I have those three books, as well as the little volume of Norwegians in America by Knud Langeland, and History of the Norwegian Settlements by Hjalmar Rued Holand. I also have Between Rocks and Hard Places by Ann Urness Gesme, but I see it's no longer offered on Astri My Astri. I found them helpful since I was born and raised in MN in a community that was very heavily populated with Norwegian-Americans, so the bios and histories resonated with me. Vol. 2 & 3 of Ulvestad's books consist mostly of indices of names with references, sometimes mini-bios. Who are you looking for? For anyone else interested, all of these books are now on sale at the Astri My Astri web site. Gourley is prompt in sending out books once they are ordered. I got mine a week or less after ordering. [I have no business interest in Astri My Astri, nor do I know the owner; I'm just saying my experiences in ordering books from her web site were entirely positive.] http://www.astrimyastri.com/products/norwegians-in-america-their-history-and-record-3-volume-set http://www.astrimyastri.com/products/norwegians-in-america-some-records-of-the-norwegian-emigration-to-america http://www.astrimyastri.com/products/history-of-the-norwegian-settlements-a-translated-and-expanded-version-of-the-1908-de-norske-settlementers-historie-and-the-1930-den-siste-folkevandring-sagastubber-fra-nybyggerlivet-i-amerika-by-hjalmar-rued-holand Beste, Bev On 2/17/2017 6:54 PM, John Everson wrote: > Does anyone own the 3 volume set of books from AstriMyAstri.com - Norwegians > in America, their History and Record (years 1825-1913), 3-Volume-Set by > Martin Ulvestad? > I'm interested in buying them, but I first want to make sure they will be of > help in my research. If you own them, please email me and allow me to look > up a few of my ancestors and see if there is much information about them, > where they came from, where they settled, etc. I live in East Tennessee, > maybe you might know of a library or place to reference the books. > Thank you in advance, > John Everson > [email protected] > Vonore, TN > >

I'm writing concerning the books you are talking about. I was told that there is a series of books about Norwegians in America that documents every single Norwegian that immigrated before, I really don't remember the exact date, but it was something like before 1845. I don't remember the exact date. The Norwegian I would be interested in is Halvor Anderse(o)n. I read about him emigrating in a Bygdebok, and the emigration date was 1845. I have been unable to find any more information about him. Maybe he died on the way over, or he could have died before the book was written. He was a brother to my great grandfather. Any information would be greatly appreciated. The books have been in the Mesa Family History Center library. However, the library has been closed for a few years now. All the books are packed away, and they have no idea what they're going to about the building. Arlene Camp -----Original Message----- From: NORWAY [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Bev Anderson Sent: Friday, February 17, 2017 6:34 PM To: [email protected]; [email protected] Subject: Re: [NOR] Books: Norwegians in America I have those three books, as well as the little volume of Norwegians in America by Knud Langeland, and History of the Norwegian Settlements by Hjalmar Rued Holand. I also have Between Rocks and Hard Places by Ann Urness Gesme, but I see it's no longer offered on Astri My Astri. I found them helpful since I was born and raised in MN in a community that was very heavily populated with Norwegian-Americans, so the bios and histories resonated with me. Vol. 2 & 3 of Ulvestad's books consist mostly of indices of names with references, sometimes mini-bios. Who are you looking for? For anyone else interested, all of these books are now on sale at the Astri My Astri web site. Gourley is prompt in sending out books once they are ordered. I got mine a week or less after ordering. [I have no business interest in Astri My Astri, nor do I know the owner; I'm just saying my experiences in ordering books from her web site were entirely positive.] http://www.astrimyastri.com/products/norwegians-in-america-their-history-and -record-3-volume-set http://www.astrimyastri.com/products/norwegians-in-america-some-records-of-t he-norwegian-emigration-to-america http://www.astrimyastri.com/products/history-of-the-norwegian-settlements-a- translated-and-expanded-version-of-the-1908-de-norske-settlementers-historie -and-the-1930-den-siste-folkevandring-sagastubber-fra-nybyggerlivet-i-amerik a-by-hjalmar-rued-holand Beste, Bev On 2/17/2017 6:54 PM, John Everson wrote: > Does anyone own the 3 volume set of books from AstriMyAstri.com - > Norwegians in America, their History and Record (years 1825-1913), > 3-Volume-Set by Martin Ulvestad? > I'm interested in buying them, but I first want to make sure they will be of > help in my research. If you own them, please email me and allow me to look > up a few of my ancestors and see if there is much information about them, > where they came from, where they settled, etc. I live in East Tennessee, > maybe you might know of a library or place to reference the books. > Thank you in advance, > John Everson > [email protected] > Vonore, TN > > Norwaylist Archiveshttp://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=norway RESUBSCRIBE UNSUB http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/NOR/NORWAY.html guidelines http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~norway/guidelines.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Lisbeth, This is Inga Halseth in the 1930 census. You can see the image on familysearch.org. It says she was widowed. Inga Halseth United States Census, 1930 Name Inga Halseth Event Type Census Event Date 1930 Event Place Chicago (Districts 1251-1500), Cook, Illinois, United States Gender Female Age 67 Marital Status Widowed Race White Race (Original) White Relationship to Head of Household Boarder Relationship to Head of Household (Original) Boarder Birth Year (Estimated) 1863 Birthplace Norway Immigration Year 1893 Father's Birthplace Norway Mother's Birthplace Norway Sheet Letter B Sheet Number 7 Household Jacob Olsen Head M 54 Norway Marie Olsen Wife F 39 Norway Ben Anderson Boarder M 47 Norway Inga Halseth Boarder F 67 Norway Citing this Record "United States Census, 1930," database with images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XSPJ-CS7 : accessed 17 February 2017), Inga Halseth in household of Jacob Olsen, Chicago (Districts 1251-1500), Cook, Illinois, United States; citing enumeration district (ED) ED 1372, sheet 7B, line 85, family 138, NARA microfilm publication T626 (Washington D.C.: National Archives and Records Administration, 2002), roll 474; FHL microfilm 2,340,209 I didn't find any likely match for Anna or Hilma/Helena. Maybe they used a different surname in the US or maybe they married before the census. I also didn't find any likely match for Inga before this one in the 1930 census. Annette On 2/15/17, Lisbeth Dyrnes <[email protected]> wrote: > I need help to find descendants of those three sisters from Velfjord. > Their mother, Berthe Otelia Pedersdatter Hilstad was born in Velfjord Sept > 21,1842. > > She got 3 daughters out of wedlock: > > Inga Petra Elisabeth Oct 7, 1863 - father Lauritz Ingebrigtsen > > Anna Amalia April 16, 1873 - father Ole Stefensen Bakken > > Hilma Marie Augusta Oct 13, 1880 - father Johan/Johannes > Johansen/Johannesen from Sweden. > > Inga disappeared from Velfjord before census 1891. There is a Inga Hilstad > going to USA 1881, which might be her, but if so given age is wrong, as the > records says 26 years old, and our Inga would only be 18. > > Hilma gave birth to a daughter in Trondheim Nov 9, 1905. This daughter was > adopted by a family in Trondheim short time after baptism, and grew up as > Agnes Bergljot Huseby. > > Census 1910 shows Berthe, Anna and Hilma living in Oslo (Kristiania). > Berthe passed away as a widow (must have been married after 1900) in Oslo > on Nov 21, 1912. > > In Nov 1914 Anna and Hilma went to USA. Ellis Island records says Anna and > Helena (not Hilma) Hilstad, going to sister Inga Halseth, 4240 ?..lop ave, > Chicago, Ill. > > I have found a death record for Inge Petra Halseth in Chicago Dec 31, 1933. > That must be our Inga I think. > > In the early 1980`s a woman from USA, most likely Minnesota, visited > Norway, contacted Agnes`son and told them she was half sister of Agnes! > That must mean Hilma got a child after she emigrated. > > I have tried a lot of different spellings on Anna, Hilma (Helen/Helena) > Hilstad with no luck! I have tried 1920 census, find-a-grave and SSDI. > > I wonder if someone would be able to help me? > Maybe Ingas obit would be helpful? > I am helping Agnes grandson to get in touch with living descendants of > Hilma in USA! > > Lisbeth Dyrnes > Norwaylist > Archiveshttp://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=norway > > RESUBSCRIBE UNSUB > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/NOR/NORWAY.html > > guidelines http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~norway/guidelines.htm > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

Ole asked the evangelist to pray for his hearing. After three minutes of violent shaking and trying to push Ole over backwards the evengelist asks, “How’s your hearing!” Ole replied, “Uffda, I don’t know. It doesn’t take place ‘til Tewsday at da courthouse.” Sent from my iPad John Ferman Minneapolis, MN

Lars, Here is John Bateson's obituary. http://www.sfgenealogy.com/boards/mcobits/messages/15847.html Marin Independent Journal Sunday, September 26, 1993 John Bateson Retired banker John Bateson of San Rafael, a retired vice president for Bank of America, died Thursday, Sept. 23, 1993, at home. He was 74. Mr. Bateson was raised in New York, He had lived in San Rafael for 38 years. He was a standout athlete in high school, earning letters in four sports, and went to the University of Idaho on a football scholarship. His studies were interrupted by World War II, when he serves as a first lieutenant. After the war, he returned to school at the University of California at Berkeley, eventually earning a master’s degree in business administration. Mr. Bateson worked as a certified public accountant for several years at Arthur Andersen & Co. before joining Bank of America. He was a vice president with the bank for 27 years. He served several years on the board of directors for the Family Service Agency of Marin. Mr. Bateson also was a volunteer with the Executive Service Corps and coached Little League baseball when his sons were young. Mr. Bateson enjoyed golf. Survivors are his wife of 47 years, Helen Bateson of San Rafael; two sons, John Bateson of San Rafael and Will Bateson of Livermore; two daughters, Gail Bateson of Berkeley and Betsy Templeton of San Carlos; and seven grandchildren. A memorial service is being planned for next week. Burial will be private at Mount Tamalpais Cemetery in San Rafael. The family prefers memorial donations to Family Service Agency of Marin or a favorite charity. Here is a Gail V. Bateson. I don't know if this is their daughter. http://www.whitepages.com/name/Gail-V-Bateson/Inverness-CA/bfe9hjq Gail V Bateson Age 60-64 (510) 525-6421 AT&T Landline (510) 879-7064 PO Box 716 Inverness CA 94937-0716 Maybe this is your Helen. Helen A Bateson Age 65+ (925) 943-3281 Pacific Bell Landline 1860 Tice Creek Dr Apt 1438 Walnut Creek CA 94595-2453 Previous Locations Walnut Creek, CA San Rafael, CA Or this one. http://radaris.com/~Helen-Bateson/296234414 Helen A Bateson ~94 Walnut Creek, CA 2029 Ptarmigan Dr, Walnut Creek, CA 94595 (415) 479-3751 These sites want money for more information. Annette On 2/15/17, Lars E. Oyane <[email protected]> wrote: > Dear Listers, > > Several years ago I was «hunting» for a lady whom I knew resided in or near > San Diego, CA, but I never found her until she finally showed up in the > SSDI! She was almost 100 years old when she died! > > Now I have a similar case in Northern California, and I wonder if anyone has > any suggestions what to do? > > John N. Urness (1888-1957), emigrant from Luster Co., Norway, died in > Dallas, OR leaving a widow Helen who died at San Rafael, CA Mar. 20, 1994. > They had two children: > > * Helen A…… Urness, born in Renville Co., ND June 17, 1922, obtained her > marriage license in Berkeley, Alameda Co., CA in Feb. of 1946 (I never could > find a marriage date!) and married John Bateson, born in Congleton, > Cheshire, England May 17, 1919. He died at San Rafael, CA Sep. 23, 1993. > There were four children including one daughter Gail Bateson who used to > live in Sweden(!), but who may be back in Cal…(?) > > I just cannot find Helen or her family to obtain further details about Helen > and her marriage!? > > * Sybil Norma Urness, born in Renville Co., ND Aug. 31, 1923, died May 3, > 1991, I believe at Antioch, Contra Costa Co., CA. She married in Minot, ND > Apr. 15, 1946 to Donal William Brisling, born in Detroit, MI Aug. 21, 1922. > He later remarried twice, but supposedly still lives at Antioch, CA(?). > Donal and Sybil had four children. > > I just cannot find Donal or his family to obtain further details about him > and Sybil!? > > Thanks a million in advance for any assistance you can give me in this > matter! > > Very sincerely yours, > > Lars E. Oyane > > > > > Norwaylist > Archiveshttp://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=norway > > RESUBSCRIBE UNSUB > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/NOR/NORWAY.html > > guidelines http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~norway/guidelines.htm > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

Here is an old record for the family, but it doesn't list their children. Donal W Brislain United States Public Records Name Donal W Brislain Titles and Terms (Original) SR Residence Date 01 Sep 1993-01 Jan 2004 Residence Place Vancouver, Washington, United States Birth Date 12 Sep 1936 Phone Number (510) 757-4236 Phone Number Recorded Date 01 Jan 1998 Address 2312 SE Baypoint Dr # 93 Address Continued Vancouver, Washington 98683 Address Date 01 Sep 1993-01 Jan 2004 2nd Address 2008 Glenwood Dr 2nd Address Continued Antioch, California 94509 2nd Address Date 01 Jan 1984-01 Jan 1998 Possible Relatives Donald W Brislain Sr, Lorriane Brislain, Nicky Tom Brislain, Sybil N Brislain Record Number 325014911 Citing this Record "United States Public Records, 1970-2009," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:2SLM-W86 : 23 May 2014), Donal W Brislain, Residence, Vancouver, Washington, United States; a third party aggregator of publicly available information. This looks like the obit for one of the other wives of Donal W. Brislain, but the children listed are probably hers from a previous marriage. Lorraine Nicky Nichols Brislain, 80 of Vancouver, Washington OBITUARIES Columbian, The (Vancouver, WA) — Tuesday, March 12, 2002 A homemaker who lived in Vancouver the past 10 years, Lorraine "Nicky" Brislain died of Alzheimer's disease Friday, March 8, 2002, in Vancouver. She was 80. Mrs. Brislain was born Jan. 22, 1922, in Helena, Mont. Her maiden name was Nichols. She was a member of World Affairs Council, Oregon Historical Society and Portland Beautification Association. She was a volunteer and board member of the Albertina Kerr Center in Portland and a past board member of Maryhill Art Museum in Goldendale. Mrs. Brislain enjoyed gardening, golfing, traveling, boating and bird watching. She was a pilot and was named Woman of the Year in The Dalles, Ore., in 1968. Survivors include her husband, Donal W., at home; one daughter, Carolyn Clark of Seguin, Texas; one son, Brian Tom of Brightwood, Wash.; and two grandchildren. A service will begin at 11 a.m. Thursday at Columbia River Yacht Club, 37 N.E.Tomahawk Island Drive, Portland. Wilhelm Funeral Home in Milwaukie is in charge of arrangements. Memorial contributions may be made to Albertina Kerr Center, 424 NE 22nd Ave., Portland, OR 97232; or Hospice Southwest, P.O. Box 1600, Vancouver, WA 98668. publication logo Columbian, The (Vancouver, WA) — Tuesday, March 12, 2002 CITE THIS RECORD Columbian, The, Vancouver, Washington, GenealogyBank.com (http://genealogybank.com/doc/obituaries/obit/0FC2B00A81477F3D-0FC2B00A81477F3D : accessed 15 February 2017) Lorraine Nicky Nichols Brislain Lorraine Tom 'Nicky' Brislain A gathering will be at 1 p.m. Thursday, March 14, 2002, in Columbia River Yacht Club for Lorraine Tom "Nicky" Brislain, who died March 8 at age 80. Lorraine Nichols was born Jan. 22, 1922, in Helena, Mont. A homemaker, she moved to Portland in 1975 and to Vancouver, Wash., in 1992. In the mid-1940s, she married Allen Tom; he died in 1990. She married Donal W. in 1992. Survivors include her husband; son, Brian Tom; daughter, Carolyn Clark; two grandchildren; and two great-grandchildren. Remembrances to Albertina Kerr Centers. Arrangements by Wilhelm. publication logo Oregonian, The (Portland, OR) - Tuesday, March 12, 2002 CITE THIS RECORD "Oregonian, The", , GenealogyBank.com (http://genealogybank.com/doc/obituaries/obit/100166AB7A635230-100166AB7A635230 : accessed 15 February 2017) Lorraine Tom 'Nicky' Brislain Here is a photo of their tombstone. No dates for him so he may be still living, or at least was when this photo was taken. http://willamettenationalcemeteryhappyvalley.tombfinder.com/records/307273 Maybe this is your man. https://nuwber.com/person/563a1819cf00835c7f3ef6eb Donal W Brislain Age: 94 Address 5850 N Five Mile Rd Boise, ID 83713-5487 Annette On 2/15/17, Lars E. Oyane <[email protected]> wrote: > Dear Listers, > > Several years ago I was «hunting» for a lady whom I knew resided in or near > San Diego, CA, but I never found her until she finally showed up in the > SSDI! She was almost 100 years old when she died! > > Now I have a similar case in Northern California, and I wonder if anyone has > any suggestions what to do? > > John N. Urness (1888-1957), emigrant from Luster Co., Norway, died in > Dallas, OR leaving a widow Helen who died at San Rafael, CA Mar. 20, 1994. > They had two children: > > * Helen A…… Urness, born in Renville Co., ND June 17, 1922, obtained her > marriage license in Berkeley, Alameda Co., CA in Feb. of 1946 (I never could > find a marriage date!) and married John Bateson, born in Congleton, > Cheshire, England May 17, 1919. He died at San Rafael, CA Sep. 23, 1993. > There were four children including one daughter Gail Bateson who used to > live in Sweden(!), but who may be back in Cal…(?) > > I just cannot find Helen or her family to obtain further details about Helen > and her marriage!? > > * Sybil Norma Urness, born in Renville Co., ND Aug. 31, 1923, died May 3, > 1991, I believe at Antioch, Contra Costa Co., CA. She married in Minot, ND > Apr. 15, 1946 to Donal William Brisling, born in Detroit, MI Aug. 21, 1922. > He later remarried twice, but supposedly still lives at Antioch, CA(?). > Donal and Sybil had four children. > > I just cannot find Donal or his family to obtain further details about him > and Sybil!? > > Thanks a million in advance for any assistance you can give me in this > matter! > > Very sincerely yours, > > Lars E. Oyane > > > > > Norwaylist > Archiveshttp://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=norway > > RESUBSCRIBE UNSUB > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/NOR/NORWAY.html > > guidelines http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~norway/guidelines.htm > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

Ole got a hook stuck in his finger while fishing with Sven. Sven removed the hook and asked Ole if he was good to keep fishing. Ole said his finger was really hurting, and Sven said he had on old Indian healing stone in his tackle box that would fix the pain. Sven told Ole to kiss the stone and then rub in on the sore. Ole did, and Sven asked, “Vell, does your finger feel better now?” Ole replied, “Naw, it still hurts like da dickens!” Sven replied, “Uffda, it cured Thorvalds hemorrhoids last veek.” Sent from my iPad John Ferman Minneapolis, MN

Dear Listers, Several years ago I was «hunting» for a lady whom I knew resided in or near San Diego, CA, but I never found her until she finally showed up in the SSDI! She was almost 100 years old when she died! Now I have a similar case in Northern California, and I wonder if anyone has any suggestions what to do? John N. Urness (1888-1957), emigrant from Luster Co., Norway, died in Dallas, OR leaving a widow Helen who died at San Rafael, CA Mar. 20, 1994. They had two children: * Helen A…… Urness, born in Renville Co., ND June 17, 1922, obtained her marriage license in Berkeley, Alameda Co., CA in Feb. of 1946 (I never could find a marriage date!) and married John Bateson, born in Congleton, Cheshire, England May 17, 1919. He died at San Rafael, CA Sep. 23, 1993. There were four children including one daughter Gail Bateson who used to live in Sweden(!), but who may be back in Cal…(?) I just cannot find Helen or her family to obtain further details about Helen and her marriage!? * Sybil Norma Urness, born in Renville Co., ND Aug. 31, 1923, died May 3, 1991, I believe at Antioch, Contra Costa Co., CA. She married in Minot, ND Apr. 15, 1946 to Donal William Brisling, born in Detroit, MI Aug. 21, 1922. He later remarried twice, but supposedly still lives at Antioch, CA(?). Donal and Sybil had four children. I just cannot find Donal or his family to obtain further details about him and Sybil!? Thanks a million in advance for any assistance you can give me in this matter! Very sincerely yours, Lars E. Oyane

I need help to find descendants of those three sisters from Velfjord. Their mother, Berthe Otelia Pedersdatter Hilstad was born in Velfjord Sept 21,1842. She got 3 daughters out of wedlock: Inga Petra Elisabeth Oct 7, 1863 - father Lauritz Ingebrigtsen Anna Amalia April 16, 1873 - father Ole Stefensen Bakken Hilma Marie Augusta Oct 13, 1880 - father Johan/Johannes Johansen/Johannesen from Sweden. Inga disappeared from Velfjord before census 1891. There is a Inga Hilstad going to USA 1881, which might be her, but if so given age is wrong, as the records says 26 years old, and our Inga would only be 18. Hilma gave birth to a daughter in Trondheim Nov 9, 1905. This daughter was adopted by a family in Trondheim short time after baptism, and grew up as Agnes Bergljot Huseby. Census 1910 shows Berthe, Anna and Hilma living in Oslo (Kristiania). Berthe passed away as a widow (must have been married after 1900) in Oslo on Nov 21, 1912. In Nov 1914 Anna and Hilma went to USA. Ellis Island records says Anna and Helena (not Hilma) Hilstad, going to sister Inga Halseth, 4240 ?..lop ave, Chicago, Ill. I have found a death record for Inge Petra Halseth in Chicago Dec 31, 1933. That must be our Inga I think. In the early 1980`s a woman from USA, most likely Minnesota, visited Norway, contacted Agnes`son and told them she was half sister of Agnes! That must mean Hilma got a child after she emigrated. I have tried a lot of different spellings on Anna, Hilma (Helen/Helena) Hilstad with no luck! I have tried 1920 census, find-a-grave and SSDI. I wonder if someone would be able to help me? Maybe Ingas obit would be helpful? I am helping Agnes grandson to get in touch with living descendants of Hilma in USA! Lisbeth Dyrnes

Summary: We have now traced back Carl Frederik Christophersen b. 29 april 1880 in Bragernes/Drammen, Buskerud county of the parents Frederik M. Christophersen + Inger Elise Carlsen (also called Inger Elisabeth Pedersen and Inger Elise Pedersen) both parents born 1857. They lived Konggaden in Bragernes/Drammen. In 1900 census this family lived in Nedre-Eiker at the gard (farm) Mjøndalen in Buskerud county, with some more children born also in Drammen, Buskerud County <https://digitalarkivet.arkivverket.no/ft/person/pf01037120001947> Inger Elise's parents have been: Shipscarpenter Carl Antoni Pedersen + Karine Johansdr. Elise was born in Skouger (Skoger) parish, Vestfold county. They lived in 1857 at Hedensrudtangen <https://media.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/1134/109> The father Frederik Martinus Christophersen is born in 1857 see here: 6-9-1857 born 1 Juny 1857 Baptism of Frederik Martinus his parents Olavus Christophersen, arbeider + Anne K. Olsdr. Address Konggaden <https://media.digitalarkivet.no/view/1065/108> Frederik Martinius father: Olaves Christophersen was mentioned in 1865 census to have been born in Hof's prestegjeld ~1828, which could have been Hof in Hedmark or Hof in Vestfold. Unfortunately I could not find a wedding between Olaves Christophersen and Anne K. Olsdr in Bragernes/Drammen (I think the year is missing and forloververklarung are horrible to read.) I could not find a baptism in Hof parish in Hedmark in between 1827-1829. But in Hof parish, Vestfold county there was a baptism in 1828 of "an" Olaus Christophersen born 23 July 1828 of the parents Christopher Olsen Romseberg? (Rønneberg) + Berthe Taastensdr? #21 <https://media.digitalarkivet.no/view/8134/59> I would not know how we can check if this is the right Olavus Christophersen b. 1828. But Virginia: tell your friend that, except from visiting Bragernes/Drammen in Buskerud county and Skoger plus Hof in Vestfold county, there are 3 beautiful old stavechurches in Buskerud, Your friend certainly must visit those 3 stavechurches. Nore and Uvdal and Rollag Stavechurch <https://no.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liste_over_stavkirker_i_Norge> And driving by car in Buskerud county is like visiting a museum all the time. Everywhere old buildings, old farms along the road and there are more stavechurches in Buskerud to visit. Flesberg, Gol and Torpo are also in Buskerud county. So I whish your friend a good trip! Reina

Dear Listers! I have received a copy of John N. Urness’ death certificate from Ramsey Co., MN. And it leaves me kind of wondering: Place of death is given as 360 (0r 366) E. 9th Street, St. Paul, MN Date and place of birth: Apr. 15, 1904 in St. Paul, MN Parents: Urness and Thorson (no first names) There is no informant! This information makes it very likely, John was NOT a son of Jacob Nelson Urness and his wife Georgina, but who were his parents? There was one Peter Urness family in St. Paul, MN at this time, but they lived on a different address, the mother wasn’t a Thorson, and no John N. fits into that family at all! John N. Urness turns into a true «mystery». Any suggestions who he may have been? Who lived on 360 or 366 E. 9th Street in St. Paul, MN in 1910? That address still seems to exist, near the intersection of I94 and I35E in Lowertown St. Paul, MN where Highway 52 takes off to the South… Thanks a million of any suggestions in this matter! Very sincerely yours, Lars E. Oyane ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > On Feb 14, 2017, at 10:31 AM, Lars E. Oyane <[email protected]> wrote: > > Dear Jerry and other Listers! > > This challenge has rested in my mailbox since May of last year, but today I have become aware of an interesting fact: > > The death record of John N. Urness recorded on FamilySearch shows: > > Name John N. Urness > Event Type DEATH > Event Date 09 Apr 1910 > Event Place Saint Paul, Ramsey, Minnesota > Gender Male > Age 6 > Birth Year (Estimated) 1904 > Father's Name Urness <https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XP83-2TG> > Mother's Name Thorsen <https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XP83-2TP> > > This record suggests that John N. Urness wasn’t a new born baby, but a child 6 years of age, and his mother’s maiden name is given as Thorson! > > Members of this Urness family have always claimed there were TWO marriages involved, and this record appears to prove this! Was Jacob Nelson Urness (Hagen) in fact first married to a Thorson girl?? But where did they live? And why did the son die in St. Paul, MN? I can find no Urness-Thorson marriage!! > > Any suggestions regarding these questions will be more than welcome! > > Very sincerely yours, > > Lars E. Oyane > > ~~~~~~~~~~ > >> On May 31, 2016, at 1:19 PM, Jerry Lloyd <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> John N . Urness >> in the U.S., Find A Grave Index, 1600s-Current >> >> Name: >> John N . Urness >> >> Death Date: >> 9 Apr 1910 >> >> Death Place: >> Minnesota, USA >> >> Cemetery: >> Forest Lawn Memorial Park >> >> Burial or Cremation Place: >> Maplewood, Ramsey County, Minnesota, USA >> >> Has Bio?: >> N >> >> URL: >> http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-… >> > ~~~~~ > >> -----Original Message----- From: Lars E. Oyane via >> Sent: Monday, May 30, 2016 11:12 PM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: [NOR] Jacob and Georgina Urness and their son John - St. Paul,MN 1910? >> >> Dear Listers! >> >> Jacob Nelson Urness (also known as Hagen), born in Aardal Co., Norway Sep. 22, 1881, emigrated in 1901 and married in Chickasaw Co., IA July 11, 1907 to Jorgena and Georgina Ofstethun, born in Aardal Co., Norway July 23, 1887, emigrated in 1892. >> >> They had a daughter Bertha, born and died in Chickasaw Co., IA Jan. 31, 1908 >> >> And they had a daughter Stella Benolra, born in Chickasaw Co., IA Jan. 14, 1912 (died in Truth Or Consequences, NM Sep. 1, 2006). >> >> However, in between they supposedly had a son named JOHN NORMAN URNESS, born in 1910 who supposedly died in St. Paul, MN Apr. 9, 1910! >> >> I am unable to find any evidence of this child born or died in MN, and I am wondering whether anyone else has «magic eyes» to see him somewhere? >> >> Thanks a milli0n in advance for your great assistance in this matter! >> >> Very sincerely yours, >> >> Lars E. Oyane >>

Lars, The closest searchable copy of the St Paul city directory I could find was for the year 1914. For 360 E 9th St I found these entries: Natcke Herman lab rms 360 E 9th Meyers Herman lab rms 360 E 9th Espey Edw lab rms 360 E 9th Smith W Wm F eng r 360 E 9th Nutzke Herman lab rms 360 E 9th For 366 E 9th St I found these entries: Cantiere Jno (Cantiere Bros) r 366 E 9th Campi Engio lab rms 366 E 9th Giannini Giulo carp rms 366 E 9th So it looks like these addresses might have been some kind of rooms for a hospital or a clinic or something. Not really sure. Bill On Wed, Feb 15, 2017 at 09:27 am, Lars E. Oyane <[email protected]> wrote: > Dear Listers! > > I have received a copy of John N. Urness’ death certificate from Ramsey Co., MN. And it leaves me kind of wondering: > > Place of death is given as 360 (0r 366) E. 9th Street, St. Paul, MN > Date and place of birth: Apr. 15, 1904 in St. Paul, MN > Parents: Urness and Thorson (no first names) > There is no informant! > > This information makes it very likely, John was NOT a son of Jacob Nelson Urness and his wife Georgina, but who were his parents? There was one Peter Urness family in St. Paul, MN at this time, but they lived on a different address, the mother wasn’t a Thorson, and no John N. fits into that family at all! > > John N. Urness turns into a true «mystery». Any suggestions who he may have been? Who lived on 360 or 366 E. 9th Street in St. Paul, MN in 1910? That address still seems to exist, near the intersection of I94 and I35E in Lowertown St. Paul, MN where Highway 52 takes off to the South… > > Thanks a million of any suggestions in this matter! > > Very sincerely yours, > > Lars E. Oyane > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > >> On Feb 14, 2017, at 10:31 AM, Lars E. Oyane <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Dear Jerry and other Listers! >> >> This challenge has rested in my mailbox since May of last year, but today I have become aware of an interesting fact: >> >> The death record of John N. Urness recorded on FamilySearch shows: >> >> Name John N. Urness >> Event Type DEATH >> Event Date 09 Apr 1910 >> Event Place Saint Paul, Ramsey, Minnesota >> Gender Male >> Age 6 >> Birth Year (Estimated) 1904 >> Father's Name Urness <https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XP83-2TG> >> Mother's Name Thorsen <https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XP83-2TP> >> >> This record suggests that John N. Urness wasn’t a new born baby, but a child 6 years of age, and his mother’s maiden name is given as Thorson! >> >> Members of this Urness family have always claimed there were TWO marriages involved, and this record appears to prove this! Was Jacob Nelson Urness (Hagen) in fact first married to a Thorson girl?? But where did they live? And why did the son die in St. Paul, MN? I can find no Urness-Thorson marriage!! >> >> Any suggestions regarding these questions will be more than welcome! >> >> Very sincerely yours, >> >> Lars E. Oyane >> >> ~~~~~~~~~~ >> >>> On May 31, 2016, at 1:19 PM, Jerry Lloyd <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> John N . Urness >>> in the U.S., Find A Grave Index, 1600s-Current >>> >>> Name: >>> John N . Urness >>> >>> Death Date: >>> 9 Apr 1910 >>> >>> Death Place: >>> Minnesota, USA >>> >>> Cemetery: >>> Forest Lawn Memorial Park >>> >>> Burial or Cremation Place: >>> Maplewood, Ramsey County, Minnesota, USA >>> >>> Has Bio?: >>> N >>> >>> URL: >>> http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-… >>> >> ~~~~~ >> >>> -----Original Message----- From: Lars E. Oyane via >>> Sent: Monday, May 30, 2016 11:12 PM >>> To: [email protected] >>> Subject: [NOR] Jacob and Georgina Urness and their son John - St. Paul,MN 1910? >>> >>> Dear Listers! >>> >>> Jacob Nelson Urness (also known as Hagen), born in Aardal Co., Norway Sep. 22, 1881, emigrated in 1901 and married in Chickasaw Co., IA July 11, 1907 to Jorgena and Georgina Ofstethun, born in Aardal Co., Norway July 23, 1887, emigrated in 1892. >>> >>> They had a daughter Bertha, born and died in Chickasaw Co., IA Jan. 31, 1908 >>> >>> And they had a daughter Stella Benolra, born in Chickasaw Co., IA Jan. 14, 1912 (died in Truth Or Consequences, NM Sep. 1, 2006). >>> >>> However, in between they supposedly had a son named JOHN NORMAN URNESS, born in 1910 who supposedly died in St. Paul, MN Apr. 9, 1910! >>> >>> I am unable to find any evidence of this child born or died in MN, and I am wondering whether anyone else has «magic eyes» to see him somewhere? >>> >>> Thanks a milli0n in advance for your great assistance in this matter! >>> >>> Very sincerely yours, >>> >>> Lars E. Oyane >>> > Norwaylist Archiveshttp://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=norway > > RESUBSCRIBE UNSUB > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/NOR/NORWAY.html > > guidelines http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~norway/guidelines.htm > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Whow....Bev! What a lot of news! The A-team is back again!!! Reina -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- From: Bev Anderson Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2017 11:52 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [NOR] Drammen, Buskerud help Two of Carl Fredrik's siblings: Digitalarkivet Birth/Baptism Record SAKO, Bragernes kirkebøker, F/Fb/L0006a: Parish register (official) no. II 6A, 1878-1885, p. 7 https://media.digitalarkivet.no/en/kb20051125020500 Record #33 near bottom of page. She was born 11 August 1877, Baptized 24 March 1878. Buskerud slektshistorielag: Døypte i Bragernes prestegjeld 1878-1885 http://gda.arkivverket.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=1&filnamn=dp06021878bra&gardpostnr=69&personpostnr=478&merk=478#ovre Page Serial no. Year Baptised 69 7 33 1878 24.03 Role Position Given name Last name Sex Residence Date of birth Year of birth Legit.(e)/illegit.(u) 477 barn Inger Charlotte k 14.12 1877 e 478 far Smedsvend Frederik M. Christophersen m Thornegaden 1857 479 mor Inger Elisabeth Pedersen k Thornegaden 1857 480 fadder Inger Karine Johansdr k 481 fadder Hanna Halvorsen k 482 fadder Smedgut Oluf Frederiksen m Digitalarkivet 2017. Rettar til databasen: Buskerud slektshistorielag. Versjon frå 11/24/2010. Talet på oppslag: 0 (0 i dag) WebCens © Jan Oldervoll 1998-2017 Digitalarkivet Birth/Baptism Record SAKO, Bragernes kirkebøker, F/Fb/L0006a: Parish register (official) no. II 6A, 1878-1885, p. 185 https://media.digitalarkivet.no/en/kb20051125020684 Record #200, bottom half of the page. Buskerud slektshistorielag: Døypte i Bragernes prestegjeld 1878-1885 http://gda.arkivverket.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=1&filnamn=dp06021878bra&gardpostnr=1970&personpostnr=14572&merk=14572#ovre Page Serial no. Year Baptised 1970 185 200 1882 26.12 Role Position Given name Last name Sex Residence Date of birth Year of birth Legit.(e)/illegit.(u) 14571 barn Anna Marie k 16.11 1882 e 14572 far Smedsvend Fredrik Christophersen m Nyveien 1857 14573 mor Inger Elise Pedersen k Nyveien 1857 14574 fadder Anne Olaussen k 14575 fadder Alette Olaussen k 14576 fadder Sagarbeider Ole Nilsen m 14577 fadder Smedsvend Johan Torgersen m 14578 fadder Bødker Ole Eriksen m Digitalarkivet 2017. Rettar til databasen: Buskerud slektshistorielag. Versjon frå 11/24/2010. Talet på oppslag: 0 (0 i dag) WebCens © Jan Oldervoll 1998-2017 Beste, Bev On 2/14/2017 11:12 AM, Virginia Lindsey wrote: > I am trying to help the children of a sweet 96 year old friend with their > fathers genealogy as they plan a trip to Norway this year to follow his > path. However, I am completely frustrated. Perhaps I am not using the > Digitalarkivet correctly or ?? > > I am looking for information about the following: > > Carl Frederik Christoffersen -I have his baptism 4 April 1880 in Bragernes > kirke, Drammen. I can find no other information about him. He did > immigrate > to the US. There is a last name change here. > > His parents Frederik Martinus Olsen I have his baptism 1 June 1857 > Bragernes > kirke, Drammen. No other information. He married Inger Elise Carlsen-no > information on her at all. > > His parents Olaus Christoffersen. I have his baptism 26 February 1825 > Stromso kirke, Drammen. No other information. He married Anne Kristine > Olsdatter-no information on her at all. > > His parents, Christoffer Myhre and Elen Maria Johansdatter-no information. > > I have been unable to find marriages, information on any of the women nor > any of the people on the 1865, 1875 or 1885 censuses. Where am I going > wrong? > > Thank you for any help. > > Virginia Lindsey > > Norwaylist Archiveshttp://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=norway RESUBSCRIBE UNSUB http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/NOR/NORWAY.html guidelines http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~norway/guidelines.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Perhaps if someone could find an obit for Bertha Hendrickson Adams, it might say something about Alfred. Possibility anyway. -- Carol Stekel

Hello Virginia, I think it is the right family in 1900 census. But, you must ask your friend about the siblings names of Carl Frederik and you must ask which year Carl has been emigrating. Or look at the USA censusrecords yourself. Because its very difficult searching in Drammen/Bragernes records, some records are missing around 1880 and around 1855. Reina -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- From: Don Angevine Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2017 11:06 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [NOR] Drammen, Buskerud help Might this be him with his parents in the 1900 Census ? < https://digitalarkivet.arkivverket.no/ft/person/pf01037120001947 > Don in Maine USA

:-) There is something positive to be said for getting a pacemaker and ablation process and solving three of four heart ailments because of it (done 9 Nov '16); I'll be pacemaker dependent for the rest of my life. :-) I've pretty much recovered from all that, feel better, but still tire easily, still sleep a lot. Now I've got my days and nights turned around again, so when it's midday for you, it's time for me to go to sleep. My cat has become very clingy and is sometimes a pest since I had the procedures done so I tend to sleep when she does and be awake when she is. (Oh, the things we do for our pets! ;-)) I think there's more to be found for this family (the secret to finding it will be in the old DA web site where some of the records have been transcribed and there are links to the parish records) and scrolling through parish records. I don't know when Inger Elisabeth moved from Vestfold to Drammen/Bragernes. I tried to find the emigration records, didn't find any satisfactory hits, but I don't know if Carl Fredrik Christopherson (of whatever spelling or name) came to the US before or after 1900, or where he settled when he did get here. Utflytting records are not transcribed for the time period he would have emigrated, so I don't know where to start looking without some idea of a year of emigration/immigration. Maybe Virginia can find out that info so the Listers can find the info in Norwegian records. Virginia's friend: 96 years old and traveling to Norway! Wow, I'm jealous! Like you and the rest of the A-Team, I'm getting a kick out of finding this info so she can "walk in the footsteps of her ancestors" because of the genealogy info. I hope she has a laptop computer with her where she can have copies of the records and know just where to go to see where her ancestors lived and worked. Smiles and Best Wishes, Bev On 2/15/2017 5:17 AM, [email protected] wrote: > Whow....Bev! > > What a lot of news! > The A-team is back again!!! > > Reina > > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- From: Bev Anderson > Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2017 11:52 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [NOR] Drammen, Buskerud help

Two of Carl Fredrik's siblings: Digitalarkivet Birth/Baptism Record SAKO, Bragernes kirkebøker, F/Fb/L0006a: Parish register (official) no. II 6A, 1878-1885, p. 7 https://media.digitalarkivet.no/en/kb20051125020500 Record #33 near bottom of page. She was born 11 August 1877, Baptized 24 March 1878. Buskerud slektshistorielag: Døypte i Bragernes prestegjeld 1878-1885 http://gda.arkivverket.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=1&filnamn=dp06021878bra&gardpostnr=69&personpostnr=478&merk=478#ovre Page Serial no. Year Baptised 69 7 33 1878 24.03 Role Position Given name Last name Sex Residence Date of birth Year of birth Legit.(e)/illegit.(u) 477 barn Inger Charlotte k 14.12 1877 e 478 far Smedsvend Frederik M. Christophersen m Thornegaden 1857 479 mor Inger Elisabeth Pedersen k Thornegaden 1857 480 fadder Inger Karine Johansdr k 481 fadder Hanna Halvorsen k 482 fadder Smedgut Oluf Frederiksen m Digitalarkivet 2017. Rettar til databasen: Buskerud slektshistorielag. Versjon frå 11/24/2010. Talet på oppslag: 0 (0 i dag) WebCens © Jan Oldervoll 1998-2017 Digitalarkivet Birth/Baptism Record SAKO, Bragernes kirkebøker, F/Fb/L0006a: Parish register (official) no. II 6A, 1878-1885, p. 185 https://media.digitalarkivet.no/en/kb20051125020684 Record #200, bottom half of the page. Buskerud slektshistorielag: Døypte i Bragernes prestegjeld 1878-1885 http://gda.arkivverket.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=1&filnamn=dp06021878bra&gardpostnr=1970&personpostnr=14572&merk=14572#ovre Page Serial no. Year Baptised 1970 185 200 1882 26.12 Role Position Given name Last name Sex Residence Date of birth Year of birth Legit.(e)/illegit.(u) 14571 barn Anna Marie k 16.11 1882 e 14572 far Smedsvend Fredrik Christophersen m Nyveien 1857 14573 mor Inger Elise Pedersen k Nyveien 1857 14574 fadder Anne Olaussen k 14575 fadder Alette Olaussen k 14576 fadder Sagarbeider Ole Nilsen m 14577 fadder Smedsvend Johan Torgersen m 14578 fadder Bødker Ole Eriksen m Digitalarkivet 2017. Rettar til databasen: Buskerud slektshistorielag. Versjon frå 11/24/2010. Talet på oppslag: 0 (0 i dag) WebCens © Jan Oldervoll 1998-2017 Beste, Bev On 2/14/2017 11:12 AM, Virginia Lindsey wrote: > I am trying to help the children of a sweet 96 year old friend with their > fathers genealogy as they plan a trip to Norway this year to follow his > path. However, I am completely frustrated. Perhaps I am not using the > Digitalarkivet correctly or ?? > > I am looking for information about the following: > > Carl Frederik Christoffersen -I have his baptism 4 April 1880 in Bragernes > kirke, Drammen. I can find no other information about him. He did immigrate > to the US. There is a last name change here. > > His parents Frederik Martinus Olsen I have his baptism 1 June 1857 Bragernes > kirke, Drammen. No other information. He married Inger Elise Carlsen-no > information on her at all. > > His parents Olaus Christoffersen. I have his baptism 26 February 1825 > Stromso kirke, Drammen. No other information. He married Anne Kristine > Olsdatter-no information on her at all. > > His parents, Christoffer Myhre and Elen Maria Johansdatter-no information. > > I have been unable to find marriages, information on any of the women nor > any of the people on the 1865, 1875 or 1885 censuses. Where am I going > wrong? > > Thank you for any help. > > Virginia Lindsey > >

Digitalarkivet Marriage Record SAKO, Bragernes kirkebøker, F/Fc/L0004: Parish register (official) no. III 4, 1875-1877, p. 77 https://media.digitalarkivet.no/en/kb20060912080061 Record #60, 18 November 1877 Ungkarl (unmarried man), Smedsvend Fredrik Martinus Christofersen, born at Bragernæs Sogn, Bragernæs Prestegjeld, Buskerud, date of birth 1 June 1857. Father is Olaus Christophersen. [Fredrik's patronymic name was Olaussen.] Pige (unmarried woman), Inger Elisabeth Pedersen, born at Skouger Prestegjeld (Brg...?) [Vestfold], 9 May 1857. Father is Carl Antoni Pedersen. [Inger's patronymic name was Carlsdatter/Karlsdatter.] Digitalarkivet Birth/Baptism Record SAKO, Skoger kirkebøker, F/Fa/L0003: Parish register (official) no. I 3, 1842-1861, p. 104 https://media.digitalarkivet.no/en/kb20051110010814 Record #75, Born 9 May 1857, Baptized 26 July 1857, Inger Elisabeth, legitimate birth. Parents: Skibstømmermand [ship's carpenter] Carl Antoni Pedersen and his wife Inger Karine Johansdatter, residing at Hedensrudtangen. Digitalarkivet Birth/Baptism Record SAKO, Bragernes kirkebøker, F/Fb/L0002: Parish register (official) no. II 2, 1848-1859, p. 104 https://media.digitalarkivet.no/en/kb20051125010759 In the patronymic naming system, Frederik Martinus Olavussen would be the child's name. Alternate spellings would be Olsen, Oluvsen, Olausen, Olavsen, etc. Frederik Martinus was baptized at home, probably shortly after his birth on 1 June, and the ceremony at the church on 6 Sept would have been to confirm the home baptism. GDS-Buskerud: Døypte i Bragernes prestegjeld 1848-1859 http://gda.arkivverket.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=1&filnamn=dp06021848bra&gardpostnr=253&personpostnr=1903&merk=1903#ovre Prot. ref. Page Serial no. Year Baptised Local parish/Church Remarks 253 Bragernes MINI II 2 104 107 1857 06.09. 1857 Bragernæs K: Hj.døpt av provst Petersen Role Position Given name Last name Sex Residence Date of birth Year of birth Legit.(e)/illegit.(u) 1903 Barn Frederik Martinius M 01.06. 1857 E 1904 Far Arbeider Olavus Christophersen Konggaden 1905 Mor Anne K Olsdt Konggaden 1906 Fadder K. Ingeborg Jacobsdt K 1907 Fadder P Maren K. Andersdt K 1908 Fadder Anders Andersen M 1909 Fadder Anders Thollisen M 1910 Fadder Johannes Olsen M Digitalarkivet 2017. Rettar til databasen: GDS-Buskerud. Versjon frå 5/11/2006. Talet på oppslag: 0 (0 i dag) WebCens © Jan Oldervoll 1998-2017 On 2/14/2017 11:12 AM, Virginia Lindsey wrote: > I am trying to help the children of a sweet 96 year old friend with their > fathers genealogy as they plan a trip to Norway this year to follow his > path. However, I am completely frustrated. Perhaps I am not using the > Digitalarkivet correctly or ?? > > I am looking for information about the following: > > Carl Frederik Christoffersen -I have his baptism 4 April 1880 in Bragernes > kirke, Drammen. I can find no other information about him. He did immigrate > to the US. There is a last name change here. > > His parents Frederik Martinus Olsen I have his baptism 1 June 1857 Bragernes > kirke, Drammen. No other information. He married Inger Elise Carlsen-no > information on her at all. > > His parents Olaus Christoffersen. I have his baptism 26 February 1825 > Stromso kirke, Drammen. No other information. He married Anne Kristine > Olsdatter-no information on her at all. > > His parents, Christoffer Myhre and Elen Maria Johansdatter-no information. > > I have been unable to find marriages, information on any of the women nor > any of the people on the 1865, 1875 or 1885 censuses. Where am I going > wrong? > > Thank you for any help. > > Virginia Lindsey > > > > > > Norwaylist Archiveshttp://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=norway > > RESUBSCRIBE UNSUB > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/NOR/NORWAY.html > > guidelines http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~norway/guidelines.htm > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Lars, Good possibility this is Alfred Adams. There is a Clackamas County, Oregon connection with a first wife from there. There are also Adams and Dawson families in Bogle Township, Gentry County, Missouri. Witness at marriage matches his business partner. The 25 years could be in the Pacific Northwest rather than just Seattle (ca. 1875 to 1901) December 30, 1891 Alfred Adams, age 28, first marriage, white, residence, Seattle, laborer Born Ellenville, Iowa; parents John Adams and Polly Ann Dawson? Bride's Name: Ellen Arnold, age 17, first marriage, white, residence, Seattle Born Clackamas County, Oregon; parents Charles Arnold and M. Jane Richards Marriage Date: December 30, 1891, Seattle, King County, Washington Witnesses – Clinton B. and Mary Little 1890 Seattle, Washington Alfred D. Adams, Rooms 421 Main -- Patterson and Adams Second hand goods – Alfred Adams and John Patterson 1892 Seattle, Washington Alfred D. Adams, 421 -1/2 Main Adams & Little (Alfred D Adams and Clinton Little) – hardware 1892 Washington Territorial Census – Seattle, King, Washington A. Adams, 27, male, confectioner, born Missouri N. Adams, 15, female, clerk, born Oregon 1893 Seattle, Washington Alfred D. Adams, 421 Main, resides same – cigars and tobacco 1894 Seattle, Washington Alfred D. Adams, 421 Main, resides same -- cigars and tobacco January 19, 1896 Nellie L. Adams, age 19, consumption, married, 1626 7th, Mount Pleasant Cemetery (same as Alfred in 1901) died Seattle on January 19, 1896 1901 Seattle, Washington Alfred Adams, 2516 Western Ave., teamster -------------------------------------------- On Mon, 2/13/17, Lars E. Oyane <[email protected]> wrote: Subject: Re: [NOR] Alfred Adams of Seattle, WA - killed on Dec. 24, 1901? To: [email protected] Cc: "Sarah Thorson Little" <[email protected]>, "Bill Henshaw" <[email protected]> Date: Monday, February 13, 2017, 3:31 AM Dear Sarah, Bill and other Listers! Thank you very much for your efforts trying to identify and find further information about Alfred Adams! It is interesting to read he had resided in Seattle, WA for 25 years at the time of his death, and still there is absolutely no sign of him there before 1900! I do suspect, however, he be identical to this gentleman from the 1880 census of Eagle Creek Precinct, Clackamah Co., OR: JONES, E. D.  55  OH  NY  NY  farmerADAMS, Alferd  15  MO  MO  MO  servant And this Alfred is probably the one who in 1870 at the age of 5, born in MO, was a (foster?) child with Jacob and Anna Elizabeth Ochsenbein of Swiss origin farming in Bogle township, Gentry Co., MO.  The Ochsenbeins moved in the 1870’s to Milwaukie, Clackamas Co., OR where Jacob died as a widower May 16, 1884. It sounds like Alfred Adams’ life story is a hard one to trace… Thanks again for your great interest and efforts in this matter! Very sincerely yours, Lars E. Oyane ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ On Feb 13, 2017, at 4:07 AM, Sarah Thorson Little <[email protected]> wrote: Alfred Adams' death record states he died at Providence Hospital three hours after the incident. chief cause of death: fractured bones of face and skull; contributing cause of death: lifelong history of epilepsy.  It looks more likely it was a medical issue rather than a criminal event since the contributing cause would have listed an assault or accident etc. It also states Alfred had lived in Seattle for 25 years and was 36 years of age. Sarah Thorson Little ~~~~~ On Feb 12, 2017, at 12:37 AM, Bill Henshaw <[email protected]> wrote: Lars, I looked at the Seattle Times historical newspaper archives and the newspapers for 12/22/1901 - 12/31/1902 are gone.  I can't find any reference to him before 12/22/1901 or after 12/31/1902.  If an article was written about what happened or if an obituary was put in the paper, it must have been between 12/22 and 12/31. Bill ~~~~~ On Sat, Feb 11, 2017 at 05:11 pm, Lars E. Oyane <[email protected]> wrote: Dear Listers! I have today learned of a tragic event in Seattle, WA which I hope someone can help me «clarify»? Bertha Hendrickson from Luster Co., Norway (1859-1943) was married in Tacoma, WA July 21, 1900 to Alfred Adams, a Seattle, WA teamster, supposedly born in Missouri about 1865. Then I find the death record of Alfred ADAM(!) in Seattle, WA on Dec. 24, 1901 - cause of death: FRACTURE OF SKULL! I have no idea what happened, but the cause of death suggests a criminal act, unless he had a very tragic accident!?  In both cases I presume there should be a newspaper write-up about the incident, which I hope can be found? I am also interested in any information that can be found in regard to his origin in Missouri!? Thanks a million in advance for your great assistance in this matter! Very sincerely yours, Lars E. Oyane --------------------------------------------

Your friend's father has a different birth date in the official records in Norway from what you listed. Otto Jorgensen's Dictionary. A smedsvend is a blacksmith's assistant. https://otjoerge.wordpress.com/norwegian-american-dictionary/ Digitalarkivet Birth/Baptism Record (microfilm) SAKO, Bragernes kirkebøker, F/Fb/L0006a: Parish register (official) no. II 6A, 1878-1885, p. 102 https://media.digitalarkivet.no/en/kb20051125020600 Record #119, top half of page. Born 29 April 1880, Baptized 11 July 1880, Carl Fredrik [Fredriksen would be his patronymic name], son of Fredrik M. Christophersen and Inger Elise Carlsen [her patronym is not noted here, but in other records she's listed s Inger Elisabeth Pedersen and Inger Elise Pedersen]. Both parents were born in 1857. Transcribed record (English doesn't stay for headers beyond the first page, so I copied and pasted the English headers): Buskerud slektshistorielag: Døypte i Bragernes prestegjeld 1878-1885 http://gda.arkivverket.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=1&filnamn=dp06021878bra&gardpostnr=1047&personpostnr=7594&merk=7594#ovre Page Serial no. Year Baptised 1047 102 119 1880 11.07 Role Position Given name Last name Sex Residence Date of birth Year of birth Legit.(e)/illegit.(u) 7594 barn Carl Fredrik m 29.04 1880 e 7595 far Smedsvend Fredrik M. Christophersen m Konggaden 1857 7596 mor Inger Elise Carlsen k Konggaden 1857 7597 fadder Inger Karine Johansen k 7598 fadder Anette Olaussen k 7599 fadder Smedsvend Johan Torgersen m 7600 fadder Sagarbeider Ole Nilsen m 7601 fadder Malersvend Johan Pedersen m Digitalarkivet 2017. Rettar til databasen: Buskerud slektshistorielag. Versjon frå 11/24/2010. Talet på oppslag: 0 (0 i dag) WebCens © Jan Oldervoll 1998-2017 Beste, Bev On 2/14/2017 11:12 AM, Virginia Lindsey wrote: > I am trying to help the children of a sweet 96 year old friend with their > fathers genealogy as they plan a trip to Norway this year to follow his > path. However, I am completely frustrated. Perhaps I am not using the > Digitalarkivet correctly or ?? > > I am looking for information about the following: > > Carl Frederik Christoffersen -I have his baptism 4 April 1880 in Bragernes > kirke, Drammen. I can find no other information about him. He did immigrate > to the US. There is a last name change here. > > His parents Frederik Martinus Olsen I have his baptism 1 June 1857 Bragernes > kirke, Drammen. No other information. He married Inger Elise Carlsen-no > information on her at all. > > His parents Olaus Christoffersen. I have his baptism 26 February 1825 > Stromso kirke, Drammen. No other information. He married Anne Kristine > Olsdatter-no information on her at all. > > His parents, Christoffer Myhre and Elen Maria Johansdatter-no information. > > I have been unable to find marriages, information on any of the women nor > any of the people on the 1865, 1875 or 1885 censuses. Where am I going > wrong? > > Thank you for any help. > > Virginia Lindsey > > >