What amazing research. You are all the greatest. And the best part was that both certificates were signed by daughter Hilda Henry. So I have another name to research. I had found six of the eight children of the family but Hilda was one of my brick walls since I did not know what happened to her. Time to do some research...but help I am having dinner guests so I can only do this for a little more time this afternoon.... Thank you thank you thank Carol in Kentucky -----Original Message----- From: Mark Erickson <merickson1870@gmail.com> To: Joy Gulden <jegulden@gmail.com>; norway <norway@rootsweb.com> Cc: Carol Whitley Larson <larsonjw@aol.com> Sent: Tue, May 19, 2015 3:35 pm Subject: Re: [NOR] Where are George and Lena Swenson buried? Here’s Lena. http://tinyurl.com/lucm6zy They’re both in Inglewood Park Cemetery.

I have found them living at 8717 Bandera St. I am not sure where it is. I have seen that it is in Watts area of Compton, in an area called San Antonio and I have found that address in an area that looks like regular Los Angeles so I am feeling discouraged. Carol in KY -----Original Message----- From: Mark Erickson <merickson1870@gmail.com> To: Marian Hill <marian.hill@gmail.com> Cc: Carol Whitley Larson <larsonjw@aol.com>; norway <norway@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tue, May 19, 2015 2:46 pm Subject: Re: [NOR] Where are George and Lena Swenson buried? Do you know where they lived? Family search has the death certificated divided into 4 areas. Los Angeles (County I think); Los Angeles, Long Beach; Los Angeles, Los Angeles (Just the city); Los Angeles, Pasadena. Wait, here they are in 1932. This is in the Florence-Graham district. http://tinyurl.com/lg4vsgq Swenson Geo (Lena) retired h 8717 Bandera It might help narrow the search, but I’m really not sure how the death certificates are organized. They seems to cover a wide range of dates and locations.

Here’s Lena. http://tinyurl.com/lucm6zy <http://tinyurl.com/lucm6zy> They’re both in Inglewood Park Cemetery.

The Florence-Graham district is in Los Angeles City, just north of Watts. They’re in the Los Angeles, Los Angeles collection. Found George. http://tinyurl.com/mw3mpx6 They have a new address, so I guess I just got lucky!! -Mark

Hi Tom, Enjoy.:} Bab On 5/19/2015 12:22 PM, John Ferman via wrote: > One time on a winter morning, Ole took off for church alone since Lena had the flu. It so happened that a sudden blizzard made driving impossible, so Ole and the preacher were the only ones that made it. The preacher decided to deliver his sermon anyway, which turned out to be an hour long and somewhat boring. > > After the service was over, the preacher talked to Ole to see if he had a comment. > > "Ya, yew betcha," said Ole, "I don't know anyting about preaching. But I feed a lot of cattle on my farm, and if only vun critter shows up, I don't dump da whole load of feed." > > Sent from my iPad > John Ferman >

Do you know where they lived? Family search has the death certificated divided into 4 areas. Los Angeles (County I think); Los Angeles, Long Beach; Los Angeles, Los Angeles (Just the city); Los Angeles, Pasadena. Wait, here they are in 1932. This is in the Florence-Graham district. http://tinyurl.com/lg4vsgq Swenson Geo (Lena) retired h 8717 Bandera It might help narrow the search, but I’m really not sure how the death certificates are organized. They seems to cover a wide range of dates and locations.

Thanks so much for the suggestions and yes I am correcting the date for George's death. I did check if they had included any Document numbers and they seem to be missing. So guess I should make a phone call to LA and see what they charge to make a copy of the death. Thanks for your help... Carol in Kentucky -----Original Message----- From: Mark Erickson via <norway@rootsweb.com> To: norway <norway@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tue, May 19, 2015 12:03 pm Subject: Re: [NOR] Where are George and Lena Swenson buried? Does Ancestry have images of the death records? If you can find the Document number, these death certificates are online in FamilySearch. Here’s what the death record looks like: http://marksrelatives.com/images_03/Minnie_Marie_Stafford_Death.jpg <http://marksrelatives.com/images_03/Minnie_Marie_Stafford_Death.jpg> Here’s the collection in FamilySearch. https://familysearch.org/search/collection/2001287 <https://familysearch.org/search/collection/2001287> You need to click the link at the bottom of the page that reads: "Browse through 2,915,415 images”, and then choose the county, then choose the dates. There’s a LOT of images though, so it helps to have the death certificate number. -Mark Norwaylist Archiveshttp://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=norway RESUBSCRIBE UNSUB http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/NOR/NORWAY.html guidelines http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~norway/guidelines.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORWAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Some how I stumbled across alphabetical handwritten records on Family Search and found the pages that have lists of deaths of both Lena and George. I can send a copy to Carol, but if I am reading it correctly, the number is the number of the LA deaths for that time, and not the death certificate number. It does give the date and the number and the volume. This may help in finding the death cert number, maybe?? Carol, if you want me to send these two pages as attachments, let me know and I will be glad to do that. Joy On 5/18/2015 6:15 PM, Carol Whitley Larson via wrote: > I have tracked Olena (Lena or Oline) Christopherson (or Thorson) born 25 Feb 1863 in York, Fillmore county Minnesota and her husband > George Swenson (born 19 Nov 1857 in Norway) from their marriage 09 Jan 1881, Canfield, Fillmore county Minnesota to their years in St. Thomas, Pembina county, North Dakota to their final move before 1920 to Los Angeles. George dies in Los Angeles 21 of April 1947 and Lena dies the 7 Sep 1947, also in Los Angeles. We need help in finding where they are buried. > > > Does anyone on the list have any suggestions on finding an obituary for either of them. I have tried Find a Grave but there are so many dead people in Los Angeles that it is hard to find where they are buried? > > Thanks for any ideas on where they could be! > > Carol in Kentucky --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com

It sometimes helps to look in the Family Search catalog of microfilms--they break it down better there. (When I'm "browsing" Family Search records online, I always first print out the microfilm listing from the catalog.) I believe that the death records for the period you are interested in are just on the county level, so you don't need to worry about the city. Here is the catalog of microfilm of Los Angeles County vital records https://familysearch.org/search/catalog/results?count=20&placeId=206588&query=%2Bplace%3A%22United%20States%2C%20California%2C%20Los%20Angeles%22&subjectsOpen=350031-15 and it looks like all the applicable death records are at https://familysearch.org/search/catalog/1131994?availability=Family%20History%20Library In the digitized records, I believe they are just going to be in the "Los Angeles" category, and then listed in groupings that you can equate to the microfilms. Marian On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 11:55 AM, Carol Whitley Larson <larsonjw@aol.com> wrote: > > I have found them living at 8717 Bandera St. I am not sure where it is. > I have seen that it is in Watts area of Compton, in an area called San > Antonio and I have found that address in an area that looks like regular > Los Angeles so I am feeling discouraged. > > Carol in KY > >

One time on a winter morning, Ole took off for church alone since Lena had the flu. It so happened that a sudden blizzard made driving impossible, so Ole and the preacher were the only ones that made it. The preacher decided to deliver his sermon anyway, which turned out to be an hour long and somewhat boring. After the service was over, the preacher talked to Ole to see if he had a comment. "Ya, yew betcha," said Ole, "I don't know anyting about preaching. But I feed a lot of cattle on my farm, and if only vun critter shows up, I don't dump da whole load of feed." Sent from my iPad John Ferman Minneapolis, MN

Does Ancestry have images of the death records? If you can find the Document number, these death certificates are online in FamilySearch. Here’s what the death record looks like: http://marksrelatives.com/images_03/Minnie_Marie_Stafford_Death.jpg <http://marksrelatives.com/images_03/Minnie_Marie_Stafford_Death.jpg> Here’s the collection in FamilySearch. https://familysearch.org/search/collection/2001287 <https://familysearch.org/search/collection/2001287> You need to click the link at the bottom of the page that reads: "Browse through 2,915,415 images”, and then choose the county, then choose the dates. There’s a LOT of images though, so it helps to have the death certificate number. -Mark

California in general is expensive and slow for death certificates. The Family Search records are broken up into small pieces, and are generally organized by date, so it might not be too hard. There is an index on microfilm, but it doesn't seem to be digitized :-( I looked some, but we are away from home and don't have a great internet connection for downloading images. I think it will be on this film, after image 850. https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1971-29336-1842-34?cc=2001287&wc=SJ5J-FM3:285174601,285382401 Marian On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 9:32 AM, Carol Whitley Larson via < norway@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > Thanks so much for the suggestions and yes I am correcting the date for > George's death. I did check if they had included any Document numbers and > they seem to be missing. So guess I should make a phone call to LA and see > what they charge to make a copy of the death. > > Thanks for your help... > > Carol in Kentucky > >

Dear Mark and other Listers! Thank you very much, Mark, for sending me off-list William Kenneth Bartley's obituary, which, as I read it, makes it quite clear he was NOT the William Bartley who married Helen Mae Harrison! So, I went back to my working "booth" and discovered that "our" William Bartley had REVE for a middle name, and I find he was a native of Sulphur Creek, Lewis Co., WA where he lived with Helen Mae in 1940. He was born there on Nov. 27, 1910 as the son of George W. and Evelyn Bartley, both natives of KY! I don't find a death record for this William Bartley, but this fact doesn't change our conclusion as far as Helen Mae's identity is concerned; however, it does mean we still need Helen Mae's obituary after all! So, where can it be found?? Thanks again for your wonderful assistance in this matter! Very sincerely yours, Lars E. Oyane ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ On May 19, 2015, at 4:57 AM, Lars E. Oyane via wrote: > Dear Jerrald, Greg and other Listers! > > Thank you very much for your latest messages in regard to Helen Bartley Melheim and her background! > > I had also seen that Helen Bartley from Virginia referred to by Jerrald, but didn't feel quite comfortable with her, so I was indeed happy when you, Greg, introduced me to Helen Mae Harrison Bartley from the 1940 census for Lewis Co., WA! And I have found proof on ancestry.com she's the one! > > But first I find that William Kenneth Bartley, born in WA June 20, 1910, died at Pt. Townsend, Jefferson Co., WA Feb. 2, 1973. He is buried in the Laurel Grove cemetery at Pt. Townsend, and find-a-grave refers to his obituary as follows: > > "Bartley William Kenneth 2/2/1973 2/8/1973 Newsp - Col 4 - can be obtained through Jefferson Co., Hist. Soc." > > He appears to be buried alone, i.e. no wife is there next to him. Maybe his obituary would also be available online somewhere? > > Then I tried Helen Mae Harrison, born in Idaho in 1919, on ancestry.com, and here comes up a "Bradley Ann Brown (Barrows) family tree giving Helen Mae's birth and death dates identical to "our" Helen Mae Melheim!! And it appears that she was in 1930 residing with her mother and her 2nd husband Jack Poor at Brinnon, Jefferson Co., WA, thus explaining her connection to that place! > > What now remains to find out, or to verify, are: > > * Helen Mae's exact place of birth (Blaine Co., ID?)? > > * Helen Mae's exact place of death (Brinnon, WA?)? > > * How many sons/daughters did Helen Mae have by her 1st husband William Bartley? > > * Years of Helen Mae divorces? (may be hard to find...) > > Thanks again for your wonderful assistance with this "enigma" which now appears to be ALMOST solved! > > Very sincerely yours, > > Lars E. Oyane > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > On May 18, 2015, at 8:57 PM, Gregory Holter via wrote: > >> This COULD be the correct Helen in the 1920 census, in Muldoon, Blaine County, Idaho. She is shown as Helen M Harrison and is 11/12 years old in 19 January 1920 which would match her 10 February 1919 birthdate. But hard to tell. >> >> >> >> | Name: | Helen M Harrison | >> | Event Type: | Census | >> | Event Year: | 1920 | >> | Event Place: | Muldoon, Blaine, Idaho, United States | >> | Gender: | Female | >> | Age: | 0 | >> | Marital Status: | Single | >> | Race: | White | >> | Race (Original): | White | >> | Relationship to Head of Household: | Daughter | >> | Relationship to Head of Household (Original): | Daughter | >> | Birth Year (Estimated): | 1920 | >> | Birthplace: | Idaho | >> | Father's Birthplace: | Missouri | >> | Mother's Birthplace: | Wisconsin | >> >> >> | Household | Role | Gender | Age | Birthplace | >> | John R Harrison | Head | M | 38 | Missouri | >> | Lily M Harrison | Wife | F | 37 | Wisconsin | >> | Keneth D Harrison | Son | M | 8 | Washington | >> | Ray E Harrison | Son | M | 2 | Washington | >> | Helen M Harrison | Daughter | F | 0 | Idaho | >> >> >> >> From: Gregory Holter via <norway@rootsweb.com> >> To: Lars E. Oyane <lars.e.oyane@sdsl.no>; "norway@rootsweb.com" <norway@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Monday, May 18, 2015 5:33 PM >> Subject: Re: [NOR] 2nd attempt: Obituary assistance Brinnon, WA - Newspaper assistance Stevenson, WA, please? >> >> Lars, >> >> After searching for a time for a Helen Mae Bartley born in February 1919 in the US censuses, I was drawing a blank. Most of the possibilities were born back in the eastern United States, which didn't really make sense to me. But then I noticed that in the 1940 census in the Sulphur Creek Election District in Lewis County, Washington, there is a Mae Bartley born 1919 married to a Bill Bartley. It says that she was born in Idaho. So maybe she was married previously to her marriage with Chester Melheim. >> >> Then I went searching for Bill Bartley and came up with a marriage record on 1 May 1937 in Pacific County, Washington, between a William Reve Bartley and a Helen May Harrison. The marriage record does not include birth dates or locations. >> >> So I wonder if this might be your Helen Mae Bartley. All of these events occurred in western Washington. But this is really circumstantial evidence, without some additional information. >> >> I checked and there are several Helen Bartleys in the 1930 census born in Idaho, but that census does not give birth month and year so I don't know how to pick her out from the possibilities easily. >> >> Greg Holter >> >> >> From: Lars E. Oyane via <norway@rootsweb.com> >> >> >> To: norway@rootsweb.com >> Sent: Monday, May 18, 2015 4:50 PM >> Subject: [NOR] 2nd attempt: Obituary assistance Brinnon, WA - Newspaper assistance Stevenson, WA, please? >> >> Dear Listers, >> >> This inquiry was posted about three months ago together with two inquiries for obituaries from Puyallup, WA. Cliff helped me with the ones from Puyallup, WA, but this one from Brinnon, WA is still unsolved: >> >> Helen Mae MELHEIM, nee Bartley >> born Feb. 10, 1919 - unknown where! >> died Feb. 19, 1984 - her cremains were buried in the Brinnon cemetery in Jefferson Co., WA >> >> She married Chester Earl Melheim (1925-2007) at Stevenson, WA Sep. 20, 1954, but they divorced within 10 years! >> >> I have not been able to find any funeral homes in Brinnon, WA, and my contact with nearby funeral homes in Bremerton, WA and other cities in Kitsap Co., WA has been to no avail. >> >> What I try to find out, is primarily: >> >> * The exact place of Helen's BIRTH? >> >> * The exact place of Helen's DEATH? >> >> * Year of their DIVORCE? >> >> This information would presumably be included in an OBITUARY for her, if one can be found? Or maybe their DIVORCE is referred in local newspapers? >> >> Thanks a million in advance for your great assistance in this matter! >> >> Very sincerely yours, >> >> Lars E. Oyane

http://jtenlen.drizzlehosting.com/walewis/resources.html Here is a link to Lewis County, WA information, I hope there is something there for you. On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 8:45 AM, Lars E. Oyane via <norway@rootsweb.com> wrote: > Dear Mark and other Listers! > > Thank you very much, Mark, for sending me off-list William Kenneth > Bartley's obituary, which, as I read it, makes it quite clear he was NOT > the William Bartley who married Helen Mae Harrison! > > So, I went back to my working "booth" and discovered that "our" William > Bartley had REVE for a middle name, and I find he was a native of Sulphur > Creek, Lewis Co., WA where he lived with Helen Mae in 1940. He was born > there on Nov. 27, 1910 as the son of George W. and Evelyn Bartley, both > natives of KY! > > I don't find a death record for this William Bartley, but this fact > doesn't change our conclusion as far as Helen Mae's identity is concerned; > however, it does mean we still need Helen Mae's obituary after all! So, > where can it be found?? > > Thanks again for your wonderful assistance in this matter! > > Very sincerely yours, > > Lars E. Oyane > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > On May 19, 2015, at 4:57 AM, Lars E. Oyane via wrote: > > > Dear Jerrald, Greg and other Listers! > > > > Thank you very much for your latest messages in regard to Helen Bartley > Melheim and her background! > > > > I had also seen that Helen Bartley from Virginia referred to by Jerrald, > but didn't feel quite comfortable with her, so I was indeed happy when you, > Greg, introduced me to Helen Mae Harrison Bartley from the 1940 census for > Lewis Co., WA! And I have found proof on ancestry.com she's the one! > > > > But first I find that William Kenneth Bartley, born in WA June 20, 1910, > died at Pt. Townsend, Jefferson Co., WA Feb. 2, 1973. He is buried in the > Laurel Grove cemetery at Pt. Townsend, and find-a-grave refers to his > obituary as follows: > > > > "Bartley William Kenneth 2/2/1973 2/8/1973 Newsp - Col 4 - can be > obtained through Jefferson Co., Hist. Soc." > > > > He appears to be buried alone, i.e. no wife is there next to him. Maybe > his obituary would also be available online somewhere? > > > > Then I tried Helen Mae Harrison, born in Idaho in 1919, on ancestry.com, > and here comes up a "Bradley Ann Brown (Barrows) family tree giving Helen > Mae's birth and death dates identical to "our" Helen Mae Melheim!! And it > appears that she was in 1930 residing with her mother and her 2nd husband > Jack Poor at Brinnon, Jefferson Co., WA, thus explaining her connection to > that place! > > > > What now remains to find out, or to verify, are: > > > > * Helen Mae's exact place of birth (Blaine Co., ID?)? > > > > * Helen Mae's exact place of death (Brinnon, WA?)? > > > > * How many sons/daughters did Helen Mae have by her 1st husband William > Bartley? > > > > * Years of Helen Mae divorces? (may be hard to find...) > > > > Thanks again for your wonderful assistance with this "enigma" which now > appears to be ALMOST solved! > > > > Very sincerely yours, > > > > Lars E. Oyane > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > > On May 18, 2015, at 8:57 PM, Gregory Holter via wrote: > > > >> This COULD be the correct Helen in the 1920 census, in Muldoon, Blaine > County, Idaho. She is shown as Helen M Harrison and is 11/12 years old in > 19 January 1920 which would match her 10 February 1919 birthdate. But hard > to tell. > >> > >> > >> > >> | Name: | Helen M Harrison | > >> | Event Type: | Census | > >> | Event Year: | 1920 | > >> | Event Place: | Muldoon, Blaine, Idaho, United States | > >> | Gender: | Female | > >> | Age: | 0 | > >> | Marital Status: | Single | > >> | Race: | White | > >> | Race (Original): | White | > >> | Relationship to Head of Household: | Daughter | > >> | Relationship to Head of Household (Original): | Daughter | > >> | Birth Year (Estimated): | 1920 | > >> | Birthplace: | Idaho | > >> | Father's Birthplace: | Missouri | > >> | Mother's Birthplace: | Wisconsin | > >> > >> > >> | Household | Role | Gender | Age | Birthplace | > >> | John R Harrison | Head | M | 38 | Missouri | > >> | Lily M Harrison | Wife | F | 37 | Wisconsin | > >> | Keneth D Harrison | Son | M | 8 | Washington | > >> | Ray E Harrison | Son | M | 2 | Washington | > >> | Helen M Harrison | Daughter | F | 0 | Idaho | > >> > >> > >> > >> From: Gregory Holter via <norway@rootsweb.com> > >> To: Lars E. Oyane <lars.e.oyane@sdsl.no>; "norway@rootsweb.com" < > norway@rootsweb.com> > >> Sent: Monday, May 18, 2015 5:33 PM > >> Subject: Re: [NOR] 2nd attempt: Obituary assistance Brinnon, WA - > Newspaper assistance Stevenson, WA, please? > >> > >> Lars, > >> > >> After searching for a time for a Helen Mae Bartley born in February > 1919 in the US censuses, I was drawing a blank. Most of the possibilities > were born back in the eastern United States, which didn't really make sense > to me. But then I noticed that in the 1940 census in the Sulphur Creek > Election District in Lewis County, Washington, there is a Mae Bartley born > 1919 married to a Bill Bartley. It says that she was born in Idaho. So > maybe she was married previously to her marriage with Chester Melheim. > >> > >> Then I went searching for Bill Bartley and came up with a marriage > record on 1 May 1937 in Pacific County, Washington, between a William Reve > Bartley and a Helen May Harrison. The marriage record does not include > birth dates or locations. > >> > >> So I wonder if this might be your Helen Mae Bartley. All of these > events occurred in western Washington. But this is really circumstantial > evidence, without some additional information. > >> > >> I checked and there are several Helen Bartleys in the 1930 census born > in Idaho, but that census does not give birth month and year so I don't > know how to pick her out from the possibilities easily. > >> > >> Greg Holter > >> > >> > >> From: Lars E. Oyane via <norway@rootsweb.com> > >> > >> > >> To: norway@rootsweb.com > >> Sent: Monday, May 18, 2015 4:50 PM > >> Subject: [NOR] 2nd attempt: Obituary assistance Brinnon, WA - Newspaper > assistance Stevenson, WA, please? > >> > >> Dear Listers, > >> > >> This inquiry was posted about three months ago together with two > inquiries for obituaries from Puyallup, WA. Cliff helped me with the ones > from Puyallup, WA, but this one from Brinnon, WA is still unsolved: > >> > >> Helen Mae MELHEIM, nee Bartley > >> born Feb. 10, 1919 - unknown where! > >> died Feb. 19, 1984 - her cremains were buried in the Brinnon cemetery > in Jefferson Co., WA > >> > >> She married Chester Earl Melheim (1925-2007) at Stevenson, WA Sep. 20, > 1954, but they divorced within 10 years! > >> > >> I have not been able to find any funeral homes in Brinnon, WA, and my > contact with nearby funeral homes in Bremerton, WA and other cities in > Kitsap Co., WA has been to no avail. > >> > >> What I try to find out, is primarily: > >> > >> * The exact place of Helen's BIRTH? > >> > >> * The exact place of Helen's DEATH? > >> > >> * Year of their DIVORCE? > >> > >> This information would presumably be included in an OBITUARY for her, > if one can be found? Or maybe their DIVORCE is referred in local > newspapers? > >> > >> Thanks a million in advance for your great assistance in this matter! > >> > >> Very sincerely yours, > >> > >> Lars E. Oyane > > Norwaylist Archiveshttp:// > archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=norway > > RESUBSCRIBE UNSUB > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/NOR/NORWAY.html > > guidelines http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~norway/guidelines.htm > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NORWAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I checked Newspapers.com, which does have some Everett newspapers. but none that published after 1922, and there was nothing--for Holte, Hill, or Davey. I rechecked the Genealogy Bank 1900-1920 articles for Emma Hill in Seattle and none were your Emma. Marian On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 12:10 AM, Lars E. Oyane <lars.e.oyane@sdsl.no> wrote: > Dear Marian and other Listers! > > Thank you very much for your comment on Emma Holte Hill Davey! > > I was afraid there wouldn't be much to be found in the Seattle, WA paper > in regard to Emma Davey, and am I right to believe, the Genealogy Bank > doesn't include the smaller newspapers from Stanwood or Everett? > > By the way, Marian, you mention that you have tried looking for Emma under > the Holte and Davey last names, but did you try under the name Emma HILL? > > The city directories from Seattle, WA from the early 1900's prior to 1918 > referred to by ancestry.com include several Emma Hills, and we have of > course no way of keeping them from eachother as long as they don't say like > "Emma HILL (wid. Erick)", but the articles themselves might have some > information connecting them to "our" Emma? > > I should add that a couple of the Everett, WA city directories from > 1903-1907 refer to an "Emma HILL (wid. James)", who appears to be a Mrs. > Emma Hill from the 1900 Everett, WA census born in WI Dec. of 1876 with > parents came from MI and VT. Maybe her husband was James, but I see no > mention of him! > > I feel we are so close to finding the answer to what happened to Erick and > where Emma was at the time, and yet they sure hide extremely well!! There > just has to be some write-up about this couple somewhere!? > > Thanks again for your wonderful assistance in this matter! > > Very sincerely yours, > > Lars E. Oyane > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > On May 18, 2015, at 8:30 PM, Marian Hill via wrote: > > I have a Genealogy Bank subscription, but I'm not finding much. > > There is a simple death notice in the Seattle Daily Times for March 14, > 1931 > > " > ​Davey, Emma - 1600 Terry Ave., 37 - March 12" > > There are some other references to an Emma Davey, but they are from 1939, > 1943, and 1949--too late for your Emma. > > There are also some articles about women named Emma Holte, but none are the > right Emma. > > Marian > > > ​ > > On Mon, May 18, 2015 at 5:14 PM, Lars E. Oyane via <norway@rootsweb.com> > wrote: > > Dear Mark and other Listers! > > > Thank you very much, Mark, for your efforts on my behalf. I am so > > grateful, but I guess we can only regret that Portland newspapers are so > > hard to find... > > > Now, you mention finding references to his wife Emma Hill in "Genealogy > > Bank" in the Washington newspapers. Do we have any listers who subscribe > > to that and who may be willing to help me? I would be so happy and for > > ever indebted... > > > Thanks again for your great assistance in this matter! > > > Very sincerely yours, > > > Lars E. Oyane > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > On May 18, 2015, at 6:52 PM, Mark Erickson via wrote: > > > I looked for this man today, but noticed that there are very limited > > Portland newspapers for the year he died. I’m not sure why. There are > > plenty of other Oregon papers, but Portland seems to be missing 1894. Not > > just online, but also in microfilms. I haven’t done extensive research into > > the papers available for that date in Portland, but I did find him in the > > Oregon archives online. It says he died 2 April 1894, City of Portland. > > > His wife seems to show up in GenealogyBank in the Washington newspapers, > > but I don’t have a subscription to that. > > > -Mark > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > >

I did look under Hill, but there were so many that I didn't mention them. (I'm used to that with the name Hill!!) Genealogy Bank doesn't have Starwood or Everett newspapers. I also have a Newspapers.com subscription, so I'll check there. Marian On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 12:10 AM, Lars E. Oyane <lars.e.oyane@sdsl.no> wrote: > Dear Marian and other Listers! > > Thank you very much for your comment on Emma Holte Hill Davey! > > I was afraid there wouldn't be much to be found in the Seattle, WA paper > in regard to Emma Davey, and am I right to believe, the Genealogy Bank > doesn't include the smaller newspapers from Stanwood or Everett? > > By the way, Marian, you mention that you have tried looking for Emma under > the Holte and Davey last names, but did you try under the name Emma HILL? > > The city directories from Seattle, WA from the early 1900's prior to 1918 > referred to by ancestry.com include several Emma Hills, and we have of > course no way of keeping them from eachother as long as they don't say like > "Emma HILL (wid. Erick)", but the articles themselves might have some > information connecting them to "our" Emma? > > I should add that a couple of the Everett, WA city directories from > 1903-1907 refer to an "Emma HILL (wid. James)", who appears to be a Mrs. > Emma Hill from the 1900 Everett, WA census born in WI Dec. of 1876 with > parents came from MI and VT. Maybe her husband was James, but I see no > mention of him! > > I feel we are so close to finding the answer to what happened to Erick and > where Emma was at the time, and yet they sure hide extremely well!! There > just has to be some write-up about this couple somewhere!? > > Thanks again for your wonderful assistance in this matter! > > Very sincerely yours, > > Lars E. Oyane > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > On May 18, 2015, at 8:30 PM, Marian Hill via wrote: > > I have a Genealogy Bank subscription, but I'm not finding much. > > There is a simple death notice in the Seattle Daily Times for March 14, > 1931 > > " > ​Davey, Emma - 1600 Terry Ave., 37 - March 12" > > There are some other references to an Emma Davey, but they are from 1939, > 1943, and 1949--too late for your Emma. > > There are also some articles about women named Emma Holte, but none are the > right Emma. > > Marian > > > ​ > > On Mon, May 18, 2015 at 5:14 PM, Lars E. Oyane via <norway@rootsweb.com> > wrote: > > Dear Mark and other Listers! > > > Thank you very much, Mark, for your efforts on my behalf. I am so > > grateful, but I guess we can only regret that Portland newspapers are so > > hard to find... > > > Now, you mention finding references to his wife Emma Hill in "Genealogy > > Bank" in the Washington newspapers. Do we have any listers who subscribe > > to that and who may be willing to help me? I would be so happy and for > > ever indebted... > > > Thanks again for your great assistance in this matter! > > > Very sincerely yours, > > > Lars E. Oyane > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > On May 18, 2015, at 6:52 PM, Mark Erickson via wrote: > > > I looked for this man today, but noticed that there are very limited > > Portland newspapers for the year he died. I’m not sure why. There are > > plenty of other Oregon papers, but Portland seems to be missing 1894. Not > > just online, but also in microfilms. I haven’t done extensive research into > > the papers available for that date in Portland, but I did find him in the > > Oregon archives online. It says he died 2 April 1894, City of Portland. > > > His wife seems to show up in GenealogyBank in the Washington newspapers, > > but I don’t have a subscription to that. > > > -Mark > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > >

Probably the only way you'll find the location of burial would be to obtain both death certificates. They each died late enough that the location of burial (and/or the name of the funeral home) is listed on death certificates. Unless you know someone who lives in LA who can go to the county courthouse and look up the info, it would likely be easier to order them via the county (or vital statistics department in Sacramento)..., and specify that you want a photocopy of the original document, not a certified copy, and make sure they know you are looking for the location of burial. Beste, Bev ----- Original Message ----- From: Carol Whitley Larson via <norway@rootsweb.com> To: norway@rootsweb.com Cc: Sent: Monday, May 18, 2015 8:15 PM Subject: [NOR] Where are George and Lena Swenson buried? I have tracked Olena (Lena or Oline) Christopherson (or Thorson) born 25 Feb 1863 in York, Fillmore county Minnesota and her husband George Swenson (born 19 Nov 1857 in Norway) from their marriage 09 Jan 1881, Canfield, Fillmore county Minnesota to their years in St. Thomas, Pembina county, North Dakota to their final move before 1920 to Los Angeles. George dies in Los Angeles 21 of April 1947 and Lena dies the 7 Sep 1947, also in Los Angeles. We need help in finding where they are buried. Does anyone on the list have any suggestions on finding an obituary for either of them. I have tried Find a Grave but there are so many dead people in Los Angeles that it is hard to find where they are buried? Thanks for any ideas on where they could be! Carol in Kentucky

Dear Jerrald, Greg and other Listers! Thank you very much for your latest messages in regard to Helen Bartley Melheim and her background! I had also seen that Helen Bartley from Virginia referred to by Jerrald, but didn't feel quite comfortable with her, so I was indeed happy when you, Greg, introduced me to Helen Mae Harrison Bartley from the 1940 census for Lewis Co., WA! And I have found proof on ancestry.com she's the one! But first I find that William Kenneth Bartley, born in WA June 20, 1910, died at Pt. Townsend, Jefferson Co., WA Feb. 2, 1973. He is buried in the Laurel Grove cemetery at Pt. Townsend, and find-a-grave refers to his obituary as follows: "Bartley William Kenneth 2/2/1973 2/8/1973 Newsp - Col 4 - can be obtained through Jefferson Co., Hist. Soc." He appears to be buried alone, i.e. no wife is there next to him. Maybe his obituary would also be available online somewhere? Then I tried Helen Mae Harrison, born in Idaho in 1919, on ancestry.com, and here comes up a "Bradley Ann Brown (Barrows) family tree giving Helen Mae's birth and death dates identical to "our" Helen Mae Melheim!! And it appears that she was in 1930 residing with her mother and her 2nd husband Jack Poor at Brinnon, Jefferson Co., WA, thus explaining her connection to that place! What now remains to find out, or to verify, are: * Helen Mae's exact place of birth (Blaine Co., ID?)? * Helen Mae's exact place of death (Brinnon, WA?)? * How many sons/daughters did Helen Mae have by her 1st husband William Bartley? * Years of Helen Mae divorces? (may be hard to find...) Thanks again for your wonderful assistance with this "enigma" which now appears to be ALMOST solved! Very sincerely yours, Lars E. Oyane ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ On May 18, 2015, at 8:57 PM, Gregory Holter via wrote: > This COULD be the correct Helen in the 1920 census, in Muldoon, Blaine County, Idaho. She is shown as Helen M Harrison and is 11/12 years old in 19 January 1920 which would match her 10 February 1919 birthdate. But hard to tell. > > > > | Name: | Helen M Harrison | > | Event Type: | Census | > | Event Year: | 1920 | > | Event Place: | Muldoon, Blaine, Idaho, United States | > | Gender: | Female | > | Age: | 0 | > | Marital Status: | Single | > | Race: | White | > | Race (Original): | White | > | Relationship to Head of Household: | Daughter | > | Relationship to Head of Household (Original): | Daughter | > | Birth Year (Estimated): | 1920 | > | Birthplace: | Idaho | > | Father's Birthplace: | Missouri | > | Mother's Birthplace: | Wisconsin | > > > | Household | Role | Gender | Age | Birthplace | > | John R Harrison | Head | M | 38 | Missouri | > | Lily M Harrison | Wife | F | 37 | Wisconsin | > | Keneth D Harrison | Son | M | 8 | Washington | > | Ray E Harrison | Son | M | 2 | Washington | > | Helen M Harrison | Daughter | F | 0 | Idaho | > > > > From: Gregory Holter via <norway@rootsweb.com> > To: Lars E. Oyane <lars.e.oyane@sdsl.no>; "norway@rootsweb.com" <norway@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, May 18, 2015 5:33 PM > Subject: Re: [NOR] 2nd attempt: Obituary assistance Brinnon, WA - Newspaper assistance Stevenson, WA, please? > > Lars, > > After searching for a time for a Helen Mae Bartley born in February 1919 in the US censuses, I was drawing a blank. Most of the possibilities were born back in the eastern United States, which didn't really make sense to me. But then I noticed that in the 1940 census in the Sulphur Creek Election District in Lewis County, Washington, there is a Mae Bartley born 1919 married to a Bill Bartley. It says that she was born in Idaho. So maybe she was married previously to her marriage with Chester Melheim. > > Then I went searching for Bill Bartley and came up with a marriage record on 1 May 1937 in Pacific County, Washington, between a William Reve Bartley and a Helen May Harrison. The marriage record does not include birth dates or locations. > > So I wonder if this might be your Helen Mae Bartley. All of these events occurred in western Washington. But this is really circumstantial evidence, without some additional information. > > I checked and there are several Helen Bartleys in the 1930 census born in Idaho, but that census does not give birth month and year so I don't know how to pick her out from the possibilities easily. > > Greg Holter > > > From: Lars E. Oyane via <norway@rootsweb.com> > > > To: norway@rootsweb.com > Sent: Monday, May 18, 2015 4:50 PM > Subject: [NOR] 2nd attempt: Obituary assistance Brinnon, WA - Newspaper assistance Stevenson, WA, please? > > Dear Listers, > > This inquiry was posted about three months ago together with two inquiries for obituaries from Puyallup, WA. Cliff helped me with the ones from Puyallup, WA, but this one from Brinnon, WA is still unsolved: > > Helen Mae MELHEIM, nee Bartley > born Feb. 10, 1919 - unknown where! > died Feb. 19, 1984 - her cremains were buried in the Brinnon cemetery in Jefferson Co., WA > > She married Chester Earl Melheim (1925-2007) at Stevenson, WA Sep. 20, 1954, but they divorced within 10 years! > > I have not been able to find any funeral homes in Brinnon, WA, and my contact with nearby funeral homes in Bremerton, WA and other cities in Kitsap Co., WA has been to no avail. > > What I try to find out, is primarily: > > * The exact place of Helen's BIRTH? > > * The exact place of Helen's DEATH? > > * Year of their DIVORCE? > > This information would presumably be included in an OBITUARY for her, if one can be found? Or maybe their DIVORCE is referred in local newspapers? > > Thanks a million in advance for your great assistance in this matter! > > Very sincerely yours, > > Lars E. Oyane

Dear Marian and other Listers! Thank you very much for your comment on Emma Holte Hill Davey! I was afraid there wouldn't be much to be found in the Seattle, WA paper in regard to Emma Davey, and am I right to believe, the Genealogy Bank doesn't include the smaller newspapers from Stanwood or Everett? By the way, Marian, you mention that you have tried looking for Emma under the Holte and Davey last names, but did you try under the name Emma HILL? The city directories from Seattle, WA from the early 1900's prior to 1918 referred to by ancestry.com include several Emma Hills, and we have of course no way of keeping them from eachother as long as they don't say like "Emma HILL (wid. Erick)", but the articles themselves might have some information connecting them to "our" Emma? I should add that a couple of the Everett, WA city directories from 1903-1907 refer to an "Emma HILL (wid. James)", who appears to be a Mrs. Emma Hill from the 1900 Everett, WA census born in WI Dec. of 1876 with parents came from MI and VT. Maybe her husband was James, but I see no mention of him! I feel we are so close to finding the answer to what happened to Erick and where Emma was at the time, and yet they sure hide extremely well!! There just has to be some write-up about this couple somewhere!? Thanks again for your wonderful assistance in this matter! Very sincerely yours, Lars E. Oyane ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ On May 18, 2015, at 8:30 PM, Marian Hill via wrote: > I have a Genealogy Bank subscription, but I'm not finding much. > > There is a simple death notice in the Seattle Daily Times for March 14, > 1931 > > " > ​Davey, Emma - 1600 Terry Ave., 37 - March 12" > > There are some other references to an Emma Davey, but they are from 1939, > 1943, and 1949--too late for your Emma. > > There are also some articles about women named Emma Holte, but none are the > right Emma. > > Marian > > > ​ > > On Mon, May 18, 2015 at 5:14 PM, Lars E. Oyane via <norway@rootsweb.com> > wrote: > >> Dear Mark and other Listers! >> >> Thank you very much, Mark, for your efforts on my behalf. I am so >> grateful, but I guess we can only regret that Portland newspapers are so >> hard to find... >> >> Now, you mention finding references to his wife Emma Hill in "Genealogy >> Bank" in the Washington newspapers. Do we have any listers who subscribe >> to that and who may be willing to help me? I would be so happy and for >> ever indebted... >> >> Thanks again for your great assistance in this matter! >> >> Very sincerely yours, >> >> Lars E. Oyane >> >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> >> On May 18, 2015, at 6:52 PM, Mark Erickson via wrote: >> >>> I looked for this man today, but noticed that there are very limited >> Portland newspapers for the year he died. I’m not sure why. There are >> plenty of other Oregon papers, but Portland seems to be missing 1894. Not >> just online, but also in microfilms. I haven’t done extensive research into >> the papers available for that date in Portland, but I did find him in the >> Oregon archives online. It says he died 2 April 1894, City of Portland. >>> >>> His wife seems to show up in GenealogyBank in the Washington newspapers, >> but I don’t have a subscription to that. >>> >>> -Mark >> >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

This COULD be the correct Helen in the 1920 census, in Muldoon, Blaine County, Idaho.  She is shown as Helen M Harrison and is 11/12 years old in 19 January 1920 which would match her 10 February 1919 birthdate.  But hard to tell. | Name: | Helen M Harrison | | Event Type: | Census | | Event Year: | 1920 | | Event Place: | Muldoon, Blaine, Idaho, United States | | Gender: | Female | | Age: | 0 | | Marital Status: | Single | | Race: | White | | Race (Original): | White | | Relationship to Head of Household: | Daughter | | Relationship to Head of Household (Original): | Daughter | | Birth Year (Estimated): | 1920 | | Birthplace: | Idaho | | Father's Birthplace: | Missouri | | Mother's Birthplace: | Wisconsin | | Household | Role | Gender | Age | Birthplace | | John R Harrison | Head | M | 38 | Missouri | | Lily M Harrison | Wife | F | 37 | Wisconsin | | Keneth D Harrison | Son | M | 8 | Washington | | Ray E Harrison | Son | M | 2 | Washington | | Helen M Harrison | Daughter | F | 0 | Idaho | From: Gregory Holter via <norway@rootsweb.com> To: Lars E. Oyane <lars.e.oyane@sdsl.no>; "norway@rootsweb.com" <norway@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, May 18, 2015 5:33 PM Subject: Re: [NOR] 2nd attempt: Obituary assistance Brinnon, WA - Newspaper assistance Stevenson, WA, please? Lars, After searching for a time for a Helen Mae Bartley born in February 1919 in the US censuses, I was drawing a blank.  Most of the possibilities were born back in the eastern United States, which didn't really make sense to me.  But then I noticed that in the 1940 census in the Sulphur Creek Election District in Lewis County, Washington, there is a Mae Bartley born 1919 married to a Bill Bartley.  It says that she was born in Idaho.  So maybe she was married previously to her marriage with Chester Melheim. Then  I went searching for Bill Bartley and came up with a marriage record on 1 May 1937 in Pacific County, Washington, between a William Reve Bartley and a Helen May Harrison.  The marriage record does not include birth dates or locations. So I wonder if this might be your Helen Mae Bartley.  All of these events occurred in western Washington.  But this is really circumstantial evidence, without some additional information. I checked and there are several Helen Bartleys in the 1930 census born in Idaho, but that census does not give birth month and year so I don't know how to pick her out from the possibilities easily. Greg Holter       From: Lars E. Oyane via <norway@rootsweb.com> To: norway@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, May 18, 2015 4:50 PM Subject: [NOR] 2nd attempt: Obituary assistance Brinnon, WA - Newspaper assistance Stevenson, WA, please?   Dear Listers, This inquiry was posted about three months ago together with two inquiries for obituaries from Puyallup, WA.  Cliff helped me with the ones from Puyallup, WA, but this one from Brinnon, WA is still unsolved: Helen Mae MELHEIM, nee Bartley born Feb. 10, 1919  - unknown where! died Feb. 19, 1984  - her cremains were buried in the Brinnon cemetery in Jefferson Co., WA She married Chester Earl Melheim (1925-2007) at Stevenson, WA Sep. 20, 1954, but they divorced within 10 years! I have not been able to find any funeral homes in Brinnon, WA, and my contact with nearby funeral homes in Bremerton, WA and other cities in Kitsap Co., WA has been to no avail. What I try to find out, is primarily: * The exact place of Helen's BIRTH? * The exact place of Helen's DEATH? * Year of their DIVORCE? This information would presumably be included in an OBITUARY for her, if one can be found?  Or maybe their DIVORCE is referred in local newspapers? Thanks a million in advance for your great assistance in this matter! Very sincerely yours, Lars E. Oyane   Norwaylist Archiveshttp://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=norway RESUBSCRIBE UNSUB http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/NOR/NORWAY.html guidelines http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~norway/guidelines.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORWAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message