Here's Ann's marriage record from MOMS: CROW WING O-042 10/02/1935 KUEHMICHEL, GEORGE W PELTO, ANN L George W Kuehmichel Gender: Male Residence Year: 1951 Street address: 516 S 10th Residence Place: Brainerd, Minnesota, USA Occupation: Switchman Spouse: Ann Kuehmichel Publication Title: Brainerd, Minnesota, City Directory, 1951 Wesley George Kuehmichel Birth Date: 7 Mar 1904 Birth Place: Crow Wing County, Minnesota, USA Death Date: 11 Feb 1956 Death Place: Ramsey County, Minnesota, USA Cemetery: Evergreen Cemetery Burial or Cremation Place: Brainerd, Crow Wing County, Minnesota, USA Has Bio?: Y Spouse: Ann L Kuehmichel Father: George I Kuehmichel Mother: Ida Kuehmichel Birth: Jan. 21, 1910 Death: Jul. 22, 1968 Crow Wing County Minnesota, USA Minnesota Death Index, 1908-2002 about Ann L. Kuehmichel Name: Ann L. Kuehmichel Birth Date: 21 Jan 1910 Death Date: 22 Jul 1968 Death County: Crow Wing Mother's Maiden Name: Lokula State File Number: 016995 Certificate Number: 016995 Certificate Year: 1968 Record Number: 1712969 Yvonne

Lars, Wallace, Idaho, is the Shoshone County seat, so the county may have some relevant records.  (I will be passing through Wallace a couple times in June, going back to North Dakota and returning later, but I don't believe I will be there at the right time of day or the right day of the week to be able to do anything at the county courthouse.) Also, USGenWeb lists some lookup volunteers for Shoshone County resources, although the website looks like it may be totally out of date.  And the Shoshone County Genealogical and Historical Society is located in Kellogg, Idaho and may be other resources. Wallace had a miner's strike in 1892 in which a number of lives were lost.  They also had a huge fire in 1910.  These events may well hinder the ability to track these people there. And just for fun, for those who may not be aware, Wallace is the self-proclaimed center of the universe.  The location marker is in the middle of a street intersection in downtown Wallace.  You can check that out on Wikipedia. Greg Holter From: Lars E. Oyane via <norway@rootsweb.com> To: norway@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 4:47 PM Subject: [NOR] Final attempt: Charles Shaw (1855) and Karen Kirstine Overboe (1865) - MT-ID-Canada? - newspaper items? Dear Listers! This is a problem that has bothered me for at least 25 years.  Maybe now has the time come to find the answer? ~~~~~~~~~~ Charles J(ames?) SHAW son of Daniel SHAW and Catherine TOOLE born about 1855 in Ottawa. ON probably lived 1881 in Yale & Hope, BC (railroad fireman) married Mar. 6, 1888 at Helena, MT Karen Kirstine aka Christine (Einersdotter) OVERBOE daughter of Einar OVERBOE and Margaret HILLESTAD born June 2, 1865 in Hafslo parish, Luster Co., Norway emigrated in 1876 marriage witnesses: George N. Southworth and Ena Stanley Charles SHAW was 1888 a bartender at Helena, MT, supposedly moved a few years later to Wallace, ID - then disappeared! Karen Kirstine's parents died in Vernon Co., WI in 1919 (Margaret) and 1923 (Einer), and at the time of Einer Overboe's death we learn that Karen Kirstine had died - apparently prior to 1918(?) - leaving two children: 1. Margaret SHAW 2. Donald SHAW These children were searched for by the Vernon Co., WI probate court, but they were never found! ~~~~~~~~~~ Is it possible today, 90 years later, to figure out what happened to Karen Kirstine "Christine", Charles and their children? Could there be newspaper notices telling about them? Any suggestions would be more than welcome, and I would be for ever indebted to anyone who reveals their destiny! Very sincerely yours, Lars E. Oyane

Dear Mark and other Listers! Thank you very much, Mark, for your latest messages, one of which came off list with Pelto/Kuehmichel obituaries. It appears from the obituaries that Kay was never adopted. Maybe she was just raised by George and Ann after her parents, Doris and Arthur Blanchard were divorced in he early 1940's? If so she MAY be the: BLANCHARD, Kay Leone - married in Hennepin Co., MN June 15, 1958 to Thomas Harley FIFE? Maybe these are their children: Name: Elizabet K Fife Birth Date: 27 Nov 1963 Gender: Female Mother's Maiden Name: Blanchar Birth County: Los Angeles Name: Michael T Fife Birth Date: 24 Jul 1967 Gender: Male Mother's Maiden Name: Blanchar Birth County: Los Angeles Maybe some of these Fifes can be located? It'll be exciting to see what he day will bring... Thanks again for your great assistance in this matter! Very sincerely yours, Lars E. Oyane ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ On May 26, 2015, at 9:50 PM, Mark Erickson via wrote: > Looks like her name was Kay Leon. > > Brainer Daily Dispatch; 27 Nov., 1941 > Mr. & Mrs. George Kuehmichel Sr., recently had as out-of-town dinner guests at their home, Hazel Kuehmichel, Mr. and Mrs. A. L. Blanchard and daughter, Kay Leon, and Frank Schaaf, all of Minneapolis. Local guests included Mr. and Mrs. R. Kuehmichel and son and Mrs. Tony Anderson and daughter and Mr. and Mrs. George Kuehmichel. > > -Mark > On May 26, 2015, at 7:40 PM, Lars E. Oyane via wrote: > >> Dear Greg, Bev and other Listers! >> >> Thank you very much for your interesting messages in regard to the Pelto-Kuehmichel problem of mine! >> >> I didn't have much luck reaching anyone yesterday (on Memorial Day), but today I have talked to the cemetery as well as to the Funeral Home in Brainerd, MN, however, to no avail. I made an appointment to call back to the Funeral Home tomorrow, just in case that something shows up, but I am not too optimistic... >> >> However, this evening I was finally able to reach one of Ann Pelto Kuehmichel's nephews in Granite Falls, MN. He didn't know either, but he told me George and Ann (Pelto) Kuehmichel had adopted a daughter. He thought her name was Kay Kuehmichel, but he had lost track of her! It seems she married a Doctor and moved to California, but the last name was unknown! However, he would ask around, and maybe he could find out... I will call him again tomorrow as well! Or maybe someone on the list can in the meantime help me locate this Doctor's wife in California? >> >> I still need to contact the Trinity Lutheran church in Brainerd, MN, which I also intend to do tomorrow... So, I keep busy...! >> >> Thanks again for your great assistance with this problem! >> >> Very sincerely yours, >> >> Lars E. Oyane >> >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> >> On May 25, 2015, at 10:35 AM, Greg Hanson via wrote: >> >>> They were married at Trinity Lutheran in Brainerd MN, on 2 Oct 1935. >>> >>> Ancestry has the scans of hundreds of Lutheran churches. They just added these to their collection in mid-April. >>> >>> I searched thru the Trinity records, and didn't find any confirmation for any the Pelto children. I also ran their names thru the searchable database for these records (which isn't complete). The only thing I did find is Doris Pelto's marriage to Harry B Olson on 11 Nov 1936. George and Anna L were witnesses at that wedding, but Anna's middle name isn't given, just the initial L. >>> >>> Greg in MN >>> >>> Subject: Re: [NOR] What was Ann L. Pelto Kuehmichel's middle name? >>> From: lars.e.oyane@sdsl.no >>> Date: Mon, 25 May 2015 02:47:23 -0500 >>> CC: gatshanson1@msn.com; waxlerfarms@frontier.com >>> To: norway@rootsweb.com >>> >>> Dear Yvonne, Greg Holter, Greg Hanson and other Listers! >>> Thank you very much to all of you for your messages and suggestions in regard to Ann Pelto Kuehmichel's middle name. I agree that LOKULA is a good possibility, being her mother's maiden name, but I wouldn't write that for sure as long as I haven't discussed it with family members. >>> I have this morning written to the owner of that ancestry.com family tree, and I have also located names and phone numbers for two of Doris Pelto Olson's children in MN, which I will try later on today when I know I don't wake anyone up from his/her beauty sleep... >>> By the way, you, Greg Hanson, mention the church records where George and Ann were married. Can you please tell me which church this was? They might have confirmation records as well, where Ann's middle name MAY show up...? >>> Thanks again for your great information! >>> Very sincerely yours, >>> Lars E. Oyane >>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >>> On May 24, 2015, at 11:25 PM, Greg Hanson via wrote:Here's a thought. According to the MN death index, Ann's mother's maiden name was LOKULA, it is not uncommon for children to be given their mother's maiden name as a middle name. >>> >>> To: norway@rootsweb.com >>> Date: Mon, 25 May 2015 00:39:58 +0000 >>> Subject: Re: [NOR] What was Ann L. Pelto Kuehmichel's middle name? >>> From: norway@rootsweb.com >>> >>> the 1930 census records show that Ann was born in Minnesota, and had two sisters, Doris age 15 and Mary age 25. According to the church records, Doris was a witness at Ann's wedding. >>> >>> Maybe you could track down her sisters, and get some information that way. >>> >>> Greg in MN >>> >>> >>> Date: Mon, 25 May 2015 00:26:22 +0000 >>> To: lars.e.oyane@sdsl.no; norway@rootsweb.com >>> Subject: Re: [NOR] What was Ann L. Pelto Kuehmichel's middle name? >>> From: norway@rootsweb.com >>> >>> Lars, >>> >>> I have a former co-worker who is a Pelto, so I checked with him, just on the chance that he might be related to this Ann L. Pelto. But unfortunately they are not related as far as he knows. >>> >>> Other searches I have tried on this have not turned up anything useful that you don't already have, either. >>> >>> Greg Holter >>> >>> From: Lars E. Oyane via <norway@rootsweb.com> >>> To: norway@rootsweb.com >>> Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2015 1:22 PM >>> Subject: [NOR] What was Ann L. Pelto Kuehmichel's middle name? >>> >>> Dear Listers! >>> >>> I have a feeling I have searched all over the place, but I just canno find trhe middle name of this lady: >>> >>> Ann L. PELTO >>> born Jan. 21, 1910 in Gogebic Co., MI >>> parents Otto and Amanda Pelto (Finnish) >>> married Oct. 2, 1935 in Brainerd, MN to >>> Wesley George aka George W. KUEHMICHEL >>> born Mar. 7, 1904 in Crow Wing Co., MN >>> parents George Kuehmichel and Ingrid "Ida" Walaker from Luster Co., Norway >>> >>> Ann and George resided at Brainerd, MN >>> >>> George died Feb. 11, 1956 in St. Paul, MN >>> Ann died July 22, 1968 in Brainerd, MN >>> They had no children. >>> >>> Any suggestions how we can find Ann's middle name, will be very welcome! >>> >>> Very sincerely yours, >>> >>> Lars E. Oyane >>

Dear Doris, Greg, Earl and other Listers! Thank you very much to all of you for your encouraging messages in regard to my SHAW problem! This family has been one of the most frustrating ones I have ever been researching, but I have managed to trace families before which probate courts, whether it be in Norway (one case from the 1910's - later also tried by the Salvation Army!) or in Yankton Co., SD (one case from the 1920's which I solved in part), never did, so I haven't given up quite yet. My philosophy is fairly simple: These people just have to be out there somewhere - we only have to look at "the right place"! I have now written to the Shoshone Co., ID GenWeb Site, i.e. I addressed my inquiry to the main site as well as to the two volunteers listed. My messages to the volunteers immediately bounced back to me as "undeliverable", but hopefully someone at the main site will receive it - and attend to it! I am unable to provide further details about these family members, but we must presume that Karen Kirstine "Christine" died prior to 1900 (since she is nowhere to be found), and I guess the children, born between 1889 and 1892(?), MAY have been raised at some orphanage, or they may have moved with their father back to Canada? I just don't know. Your guesses are just as good as mine! I did at one time "play" with the thought Margaret Shaw had been married in Idaho and found the following "possibilities": * Maggie SHAW - married Jan. 18, 1914 in Adams Co., ID to Amos SHAW * Margrette L. SHAW - married Dec. 3, 1927 in Valley Co., ID to Clifford Marion DOTSON The latter may be somewhat too young, but how about the former? This must be her in the 1930 census for Oroville township, Butte Co., CA: BRAY, Joseph T 37 OR IN OR fruit farm foreman BRAY, Margaret C 35 ID IA IA wife SHAW, Elitha G 15 ID IA ID stepdaughter SHAW, Amos O 9 ID ID ID stepson And here she is in the 1920 census from Tamarack township, Adams Co., ID: SHAW, A. G. 25 IA US US sawmill laborer SHAW, Margaret 26 ID US US wife SHAW, Aletha 4 11/12 ID IA ID daughter SHAW, Stella 3 1/12 ID IA ID daughter Here is her birth record, which reveals she's NOT he one we want: Name: Margarete Catherine Shaw Birth Date: 20 Sep 1893 Birth Place: Parma, Canyon, Idaho, USA Father Name: Ben Shaw Father Age: 27 Father Birth Place: Iowa Mother Name: Catherine Rebecca Bacus Mother Age: 21 Mother Birth Place: Missouri So, back to square #one again... Thanks again to all of you for your interest and great assistance in this matter! Very sincerely yours, Lars E. Oyane ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ On May 27, 2015, at 12:37 AM, Earl Sande via wrote: > Place like Yale were reported in the Victoria Colonist. I did a check > at the University of British Columbia index - includes transcribed > papers only, but no Charles J. Shaw. > > If you want to check for yourself try search for Victoria Colonist > Indexes, then to UBC site. > > Earl > On May 26, 2015, at 10:27 PM, Gregory Holter via wrote: > Lars, > > Wallace, Idaho, is the Shoshone County seat, so the county may have some relevant records. (I will be passing through Wallace a couple times in June, going back to North Dakota and returning later, but I don't believe I will be there at the right time of day or the right day of the week to be able to do anything at the county courthouse.) > > Also, USGenWeb lists some lookup volunteers for Shoshone County resources, although the website looks like it may be totally out of date. And the Shoshone County Genealogical and Historical Society is located in Kellogg, Idaho and may be other resources. > > Wallace had a miner's strike in 1892 in which a number of lives were lost. They also had a huge fire in 1910. These events may well hinder the ability to track these people there. > > And just for fun, for those who may not be aware, Wallace is the self-proclaimed center of the universe. The location marker is in the middle of a street intersection in downtown Wallace. You can check that out on Wikipedia. > > Greg Holter > On 26/05/2015 7:12 PM, Doris Waggoner via wrote: >> Lars, >> >> Not to be too discouraging, but in the 1880s, all those places--Helena MT, >> Wallace ID, and Yale and Hope BC, were very much frontier towns. Helena >> and Wallace were mining towns until the mid 20th c. and may have had >> newspapers but it's doubtful they kept vital records. I had a friend who >> lived in Hope BC in the early 20th c. and even then it was a wide spot in >> the road so probably didn't even have a newspaper. Even in 2000, Helena >> had a population of 26,000; Wallace, 960; Hope, 6,200; and Yale,171. >> These numbers are from my Rand McNally Road Atlas, from the 2000 census. >> >> Helena's clearly your best bet by far for finding a newspaper record of >> their marriage. If he was a bartender--an important occupation in a mining >> town--their marriage might show up in the newspaper. We all long sometimes >> for the 1890 census, and this is one of those times. >> >> Do you have any idea of the birth years of Margaret and Donald Shaw, and >> where they were born? That might help find them prior to 1918. >> >> Good luck! >> Doris >> >> On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 4:47 PM, Lars E. Oyane <lars.e.oyane@sdsl.no> wrote: >> >>> Dear Listers! >>> >>> This is a problem that has bothered me for at least 25 years. Maybe now >>> has the time come to find the answer? >>> >>> ~~~~~~~~~~ >>> >>> *Charles J(ames?) SHAW* >>> son of Daniel SHAW and Catherine TOOLE >>> born about 1855 in Ottawa. ON >>> probably lived 1881 in Yale & Hope, BC (railroad fireman) >>> >>> married Mar. 6, 1888 at Helena, MT >>> >>> *Karen Kirstine aka Christine (Einersdotter) OVERBOE* >>> daughter of Einar OVERBOE and Margaret HILLESTAD >>> born June 2, 1865 in Hafslo parish, Luster Co., Norway >>> emigrated in 1876 >>> >>> marriage witnesses: George N. Southworth and Ena Stanley >>> >>> Charles SHAW was 1888 a bartender at *Helena, MT*, supposedly moved a few >>> years later to *Wallace, ID *- then disappeared! >>> >>> Karen Kirstine's parents died in Vernon Co., WI in 1919 (Margaret) and >>> 1923 (Einer), and at the time of Einer Overboe's death we learn that Karen >>> Kirstine had died - apparently prior to 1918(?) - leaving two children: >>> >>> 1. *Margaret SHAW* >>> >>> 2. *Donald SHAW* >>> >>> These children were searched for by the Vernon Co., WI probate court, but >>> they were never found! >>> >>> ~~~~~~~~~~ >>> >>> Is it possible today, 90 years later, to figure out what happened to Karen >>> Kirstine "Christine", Charles and their children? >>> >>> Could there be newspaper notices telling about them? >>> >>> Any suggestions would be more than welcome, and I would be for ever >>> indebted to anyone who reveals their destiny! >>> >>> Very sincerely yours, >>> >>> Lars E. Oyane

Place like Yale were reported in the Victoria Colonist. I did a check at the University of British Columbia index - includes transcribed papers only, but no Charles J. Shaw. If you want to check for yourself try search for Victoria Colonist Indexes, then to UBC site. Earl On 26/05/2015 7:12 PM, Doris Waggoner via wrote: > Lars, > > Not to be too discouraging, but in the 1880s, all those places--Helena MT, > Wallace ID, and Yale and Hope BC, were very much frontier towns. Helena > and Wallace were mining towns until the mid 20th c. and may have had > newspapers but it's doubtful they kept vital records. I had a friend who > lived in Hope BC in the early 20th c. and even then it was a wide spot in > the road so probably didn't even have a newspaper. Even in 2000, Helena > had a population of 26,000; Wallace, 960; Hope, 6,200; and Yale,171. > These numbers are from my Rand McNally Road Atlas, from the 2000 census. > > Helena's clearly your best bet by far for finding a newspaper record of > their marriage. If he was a bartender--an important occupation in a mining > town--their marriage might show up in the newspaper. We all long sometimes > for the 1890 census, and this is one of those times. > > Do you have any idea of the birth years of Margaret and Donald Shaw, and > where they were born? That might help find them prior to 1918. > > Good luck! > Doris > > On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 4:47 PM, Lars E. Oyane <lars.e.oyane@sdsl.no> wrote: > >> Dear Listers! >> >> This is a problem that has bothered me for at least 25 years. Maybe now >> has the time come to find the answer? >> >> ~~~~~~~~~~ >> >> *Charles J(ames?) SHAW* >> son of Daniel SHAW and Catherine TOOLE >> born about 1855 in Ottawa. ON >> probably lived 1881 in Yale & Hope, BC (railroad fireman) >> >> married Mar. 6, 1888 at Helena, MT >> >> *Karen Kirstine aka Christine (Einersdotter) OVERBOE* >> daughter of Einar OVERBOE and Margaret HILLESTAD >> born June 2, 1865 in Hafslo parish, Luster Co., Norway >> emigrated in 1876 >> >> marriage witnesses: George N. Southworth and Ena Stanley >> >> Charles SHAW was 1888 a bartender at *Helena, MT*, supposedly moved a few >> years later to *Wallace, ID *- then disappeared! >> >> Karen Kirstine's parents died in Vernon Co., WI in 1919 (Margaret) and >> 1923 (Einer), and at the time of Einer Overboe's death we learn that Karen >> Kirstine had died - apparently prior to 1918(?) - leaving two children: >> >> 1. *Margaret SHAW* >> >> 2. *Donald SHAW* >> >> These children were searched for by the Vernon Co., WI probate court, but >> they were never found! >> >> ~~~~~~~~~~ >> >> Is it possible today, 90 years later, to figure out what happened to Karen >> Kirstine "Christine", Charles and their children? >> >> Could there be newspaper notices telling about them? >> >> Any suggestions would be more than welcome, and I would be for ever >> indebted to anyone who reveals their destiny! >> >> Very sincerely yours, >> >> Lars E. Oyane >> >> >> >> >> > Norwaylist Archiveshttp://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=norway > > RESUBSCRIBE UNSUB > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/NOR/NORWAY.html > > guidelines http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~norway/guidelines.htm > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORWAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Looks like her name was Kay Leon. Brainer Daily Dispatch; 27 Nov., 1941 Mr. & Mrs. George Kuehmichel Sr., recently had as out-of-town dinner guests at their home, Hazel Kuehmichel, Mr. and Mrs. A. L. Blanchard and daughter, Kay Leon, and Frank Schaaf, all of Minneapolis. Local guests included Mr. and Mrs. R. Kuehmichel and son and Mrs. Tony Anderson and daughter and Mr. and Mrs. George Kuehmichel. -Mark

Hello Clark Documents probably made in Norway, by Norwegians, for Norwegians :) Have a nice day :) Halvor In Lier -----Opprinnelig melding----- From: C&M Pederson via Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 11:31 AM To: nukilik ; norway@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NOR] a lot of old literature/genealogy Hei, Reina. First I will have to learn Norwegian..... :-( I find no English site working....... Clark in Japan On 26-May-15 06:17 PM, nukilik via wrote: > Hello Listers, > I came across this site with a lot of links to old genealogy. Very > interesting in my opinion. > > <http://genealogi.no/kilder/index.htm> > > Some links to the NST does not work. But there are enough other links > working well. > Be aware of a sleepless night if you want to read all this stuff!!! > Reina Norwaylist Archiveshttp://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=norway

Dear Greg, Bev and other Listers! Thank you very much for your interesting messages in regard to the Pelto-Kuehmichel problem of mine! I didn't have much luck reaching anyone yesterday (on Memorial Day), but today I have talked to the cemetery as well as to the Funeral Home in Brainerd, MN, however, to no avail. I made an appointment to call back to the Funeral Home tomorrow, just in case that something shows up, but I am not too optimistic... However, this evening I was finally able to reach one of Ann Pelto Kuehmichel's nephews in Granite Falls, MN. He didn't know either, but he told me George and Ann (Pelto) Kuehmichel had adopted a daughter. He thought her name was Kay Kuehmichel, but he had lost track of her! It seems she married a Doctor and moved to California, but the last name was unknown! However, he would ask around, and maybe he could find out... I will call him again tomorrow as well! Or maybe someone on the list can in the meantime help me locate this Doctor's wife in California? I still need to contact the Trinity Lutheran church in Brainerd, MN, which I also intend to do tomorrow... So, I keep busy...! Thanks again for your great assistance with this problem! Very sincerely yours, Lars E. Oyane ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ On May 25, 2015, at 10:35 AM, Greg Hanson via wrote: > They were married at Trinity Lutheran in Brainerd MN, on 2 Oct 1935. > > Ancestry has the scans of hundreds of Lutheran churches. They just added these to their collection in mid-April. > > I searched thru the Trinity records, and didn't find any confirmation for any the Pelto children. I also ran their names thru the searchable database for these records (which isn't complete). The only thing I did find is Doris Pelto's marriage to Harry B Olson on 11 Nov 1936. George and Anna L were witnesses at that wedding, but Anna's middle name isn't given, just the initial L. > > Greg in MN > > Subject: Re: [NOR] What was Ann L. Pelto Kuehmichel's middle name? > From: lars.e.oyane@sdsl.no > Date: Mon, 25 May 2015 02:47:23 -0500 > CC: gatshanson1@msn.com; waxlerfarms@frontier.com > To: norway@rootsweb.com > > Dear Yvonne, Greg Holter, Greg Hanson and other Listers! > Thank you very much to all of you for your messages and suggestions in regard to Ann Pelto Kuehmichel's middle name. I agree that LOKULA is a good possibility, being her mother's maiden name, but I wouldn't write that for sure as long as I haven't discussed it with family members. > I have this morning written to the owner of that ancestry.com family tree, and I have also located names and phone numbers for two of Doris Pelto Olson's children in MN, which I will try later on today when I know I don't wake anyone up from his/her beauty sleep... > By the way, you, Greg Hanson, mention the church records where George and Ann were married. Can you please tell me which church this was? They might have confirmation records as well, where Ann's middle name MAY show up...? > Thanks again for your great information! > Very sincerely yours, > Lars E. Oyane > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > On May 24, 2015, at 11:25 PM, Greg Hanson via wrote:Here's a thought. According to the MN death index, Ann's mother's maiden name was LOKULA, it is not uncommon for children to be given their mother's maiden name as a middle name. > > To: norway@rootsweb.com > Date: Mon, 25 May 2015 00:39:58 +0000 > Subject: Re: [NOR] What was Ann L. Pelto Kuehmichel's middle name? > From: norway@rootsweb.com > > the 1930 census records show that Ann was born in Minnesota, and had two sisters, Doris age 15 and Mary age 25. According to the church records, Doris was a witness at Ann's wedding. > > Maybe you could track down her sisters, and get some information that way. > > Greg in MN > > > Date: Mon, 25 May 2015 00:26:22 +0000 > To: lars.e.oyane@sdsl.no; norway@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [NOR] What was Ann L. Pelto Kuehmichel's middle name? > From: norway@rootsweb.com > > Lars, > > I have a former co-worker who is a Pelto, so I checked with him, just on the chance that he might be related to this Ann L. Pelto. But unfortunately they are not related as far as he knows. > > Other searches I have tried on this have not turned up anything useful that you don't already have, either. > > Greg Holter > > From: Lars E. Oyane via <norway@rootsweb.com> > To: norway@rootsweb.com > Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2015 1:22 PM > Subject: [NOR] What was Ann L. Pelto Kuehmichel's middle name? > > Dear Listers! > > I have a feeling I have searched all over the place, but I just canno find trhe middle name of this lady: > > Ann L. PELTO > born Jan. 21, 1910 in Gogebic Co., MI > parents Otto and Amanda Pelto (Finnish) > married Oct. 2, 1935 in Brainerd, MN to > Wesley George aka George W. KUEHMICHEL > born Mar. 7, 1904 in Crow Wing Co., MN > parents George Kuehmichel and Ingrid "Ida" Walaker from Luster Co., Norway > > Ann and George resided at Brainerd, MN > > George died Feb. 11, 1956 in St. Paul, MN > Ann died July 22, 1968 in Brainerd, MN > They had no children. > > Any suggestions how we can find Ann's middle name, will be very welcome! > > Very sincerely yours, > > Lars E. Oyane >

Lars, Not to be too discouraging, but in the 1880s, all those places--Helena MT, Wallace ID, and Yale and Hope BC, were very much frontier towns. Helena and Wallace were mining towns until the mid 20th c. and may have had newspapers but it's doubtful they kept vital records. I had a friend who lived in Hope BC in the early 20th c. and even then it was a wide spot in the road so probably didn't even have a newspaper. Even in 2000, Helena had a population of 26,000; Wallace, 960; Hope, 6,200; and Yale,171. These numbers are from my Rand McNally Road Atlas, from the 2000 census. Helena's clearly your best bet by far for finding a newspaper record of their marriage. If he was a bartender--an important occupation in a mining town--their marriage might show up in the newspaper. We all long sometimes for the 1890 census, and this is one of those times. Do you have any idea of the birth years of Margaret and Donald Shaw, and where they were born? That might help find them prior to 1918. Good luck! Doris On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 4:47 PM, Lars E. Oyane <lars.e.oyane@sdsl.no> wrote: > Dear Listers! > > This is a problem that has bothered me for at least 25 years. Maybe now > has the time come to find the answer? > > ~~~~~~~~~~ > > *Charles J(ames?) SHAW* > son of Daniel SHAW and Catherine TOOLE > born about 1855 in Ottawa. ON > probably lived 1881 in Yale & Hope, BC (railroad fireman) > > married Mar. 6, 1888 at Helena, MT > > *Karen Kirstine aka Christine (Einersdotter) OVERBOE* > daughter of Einar OVERBOE and Margaret HILLESTAD > born June 2, 1865 in Hafslo parish, Luster Co., Norway > emigrated in 1876 > > marriage witnesses: George N. Southworth and Ena Stanley > > Charles SHAW was 1888 a bartender at *Helena, MT*, supposedly moved a few > years later to *Wallace, ID *- then disappeared! > > Karen Kirstine's parents died in Vernon Co., WI in 1919 (Margaret) and > 1923 (Einer), and at the time of Einer Overboe's death we learn that Karen > Kirstine had died - apparently prior to 1918(?) - leaving two children: > > 1. *Margaret SHAW* > > 2. *Donald SHAW* > > These children were searched for by the Vernon Co., WI probate court, but > they were never found! > > ~~~~~~~~~~ > > Is it possible today, 90 years later, to figure out what happened to Karen > Kirstine "Christine", Charles and their children? > > Could there be newspaper notices telling about them? > > Any suggestions would be more than welcome, and I would be for ever > indebted to anyone who reveals their destiny! > > Very sincerely yours, > > Lars E. Oyane > > > > >

Dear Listers! This is a problem that has bothered me for at least 25 years. Maybe now has the time come to find the answer? ~~~~~~~~~~ Charles J(ames?) SHAW son of Daniel SHAW and Catherine TOOLE born about 1855 in Ottawa. ON probably lived 1881 in Yale & Hope, BC (railroad fireman) married Mar. 6, 1888 at Helena, MT Karen Kirstine aka Christine (Einersdotter) OVERBOE daughter of Einar OVERBOE and Margaret HILLESTAD born June 2, 1865 in Hafslo parish, Luster Co., Norway emigrated in 1876 marriage witnesses: George N. Southworth and Ena Stanley Charles SHAW was 1888 a bartender at Helena, MT, supposedly moved a few years later to Wallace, ID - then disappeared! Karen Kirstine's parents died in Vernon Co., WI in 1919 (Margaret) and 1923 (Einer), and at the time of Einer Overboe's death we learn that Karen Kirstine had died - apparently prior to 1918(?) - leaving two children: 1. Margaret SHAW 2. Donald SHAW These children were searched for by the Vernon Co., WI probate court, but they were never found! ~~~~~~~~~~ Is it possible today, 90 years later, to figure out what happened to Karen Kirstine "Christine", Charles and their children? Could there be newspaper notices telling about them? Any suggestions would be more than welcome, and I would be for ever indebted to anyone who reveals their destiny! Very sincerely yours, Lars E. Oyane

Hei, Reina. First I will have to learn Norwegian..... :-( I find no English site working....... Clark in Japan On 26-May-15 06:17 PM, nukilik via wrote: > Hello Listers, > I came across this site with a lot of links to old genealogy. Very interesting in my opinion. > > <http://genealogi.no/kilder/index.htm> > > Some links to the NST does not work. But there are enough other links working well. > Be aware of a sleepless night if you want to read all this stuff!!! > Reina

There's a partial solution. Search for Norsk Slektshistorik Forening Kilder : http://www.genealogi.no/content/kilder-og-artikler And, if you're using Google, translate. Earl On 26/05/2015 2:17 AM, nukilik via wrote: > Hello Listers, > > I came across this site with a lot of links to old genealogy. Very interesting in my opinion. > > <http://genealogi.no/kilder/index.htm> > > Some links to the NST does not work. But there are enough other links working well. > > Be aware of a sleepless night if you want to read all this stuff!!! > > Reina > Norwaylist Archiveshttp://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=norway > > RESUBSCRIBE UNSUB > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/NOR/NORWAY.html > > guidelines http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~norway/guidelines.htm > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORWAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The 1910 census shows Joseph and Mary Grauvogl living with a son Otto in Franklin Township, Sauk County, Wisconsin. Also in the household is a son Alva (may have been Alois). It says that Mary has had 12 children, all living. You'd think there would be descendants. A search on familysearch.org for Maria Gottfried, residence Sauk, Wisconsin, turned up marriages with her as mother of the groom or bride for Joseph Grauvogl in 1907, Anna Grauvogl to John Emmer in 1895, Maria Grauvogl to Hubert Niessbaum in 1906. Maybe following one of these families might lead to a descendant who knows something. There was a reporter for the Sioux Falls, SD Argus Leaderin the 1990s named Ann Grauvogl. That was the name that came up most often in a search on genealogybank.com. I have no idea if she is related. Annette On Mon, May 25, 2015 at 7:27 AM, Lars E. Oyane via <norway@rootsweb.com> wrote: > Dear Listers! > > Happy Memorial Day! > > I am having some difficulties tracing the German origin of a Luster Co., > Norway in-law in Sauk Co., WI and hope that a newspaper obituary or other > newspaper notices from Sauk Co., WI can be found to tell me WHERE in > Germany these people emigrated from: > > Franziska "Frances" Grauvogl Hunt was born in Germany Nov. 18, 1876 (died > Feb. 16, 1961 Richland Center/Spring Green, WI) as the daughter of: > > Joseph GRAUVOGL, born in Bavaria, Germany July 17, 1849, died in Sauk Co., > WI in 1919 > > Maria "Mary" GRAUVOGL (nee Gottfried), born in Bavaria, Germany Aug. of > 1852, died in Sauk Co., WI in 1920 > > Unfortunately, I have no death dates for Joseph and Mary, but hopefully > the last name is special enough to be noted in a scanned newspaper... > > Thanks a million in advance for your great assistance in this matter! > > Very sincerely yours, > > Lars E. Oyane > > > > > Norwaylist Archiveshttp:// > archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=norway > > RESUBSCRIBE UNSUB > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/NOR/NORWAY.html > > guidelines http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~norway/guidelines.htm > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NORWAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hello Listers, I came across this site with a lot of links to old genealogy. Very interesting in my opinion. <http://genealogi.no/kilder/index.htm> Some links to the NST does not work. But there are enough other links working well. Be aware of a sleepless night if you want to read all this stuff!!! Reina

Hi Lars - There was a Jeffers Bus Line in rural Alabama for school children and for hauling freight..., but the time frame is wrong unless it continued into the mid-20th century. Two quotes from a Jeffers genealogy web site: ~~~~~ http://www.boyettandburkett.com/jeffers.html Jasper County residents should know Nathaniel Jeffers, son of James Monroe Jeffers and Caroline C. Barnes. Nathaniel built and operated the “Hoodlum Wagon”, the first school bus in the area. Nathaniel Jeffers is known by many in the area as the man who built and operated the “Hoodlum Wagon”, the first school bus in these parts. As I told you the last time we visited, Nathaniel’s grandfather, the one he was named after, was Nathaniel Jeffers of Virginia. The elder Nathaniel was enumerated in the 1850 Alabama census as a wagoner. This means he drove wagons and hauled freight for a living. So Nathaniel, the younger, came by his desire to operate wagons and haul freight, school kids in this case, naturally. But Nathaniel was much more than just the man with the “Hoodlum Wagon” in Sabine, San Augustine and Jasper Counties ~~~~~ The much more likely bus line is Jefferson Lines, founded in 1919 and still headquartered in Minneapolis, Minnesota: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jefferson_Lines The more famous bus line out of Minnesota, now nationwide (and owned by someone else with the name retained, plus diversified lines with different names for charter services) is Greyhound Lines, founded in Hibbing, St. Louis County, Minnesota in 1914. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greyhound_Lines Don't know if this info will help at all, but hope so. Beste, Bev ----- Original Message ----- From: Lars E. Oyane via <norway@rootsweb.com> To: norway@rootsweb.com Cc: Sent: Monday, May 25, 2015 6:58 PM Subject: [NOR] Herbert Norman Anderson - born Mower Co., MN 1887 - prisoner 1930 - later turkey rancher in Colorado? Dear Listers! A brother of Edward Anderson (1877-1941) of Mower Co., MN and Arapahoe Co., CO also gives me considerable "head ache": Herbert Norman ANDERSON (christened as Herbert Andrew Anderson!) son of Erick Anderson (Sweden) and Ollegaard "Olga" Pederson (Norway) parents always residing in the city of Austin, Mower Co., MN was born June 10, 1887 in Mower Co., MN was in 1917 (WW1 draft) a single painter a Mason City, Cerro Gordo Co., IA was in 1920 (census) a single restaurant cook in Austin, Mower Co., MN was in 1930 (census) a prisoner at the Mower Co., MN jail in Austin, Mower Co., MN According to family (descending from siblings of Herbert's in Austin, MN Herbert went "in and out" of St. Peter State Hospital, but one of the Anderson brothers shall have ended up as a bus driver for the Jeffers(on) bus line in Alabama, and since Edward apparently was in Colorado, it must have been Herbert who drove the bus(?), and maybe he was also a turkey rancher at Ft. Morgan, Morgan Co., CO!?? Relatives in MN believe he never married, and they are pretty sure he died before 1940!? I have been unable to find this gentleman in any records after 1930! Could there be newspaper notices on him due to his "jail visit" in 1930? Any suggestions, as far as Herbert N. Anderson's destiny is concerned, will be more than welcome! Very sincerely yours, Lars E. Oyane

Dear Mark and other Listers! Thank you very much, Mark, for sending me the death notice of Edward Anderson from 1941. Interesting to see how he died. I guess we cannot expect to find any other obituary for him, not even at Austin, MN(?), but I still wonder: * What became of his wife Pearl AFTER 1941? She doesn't appear to be buried with her husband at Englewood, CO! Maybe she remarried? Thanks again for your great assistance, Mark! Very sincerely yours, Lars E. Oyane ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ On May 25, 2015, at 8:41 PM, Mark Erickson wrote: > Greedy Daily Tribune; April 10, 1941 > (Associated Press) > Denver, April 10, - A WPA painter, Edward W. Anderson, (64?) died yesterday three hours after he fell 25 feet from the roof to the concrete steps of the First Christian church of Englewood. > > <Screen Shot 2015-05-25 at 8.36.23 PM.png>

On Mon, 25 May 2015 07:48:51 -0700, Earl Sande via <norway@rootsweb.com> wrote: >Great Grandfather Edvard Severin Sandberg Pedersen (or Peterson) >returned to the Lofotens after living in Inwood, Manitoba, Canada for >many years. Anecdotal information suggests a death date of 3 October 1946. > >However, my uncle recalls taking Edvard to the Winnipeg railway station >in the summer of 1947 and in most cases his memory is extremely sharp. > >He fell coming off the ship taking him to the Lofotens and died at a >Care Home after having been in the hospital in there. Edvard is buried >near his wife Sara at Fredvang. > >I have tried both the Flakstad Church and the Archives at Trondheim. >They suggested that Guds Menighet records (ie., Dissenters) records >would be held only by that group. I have e-mailed the it's school there >with no response. I have even tried to find the name of the hospital >and care home in the remote chance they had an archive but no can not >locate that. > >Any suggestion on locating the death information? > >Thanks > >Earl >Norwaylist Archiveshttp://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=norway > >RESUBSCRIBE UNSUB >http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/NOR/NORWAY.html More exact date of birth and name of her parents with date and birthplace ? More name on any places? -- Otto Jørgensen http://home.online.no/~otjoerge/ All email is checked by NIS2014

Evergreen Cemetery Association, Brainerd, Minnesota (There are two cemeteries involved: Evergreen Cemetery and Memorial Gardens Cemetery.) http://www.brainerd.net/~evergreencem/ Scroll down for added links & info at the bottom of the page, including names of funeral homes. Beste, Bev ----- Original Message ----- From: Greg Hanson via <norway@rootsweb.com> To: norway list <norway@rootsweb.com> Cc: Sent: Monday, May 25, 2015 10:51 AM Subject: Re: [NOR] What was Ann L. Pelto Kuehmichel's middle name? Here is Ann's findagrave listing. Maybe the cemetery has her middle name. http://findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GSln=Kuehmichel&GSfn=ann&GSbyrel=all&GSdyrel=all&GSob=n&GRid=69053172&df=all& > To: norway@rootsweb.com > Date: Mon, 25 May 2015 15:45:35 +0000 > Subject: Re: [NOR] What was Ann L. Pelto Kuehmichel's middle name? > From: norway@rootsweb.com > > Here is the link to Trinity Lutheran in Brainerd. They have a booklet, in PDF format on the history of the church. > > http://www.trinitybrainerd.org/historyoftrinity.htm > > http://www.trinitybrainerd.org/Trinity_History.pdf >

Snedker og Huseier - carpenter and houseowner Halvor in Lier -----Opprinnelig melding----- From: Thelma Hartman via Sent: Monday, May 25, 2015 7:59 PM To: Thelma Hartman ; norway@rootsweb.com So using this handy site here is a much better translation but I am still stumped by the occupation 'snedker og hus ceir' - Carpenter of ? http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~norway/na23.html No. 22 Date of Death: August 11th, Date of Funeral: August 16th Date of Interment; August 16th The deceased person's full name, status, occupation and if adult, information as to whether he (she) was single, married, widower (widow) or divorced; Joinery and Husceir Emanuel Eriksen, married If deceased was a married woman; give husbands name; if deceased was a child; give father's name and status; Year, month, and day of Birth; 1832 Place of Birth; Sweden Residence: Ilebrekke Stated cause of death: Was a doctor called during the deceased's final illness? Yes Has the probate court (Sheriff) been notified of the death? Yes Remarks; -----Original Message----- From: Thelma Hartman via Sent: Monday, May 25, 2015 11:38 AM To: norway@rootsweb.com Subject: [NOR] Translation help please Hello I have some records that I am trying to translate to English using google translate. Let’s just say that the results are puzzling in places. Here is the first record that I am working on; http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:NBN:no-a1450-kb20051014010760.jpg Norwaylist Archiveshttp://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=norway RESUBSCRIBE UNSUB http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/NOR/NORWAY.html guidelines http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~norway/guidelines.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORWAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

If you look at the bottom of this article, you will find links (in blue) to translation of column headings for different periods: http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~norway/na20.html Also a lot of interseting inf in the article too Halvor in Lier -----Opprinnelig melding----- From: Thelma Hartman via Sent: Monday, May 25, 2015 7:38 PM To: norway@rootsweb.com Subject: [NOR] Translation help please Hello I have some records that I am trying to translate to English using google translate. Let’s just say that the results are puzzling in places. Here is the first record that I am working on; http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:NBN:no-a1450-kb20051014010760.jpg Here is my translation attempt: No. 22 Dods-Datum (Date of Death); August 11th, Naar Begravet (When Buried); August 16th, soil foestel; August 16th Den Dodes fulde Navn og borgerlige Stilling (Noeringsweri) med Tilfoiende for Voxnes Vedkommende of Oplysning, am ban (hun) var ugifl, gifl, Enkemand (Enke) eller fraskill; (The deceased's full name and Civil Occupation (Noeringsvei) with additional for Voxnes He of information, am ban (she) was ugifl, gifl, Widower (widow) or fraskill) : Joinery and Husceir Emanuel Eriksen, Gifl By Gifle wives; The man, in Born; Father's Name and Position Fodsels, years: born 1832 Month / Day (for children indfl 5 years assemble Voernepligtig) Fode Location and samples liable Male Creator also: When and where confirmed: Sweden Bopoel: Ilebrekke Stated Dodsaarsug: Have A doctor, veeret Rikaldt during the deceased sidsle disease: Yes Is Dodsfaldeet notified of He for skifterelten (lensnumden): Yes remarks; Thanks for any help Thelma