen via Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2015 8:53 PM To: Cliff Lien ; norway@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NOR] Berge Olson Linde Family Yes, this is all the right family and it is Berges grandmother Kari Rolandsdatter that I can't find anything about. I went to the archives in Bergen and the only prospect I could find was Roland Olson and Ragnild Botolfsdatter and this might be way off. So any help to solve this will greatly appreciated. Marilyn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cliff Lien via" <norway@rootsweb.com> To: norway@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2015 9:31:43 AM Subject: Re: [NOR] Berge Olson Linde Family Oh, it's the parents of Kari Rolandsdatter b. abt 1778 we are seeking... Lars Larsen Qvame married Kari Rolandd. Qvame 7 July 1810 in Vik I Sogn Cliff Lien Alberta, Canada cjl@interbaun.com -----Original Message----- From: Cliff Lien via Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2015 7:46 AM To: nukilik ; norway@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NOR] Berge Olson Linde Family So my best bet for Birger's mother using the S og F Fylksarkivet databases... Britha Thord. born in Vik 5 Oct 1813 Father Thor Birges. Tenefossen Mother Ingebiør Ellingd. Just because the father is Birgesen Here is the image at lower right... Kildeinformasjon: Sogn og Fjordane fylke, Vik, Ministerialbo nr. A 5 (1787-1820), Fødte og døpte 1813, side 408-409. Permanent sidelenke: www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=11756&idx_id=11756&uid=ny&idx_side=-193 Cliff Lien Alberta, Canada cjl@interbaun.com Norwaylist Archiveshttp://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=norway RESUBSCRIBE UNSUB http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/NOR/NORWAY.html guidelines http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~norway/guidelines.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORWAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Norwaylist Archiveshttp://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=norway RESUBSCRIBE UNSUB http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/NOR/NORWAY.html guidelines http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~norway/guidelines.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORWAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Norwaylist Archiveshttp://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=norway RESUBSCRIBE UNSUB http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/NOR/NORWAY.html guidelines http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~norway/guidelines.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORWAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Norwaylist Archiveshttp://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=norway RESUBSCRIBE UNSUB http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/NOR/NORWAY.html guidelines http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~norway/guidelines.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORWAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Norwaylist Archiveshttp://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=norway RESUBSCRIBE UNSUB http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/NOR/NORWAY.html guidelines http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~norway/guidelines.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORWAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Earl, Try this link http://kart.gulesider.no/m/K5K2u Geir -----Opprinnelig melding----- From: Earl Sande via Sent: Saturday, May 16, 2015 1:43 AM To: norway@rootsweb.com Subject: [NOR] Atlas Help Please : Nordbakk, Evenes How can I locate on the atlas of Norway - Komune : Evenes (1853), Navnetype : Bruk (gardsbruk) Nordbakk - Latitude 68° 30' 54" N Longitude 16° 43' 45" E ? I'm assuming that Nordbakken and Nordbakk in Evenes are the same. Thanks Earl Norwaylist Archiveshttp://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=norway RESUBSCRIBE UNSUB http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/NOR/NORWAY.html guidelines http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~norway/guidelines.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORWAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

“Ole, ve were at da show on our first date!” said Sven. “I started talking dirty to her and she slapped me and left!” “Uffda, vhy vould yew dew dat! replied Ole. “Yew know how long it took for me tew convince her tew go out vith yew!” “But yew told me she vas a dirty blonde!” replied Sven. “Hair color, hair color,” replied Ole Sent from my iPad John Ferman Minneapolis, MN

Dear Barbara, Annette and other Listers! Thank you very much for your latest contributions to my inquiry about Robert Donald and Edith Walker! I have forwarded the reference to the National Archives to their daughter, Lori, encouraging her to go ahead ordering a service record for her father! By the way, I should mention: According to the daughter Lori, and also from what her adoptive mother/aunt have said, Robert Donald and Edith had TWO daughters, the older one called Deborah, was born about 1954, but according to Lori, Deborah was taken away from her mother at a young age and given up for adoption! We run into an interesting family history, but it also sounds like a history full of pain and suffering! I am sure a lot of interesting information could be revealed if relatives of Edith's in Minnesota could be located. Some of her siblings may still be alive...! Very sincerely yours, Lars E. Oyane ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ On May 15, 2015, at 5:55 PM, Annette Bowen via wrote: > Lars, > If he was a Marine, his service records should still exist but it > costs to get them. I got the records for my uncles, one a Marine and > the other in the Navy. Most Army and Air Force records from that time > period were destroyed in a fire. Maybe the daughter would order them. > I think the costs are different for a next of kin. > > http://www.archives.gov/veterans/ > > Annette > > On 5/15/15, Barbara Young via <norway@rootsweb.com> wrote: >> Hi Lars, >> >> I would think that every scrap of information is always helpful.:} >> Try the SSDI. >> The Veteran Admin might be able to help. >> Getting information will be no problem - it is where to go to find the >> correct agency, that would be my problem.:} >> They can tell you where he was stationed at any time (unless classified). >> There must be folks on the list who know far more than I. >> >> Good luck >> take care >> Barbara >> >> >> On 5/15/2015 5:43 PM, Lars E. Oyane via wrote: >>> Dear Barbara, Marian and other Listers! >>> >>> Thank you very much for your interesting messages in regard to the >>> marriage record of Robert Donald and Edith. I still believe they were >>> married in St. Paul, MN, but cannot prove it... >>> >>> Could there be a wedding announcement in the local paper? >>> >>> I just found another note saying Robert Donald Walker was in the Marine >>> Corps for a while during WW2 and also after, Can that help find a >>> military record for him? >>> >>> Thanks again for your great assistance with this problem! >>> >>> Very sincerely yours, >>> >>> Lars E. Oyane >>> >>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >>> >>> On May 15, 2015, at 3:53 PM, Marian Hill via wrote: >>> >>>> Having been married on a military base . . . >>>> >>>> A wedding on a base would have been performed by a military chaplain (a >>>> minister assigned to that base--a big base might have several from >>>> different denominations) and would be regulated by and reported to the >>>> state or city where the marriage took place. I assume there is also a >>>> record kept by the base chapel, just like by any other church. (The base >>>> we >>>> were married on is now closed, and I have never looked for those chapel >>>> records.) >>>> Nothing would have been reported back to the home towns. >>>> >>>> Marian >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Fri, May 15, 2015 at 12:21 PM, Barbara Young via >>>> <norway@rootsweb.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi Lars, >>>>> >>>>> I haven't been following the thread intensely so don't know if this >>>>> could be of help. >>>>> I noticed that they were married on what is now Veterans Day, formerly >>>>> called Armistice Day commemorating the signing of the Armistice closing >>>>> WW I, and since 1954, called Veteran's Day. If he was a service man, >>>>> they might have wanted to be married on that day and perhaps on a >>>>> military base. >>>>> >>>>> I am not sure about how marriages would have been handled if they took >>>>> place on the base but, as a guess, I would think they would also be >>>>> reported to the home towns of the man and woman. >>>>> >>>>> All the best >>>>> Barbara in MA >>>>>

Hi Lars, I would think that every scrap of information is always helpful.:} Try the SSDI. The Veteran Admin might be able to help. Getting information will be no problem - it is where to go to find the correct agency, that would be my problem.:} They can tell you where he was stationed at any time (unless classified). There must be folks on the list who know far more than I. Good luck take care Barbara On 5/15/2015 5:43 PM, Lars E. Oyane via wrote: > Dear Barbara, Marian and other Listers! > > Thank you very much for your interesting messages in regard to the marriage record of Robert Donald and Edith. I still believe they were married in St. Paul, MN, but cannot prove it... > > Could there be a wedding announcement in the local paper? > > I just found another note saying Robert Donald Walker was in the Marine Corps for a while during WW2 and also after, Can that help find a military record for him? > > Thanks again for your great assistance with this problem! > > Very sincerely yours, > > Lars E. Oyane > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > On May 15, 2015, at 3:53 PM, Marian Hill via wrote: > >> Having been married on a military base . . . >> >> A wedding on a base would have been performed by a military chaplain (a >> minister assigned to that base--a big base might have several from >> different denominations) and would be regulated by and reported to the >> state or city where the marriage took place. I assume there is also a >> record kept by the base chapel, just like by any other church. (The base we >> were married on is now closed, and I have never looked for those chapel >> records.) >> Nothing would have been reported back to the home towns. >> >> Marian >> >> >> >> On Fri, May 15, 2015 at 12:21 PM, Barbara Young via <norway@rootsweb.com> >> wrote: >> >>> Hi Lars, >>> >>> I haven't been following the thread intensely so don't know if this >>> could be of help. >>> I noticed that they were married on what is now Veterans Day, formerly >>> called Armistice Day commemorating the signing of the Armistice closing >>> WW I, and since 1954, called Veteran's Day. If he was a service man, >>> they might have wanted to be married on that day and perhaps on a >>> military base. >>> >>> I am not sure about how marriages would have been handled if they took >>> place on the base but, as a guess, I would think they would also be >>> reported to the home towns of the man and woman. >>> >>> All the best >>> Barbara in MA >>> > Norwaylist Archiveshttp://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=norway > > RESUBSCRIBE UNSUB > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/NOR/NORWAY.html > > guidelines http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~norway/guidelines.htm > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORWAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Lars, If he was a Marine, his service records should still exist but it costs to get them. I got the records for my uncles, one a Marine and the other in the Navy. Most Army and Air Force records from that time period were destroyed in a fire. Maybe the daughter would order them. I think the costs are different for a next of kin. http://www.archives.gov/veterans/ Annette On 5/15/15, Barbara Young via <norway@rootsweb.com> wrote: > Hi Lars, > > I would think that every scrap of information is always helpful.:} > Try the SSDI. > The Veteran Admin might be able to help. > Getting information will be no problem - it is where to go to find the > correct agency, that would be my problem.:} > They can tell you where he was stationed at any time (unless classified). > There must be folks on the list who know far more than I. > > Good luck > take care > Barbara > > > On 5/15/2015 5:43 PM, Lars E. Oyane via wrote: >> Dear Barbara, Marian and other Listers! >> >> Thank you very much for your interesting messages in regard to the >> marriage record of Robert Donald and Edith. I still believe they were >> married in St. Paul, MN, but cannot prove it... >> >> Could there be a wedding announcement in the local paper? >> >> I just found another note saying Robert Donald Walker was in the Marine >> Corps for a while during WW2 and also after, Can that help find a >> military record for him? >> >> Thanks again for your great assistance with this problem! >> >> Very sincerely yours, >> >> Lars E. Oyane >> >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> >> On May 15, 2015, at 3:53 PM, Marian Hill via wrote: >> >>> Having been married on a military base . . . >>> >>> A wedding on a base would have been performed by a military chaplain (a >>> minister assigned to that base--a big base might have several from >>> different denominations) and would be regulated by and reported to the >>> state or city where the marriage took place. I assume there is also a >>> record kept by the base chapel, just like by any other church. (The base >>> we >>> were married on is now closed, and I have never looked for those chapel >>> records.) >>> Nothing would have been reported back to the home towns. >>> >>> Marian >>> >>> >>> >>> On Fri, May 15, 2015 at 12:21 PM, Barbara Young via >>> <norway@rootsweb.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Lars, >>>> >>>> I haven't been following the thread intensely so don't know if this >>>> could be of help. >>>> I noticed that they were married on what is now Veterans Day, formerly >>>> called Armistice Day commemorating the signing of the Armistice closing >>>> WW I, and since 1954, called Veteran's Day. If he was a service man, >>>> they might have wanted to be married on that day and perhaps on a >>>> military base. >>>> >>>> I am not sure about how marriages would have been handled if they took >>>> place on the base but, as a guess, I would think they would also be >>>> reported to the home towns of the man and woman. >>>> >>>> All the best >>>> Barbara in MA >>>> >> Norwaylist >> Archiveshttp://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=norway >> >> RESUBSCRIBE UNSUB >> http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/NOR/NORWAY.html >> >> guidelines http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~norway/guidelines.htm >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> NORWAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message >> > > Norwaylist > Archiveshttp://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=norway > > RESUBSCRIBE UNSUB > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/NOR/NORWAY.html > > guidelines http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~norway/guidelines.htm > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NORWAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

How can I locate on the atlas of Norway - Komune : Evenes (1853), Navnetype : Bruk (gardsbruk) Nordbakk - Latitude 68° 30' 54" N Longitude 16° 43' 45" E ? I'm assuming that Nordbakken and Nordbakk in Evenes are the same. Thanks Earl

Dear Barbara, Marian and other Listers! Thank you very much for your interesting messages in regard to the marriage record of Robert Donald and Edith. I still believe they were married in St. Paul, MN, but cannot prove it... Could there be a wedding announcement in the local paper? I just found another note saying Robert Donald Walker was in the Marine Corps for a while during WW2 and also after, Can that help find a military record for him? Thanks again for your great assistance with this problem! Very sincerely yours, Lars E. Oyane ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ On May 15, 2015, at 3:53 PM, Marian Hill via wrote: > Having been married on a military base . . . > > A wedding on a base would have been performed by a military chaplain (a > minister assigned to that base--a big base might have several from > different denominations) and would be regulated by and reported to the > state or city where the marriage took place. I assume there is also a > record kept by the base chapel, just like by any other church. (The base we > were married on is now closed, and I have never looked for those chapel > records.) > Nothing would have been reported back to the home towns. > > Marian > > > > On Fri, May 15, 2015 at 12:21 PM, Barbara Young via <norway@rootsweb.com> > wrote: > >> Hi Lars, >> >> I haven't been following the thread intensely so don't know if this >> could be of help. >> I noticed that they were married on what is now Veterans Day, formerly >> called Armistice Day commemorating the signing of the Armistice closing >> WW I, and since 1954, called Veteran's Day. If he was a service man, >> they might have wanted to be married on that day and perhaps on a >> military base. >> >> I am not sure about how marriages would have been handled if they took >> place on the base but, as a guess, I would think they would also be >> reported to the home towns of the man and woman. >> >> All the best >> Barbara in MA >>

Hi Lars, I haven't been following the thread intensely so don't know if this could be of help. I noticed that they were married on what is now Veterans Day, formerly called Armistice Day commemorating the signing of the Armistice closing WW I, and since 1954, called Veteran's Day. If he was a service man, they might have wanted to be married on that day and perhaps on a military base. I am not sure about how marriages would have been handled if they took place on the base but, as a guess, I would think they would also be reported to the home towns of the man and woman. All the best Barbara in MA On 5/15/2015 2:50 PM, Lars E. Oyane via wrote: > Dear Barbara, Jim, Mark and other listers! > > Words are just too poor to express the pleasure and gratitude for that wonderful information that you, Mark, have found in just a few hours in regard to Edith Sayers Walker! I am highly impressed! And particularly since her birthdate was so far off! I will forward this information to Edith's daughter! I am convinced she will be just as thrilled as I at this wonderful information! > > Now only two questions remain: > > * Where can the marriage of Robert Donald Walker and Edith Sayers have occurred on Nov. 11, 1958. Maybe in St. Paul, MN? The Ramsey Co., MN marriages have not yet been added to the Minnesota Marriage Index, and Ramsey Co., MN is where the daughter was born in 1959! > > * Then the question about Robert Donald Walker's military engagement. But maybe this will be hard to figure out? I have also been informed that Robert Donald Walker also lived for a while in Eau Claire, WI after he was grown up! > > Thanks again, Mark! What should I have done without you? > > Very sincerely yours, > > Lars E. Oyane > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > On May 15, 2015, at 1:07 PM, Mark Erickson via wrote: > >> Also, it says she was married 10 Nov 1958. >> >> Here she is with her family in the 1940 census. >> >> https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KSVC-2PL >> >> -Mark > Dear Listers! > > I have this evening finally managed to obtain contact with a lady whose family background is very "diffuse". Her mother: > > Edith L. Walker, whose mother's maiden name was Luchier, born in Michigan (or Minnesota? - very often the state references in the California death index of MI and MN have been "mixed"!) Apr. 18, 1927, was killed in a car accident in Los Angeles, CA Dec. 2, 1961. Her husband, Robert Donald, aka Donald Walker (born in Sioux Falls, SD Jan. 22, 1924, raised in Eau Claire, WI, died in Los Angeles, CA Jan. 20 1977) brought the little girl to his sister in San Diego, CA to be raised with her. > > The daughter, the lady I just talked to, was born in St. Paul, MN in August of 1959, but was eventually adopted by her aunt, and her birth certificate does not show in the MN birth index! > > She tells me that her father Donald Walker was a military (officer?) residing at St. Paul, MN at the time she was born, but he was "kicked out" due to alcoholism, and then the family shortly thereafter moved to Los Angeles, CA! > > I have two questions: > > * Is it possible to find Robert Donald aka Donald Walker in any military records from Minnesota (or elsewhere)? > > * Is it at all possible to identify the wife, Edith L., whose mother's maiden name was Luchier? > > Any assistance in this matter would be greatly appreciated, both by their daughter as well as by myself! > > Very sincerely yours, > > Lars E. Oyane > > > > Norwaylist Archiveshttp://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=norway > > RESUBSCRIBE UNSUB > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/NOR/NORWAY.html > > guidelines http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~norway/guidelines.htm > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORWAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Having been married on a military base . . . A wedding on a base would have been performed by a military chaplain (a minister assigned to that base--a big base might have several from different denominations) and would be regulated by and reported to the state or city where the marriage took place. I assume there is also a record kept by the base chapel, just like by any other church. (The base we were married on is now closed, and I have never looked for those chapel records.) Nothing would have been reported back to the home towns. Marian On Fri, May 15, 2015 at 12:21 PM, Barbara Young via <norway@rootsweb.com> wrote: > Hi Lars, > > I haven't been following the thread intensely so don't know if this > could be of help. > I noticed that they were married on what is now Veterans Day, formerly > called Armistice Day commemorating the signing of the Armistice closing > WW I, and since 1954, called Veteran's Day. If he was a service man, > they might have wanted to be married on that day and perhaps on a > military base. > > I am not sure about how marriages would have been handled if they took > place on the base but, as a guess, I would think they would also be > reported to the home towns of the man and woman. > > All the best > Barbara in MA > >

Dear Barbara, Jim, Mark and other listers! Words are just too poor to express the pleasure and gratitude for that wonderful information that you, Mark, have found in just a few hours in regard to Edith Sayers Walker! I am highly impressed! And particularly since her birthdate was so far off! I will forward this information to Edith's daughter! I am convinced she will be just as thrilled as I at this wonderful information! Now only two questions remain: * Where can the marriage of Robert Donald Walker and Edith Sayers have occurred on Nov. 11, 1958. Maybe in St. Paul, MN? The Ramsey Co., MN marriages have not yet been added to the Minnesota Marriage Index, and Ramsey Co., MN is where the daughter was born in 1959! * Then the question about Robert Donald Walker's military engagement. But maybe this will be hard to figure out? I have also been informed that Robert Donald Walker also lived for a while in Eau Claire, WI after he was grown up! Thanks again, Mark! What should I have done without you? Very sincerely yours, Lars E. Oyane ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ On May 15, 2015, at 1:07 PM, Mark Erickson via wrote: > Also, it says she was married 10 Nov 1958. > > Here she is with her family in the 1940 census. > > https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KSVC-2PL > > -Mark Dear Listers! I have this evening finally managed to obtain contact with a lady whose family background is very "diffuse". Her mother: Edith L. Walker, whose mother's maiden name was Luchier, born in Michigan (or Minnesota? - very often the state references in the California death index of MI and MN have been "mixed"!) Apr. 18, 1927, was killed in a car accident in Los Angeles, CA Dec. 2, 1961. Her husband, Robert Donald, aka Donald Walker (born in Sioux Falls, SD Jan. 22, 1924, raised in Eau Claire, WI, died in Los Angeles, CA Jan. 20 1977) brought the little girl to his sister in San Diego, CA to be raised with her. The daughter, the lady I just talked to, was born in St. Paul, MN in August of 1959, but was eventually adopted by her aunt, and her birth certificate does not show in the MN birth index! She tells me that her father Donald Walker was a military (officer?) residing at St. Paul, MN at the time she was born, but he was "kicked out" due to alcoholism, and then the family shortly thereafter moved to Los Angeles, CA! I have two questions: * Is it possible to find Robert Donald aka Donald Walker in any military records from Minnesota (or elsewhere)? * Is it at all possible to identify the wife, Edith L., whose mother's maiden name was Luchier? Any assistance in this matter would be greatly appreciated, both by their daughter as well as by myself! Very sincerely yours, Lars E. Oyane

Hi Mark, I think if you have her dob that would help - they may have her recorded with her Tribal name. Barbara On 5/15/2015 1:01 PM, Mark Erickson via wrote: > I don’t see anyone named Luchier in the reservation, but here are two possibilities. > LUSSIER and LUCIER. > > Ojibwe genealogy focusing on Red Lake Indian Reservation, 1889 - 1938 > > http://www.ojibwe.info/RedLake/HTML/surnames.html#L > > -Mark > Norwaylist Archiveshttp://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=norway > > RESUBSCRIBE UNSUB > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/NOR/NORWAY.html > > guidelines http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~norway/guidelines.htm > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORWAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Also, it says she was married 10 Nov 1958. Here she is with her family in the 1940 census. https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KSVC-2PL -Mark

Here she is: Edith Marie Sayers (Married name: Edith S. Walker) Born 8 april 1929 Died 2 december 1961 http://tinyurl.com/jw6xf8u They even have a family tree linked. Sayers Edith Marie (Walker) Father : Sayers Felix Paul "Gunny" Mother : Lussier Agnes (Sayers) Birth : Date : 8 april 1929 Place : enrolled as,Red Lake,Chippewa,1/2 Death : Date : 2 december 1961 (32 years old) Note : !NARA_RG_75, Series M-595, Films #243-245, 418-424 and 649-654, Red Lake BIA Enrollment, 1930:1365, 1938:1585/1550 [1930: living at Redlake, Beltrami County, Minnesota, blood quantum "1/4x"] [1938: blood quantum "1/2"] Note : !B.I.A._1934_INDIAN_REORGANIZATION_ACT: I.R.A. Council "Red Lake Reservation Basic Roll," [10 Nov 1958], Resolution No. 70-60, #3503 [transcripton by V. Rogers], married, Red Lake blood quantum 1/2, other 1/2 Note : !NAME: Walker, Edith S. [1958] Note : !NAME: Sayers, Edith Marie (APR 8, 1929) Reference : RL58-3503 Family Information : with Walker : -Mark

Hi Mark, Have you tried the Tribal records - I believe they have a record of such things. All the best Barbara in MA On 5/15/2015 12:15 PM, Lars E. Oyane via wrote: > Dear Mark and other Listers! > > Thank you very very much, Mark, for finding so quickly Edith Walker's obituary and sending me off-list both the obituary and also the notice telling about the actual accident. I am indeed impressed with your findings! > > So Edith came from the Red Lake Indian Reservation in Minnesota leaving behind a large number of siblings and relatives! This is very interesting, but I am still not able to find her birth in Minnesota! Noone named Edith was born in MN on Apr. 18, 1827, which was given as her birthdate at the time she died! > > Could it be, having so many relatives in the Red Lake reservation, that there is some write-up about her death in the Bemidji, MN paper? Or maybe the reservation has (had) its own paper? > > Thanks again for your great assistance in this matter! > > Very sincerely yours, > > Lars E. Oyane > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > On May 15, 2015, at 9:08 AM, Mark Erickson via wrote: > >> Pasadena Independent; Tuesday, December 5, 1961; page 20 >> >> WALKER—Edith L.Walker of 224 West Verdugo, Burbank passed away Dec. 2,1961. A native of Minnesota, she had been a resident of this vicinity the past two years. Survived by her husband Robert D. Walker and daughter Lori Lee Walker; also four brothers and four sisters at the Red Lake Indian Reservation, Red Lake, Minnesota. Services will be held Thursday, Dec. 7, at 3 p.m. at the Lamb Funeral Home, 415 East Orange Grove Blvd., to be conducted by the Rev. Omar Gjerness. Interment private. > Dear Listers, > > I realize that I am now in the "wrong" part of your beautiful sunny state, but since I have had such great assistance from you NORCAL listers in the past, and not being a member of the SOCAL list, I was hoping maybe someone has the possibility to check for a NEWSPAPER CLIPPING telling about this event: > > Edith L. Walker (Mrs. Robert Donald Walker) of Los Angeles, CA, born Apr. 18, 1927, was killed in a car accident in Los Angeles, CA on Dec. 2, 1961. > > Her father was of Norwegian background, but he died in 1977. Their little daughter (born in 1959) was adopted by his sister and brought up by her, not knowing anything at all about her birth mother apart from her first name! > > So, if any write-ups can be found about this event, that would be of great interest both to the daughter and to me! > > Thanks a million in advance for your great assistance in this matter! > > Very sincerely yours, > > Lars E. Oyane > > > > Norwaylist Archiveshttp://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=norway > > RESUBSCRIBE UNSUB > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/NOR/NORWAY.html > > guidelines http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~norway/guidelines.htm > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORWAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I don’t see anyone named Luchier in the reservation, but here are two possibilities. LUSSIER and LUCIER. Ojibwe genealogy focusing on Red Lake Indian Reservation, 1889 - 1938 http://www.ojibwe.info/RedLake/HTML/surnames.html#L -Mark

Dear Mark and other Listers! Thank you very very much, Mark, for finding so quickly Edith Walker's obituary and sending me off-list both the obituary and also the notice telling about the actual accident. I am indeed impressed with your findings! So Edith came from the Red Lake Indian Reservation in Minnesota leaving behind a large number of siblings and relatives! This is very interesting, but I am still not able to find her birth in Minnesota! Noone named Edith was born in MN on Apr. 18, 1827, which was given as her birthdate at the time she died! Could it be, having so many relatives in the Red Lake reservation, that there is some write-up about her death in the Bemidji, MN paper? Or maybe the reservation has (had) its own paper? Thanks again for your great assistance in this matter! Very sincerely yours, Lars E. Oyane ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ On May 15, 2015, at 9:08 AM, Mark Erickson via wrote: > Pasadena Independent; Tuesday, December 5, 1961; page 20 > > WALKER—Edith L.Walker of 224 West Verdugo, Burbank passed away Dec. 2,1961. A native of Minnesota, she had been a resident of this vicinity the past two years. Survived by her husband Robert D. Walker and daughter Lori Lee Walker; also four brothers and four sisters at the Red Lake Indian Reservation, Red Lake, Minnesota. Services will be held Thursday, Dec. 7, at 3 p.m. at the Lamb Funeral Home, 415 East Orange Grove Blvd., to be conducted by the Rev. Omar Gjerness. Interment private. Dear Listers, I realize that I am now in the "wrong" part of your beautiful sunny state, but since I have had such great assistance from you NORCAL listers in the past, and not being a member of the SOCAL list, I was hoping maybe someone has the possibility to check for a NEWSPAPER CLIPPING telling about this event: Edith L. Walker (Mrs. Robert Donald Walker) of Los Angeles, CA, born Apr. 18, 1927, was killed in a car accident in Los Angeles, CA on Dec. 2, 1961. Her father was of Norwegian background, but he died in 1977. Their little daughter (born in 1959) was adopted by his sister and brought up by her, not knowing anything at all about her birth mother apart from her first name! So, if any write-ups can be found about this event, that would be of great interest both to the daughter and to me! Thanks a million in advance for your great assistance in this matter! Very sincerely yours, Lars E. Oyane

Dear Greg and other Listers! I wanted to let you all know; this problem has been solved: Ludvig was found residing 1925 in Cleveland township, Walsh Co., ND and in 1930 in Dahlen township, Nelson Co., ND. This is not far from the East Sarnia cemetery, and by phone I have now examined the records of the Sarnia Lutheran church which tell me that Ludvig Hillestad (with this spelling!) died on Mar. 15, 1937 at the Hospital in Lakota, ND! His age shows a perfect "match"! So, one person less to be researched, although an OBITUARY would still be of interest in order to obtain more precise details about Ludvig's life...? Thanks again to all listers for your wonderful assistance solving my questions, all beneficial to the readers of the bygdebooks of Luster Co., Norway! Very sincerely yours, Lars E. Oyane ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ On May 13, 2015, at 9:12 PM, Lars E. Oyane via wrote: > Dear Greg and other Listers! > > Thank you very much, Greg, for your quick reply to my latest inquiry about Ludvig Hillestad - Helestad(?). > > There is no need to send me the WW1 draft record since I can also access this from my side (FamilySearch and ancestry.com). > > I can see why you question whether the Ludvig Helestad I found in Nelson Co., ND can be the "right" Ludvig! There was also a Ludvig Helseth who in 1918 was a resident of Petersburg in Nelson Co., ND, and he was born near Aalesund, Norway Dec. 5, 1885! > > Hmmm, I wonder... > > But then I see on ancestry.com a family tree of one Louis Nicoli Helseth, born in Norway Dec. 4, 1884, who died in Anoka, MN July 8, 1967! He does look suspiciously like Ludvig Helseth, doesn't he? His SS record even shows he was born Dec. 4, 1885! > > SO, I still believe Ludvig Helestad in the East Sarnia cemetery in Nelson Co., ND MAY be "my" Ludvig...? > > Thanks again for any suggestions and assistance to find the answers to my questions!! > > Very sincerely yours, > > Lars E. Oyane > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > On May 13, 2015, at 6:43 PM, Gregory Holter via wrote: > >> Lars, >> >> I believe from looking at the other possibilities that showed up during my search on FamilySearch.org that the man buried in Nelson County is a different man, with a different birth date, and NOT the man you are seeking. >> >> Greg Holter >> >> From: Lars E. Oyane via <norway@rootsweb.com> >> To: norway@rootsweb.com >> Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2015 1:49 PM >> Subject: [NOR] Ludvig Hillestad - Helestad (1885-1937)? - disappeared in North Dakota? >> >> Dear Listers! >> >> For years I have tried to figure out what became of this gentleman: >> >> Ludvig Christopherson Hillestad >> born Aug. 10, 1884 in Hafslo parish, Luster Co., Norway >> emigrated in 1904 as a machinist to Minnesota >> was in 1918 (WW1 draft) a farm laborer at Mandan, Morton Co., ND >> >> When Ludvig's father died in Bergen, Norway in 1921, it was said they had not heard from Ludvig since 1915, and noone knew whether he was still alive! >> >> In the East Sarnia cemetery in Nelson Co., ND is buried this man: >> >> Ludvig HELESTAD 1885-1937 >> >> However, I don't find thus person in the ND Death Index - maybe due to a misspelling? >> >> I strongly suspect this be "our" Ludvig, but can someone please help me find additional details about him? >> >> * An exact date and place of his death? >> >> * An obituary? >> >> * Maybe other newspaper clippings? >> >> * Where was he in the 1910, 1920 and 1930 censuses? >> >> Thanks a million in advance for your great assistance in this matter! >> >> Very sincerely yours, >> >> Lars E. Oyane >

Lars, FamilySearch seems to indicate that the Red Lake Reservation maintains its own vital records: https://familysearch.org/learn/wiki/en/Red_Lake_Indian_Agency_%28Minnesota%29 Perhaps she was born on the reservation and her birth record is kept there? James Aylard On Friday, May 15, 2015, Lars E. Oyane via <norway@rootsweb.com> wrote: > Dear Mark and other Listers! > > Thank you very very much, Mark, for finding so quickly Edith Walker's > obituary and sending me off-list both the obituary and also the notice > telling about the actual accident. I am indeed impressed with your > findings! > > So Edith came from the Red Lake Indian Reservation in Minnesota leaving > behind a large number of siblings and relatives! This is very interesting, > but I am still not able to find her birth in Minnesota! Noone named Edith > was born in MN on Apr. 18, 1827, which was given as her birthdate at the > time she died! > > Could it be, having so many relatives in the Red Lake reservation, that > there is some write-up about her death in the Bemidji, MN paper? Or maybe > the reservation has (had) its own paper? > > Thanks again for your great assistance in this matter! > > Very sincerely yours, > > Lars E. Oyane > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > On May 15, 2015, at 9:08 AM, Mark Erickson via wrote: > > > Pasadena Independent; Tuesday, December 5, 1961; page 20 > > > > WALKER—Edith L.Walker of 224 West Verdugo, Burbank passed away Dec. > 2,1961. A native of Minnesota, she had been a resident of this vicinity > the past two years. Survived by her husband Robert D. Walker and daughter > Lori Lee Walker; also four brothers and four sisters at the Red Lake Indian > Reservation, Red Lake, Minnesota. Services will be held Thursday, Dec. 7, > at 3 p.m. at the Lamb Funeral Home, 415 East Orange Grove Blvd., to be > conducted by the Rev. Omar Gjerness. Interment private. > > Dear Listers, > > I realize that I am now in the "wrong" part of your beautiful sunny state, > but since I have had such great assistance from you NORCAL listers in the > past, and not being a member of the SOCAL list, I was hoping maybe someone > has the possibility to check for a NEWSPAPER CLIPPING telling about this > event: > > Edith L. Walker (Mrs. Robert Donald Walker) of Los Angeles, CA, born Apr. > 18, 1927, was killed in a car accident in Los Angeles, CA on Dec. 2, 1961. > > Her father was of Norwegian background, but he died in 1977. Their little > daughter (born in 1959) was adopted by his sister and brought up by her, > not knowing anything at all about her birth mother apart from her first > name! > > So, if any write-ups can be found about this event, that would be of great > interest both to the daughter and to me! > > Thanks a million in advance for your great assistance in this matter! > > Very sincerely yours, > > Lars E. Oyane > > > -- James Aylard