I noticed in the 1930 census information given by Jerry Lloyd that families were asked if they had a radio set. That shows how important the government thought this new form of communication was. Though Herbert Hoover was President in 1930, as the US sank into the Great Depression, it was our next President, F.D. Roosevelt who made good use of radio broadcasts with "Fireside Chats." While some farms had electricity in 1930, many did not. Roosevelt and Congress passed the Rural Electrification Act of 1936, which assisted in the creation of the electrical infrastructure out here in the countryside. A radio set for farm use, made before 1930, would usually be battery operated. Before 1927, all radios were battery operated. When my dad was a child on the farm, his dad parked the car near a window and ran wires into the radio, to use the car's battery. Those radios also required two more types of batteries to power the vacuum tubes. Additionally, my dad's family strung a long wire out to a tree branch to serve as an antenna. There were few radio stations at that time, so sensitivity was important. The early radios were very sensitive, and with the lack of computers and other electrical background noise, a radio station several hundred miles away could be heard. Jim B in Minnesota -----Original Message----- From: Jerry Lloyd [mailto:jlloyd@midco.net] Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2018 1:55 PM To: norway@rootsweb.com Subject: [NOR] Re: Ingeborg Raum Nordvall - born in Jostedal 1848 - widowed at Sebeka, MN in 1924 - what became of her? Save  Print Share Andrew Raaum in the 1930 United States Federal Census View 1930 United States Federal Census View blank form Add alternate information Report issue Name: Andrew Raaum Birth Year: abt 1878 Gender: Male Race: White Birthplace: Norway Marital Status: Married Relation to Head of House: Head Home in 1930: Clinton, Divide, North Dakota, USA Map of Home: View Map Dwelling Number: 5 Family Number: 5 Home Owned or Rented: Owned Radio Set: Yes Lives on Farm: Yes Age at First Marriage: 24 Attended School: No Able to Read and Write: Yes Father's Birthplace: Norway Mother's Birthplace: Norway Language Spoken: Norwegian Immigration Year: 1883 Naturalization: Naturalized Able to Speak English: Yes Occupation: Farmer Industry: General farm Class of Worker: Working on own account Employment: Yes Household Members: Name Age Andrew Raaum 52 Emma Raaum 46 Lewis Raaum 21 Irene Raaum 15 Neighbors: View others on page -----Original Message----- From: Lars E. Oyane Sent: Wednesday, May 9, 2018 5:24 AM To: norway@rootsweb.com Subject: [NOR] Ingeborg Raum Nordvall - born in Jostedal 1848 - widowed at Sebeka, MN in 1924 - what became of her? Dear Listers! Are you ready for another «challenge» in Minnesota, or wherever this family ended up? Ingeborg Andersdotter Raaum, born in Jostedal, Luster Co., Norway Jan. 8, 1848, emigrated in 1901 from Sogndal and married at Sebeka, Wadena Co., MN Nov. 11, 1903 to a widower, Nels Peter Nordvall, born in Borgsjo, Sweden May 21, 1851. They farmed in Rockwood township near Sebeka, Wadena Co., MN where Nels died Apr. 16, 1924. Ingeborg survived him, but completely DISAPPEARS. I find her nowhere in 1930 or 1940, and she is not in the MNDI. I should mention she did have a son while still unmarried in Norway: * Anders Andersson aka Andrew A. Raaum, born in Luster Co., Norway Sep. 4, 1869, emigrated with his grandmother in 1883 to Buffalo Co., WI, but later lived for a while in Lac qui parle Co., MN as well as in Norway township, Roberts Co., SD where he purchased land in 1901. Then he also DISAPPEARS. Any suggestions as to what became of mother and son in the US (or Canada) would be more than welcome! Very sincerely yours, Lars E. 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Dear Jerry and other Listers! Thank you very much, Jerry, for sending me off list copies of the Idaho death record mentioning Andrew Raaum. I have studied the record, and I discover; John Johnson was indeed born in Luster County, Norway at the Raaum farm, but belongs to an entirely different family! And his father’s name was NOT Andrew Raaum! So, «our» Andrew A. Raaum is still a big «mystery», but maybe if his mother’s obituary can be found, we’ll finally learn what became of the son… Thanks again for your great assistance in this matter! Very sincerely yours, Lars E. Oyane ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > On May 9, 2018, at 4:44 PM, Lars E. Oyane <lars.e.oyane@sdsl.no> wrote: > > Dear Jerry and other Listers! > > Thank you very much, Jerry for your messages in regard to Andrew A. Raaum. > > The one in Divide Co., ND 1930 is a 1st cousin of the Andrew I am looking for, and I have that family well compiled already. > > However, the one you have from the Idaho death index I am unable to find. And your entry doesn’t give us any dates! Could you please send me the exact references to that one? > > Then I can tell you that Ingeborg’s death record just showed up in Minnesota. Here it goes (from FamilySearch): > > Name Mrs. Niles Nordval > Gender Female > Death Date 26 May 1926 > Death Place Shingobee, Cass, Minnesota > Age 78 > Birth Date 1848 > Father's Name Unknown <https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FDQ8-S61> > Mother's Name Unknown <https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FDQ8-SXM> > > And on Find-a-grave there is an entry for her being buried under that rather «corrupted» name at Walker, Cass Co., MN > > https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/82062648/nels-nordval > > And with this information I am obviously VERY INTERESTED in finding Ingeborg’s OBITUARY. Can someone please help me here? > > Thanks again a million for your great assistance in this matter! > > Very sincerely yours, > > Lars E. Oyane > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > >> On May 9, 2018, at 1:55 PM, Jerry Lloyd <jlloyd@midco.net> wrote: >> >> Andrew Raaum >> in the 1930 United States Federal Census >> >> Name: >> Andrew Raaum >> >> Birth Year: >> abt 1878 >> >> Gender: >> Male >> >> Race: >> White >> >> Birthplace: >> Norway >> >> Marital Status: >> Married >> >> Relation to Head of House: >> Head >> >> Home in 1930: >> Clinton, Divide, North Dakota, USA >> >> Home Owned or Rented: >> Owned >> >> Radio Set: >> Yes >> >> Lives on Farm: >> Yes >> >> Age at First Marriage: >> 24 >> >> Attended School: >> No >> >> Able to Read and Write: >> Yes >> >> Father's Birthplace: >> Norway >> >> Mother's Birthplace: >> Norway >> >> Language Spoken: >> Norwegian >> >> Immigration Year: >> 1883 >> >> Naturalization: >> Naturalized >> >> Able to Speak English: >> Yes >> >> Occupation: >> Farmer >> >> Industry: >> General farm >> >> Class of Worker: >> Working on own account >> >> Household Members: >> >> Andrew Raaum 52 >> Emma Raaum 46 >> Lewis Raaum 21 >> Irene Raaum 15 >> >> ~~~~~~~~ >> >> On May 9, 2018, at 1:52 PM, Jerry Lloyd <jlloyd@midco.net> wrote: >> >> Andrew Raaum >> in the Idaho, Death Records, 1890-1966 >> >> Name: >> Andrew Raaum >> >> Gender: >> Male >> >> Birth Place: >> Norway >> >> Spouse: >> Carrie Einarensteter >> >> Child: >> John Johnson >> >> Certificate Number: >> 004305 >> > ~~~~~~~~ > >> -----Original Message----- From: Lars E. Oyane >> Sent: Wednesday, May 9, 2018 5:24 AM >> To: norway@rootsweb.com >> Subject: [NOR] Ingeborg Raum Nordvall - born in Jostedal 1848 - widowed at Sebeka, MN in 1924 - what became of her? >> >> Dear Listers! >> >> Are you ready for another «challenge» in Minnesota, or wherever this family ended up? >> >> Ingeborg Andersdotter Raaum, born in Jostedal, Luster Co., Norway Jan. 8, 1848, emigrated in 1901 from Sogndal and married at Sebeka, Wadena Co., MN Nov. 11, 1903 to a widower, Nels Peter Nordvall, born in Borgsjo, Sweden May 21, 1851. They farmed in Rockwood township near Sebeka, Wadena Co., MN where Nels died Apr. 16, 1924. Ingeborg survived him, but completely DISAPPEARS. I find her nowhere in 1930 or 1940, and she is not in the MNDI. >> >> I should mention she did have a son while still unmarried in Norway: >> >> * Anders Andersson aka Andrew A. Raaum, born in Luster Co., Norway Sep. 4, 1869, emigrated with his grandmother in 1883 to Buffalo Co., WI, but later lived for a while in Lac qui parle Co., MN as well as in Norway township, Roberts Co., SD where he purchased land in 1901. Then he also DISAPPEARS. >> >> Any suggestions as to what became of mother and son in the US (or Canada) would be more than welcome! >> >> Very sincerely yours, >> >> Lars E. Oyane >> >>

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Dear Listers! This family in Memphis, TN continues to surprise me! I have today again talked to the cemetery office on Elvis Presley Avenue in Memphis (the King’s house is just up on the hill from the cemetery, and Elvis Presley was indeed first buried in this very same cemetery!), and it turns out just about the whole family is buried in that same cemetery lot 21 in Section 11. At least seven graves have by now been counted for, and interesting is to see that even Harriet was moved from a different location to the same lot as late as in 1984! But today’s surprise was the discovery of the son: William A. Johnson. He was buried in the family lot on Dec. 7, 1903 after having passed away from consumption at El Paso, TX on Nov. 30, 1903 at the age of 35: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33S7-9Y1Z-XHL?i=560&cc=1983324 It says he had been there for two weeks, and that he was born at Taylorville, KY, which is correct. The only thing we don’t learn is whether he was married! Maybe someone can figure that out? He must have lived in Memphis at the time of the 1900 census! Thanks again for your wonderful assistance completing these «tough» Norwegian biographies! Very sincerely yours, Lars E. Oyane ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > On May 8, 2018, at 12:15 PM, Lars E. Oyane <lars.e.oyane@sdsl.no> wrote: > > Dear Annette, Don and other Listers! > > Thank you very much for your latest messages on this topic, Annette on the list and Don off list! > > Hadn’t it been for Don’s brilliant research, I would never have found Herman Johaneson (Johnson)'s family in Memphis, TN. Thanks again Don for being part of the list, and thanks also to the rest of you brilliant researchers who have so often given me breathtaking assistance tracing various families! Whoever finds the gold mine! > > As far as the Memphis records site is c0ncerned, it has already produced its 1st result, the death record of Ed L. Jackson who married Anna, Herman and Harriet’s oldest daughter: > > https://register.shelby.tn.us/imgView.php?imgtype=pdf&id=8981902042951 > > This record is available neither on ancestry nor on FamilySearch, which is proof enough for me; it’s a great site! Thanks again, Annette, for sharing with us! > > A quick call to the Forest Hill cemetery confirmed that Ed and Anna are indeed buried next to each other in the same grave lot! And Robert Payne, Harriet’s 2nd husband, is there as well, in the very same lot and possibly other relatives...! > > And another possible «hit» with the Memphis site is this death record of W. A. Johnson, a widowed shingle maker who died Mar. 4, 1905, said being born in KY Apr. 17, 1866. Could very well be Herman and Harriet’s son, William Albert, still alive in 1900 and dead by 1910: > > https://register.shelby.tn.us/imgView.php?imgtype=pdf&id=71081905030438 > > I notice he had been a resident of Memphis for just 10 days, coming there from Frenchmans Bayou, AR, so maybe he is not the one after all… Or maybe he had resided in Memphis even before moving to AR? Frenchmans Bayou, AR is just 30 miles from Memphis!! > > Boy, had I only been in the area to check the records myself. Or walk that Forest Hill cemetery to look at the graves in Section 11, Lot 21… > > Thanks again for your great assistance in this matter! > > Very sincerely yours, > > Lars E. Oyane > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > >> On May 7, 2018, at 6:55 PM, Annette Bowen <annette.bowen@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Lars, >> A wonderful source for Memphis records is the Shelby County Register >> of Deeds site. >> >> https://register.shelby.tn.us/index.php >> >> In addition to deeds it has birth marriage and death records, some >> city directories, and other good stuff, all free. >> >> Annette > > ~~~~~~~~~~ >> >> On 5/7/18, Lars E. Oyane <lars.e.oyane@sdsl.no> wrote: >>> Dear Don, Annette and other Listers! >>> >>> Thank you very much for your offline followup reports on the Herman >>> Johaneson family, which I received this morning my time… >>> >>> I have worked my way thru them and updated my manuscript accordingly. I >>> stil cannot quite believe we have found Herman’s 2nd family, and as far as I >>> can see, Lula Hottum still has living descendants thru her daughter, the >>> only known grandchild in Tennessee! >>> >>> I have a few additional comments: >>> >>> * It appears that Harriet operated her boarding house in Memphis, TN from >>> before 1900 until her death in 1921. >>> >>> * And the 1910 census shows us that Harriet at that time only had THREE of >>> eight children still living, so the 4th child still alive in 1900 must have >>> died in between, whether it be William Albert Johnson, born KY 1867, or >>> Lilly Pearl Johnson, born TN 1872? >>> >>> * Christopher and Lula Hottum must have divorced shortly after the turn of >>> the century, since in 1906 Christopher remarried Grace Richardson with whom >>> he had three more children. >>> >>> * Finally I found Anna and her husband Ed L. Jackson, a carpenter born in SC >>> Dec. of 1851, living in Memphis, TN in 1900, and their marriage record shows >>> up on Sep. 14, 1898. However, Ed seems to have died (or they divorced?), >>> since by 1910 Anna was widowed, but the 1913 city directory lists her as >>> «Mrs. E. L. Jackson»! >>> >>> I have had no success finding any additional information about this Ed L. >>> Jackson, neither have I identified Robert P. Payne, Harriet’s 2nd husband, >>> who in 1900 was a single railroad clerk in Memphis, TN, born in GA about >>> 1852… >>> >>> Thanks again for your wonderful assistance tracing this family in a very >>> «non-Norwegian» part of America! >>> >>> Very sincerely yours, >>> >>> Lars E. Oyane >>> >>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~ >>> >>>> On May 6, 2018, at 8:33 PM, Lars E. Oyane <lars.e.oyane@sdsl.no> wrote: >>>> >>>> Dear Don and other Listers! >>>> >>>> Thanks a million, Don, for all the great information you have sent me off >>>> list about Herman Johaneson/Johnson and his «2nd» family. I am amazed >>>> with all you have found. I still need to organize my notes, but I have >>>> found some interesting details which may lead to obituaries? >>>> >>>> In particular would I like to mention, I discovered that Harriet and >>>> Herman must have divorced, since Harriet remarried in Memphis, TN Nov. 14, >>>> 1906 to Robert P. Payne, a railroad clerk from GA. He died in Memphis, TN >>>> already on Oct. 9, 1910, while Harriet Payne died in Memphis, TN on Apr. >>>> 15, 1921. >>>> >>>> Maybe there would also be obituaries for one or more of Herman and >>>> Harriet’s daughters, who all died in Memphis, TN as well: >>>> >>>> * Anna Nellie Jackson, died Mar. 26, 1923 >>>> >>>> * Jessie Stanton, died Mar. 17, 1923 >>>> >>>> * Lula Nora Hottum, died Aug. 23, 1928 >>>> >>>> Thanks again for your great assistance tracing this so very «elusive» >>>> family! >>>> >>>> Very sincerely yours, >>>> >>>> Lars E. Oyane >>>> >>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >>>> >>>>> On May 6, 2018, at 3:52 PM, Lars E. Oyane <lars.e.oyane@sdsl.no >>>>> <mailto:lars.e.oyane@sdsl.no>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Dear Don and other Listers! >>>>> >>>>> I cannot express my pleasure in words! Thanks a million, Don, for a >>>>> wonderful message which brings me almost to Heaven of gratitude! I am >>>>> highly impressed with your findings, and as I read your message, I see we >>>>> just have to keep our eyes open for ALL possibilities, even when it comes >>>>> to birth places. I quickly looked up Herman in the 1870 and 1880 >>>>> censuses where you said he would be, and yes, one place born in SWEDEN, >>>>> and one place born in IRELAND. And the 1900 census for Memphis, TN has >>>>> Harriet’s children’s father born in INDIANA! >>>>> >>>>> And then I went to check the Indiana State marriage records which are >>>>> online with ancestry.com <http://ancestry.com/><http://ancestry.com/ >>>>> <http://ancestry.com/>>, and I found this: >>>>> >>>>> Harman JOHNSON and Harriet E. HETH were married in Floyd Co., IN June 23, >>>>> 1863 (while he was still officially married to his wife in Norway!), and >>>>> I find Harriet E. Heth in the 1850 census aged 6 residing with her >>>>> parents in Corydon, Harrison Co., IN. >>>>> >>>>> Now I am of course very anxious to learn what more you have found out >>>>> about Harriet and her children! I notice from the 1900 census she was >>>>> the mother of eight children, with four living. By the way, I cannot >>>>> find Harriet in 1910 or in any local death indexes… >>>>> >>>>> Thanks again, Don, for really making my day! Now I am going to have a >>>>> late supper which I will enjoy thinking about all that great family >>>>> history stuff! >>>>> >>>>> Very sincerely yours, >>>>> >>>>> Lars E. Oyane >>>>> >>>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >>>>> >>>>>> On May 6, 2018, at 1:08 PM, Don Angevine <dangevin@megalink.net >>>>>> <mailto:dangevin@megalink.net>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Polymyalgia Rheumatica Overview: >>>>>> Polymyalgia rheumatica is an inflammatory disorder that causes muscle >>>>>> pain and stiffness, especially in the shoulders. Symptoms of polymyalgia >>>>>> rheumatica (pol-e-my-AL-juh rue-MAT-ih-kuh) usually begin quickly and >>>>>> are worse in the morning. Most people who develop polymyalgia rheumatica >>>>>> are older than 65. It rarely affects people under 50. >>>>>> >>>>>> You may receive symptom relief by taking anti-inflammatory drugs called >>>>>> corticosteroids. But relapses are common, and you'll need to visit your >>>>>> doctor regularly to watch for serious side effects of these drugs. >>>>>> >>>>>> Polymyalgia rheumatica is related to another inflammatory disorder >>>>>> called giant cell arteritis, which can cause headaches, vision >>>>>> difficulties, jaw pain and scalp tenderness. It's possible to have both >>>>>> of these conditions together. >>>>>> >>>>>> Trigeminal Neuralgia Overview: >>>>>> Trigeminal neuralgia is a chronic pain condition that affects the >>>>>> trigeminal nerve, which carries sensation from your face to your brain. >>>>>> If you have trigeminal neuralgia, even mild stimulation of your face — >>>>>> such as from brushing your teeth or putting on makeup — may trigger a >>>>>> jolt of excruciating pain. >>>>>> >>>>>> You may initially experience short, mild attacks. But trigeminal >>>>>> neuralgia can progress and cause longer, more-frequent bouts of searing >>>>>> pain. Trigeminal neuralgia affects women more often than men, and it's >>>>>> more likely to occur in people who are older than 50. >>>>>> >>>>>> Because of the variety of treatment options available, having trigeminal >>>>>> neuralgia doesn't necessarily mean you're doomed to a life of pain. >>>>>> Doctors usually can effectively manage trigeminal neuralgia with >>>>>> medications, injections or surgery. >>>>>> >>>>> ~~~~~~~~~~ >>>>>> >>>>>> On May 6, 2018, at 1:06 PM, Don Angevine <dangevin@megalink.net >>>>>> <mailto:dangevin@megalink.net> <mailto:dangevin@megalink.net >>>>>> <mailto:dangevin@megalink.net>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Lars, >>>>>> >>>>>> I have solved most of this query regarding Herman's wife and family, >>>>>> over the course of an intense 14 hour sitting! Having said that, I have >>>>>> not been successful in finding much of anything about the end of >>>>>> Herman's life. >>>>>> >>>>>> This has been one of the most challenging searches I have ever >>>>>> encountered, as the records for them are very inaccurate in many cases, >>>>>> regarding age, name changes -- they defaulted to "Johnson" -- and the >>>>>> use of first and middle names interchangeably for first names. Herman is >>>>>> shown to be from Sweden and Ireland in some cases. That would explain >>>>>> your difficulty if you were screwing your searches down too tightly, and >>>>>> excluding them inadvertently. >>>>>> >>>>>> I do not subscribe to any paid services, such as Ancestry.com >>>>>> <http://ancestry.com/> <http://ancestry.com/ <http://ancestry.com/>>, so >>>>>> links to them are not useful to me. I will be sending you a flood of >>>>>> files off-List, and I'd appreciate it if you could copy and paste the >>>>>> info you have about Herman's last years to me as well. >>>>>> >>>>>> BTW, the Harriet Randall you found is not correct. I have not, as yet, >>>>>> found an actual marriage record, but Herman was married to Harriet Ellen >>>>>> Held from Croydon, Indiana. They had several children, their first, >>>>>> Anna, coming around the time of his military discharge. For a long time >>>>>> in my search there was a long gap in the ages of the children, after >>>>>> Anna, and all girls, until near the end of my looking last night, when I >>>>>> found other children, including at least a couple of males with very >>>>>> common names, thus difficult to winnow out. >>>>>> >>>>>> None of the women I followed were successful in marriage, using the >>>>>> common "Widowed" in the records instead of "Divorced". I believe that is >>>>>> also what happened to Herman and Harriet in the end. >>>>>> >>>>>> I followed three daughters to their death, two dying within one week in >>>>>> 1923, victims of a "lysteria" outbreak in the USA and Europe. It was the >>>>>> death certificate record for their first child, Anna, that tipped me off >>>>>> to their mother's maiden name, and got this search rolling. >>>>>> >>>>>> From the time of Herman's military discharge, they lived in Spencer >>>>>> County, Kentucky, then Montgomery County, Tennessee, and eventually >>>>>> Memphis, TN. He is listed as Taylor-Farmer or just as Taylor. >>>>>> >>>>>> Don in Maine USA >>>>>> >>>>> ~~~~~~~~~~ >>>>>> >>>>>> On May 5, 2018, at 2:36 PM, Lars E. Oyane <lars.e.oyane@sdsl.no >>>>>> <mailto:lars.e.oyane@sdsl.no> <mailto:lars.e.oyane@sdsl.no >>>>>> <mailto:lars.e.oyane@sdsl.no>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Dear Listers! >>>>>> >>>>>> I have for many years been trying to figure out what happened to this >>>>>> guy from Hafslo who in 1861 left his wife and four children in Bergen, >>>>>> Norway to seek his fortune in America. Today I have finally managed to >>>>>> find his death notice, but details are hard to get by. Maybe someone >>>>>> can help me? >>>>>> >>>>>> Hermund Johannesson Jordanger - in America known as Herman Johaneson - >>>>>> was born in Hafslo, Norway Apr. 15, 1829. In the spring of 1861 he left >>>>>> Bergen, probably with Chicago, IL as his destination, but this document, >>>>>> which I found today, shows that he enlisted in Wisconsin 16th Company B (another source says >>>>>> Wisconsin 15th) at Milwaukee, WI on Sep. 18, 1861, and he was discharged >>>>>> at Louisville, KY Feb. 23, 1863 due to disability. I understand the >>>>>> document to say he was to reside at Memphis, TN working as a tailor, but >>>>>> in 1889 he entered the Veteran’s Home in Dayton, OH where he died May 4, >>>>>> 1910. His closest relative is listed as brother Trond (Jordanger) in >>>>>> Marifjora, Norway, but he is also said to be married leaving his widow >>>>>> Harriet Johaneson in Memphis, TN! >>>>>> >>>>>> Now I have three main questions: >>>>>> >>>>>> * Do we have on the list some military expert who can possibly locate >>>>>> more detailed information about Herman’s military service, for example >>>>>> where he resided when he enlisted and which battles he took part in? >>>>>> >>>>>> * I have looked all over for census information about Herman and/or >>>>>> Harriet Johaneson (and alternative spellings), but I come out entirely >>>>>> «blank». Not even the Memphis, TN city directories can be of any help. >>>>>> Maybe someone has better eyes than I do? >>>>>> >>>>>> * Finally, is it possible to locate an obituary for this Civil War >>>>>> veteran? >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks a million in advance for your wonderful assistance in this >>>>>> matter! >>>>>> >>>>>> Very sincerely yours, >>>>>> >>>>>> Lars E. Oyane >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________

Dear Jerry and other Listers! Thank you very much, Jerry for your messages in regard to Andrew A. Raaum. The one in Divide Co., ND 1930 is a 1st cousin of the Andrew I am looking for, and I have that family well compiled already. However, the one you have from the Idaho death index I am unable to find. And your entry doesn’t give us any dates! Could you please send me the exact references to that one? Then I can tell you that Ingeborg’s death record just showed up in Minnesota. Here it goes (from FamilySearch): Name Mrs. Niles Nordval Gender Female Death Date 26 May 1926 Death Place Shingobee, Cass, Minnesota Age 78 Birth Date 1848 Father's Name Unknown <https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FDQ8-S61> Mother's Name Unknown <https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FDQ8-SXM> And on Find-a-grave there is an entry for her being buried under that rather «corrupted» name at Walker, Cass Co., MN https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/82062648/nels-nordval And with this information I am obviously VERY INTERESTED in finding Ingeborg’s OBITUARY. Can someone please help me here? Thanks again a million for your great assistance in this matter! Very sincerely yours, Lars E. Oyane ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > On May 9, 2018, at 1:55 PM, Jerry Lloyd <jlloyd@midco.net> wrote: > > Andrew Raaum > in the 1930 United States Federal Census > > Name: > Andrew Raaum > > Birth Year: > abt 1878 > > Gender: > Male > > Race: > White > > Birthplace: > Norway > > Marital Status: > Married > > Relation to Head of House: > Head > > Home in 1930: > Clinton, Divide, North Dakota, USA > > Home Owned or Rented: > Owned > > Radio Set: > Yes > > Lives on Farm: > Yes > > Age at First Marriage: > 24 > > Attended School: > No > > Able to Read and Write: > Yes > > Father's Birthplace: > Norway > > Mother's Birthplace: > Norway > > Language Spoken: > Norwegian > > Immigration Year: > 1883 > > Naturalization: > Naturalized > > Able to Speak English: > Yes > > Occupation: > Farmer > > Industry: > General farm > > Class of Worker: > Working on own account > > Household Members: > > Andrew Raaum 52 > Emma Raaum 46 > Lewis Raaum 21 > Irene Raaum 15 > > ~~~~~~~~ > > On May 9, 2018, at 1:52 PM, Jerry Lloyd <jlloyd@midco.net> wrote: > > Andrew Raaum > in the Idaho, Death Records, 1890-1966 > > Name: > Andrew Raaum > > Gender: > Male > > Birth Place: > Norway > > Spouse: > Carrie Einarensteter > > Child: > John Johnson > > Certificate Number: > 004305 > ~~~~~~~~ > -----Original Message----- From: Lars E. Oyane > Sent: Wednesday, May 9, 2018 5:24 AM > To: norway@rootsweb.com > Subject: [NOR] Ingeborg Raum Nordvall - born in Jostedal 1848 - widowed at Sebeka, MN in 1924 - what became of her? > > Dear Listers! > > Are you ready for another «challenge» in Minnesota, or wherever this family ended up? > > Ingeborg Andersdotter Raaum, born in Jostedal, Luster Co., Norway Jan. 8, 1848, emigrated in 1901 from Sogndal and married at Sebeka, Wadena Co., MN Nov. 11, 1903 to a widower, Nels Peter Nordvall, born in Borgsjo, Sweden May 21, 1851. They farmed in Rockwood township near Sebeka, Wadena Co., MN where Nels died Apr. 16, 1924. Ingeborg survived him, but completely DISAPPEARS. I find her nowhere in 1930 or 1940, and she is not in the MNDI. > > I should mention she did have a son while still unmarried in Norway: > > * Anders Andersson aka Andrew A. Raaum, born in Luster Co., Norway Sep. 4, 1869, emigrated with his grandmother in 1883 to Buffalo Co., WI, but later lived for a while in Lac qui parle Co., MN as well as in Norway township, Roberts Co., SD where he purchased land in 1901. Then he also DISAPPEARS. > > Any suggestions as to what became of mother and son in the US (or Canada) would be more than welcome! > > Very sincerely yours, > > Lars E. Oyane > >

Save  Print Share Andrew Raaum in the 1930 United States Federal Census View 1930 United States Federal Census View blank form Add alternate information Report issue Name: Andrew Raaum Birth Year: abt 1878 Gender: Male Race: White Birthplace: Norway Marital Status: Married Relation to Head of House: Head Home in 1930: Clinton, Divide, North Dakota, USA Map of Home: View Map Dwelling Number: 5 Family Number: 5 Home Owned or Rented: Owned Radio Set: Yes Lives on Farm: Yes Age at First Marriage: 24 Attended School: No Able to Read and Write: Yes Father's Birthplace: Norway Mother's Birthplace: Norway Language Spoken: Norwegian Immigration Year: 1883 Naturalization: Naturalized Able to Speak English: Yes Occupation: Farmer Industry: General farm Class of Worker: Working on own account Employment: Yes Household Members: Name Age Andrew Raaum 52 Emma Raaum 46 Lewis Raaum 21 Irene Raaum 15 Neighbors: View others on page -----Original Message----- From: Lars E. Oyane Sent: Wednesday, May 9, 2018 5:24 AM To: norway@rootsweb.com Subject: [NOR] Ingeborg Raum Nordvall - born in Jostedal 1848 - widowed at Sebeka, MN in 1924 - what became of her? Dear Listers! Are you ready for another «challenge» in Minnesota, or wherever this family ended up? Ingeborg Andersdotter Raaum, born in Jostedal, Luster Co., Norway Jan. 8, 1848, emigrated in 1901 from Sogndal and married at Sebeka, Wadena Co., MN Nov. 11, 1903 to a widower, Nels Peter Nordvall, born in Borgsjo, Sweden May 21, 1851. They farmed in Rockwood township near Sebeka, Wadena Co., MN where Nels died Apr. 16, 1924. Ingeborg survived him, but completely DISAPPEARS. I find her nowhere in 1930 or 1940, and she is not in the MNDI. I should mention she did have a son while still unmarried in Norway: * Anders Andersson aka Andrew A. Raaum, born in Luster Co., Norway Sep. 4, 1869, emigrated with his grandmother in 1883 to Buffalo Co., WI, but later lived for a while in Lac qui parle Co., MN as well as in Norway township, Roberts Co., SD where he purchased land in 1901. Then he also DISAPPEARS. Any suggestions as to what became of mother and son in the US (or Canada) would be more than welcome! Very sincerely yours, Lars E. Oyane _______________________________________________ Norwaylist Archiveshttp://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=norway RESUBSCRIBE UNSUB http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/NOR/NORWAY.html guidelines http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~norway/guidelines.htm _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/lists/norway@rootsweb.com/ Archives: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/norway@rootsweb.com/ Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Save  Print Share Andrew Raaum in the Idaho, Death Records, 1890-1966 View Idaho, Death Records, 1890-1966 Add alternate information Report issue Name: Andrew Raaum Gender: Male Birth Place: Norway Spouse: Carrie Einarensteter Child: John Johnson Certificate Number: 004305 -----Original Message----- From: Lars E. Oyane Sent: Wednesday, May 9, 2018 5:24 AM To: norway@rootsweb.com Subject: [NOR] Ingeborg Raum Nordvall - born in Jostedal 1848 - widowed at Sebeka, MN in 1924 - what became of her? Dear Listers! Are you ready for another «challenge» in Minnesota, or wherever this family ended up? Ingeborg Andersdotter Raaum, born in Jostedal, Luster Co., Norway Jan. 8, 1848, emigrated in 1901 from Sogndal and married at Sebeka, Wadena Co., MN Nov. 11, 1903 to a widower, Nels Peter Nordvall, born in Borgsjo, Sweden May 21, 1851. They farmed in Rockwood township near Sebeka, Wadena Co., MN where Nels died Apr. 16, 1924. Ingeborg survived him, but completely DISAPPEARS. I find her nowhere in 1930 or 1940, and she is not in the MNDI. I should mention she did have a son while still unmarried in Norway: * Anders Andersson aka Andrew A. Raaum, born in Luster Co., Norway Sep. 4, 1869, emigrated with his grandmother in 1883 to Buffalo Co., WI, but later lived for a while in Lac qui parle Co., MN as well as in Norway township, Roberts Co., SD where he purchased land in 1901. Then he also DISAPPEARS. Any suggestions as to what became of mother and son in the US (or Canada) would be more than welcome! Very sincerely yours, Lars E. Oyane _______________________________________________ Norwaylist Archiveshttp://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=norway RESUBSCRIBE UNSUB http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/NOR/NORWAY.html guidelines http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~norway/guidelines.htm _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/lists/norway@rootsweb.com/ Archives: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/norway@rootsweb.com/ Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Dear Listers! Would someone please help me find the obituary for this lady: Randine Marie (Mrs. Anton) ANDERSON born in Bergen, Norway Aug. 1, 1859 died in Chicago, IL May 1, 1940 Thanks a million in advance for your great assistance in this matter! Very sincerely yours, Lars E. Oyane

Dear Listers! I have today become information showing this person is NOT the one I need, so please disregard my question! Thanks again for your great assistance! Very sincerely yours, Lars E. Oyane ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > On May 8, 2018, at 6:16 PM, Lars E. Oyane <lars.e.oyane@sdsl.no> wrote: > > Dear Listers! > > Can someone please help me locate an obituary for this gentleman: > > Frederick R. MORIN > born Dec. 20, 1880 at Wood Mountain, SK > died Oct. 21, 1961 at Belcourt, Rolette Co., ND > > Thanks a million in advance for your great assistance in this matter! > > Very sincerely yours, > > Lars E. Oyane > > >

Dear Listers! Are you ready for another «challenge» in Minnesota, or wherever this family ended up? Ingeborg Andersdotter Raaum, born in Jostedal, Luster Co., Norway Jan. 8, 1848, emigrated in 1901 from Sogndal and married at Sebeka, Wadena Co., MN Nov. 11, 1903 to a widower, Nels Peter Nordvall, born in Borgsjo, Sweden May 21, 1851. They farmed in Rockwood township near Sebeka, Wadena Co., MN where Nels died Apr. 16, 1924. Ingeborg survived him, but completely DISAPPEARS. I find her nowhere in 1930 or 1940, and she is not in the MNDI. I should mention she did have a son while still unmarried in Norway: * Anders Andersson aka Andrew A. Raaum, born in Luster Co., Norway Sep. 4, 1869, emigrated with his grandmother in 1883 to Buffalo Co., WI, but later lived for a while in Lac qui parle Co., MN as well as in Norway township, Roberts Co., SD where he purchased land in 1901. Then he also DISAPPEARS. Any suggestions as to what became of mother and son in the US (or Canada) would be more than welcome! Very sincerely yours, Lars E. Oyane

Dear Sarah and other Listers! Was I ever delighted with your brilliant and quick reply, Sarah. Thanks a million for providing me with these obituaries. The Peter Allas one will provide for some «foot work», contacting cemetery and funeral home, but as it so often happens, one answer often creates two new questions, and so is it here: I realize that without specific dates it is probably almost impossible to get anywhere, but since I am so urgently in need of this information, I decided I would still try: Maye O’Brien was a sister of Fanny Lange, and I have searched a little bit around for her, finally discovering she was the bride of a marriage that took place at Benton Harbor, Berrien Co., MI on July 24, 1906 between: John Edward O’Brien, born in York Co., NE Aug. 20, 1879, aged 27, and Mary M. Monsen, aged 27, born in Chicago, IL, presumably Feb. 24, 1876(?), but always pretending being born about 1879/1880. Her parents were Jens «James», also known as «John» Monsen (born in Gaular Co., Norway Apr. 7, 1831) and Monsine Andrine nee Larson (born in Bergen, Norway May 18, 1836) - living in Chicago IL in 1880, but never found in later records! John was mostly a salesman, and he and Mary (or May) O’Brien lived 1910 at Leadville, Lake Co., CO, 1918 at Duluth, St. Louis Co., MN, 1920 at St. Paul, Ramsey Co., MN and 1930/1940/1942 (and probably also later?) at Milwaukee, Milwaukee Co., WI. They had no children. ** Is it possible to find obituaries for John Edward and/or Mary/May O’BRIEN in Milwaukee, WI after 1942 (him) and after 1948 (her)? ** Is there any chance that Mary/May MONSEN and her parents can be located in records between 1880 and 1906 - like for example in the 1900 census? As far as Peter Allas is concerned, I am basically interested in tracing his wife, Elizabeth Cecelia ALLAS/ALAS, born in Valley Co., MT July 6, 1887. She is supposed to have died in Milwaukee, WI about 1962! ** Is it possible to find an obituary for Elizabeth ALLAS/ALAS in Milwaukee, WI? Thanks again for your wonderful assistance in these matters! Very sincerely yours, Lars E. Oyane ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > On May 8, 2018, at 11:01 PM, Sarah Thorson Little via NORWAY <norway@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > > Lars, here are the two Milwaukee obituaries. Sarah > > > Lange, Sat. Oct 23. FannyThorsen Lange (nee Monsen) of 2819 S. Lenox St., aged 77 years. Beloved motherof Mrs. Ruth Rulau, grandmother of Russell and Dolores Rulau; sister of Mrs. MayeO’Brien. Complete service Niemann Sons, 2486 S Kinnickinnic Ave., Mon. Oct 25at 3pm. Cremation Forest Home. In state 2 pm Sunday. > > > MilwaukeeSentinel -- Milwaukee, Wisconsin > October 25, 1948 > > Allas, Peter, aged 85 years, survived byrelatives here and in Greece. Funeral from the Brett Funeral Home, 2002 W.Wisconsin Av. Mon. morning at 9:30 to SaintsConstantine and Helen Greek Orthodox Cemetery at 10:00. Interment Pine Lawncemetery. In state Sun. after 5 pm. Member of Pan-Messenian; Trisagion serviceSun. evening at 8:00. > > Milwaukee Journal -- Milwaukee, Wisconsin > > May 10, 1969 > ~~~~~~ > On Tuesday, May 8, 2018, 5:24:19 PM PDT, Lars E. Oyane <lars.e.oyane@sdsl.no> wrote: > > Dear Listers! > > Can someone please help me locate the following two obituaries fr0m Milwaukee, WI: > > * Fannie/Fanny LANGE - died in Milwaukee, WI Oct. 23, 1948 > > * Peter ALLAS/ALAS - died in Milwaukee, WI May 8, 1969 > > Thanks a million in advance for your great assistance in these matters! > > Very sincerely yours, > > Lars E. Oyane > >

Lars, here are the two Milwaukee obituaries.  Sarah Lange, Sat. Oct 23. FannyThorsen Lange (nee Monsen) of 2819 S. Lenox St., aged 77 years. Beloved motherof Mrs. Ruth Rulau, grandmother of Russell and Dolores Rulau; sister of Mrs. MayeO’Brien. Complete service Niemann Sons, 2486 S Kinnickinnic Ave., Mon. Oct 25at 3pm. Cremation Forest Home. In state 2 pm Sunday. MilwaukeeSentinel -- Milwaukee, Wisconsin October 25, 1948 Allas, Peter, aged 85 years, survived byrelatives here and in Greece. Funeral from the Brett Funeral Home, 2002 W.Wisconsin Av.  Mon. morning at 9:30 to SaintsConstantine and Helen Greek Orthodox Cemetery at 10:00. Interment Pine Lawncemetery. In state Sun. after 5 pm. Member of Pan-Messenian; Trisagion serviceSun. evening at 8:00. Milwaukee Journal   -- Milwaukee, Wisconsin May 10, 1969 On Tuesday, May 8, 2018, 5:24:19 PM PDT, Lars E. Oyane <lars.e.oyane@sdsl.no> wrote: Dear Listers! Can someone please help me locate the following two obituaries fr0m Milwaukee, WI: * Fannie/Fanny LANGE - died in Milwaukee, WI Oct. 23, 1948 * Peter ALLAS/ALAS - died in Milwaukee, WI May 8, 1969 Thanks a million in advance for your great assistance in these matters! Very sincerely yours, Lars E. Oyane _______________________________________________ Norwaylist Archiveshttp://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=norway RESUBSCRIBE UNSUB http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/NOR/NORWAY.html guidelines http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~norway/guidelines.htm _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/lists/norway@rootsweb.com/ Archives: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/norway@rootsweb.com/ Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Dear Listers! Can someone please help me locate the following two obituaries fr0m Milwaukee, WI: * Fannie/Fanny LANGE - died in Milwaukee, WI Oct. 23, 1948 * Peter ALLAS/ALAS - died in Milwaukee, WI May 8, 1969 Thanks a million in advance for your great assistance in these matters! Very sincerely yours, Lars E. Oyane

Dear Listers! Can someone please help me locate an obituary for this gentleman: Frederick R. MORIN born Dec. 20, 1880 at Wood Mountain, SK died Oct. 21, 1961 at Belcourt, Rolette Co., ND Thanks a million in advance for your great assistance in this matter! Very sincerely yours, Lars E. Oyane

Dear Annette, Don and other Listers! Thank you very much for your latest messages on this topic, Annette on the list and Don off list! Hadn’t it been for Don’s brilliant research, I would never have found Herman Johaneson (Johnson)'s family in Memphis, TN. Thanks again Don for being part of the list, and thanks also to the rest of you brilliant researchers who have so often given me breathtaking assistance tracing various families! Whoever finds the gold mine! As far as the Memphis records site is c0ncerned, it has already produced its 1st result, the death record of Ed L. Jackson who married Anna, Herman and Harriet’s oldest daughter: https://register.shelby.tn.us/imgView.php?imgtype=pdf&id=8981902042951 This record is available neither on ancestry nor on FamilySearch, which is proof enough for me; it’s a great site! Thanks again, Annette, for sharing with us! A quick call to the Forest Hill cemetery confirmed that Ed and Anna are indeed buried next to each other in the same grave lot! And Robert Payne, Harriet’s 2nd husband, is there as well, in the very same lot and possibly other relatives...! And another possible «hit» with the Memphis site is this death record of W. A. Johnson, a widowed shingle maker who died Mar. 4, 1905, said being born in KY Apr. 17, 1866. Could very well be Herman and Harriet’s son, William Albert, still alive in 1900 and dead by 1910: https://register.shelby.tn.us/imgView.php?imgtype=pdf&id=71081905030438 I notice he had been a resident of Memphis for just 10 days, coming there from Frenchmans Bayou, AR, so maybe he is not the one after all… Or maybe he had resided in Memphis even before moving to AR? Frenchmans Bayou, AR is just 30 miles from Memphis!! Boy, had I only been in the area to check the records myself. Or walk that Forest Hill cemetery to look at the graves in Section 11, Lot 21… Thanks again for your great assistance in this matter! Very sincerely yours, Lars E. Oyane ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > On May 7, 2018, at 6:55 PM, Annette Bowen <annette.bowen@gmail.com> wrote: > > Lars, > A wonderful source for Memphis records is the Shelby County Register > of Deeds site. > > https://register.shelby.tn.us/index.php > > In addition to deeds it has birth marriage and death records, some > city directories, and other good stuff, all free. > > Annette ~~~~~~~~~~ > > On 5/7/18, Lars E. Oyane <lars.e.oyane@sdsl.no> wrote: >> Dear Don, Annette and other Listers! >> >> Thank you very much for your offline followup reports on the Herman >> Johaneson family, which I received this morning my time… >> >> I have worked my way thru them and updated my manuscript accordingly. I >> stil cannot quite believe we have found Herman’s 2nd family, and as far as I >> can see, Lula Hottum still has living descendants thru her daughter, the >> only known grandchild in Tennessee! >> >> I have a few additional comments: >> >> * It appears that Harriet operated her boarding house in Memphis, TN from >> before 1900 until her death in 1921. >> >> * And the 1910 census shows us that Harriet at that time only had THREE of >> eight children still living, so the 4th child still alive in 1900 must have >> died in between, whether it be William Albert Johnson, born KY 1867, or >> Lilly Pearl Johnson, born TN 1872? >> >> * Christopher and Lula Hottum must have divorced shortly after the turn of >> the century, since in 1906 Christopher remarried Grace Richardson with whom >> he had three more children. >> >> * Finally I found Anna and her husband Ed L. Jackson, a carpenter born in SC >> Dec. of 1851, living in Memphis, TN in 1900, and their marriage record shows >> up on Sep. 14, 1898. However, Ed seems to have died (or they divorced?), >> since by 1910 Anna was widowed, but the 1913 city directory lists her as >> «Mrs. E. L. Jackson»! >> >> I have had no success finding any additional information about this Ed L. >> Jackson, neither have I identified Robert P. Payne, Harriet’s 2nd husband, >> who in 1900 was a single railroad clerk in Memphis, TN, born in GA about >> 1852… >> >> Thanks again for your wonderful assistance tracing this family in a very >> «non-Norwegian» part of America! >> >> Very sincerely yours, >> >> Lars E. Oyane >> >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> >>> On May 6, 2018, at 8:33 PM, Lars E. Oyane <lars.e.oyane@sdsl.no> wrote: >>> >>> Dear Don and other Listers! >>> >>> Thanks a million, Don, for all the great information you have sent me off >>> list about Herman Johaneson/Johnson and his «2nd» family. I am amazed >>> with all you have found. I still need to organize my notes, but I have >>> found some interesting details which may lead to obituaries? >>> >>> In particular would I like to mention, I discovered that Harriet and >>> Herman must have divorced, since Harriet remarried in Memphis, TN Nov. 14, >>> 1906 to Robert P. Payne, a railroad clerk from GA. He died in Memphis, TN >>> already on Oct. 9, 1910, while Harriet Payne died in Memphis, TN on Apr. >>> 15, 1921. >>> >>> Maybe there would also be obituaries for one or more of Herman and >>> Harriet’s daughters, who all died in Memphis, TN as well: >>> >>> * Anna Nellie Jackson, died Mar. 26, 1923 >>> >>> * Jessie Stanton, died Mar. 17, 1923 >>> >>> * Lula Nora Hottum, died Aug. 23, 1928 >>> >>> Thanks again for your great assistance tracing this so very «elusive» >>> family! >>> >>> Very sincerely yours, >>> >>> Lars E. Oyane >>> >>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >>> >>>> On May 6, 2018, at 3:52 PM, Lars E. Oyane <lars.e.oyane@sdsl.no >>>> <mailto:lars.e.oyane@sdsl.no>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Dear Don and other Listers! >>>> >>>> I cannot express my pleasure in words! Thanks a million, Don, for a >>>> wonderful message which brings me almost to Heaven of gratitude! I am >>>> highly impressed with your findings, and as I read your message, I see we >>>> just have to keep our eyes open for ALL possibilities, even when it comes >>>> to birth places. I quickly looked up Herman in the 1870 and 1880 >>>> censuses where you said he would be, and yes, one place born in SWEDEN, >>>> and one place born in IRELAND. And the 1900 census for Memphis, TN has >>>> Harriet’s children’s father born in INDIANA! >>>> >>>> And then I went to check the Indiana State marriage records which are >>>> online with ancestry.com <http://ancestry.com/><http://ancestry.com/ >>>> <http://ancestry.com/>>, and I found this: >>>> >>>> Harman JOHNSON and Harriet E. HETH were married in Floyd Co., IN June 23, >>>> 1863 (while he was still officially married to his wife in Norway!), and >>>> I find Harriet E. Heth in the 1850 census aged 6 residing with her >>>> parents in Corydon, Harrison Co., IN. >>>> >>>> Now I am of course very anxious to learn what more you have found out >>>> about Harriet and her children! I notice from the 1900 census she was >>>> the mother of eight children, with four living. By the way, I cannot >>>> find Harriet in 1910 or in any local death indexes… >>>> >>>> Thanks again, Don, for really making my day! Now I am going to have a >>>> late supper which I will enjoy thinking about all that great family >>>> history stuff! >>>> >>>> Very sincerely yours, >>>> >>>> Lars E. Oyane >>>> >>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >>>> >>>>> On May 6, 2018, at 1:08 PM, Don Angevine <dangevin@megalink.net >>>>> <mailto:dangevin@megalink.net>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Polymyalgia Rheumatica Overview: >>>>> Polymyalgia rheumatica is an inflammatory disorder that causes muscle >>>>> pain and stiffness, especially in the shoulders. Symptoms of polymyalgia >>>>> rheumatica (pol-e-my-AL-juh rue-MAT-ih-kuh) usually begin quickly and >>>>> are worse in the morning. Most people who develop polymyalgia rheumatica >>>>> are older than 65. It rarely affects people under 50. >>>>> >>>>> You may receive symptom relief by taking anti-inflammatory drugs called >>>>> corticosteroids. But relapses are common, and you'll need to visit your >>>>> doctor regularly to watch for serious side effects of these drugs. >>>>> >>>>> Polymyalgia rheumatica is related to another inflammatory disorder >>>>> called giant cell arteritis, which can cause headaches, vision >>>>> difficulties, jaw pain and scalp tenderness. It's possible to have both >>>>> of these conditions together. >>>>> >>>>> Trigeminal Neuralgia Overview: >>>>> Trigeminal neuralgia is a chronic pain condition that affects the >>>>> trigeminal nerve, which carries sensation from your face to your brain. >>>>> If you have trigeminal neuralgia, even mild stimulation of your face — >>>>> such as from brushing your teeth or putting on makeup — may trigger a >>>>> jolt of excruciating pain. >>>>> >>>>> You may initially experience short, mild attacks. But trigeminal >>>>> neuralgia can progress and cause longer, more-frequent bouts of searing >>>>> pain. Trigeminal neuralgia affects women more often than men, and it's >>>>> more likely to occur in people who are older than 50. >>>>> >>>>> Because of the variety of treatment options available, having trigeminal >>>>> neuralgia doesn't necessarily mean you're doomed to a life of pain. >>>>> Doctors usually can effectively manage trigeminal neuralgia with >>>>> medications, injections or surgery. >>>>> >>>> ~~~~~~~~~~ >>>>> >>>>> On May 6, 2018, at 1:06 PM, Don Angevine <dangevin@megalink.net >>>>> <mailto:dangevin@megalink.net> <mailto:dangevin@megalink.net >>>>> <mailto:dangevin@megalink.net>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Lars, >>>>> >>>>> I have solved most of this query regarding Herman's wife and family, >>>>> over the course of an intense 14 hour sitting! Having said that, I have >>>>> not been successful in finding much of anything about the end of >>>>> Herman's life. >>>>> >>>>> This has been one of the most challenging searches I have ever >>>>> encountered, as the records for them are very inaccurate in many cases, >>>>> regarding age, name changes -- they defaulted to "Johnson" -- and the >>>>> use of first and middle names interchangeably for first names. Herman is >>>>> shown to be from Sweden and Ireland in some cases. That would explain >>>>> your difficulty if you were screwing your searches down too tightly, and >>>>> excluding them inadvertently. >>>>> >>>>> I do not subscribe to any paid services, such as Ancestry.com >>>>> <http://ancestry.com/> <http://ancestry.com/ <http://ancestry.com/>>, so >>>>> links to them are not useful to me. I will be sending you a flood of >>>>> files off-List, and I'd appreciate it if you could copy and paste the >>>>> info you have about Herman's last years to me as well. >>>>> >>>>> BTW, the Harriet Randall you found is not correct. I have not, as yet, >>>>> found an actual marriage record, but Herman was married to Harriet Ellen >>>>> Held from Croydon, Indiana. They had several children, their first, >>>>> Anna, coming around the time of his military discharge. For a long time >>>>> in my search there was a long gap in the ages of the children, after >>>>> Anna, and all girls, until near the end of my looking last night, when I >>>>> found other children, including at least a couple of males with very >>>>> common names, thus difficult to winnow out. >>>>> >>>>> None of the women I followed were successful in marriage, using the >>>>> common "Widowed" in the records instead of "Divorced". I believe that is >>>>> also what happened to Herman and Harriet in the end. >>>>> >>>>> I followed three daughters to their death, two dying within one week in >>>>> 1923, victims of a "lysteria" outbreak in the USA and Europe. It was the >>>>> death certificate record for their first child, Anna, that tipped me off >>>>> to their mother's maiden name, and got this search rolling. >>>>> >>>>> From the time of Herman's military discharge, they lived in Spencer >>>>> County, Kentucky, then Montgomery County, Tennessee, and eventually >>>>> Memphis, TN. He is listed as Taylor-Farmer or just as Taylor. >>>>> >>>>> Don in Maine USA >>>>> >>>> ~~~~~~~~~~ >>>>> >>>>> On May 5, 2018, at 2:36 PM, Lars E. Oyane <lars.e.oyane@sdsl.no >>>>> <mailto:lars.e.oyane@sdsl.no> <mailto:lars.e.oyane@sdsl.no >>>>> <mailto:lars.e.oyane@sdsl.no>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Dear Listers! >>>>> >>>>> I have for many years been trying to figure out what happened to this >>>>> guy from Hafslo who in 1861 left his wife and four children in Bergen, >>>>> Norway to seek his fortune in America. Today I have finally managed to >>>>> find his death notice, but details are hard to get by. Maybe someone >>>>> can help me? >>>>> >>>>> Hermund Johannesson Jordanger - in America known as Herman Johaneson - >>>>> was born in Hafslo, Norway Apr. 15, 1829. In the spring of 1861 he left >>>>> Bergen, probably with Chicago, IL as his destination, but this document, >>>>> which I found today: >>>>> >>>>> https://www.ancestry.com/interactive/1200/MIUSA1866_113752-00593?pid=68546&backurl=https://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv%3D1%26dbid%3D1200%26h%3D68546%26tid%3D%26pid%3D%26usePUB%3Dtrue%26_phsrc%3DNzx8529%26_phstart%3DsuccessSource&treeid=&personid=&hintid=&usePUB=true&_phsrc=Nzx8529&_phstart=successSource&usePUBJs=true >>>>> <https://www.ancestry.com/interactive/1200/MIUSA1866_113752-00593?pid=68546&backurl=https://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv%3D1%26dbid%3D1200%26h%3D68546%26tid%3D%26pid%3D%26usePUB%3Dtrue%26_phsrc%3DNzx8529%26_phstart%3DsuccessSource&treeid=&personid=&hintid=&usePUB=true&_phsrc=Nzx8529&_phstart=successSource&usePUBJs=true> >>>>> <https://www.ancestry.com/interactive/1200/MIUSA1866_113752-00593?pid=68546&backurl=https://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv%3D1%26dbid%3D1200%26h%3D68546%26tid%3D%26pid%3D%26usePUB%3Dtrue%26_phsrc%3DNzx8529%26_phstart%3DsuccessSource&treeid=&personid=&hintid=&usePUB=true&_phsrc=Nzx8529&_phstart=successSource&usePUBJs=true >>>>> <https://www.ancestry.com/interactive/1200/MIUSA1866_113752-00593?pid=68546&backurl=https://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv%3D1%26dbid%3D1200%26h%3D68546%26tid%3D%26pid%3D%26usePUB%3Dtrue%26_phsrc%3DNzx8529%26_phstart%3DsuccessSource&treeid=&personid=&hintid=&usePUB=true&_phsrc=Nzx8529&_phstart=successSource&usePUBJs=true>> >>>>> <https://www.ancestry.com/interactive/1200/MIUSA1866_113752-00593?pid=68546&backurl=https://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=1&dbid=1200&h=68546&tid=&pid=&usePUB=true&_phsrc=Nzx8529&_phstart=successSource&treeid=&personid=&hintid=&usePUB=true&_phsrc=Nzx8529&_phstart=successSource&usePUBJs=true >>>>> <https://www.ancestry.com/interactive/1200/MIUSA1866_113752-00593?pid=68546&backurl=https://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=1&dbid=1200&h=68546&tid=&pid=&usePUB=true&_phsrc=Nzx8529&_phstart=successSource&treeid=&personid=&hintid=&usePUB=true&_phsrc=Nzx8529&_phstart=successSource&usePUBJs=true><https://www.ancestry.com/interactive/1200/MIUSA1866_113752-00593?pid=68546&backurl=https://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=1&dbid=1200&h=68546&tid=&pid=&usePUB=true&_phsrc=Nzx8529&_phstart=successSource&treeid=&personid=&hintid=&usePUB=true&_phsrc=Nzx8529&_phstart=successSource&usePUBJs=true >>>>> <https://www.ancestry.com/interactive/1200/MIUSA1866_113752-00593?pid=68546&backurl=https://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=1&dbid=1200&h=68546&tid=&pid=&usePUB=true&_phsrc=Nzx8529&_phstart=successSource&treeid=&personid=&hintid=&usePUB=true&_phsrc=Nzx8529&_phstart=successSource&usePUBJs=true>>> >>>>> >>>>> shows that he enlisted in Wisconsin 16th Company B (another source says >>>>> Wisconsin 15th) at Milwaukee, WI on Sep. 18, 1861, and he was discharged >>>>> at Louisville, KY Feb. 23, 1863 due to disability. I understand the >>>>> document to say he was to reside at Memphis, TN working as a tailor, but >>>>> in 1889 he entered the Veteran’s Home in Dayton, OH where he died May 4, >>>>> 1910. His closest relative is listed as brother Trond (Jordanger) in >>>>> Marifjora, Norway, but he is also said to be married leaving his widow >>>>> Harriet Johaneson in Memphis, TN! >>>>> >>>>> Now I have three main questions: >>>>> >>>>> * Do we have on the list some military expert who can possibly locate >>>>> more detailed information about Herman’s military service, for example >>>>> where he resided when he enlisted and which battles he took part in? >>>>> >>>>> * I have looked all over for census information about Herman and/or >>>>> Harriet Johaneson (and alternative spellings), but I come out entirely >>>>> «blank». Not even the Memphis, TN city directories can be of any help. >>>>> Maybe someone has better eyes than I do? >>>>> >>>>> * Finally, is it possible to locate an obituary for this Civil War >>>>> veteran? >>>>> >>>>> Thanks a million in advance for your wonderful assistance in this >>>>> matter! >>>>> >>>>> Very sincerely yours, >>>>> >>>>> Lars E. Oyane >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________

Lars, A wonderful source for Memphis records is the Shelby County Register of Deeds site. https://register.shelby.tn.us/index.php In addition to deeds it has birth marriage and death records, some city directories, and other good stuff, all free. 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Oyane <lars.e.oyane@sdsl.no> wrote: > Dear Don, Annette and other Listers! > > Thank you very much for your offline followup reports on the Herman > Johaneson family, which I received this morning my time… > > I have worked my way thru them and updated my manuscript accordingly. I > stil cannot quite believe we have found Herman’s 2nd family, and as far as I > can see, Lula Hottum still has living descendants thru her daughter, the > only known grandchild in Tennessee! > > I have a few additional comments: > > * It appears that Harriet operated her boarding house in Memphis, TN from > before 1900 until her death in 1921. > > * And the 1910 census shows us that Harriet at that time only had THREE of > eight children still living, so the 4th child still alive in 1900 must have > died in between, whether it be William Albert Johnson, born KY 1867, or > Lilly Pearl Johnson, born TN 1872? > > * Christopher and Lula Hottum must have divorced shortly after the turn of > the century, since in 1906 Christopher remarried Grace Richardson with whom > he had three more children. > > * Finally I found Anna and her husband Ed L. Jackson, a carpenter born in SC > Dec. of 1851, living in Memphis, TN in 1900, and their marriage record shows > up on Sep. 14, 1898. However, Ed seems to have died (or they divorced?), > since by 1910 Anna was widowed, but the 1913 city directory lists her as > «Mrs. E. L. Jackson»! > > I have had no success finding any additional information about this Ed L. > Jackson, neither have I identified Robert P. Payne, Harriet’s 2nd husband, > who in 1900 was a single railroad clerk in Memphis, TN, born in GA about > 1852… > > Thanks again for your wonderful assistance tracing this family in a very > «non-Norwegian» part of America! > > Very sincerely yours, > > Lars E. Oyane > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~ > >> On May 6, 2018, at 8:33 PM, Lars E. Oyane <lars.e.oyane@sdsl.no> wrote: >> >> Dear Don and other Listers! >> >> Thanks a million, Don, for all the great information you have sent me off >> list about Herman Johaneson/Johnson and his «2nd» family. I am amazed >> with all you have found. I still need to organize my notes, but I have >> found some interesting details which may lead to obituaries? >> >> In particular would I like to mention, I discovered that Harriet and >> Herman must have divorced, since Harriet remarried in Memphis, TN Nov. 14, >> 1906 to Robert P. Payne, a railroad clerk from GA. He died in Memphis, TN >> already on Oct. 9, 1910, while Harriet Payne died in Memphis, TN on Apr. >> 15, 1921. >> >> Maybe there would also be obituaries for one or more of Herman and >> Harriet’s daughters, who all died in Memphis, TN as well: >> >> * Anna Nellie Jackson, died Mar. 26, 1923 >> >> * Jessie Stanton, died Mar. 17, 1923 >> >> * Lula Nora Hottum, died Aug. 23, 1928 >> >> Thanks again for your great assistance tracing this so very «elusive» >> family! >> >> Very sincerely yours, >> >> Lars E. Oyane >> >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> >>> On May 6, 2018, at 3:52 PM, Lars E. Oyane <lars.e.oyane@sdsl.no >>> <mailto:lars.e.oyane@sdsl.no>> wrote: >>> >>> Dear Don and other Listers! >>> >>> I cannot express my pleasure in words! Thanks a million, Don, for a >>> wonderful message which brings me almost to Heaven of gratitude! I am >>> highly impressed with your findings, and as I read your message, I see we >>> just have to keep our eyes open for ALL possibilities, even when it comes >>> to birth places. I quickly looked up Herman in the 1870 and 1880 >>> censuses where you said he would be, and yes, one place born in SWEDEN, >>> and one place born in IRELAND. And the 1900 census for Memphis, TN has >>> Harriet’s children’s father born in INDIANA! >>> >>> And then I went to check the Indiana State marriage records which are >>> online with ancestry.com <http://ancestry.com/><http://ancestry.com/ >>> <http://ancestry.com/>>, and I found this: >>> >>> Harman JOHNSON and Harriet E. HETH were married in Floyd Co., IN June 23, >>> 1863 (while he was still officially married to his wife in Norway!), and >>> I find Harriet E. Heth in the 1850 census aged 6 residing with her >>> parents in Corydon, Harrison Co., IN. >>> >>> Now I am of course very anxious to learn what more you have found out >>> about Harriet and her children! I notice from the 1900 census she was >>> the mother of eight children, with four living. By the way, I cannot >>> find Harriet in 1910 or in any local death indexes… >>> >>> Thanks again, Don, for really making my day! Now I am going to have a >>> late supper which I will enjoy thinking about all that great family >>> history stuff! >>> >>> Very sincerely yours, >>> >>> Lars E. Oyane >>> >>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >>> >>>> On May 6, 2018, at 1:08 PM, Don Angevine <dangevin@megalink.net >>>> <mailto:dangevin@megalink.net>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Polymyalgia Rheumatica Overview: >>>> Polymyalgia rheumatica is an inflammatory disorder that causes muscle >>>> pain and stiffness, especially in the shoulders. Symptoms of polymyalgia >>>> rheumatica (pol-e-my-AL-juh rue-MAT-ih-kuh) usually begin quickly and >>>> are worse in the morning. Most people who develop polymyalgia rheumatica >>>> are older than 65. It rarely affects people under 50. >>>> >>>> You may receive symptom relief by taking anti-inflammatory drugs called >>>> corticosteroids. But relapses are common, and you'll need to visit your >>>> doctor regularly to watch for serious side effects of these drugs. >>>> >>>> Polymyalgia rheumatica is related to another inflammatory disorder >>>> called giant cell arteritis, which can cause headaches, vision >>>> difficulties, jaw pain and scalp tenderness. It's possible to have both >>>> of these conditions together. >>>> >>>> Trigeminal Neuralgia Overview: >>>> Trigeminal neuralgia is a chronic pain condition that affects the >>>> trigeminal nerve, which carries sensation from your face to your brain. >>>> If you have trigeminal neuralgia, even mild stimulation of your face — >>>> such as from brushing your teeth or putting on makeup — may trigger a >>>> jolt of excruciating pain. >>>> >>>> You may initially experience short, mild attacks. But trigeminal >>>> neuralgia can progress and cause longer, more-frequent bouts of searing >>>> pain. Trigeminal neuralgia affects women more often than men, and it's >>>> more likely to occur in people who are older than 50. >>>> >>>> Because of the variety of treatment options available, having trigeminal >>>> neuralgia doesn't necessarily mean you're doomed to a life of pain. >>>> Doctors usually can effectively manage trigeminal neuralgia with >>>> medications, injections or surgery. >>>> >>> ~~~~~~~~~~ >>>> >>>> On May 6, 2018, at 1:06 PM, Don Angevine <dangevin@megalink.net >>>> <mailto:dangevin@megalink.net> <mailto:dangevin@megalink.net >>>> <mailto:dangevin@megalink.net>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Lars, >>>> >>>> I have solved most of this query regarding Herman's wife and family, >>>> over the course of an intense 14 hour sitting! Having said that, I have >>>> not been successful in finding much of anything about the end of >>>> Herman's life. >>>> >>>> This has been one of the most challenging searches I have ever >>>> encountered, as the records for them are very inaccurate in many cases, >>>> regarding age, name changes -- they defaulted to "Johnson" -- and the >>>> use of first and middle names interchangeably for first names. Herman is >>>> shown to be from Sweden and Ireland in some cases. That would explain >>>> your difficulty if you were screwing your searches down too tightly, and >>>> excluding them inadvertently. >>>> >>>> I do not subscribe to any paid services, such as Ancestry.com >>>> <http://ancestry.com/> <http://ancestry.com/ <http://ancestry.com/>>, so >>>> links to them are not useful to me. I will be sending you a flood of >>>> files off-List, and I'd appreciate it if you could copy and paste the >>>> info you have about Herman's last years to me as well. >>>> >>>> BTW, the Harriet Randall you found is not correct. I have not, as yet, >>>> found an actual marriage record, but Herman was married to Harriet Ellen >>>> Held from Croydon, Indiana. They had several children, their first, >>>> Anna, coming around the time of his military discharge. For a long time >>>> in my search there was a long gap in the ages of the children, after >>>> Anna, and all girls, until near the end of my looking last night, when I >>>> found other children, including at least a couple of males with very >>>> common names, thus difficult to winnow out. >>>> >>>> None of the women I followed were successful in marriage, using the >>>> common "Widowed" in the records instead of "Divorced". I believe that is >>>> also what happened to Herman and Harriet in the end. >>>> >>>> I followed three daughters to their death, two dying within one week in >>>> 1923, victims of a "lysteria" outbreak in the USA and Europe. It was the >>>> death certificate record for their first child, Anna, that tipped me off >>>> to their mother's maiden name, and got this search rolling. >>>> >>>> From the time of Herman's military discharge, they lived in Spencer >>>> County, Kentucky, then Montgomery County, Tennessee, and eventually >>>> Memphis, TN. He is listed as Taylor-Farmer or just as Taylor. >>>> >>>> Don in Maine USA >>>> >>> ~~~~~~~~~~ >>>> >>>> On May 5, 2018, at 2:36 PM, Lars E. Oyane <lars.e.oyane@sdsl.no >>>> <mailto:lars.e.oyane@sdsl.no> <mailto:lars.e.oyane@sdsl.no >>>> <mailto:lars.e.oyane@sdsl.no>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Dear Listers! >>>> >>>> I have for many years been trying to figure out what happened to this >>>> guy from Hafslo who in 1861 left his wife and four children in Bergen, >>>> Norway to seek his fortune in America. Today I have finally managed to >>>> find his death notice, but details are hard to get by. Maybe someone >>>> can help me? >>>> >>>> Hermund Johannesson Jordanger - in America known as Herman Johaneson - >>>> was born in Hafslo, Norway Apr. 15, 1829. In the spring of 1861 he left >>>> Bergen, probably with Chicago, IL as his destination, but this document, >>>> which I found today: >>>> >>>> https://www.ancestry.com/interactive/1200/MIUSA1866_113752-00593?pid=68546&backurl=https://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv%3D1%26dbid%3D1200%26h%3D68546%26tid%3D%26pid%3D%26usePUB%3Dtrue%26_phsrc%3DNzx8529%26_phstart%3DsuccessSource&treeid=&personid=&hintid=&usePUB=true&_phsrc=Nzx8529&_phstart=successSource&usePUBJs=true >>>> <https://www.ancestry.com/interactive/1200/MIUSA1866_113752-00593?pid=68546&backurl=https://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv%3D1%26dbid%3D1200%26h%3D68546%26tid%3D%26pid%3D%26usePUB%3Dtrue%26_phsrc%3DNzx8529%26_phstart%3DsuccessSource&treeid=&personid=&hintid=&usePUB=true&_phsrc=Nzx8529&_phstart=successSource&usePUBJs=true> >>>> <https://www.ancestry.com/interactive/1200/MIUSA1866_113752-00593?pid=68546&backurl=https://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv%3D1%26dbid%3D1200%26h%3D68546%26tid%3D%26pid%3D%26usePUB%3Dtrue%26_phsrc%3DNzx8529%26_phstart%3DsuccessSource&treeid=&personid=&hintid=&usePUB=true&_phsrc=Nzx8529&_phstart=successSource&usePUBJs=true >>>> <https://www.ancestry.com/interactive/1200/MIUSA1866_113752-00593?pid=68546&backurl=https://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv%3D1%26dbid%3D1200%26h%3D68546%26tid%3D%26pid%3D%26usePUB%3Dtrue%26_phsrc%3DNzx8529%26_phstart%3DsuccessSource&treeid=&personid=&hintid=&usePUB=true&_phsrc=Nzx8529&_phstart=successSource&usePUBJs=true>> >>>> <https://www.ancestry.com/interactive/1200/MIUSA1866_113752-00593?pid=68546&backurl=https://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=1&dbid=1200&h=68546&tid=&pid=&usePUB=true&_phsrc=Nzx8529&_phstart=successSource&treeid=&personid=&hintid=&usePUB=true&_phsrc=Nzx8529&_phstart=successSource&usePUBJs=true >>>> <https://www.ancestry.com/interactive/1200/MIUSA1866_113752-00593?pid=68546&backurl=https://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=1&dbid=1200&h=68546&tid=&pid=&usePUB=true&_phsrc=Nzx8529&_phstart=successSource&treeid=&personid=&hintid=&usePUB=true&_phsrc=Nzx8529&_phstart=successSource&usePUBJs=true><https://www.ancestry.com/interactive/1200/MIUSA1866_113752-00593?pid=68546&backurl=https://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=1&dbid=1200&h=68546&tid=&pid=&usePUB=true&_phsrc=Nzx8529&_phstart=successSource&treeid=&personid=&hintid=&usePUB=true&_phsrc=Nzx8529&_phstart=successSource&usePUBJs=true >>>> <https://www.ancestry.com/interactive/1200/MIUSA1866_113752-00593?pid=68546&backurl=https://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=1&dbid=1200&h=68546&tid=&pid=&usePUB=true&_phsrc=Nzx8529&_phstart=successSource&treeid=&personid=&hintid=&usePUB=true&_phsrc=Nzx8529&_phstart=successSource&usePUBJs=true>>> >>>> >>>> shows that he enlisted in Wisconsin 16th Company B (another source says >>>> Wisconsin 15th) at Milwaukee, WI on Sep. 18, 1861, and he was discharged >>>> at Louisville, KY Feb. 23, 1863 due to disability. I understand the >>>> document to say he was to reside at Memphis, TN working as a tailor, but >>>> in 1889 he entered the Veteran’s Home in Dayton, OH where he died May 4, >>>> 1910. His closest relative is listed as brother Trond (Jordanger) in >>>> Marifjora, Norway, but he is also said to be married leaving his widow >>>> Harriet Johaneson in Memphis, TN! >>>> >>>> Now I have three main questions: >>>> >>>> * Do we have on the list some military expert who can possibly locate >>>> more detailed information about Herman’s military service, for example >>>> where he resided when he enlisted and which battles he took part in? >>>> >>>> * I have looked all over for census information about Herman and/or >>>> Harriet Johaneson (and alternative spellings), but I come out entirely >>>> «blank». Not even the Memphis, TN city directories can be of any help. >>>> Maybe someone has better eyes than I do? >>>> >>>> * Finally, is it possible to locate an obituary for this Civil War >>>> veteran? >>>> >>>> Thanks a million in advance for your wonderful assistance in this >>>> matter! >>>> >>>> Very sincerely yours, >>>> >>>> Lars E. Oyane >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>> > >

Dear Jerry and other Listers! Thank you very much, Jerry, for this message in regard to Anna Christiansen. The candidate you found may or may not be the Anna who went to Nassau Co., NY. However, since I made the posting, I have discovered there were indeed TWO Anna Christiansons in Norway born on the same day, Sep. 17, 1877, and passenger records from Norway have revealed that the nurse who went to Nassau Co., NY, was the OTHER one, Anna Martine Christiansen, born in Arendal, Norway on that very same day… This brings me «back to square #one» as far as «my» Anna Magdalena Christiansen is concerned, so what happened to the nurse upstate NY is at this point less of interest to me! I wanted to let you know to save on time looking for her! What happened to «my» Anna, is still a big mystery! We don’t even have a proof she ever emigrated, so then it’s kind of hard to look for her… She may even have used OLSEN as a last name… Thanks again for your great assistance trying to find my «elusive» emigrant families! Very sincerely yours, Lars E. Oyane ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > On May 3, 2018, at 11:04 AM, Jerry Lloyd <jlloyd@midco.net> wrote: > > Anna Christiansen > in the U.S., Border Crossings from Canada to U.S., 1895-1960 > > Name: > Anna Christiansen > > Gender: > Female > > Race/Nationality: > Scandinavian > > Age: > 30 > > Record Type: > Manifests > > Birth Date: > abt 1877 > > Birth Country: > Norway > > Arrival date: > 5 Jul 1907 > > Port of Arrival: > Quebec, Canada > > Ship Name: > Tunisian > > Residence Place: > Nor > > Line Number: > 22 ~~~~~~~ > > -----Original Message----- From: Lars E. Oyane > Sent: Wednesday, May 2, 2018 2:10 PM > To: norway@rootsweb.com > Subject: [NOR] Anna Christiansen - Norwegian nurse in Hempstead, Nassau Co., NY 1910 - what became of her? > > Dear Listers! > > I have a big challenge for you today which I hope someone can help me solve: > > The 1910 census for Hempstead, Nassau Co., NY shows this family: > > ~~~~~ > > DOYLE, John F. Jr. 40 NY NY NY real estate agent > DOYLE, Evangeline 37 ME ME ME wife > DOYLE, John F. 2nd 2 NY NY ME son > …………., Josephine 22 Fin Din Fin cook - emigrated 1909 > CHRISTIANSEN, Anna 32 Nor Nor Nor nurse - emigrated (blank) > > ~~~~~ > > I strongly suspect this Anna Christiansen to be identical to this girl who in 1912 was on a visit to Christiania (Oslo), Ńorway from New York: > > https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/8/pe00000001128325 > > Her birthdate is given as Sep. 25, 1877, and I can only find ONE Anna Christiansen in Norway with this birthdate: > > Anna Magdalena Christiansen, also called Olsen, born in Bergen Sep. 25, 1877, daughter of Christian Olsen (Breisnes) and Marie Andersdotter. Anna Magdalena lived in Bergen until 1899, but is nowhere to be found in the Norwegian 1900 census. I am ALMOST certain Anna Magdalena is the nurse last known to have been alive and unmarried in New York in 1912!? > > BUT is it possible to figure out what became of Anna after 1912? Maybe she married? > > Thanks a million in advance for any suggestions! > > Very sincerely yours, > > Lars E. Oyane >

Dear Don, Annette and other Listers! Thank you very much for your offline followup reports on the Herman Johaneson family, which I received this morning my time… I have worked my way thru them and updated my manuscript accordingly. I stil cannot quite believe we have found Herman’s 2nd family, and as far as I can see, Lula Hottum still has living descendants thru her daughter, the only known grandchild in Tennessee! I have a few additional comments: * It appears that Harriet operated her boarding house in Memphis, TN from before 1900 until her death in 1921. * And the 1910 census shows us that Harriet at that time only had THREE of eight children still living, so the 4th child still alive in 1900 must have died in between, whether it be William Albert Johnson, born KY 1867, or Lilly Pearl Johnson, born TN 1872? * Christopher and Lula Hottum must have divorced shortly after the turn of the century, since in 1906 Christopher remarried Grace Richardson with whom he had three more children. * Finally I found Anna and her husband Ed L. Jackson, a carpenter born in SC Dec. of 1851, living in Memphis, TN in 1900, and their marriage record shows up on Sep. 14, 1898. However, Ed seems to have died (or they divorced?), since by 1910 Anna was widowed, but the 1913 city directory lists her as «Mrs. E. L. Jackson»! I have had no success finding any additional information about this Ed L. Jackson, neither have I identified Robert P. Payne, Harriet’s 2nd husband, who in 1900 was a single railroad clerk in Memphis, TN, born in GA about 1852… Thanks again for your wonderful assistance tracing this family in a very «non-Norwegian» part of America! Very sincerely yours, Lars E. Oyane ~~~~~~~~~~~~ > On May 6, 2018, at 8:33 PM, Lars E. Oyane <lars.e.oyane@sdsl.no> wrote: > > Dear Don and other Listers! > > Thanks a million, Don, for all the great information you have sent me off list about Herman Johaneson/Johnson and his «2nd» family. I am amazed with all you have found. I still need to organize my notes, but I have found some interesting details which may lead to obituaries? > > In particular would I like to mention, I discovered that Harriet and Herman must have divorced, since Harriet remarried in Memphis, TN Nov. 14, 1906 to Robert P. Payne, a railroad clerk from GA. He died in Memphis, TN already on Oct. 9, 1910, while Harriet Payne died in Memphis, TN on Apr. 15, 1921. > > Maybe there would also be obituaries for one or more of Herman and Harriet’s daughters, who all died in Memphis, TN as well: > > * Anna Nellie Jackson, died Mar. 26, 1923 > > * Jessie Stanton, died Mar. 17, 1923 > > * Lula Nora Hottum, died Aug. 23, 1928 > > Thanks again for your great assistance tracing this so very «elusive» family! > > Very sincerely yours, > > Lars E. Oyane > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > >> On May 6, 2018, at 3:52 PM, Lars E. Oyane <lars.e.oyane@sdsl.no <mailto:lars.e.oyane@sdsl.no>> wrote: >> >> Dear Don and other Listers! >> >> I cannot express my pleasure in words! Thanks a million, Don, for a wonderful message which brings me almost to Heaven of gratitude! I am highly impressed with your findings, and as I read your message, I see we just have to keep our eyes open for ALL possibilities, even when it comes to birth places. I quickly looked up Herman in the 1870 and 1880 censuses where you said he would be, and yes, one place born in SWEDEN, and one place born in IRELAND. And the 1900 census for Memphis, TN has Harriet’s children’s father born in INDIANA! >> >> And then I went to check the Indiana State marriage records which are online with ancestry.com <http://ancestry.com/><http://ancestry.com/ <http://ancestry.com/>>, and I found this: >> >> Harman JOHNSON and Harriet E. HETH were married in Floyd Co., IN June 23, 1863 (while he was still officially married to his wife in Norway!), and I find Harriet E. Heth in the 1850 census aged 6 residing with her parents in Corydon, Harrison Co., IN. >> >> Now I am of course very anxious to learn what more you have found out about Harriet and her children! I notice from the 1900 census she was the mother of eight children, with four living. By the way, I cannot find Harriet in 1910 or in any local death indexes… >> >> Thanks again, Don, for really making my day! Now I am going to have a late supper which I will enjoy thinking about all that great family history stuff! >> >> Very sincerely yours, >> >> Lars E. Oyane >> >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> >>> On May 6, 2018, at 1:08 PM, Don Angevine <dangevin@megalink.net <mailto:dangevin@megalink.net>> wrote: >>> >>> Polymyalgia Rheumatica Overview: >>> Polymyalgia rheumatica is an inflammatory disorder that causes muscle pain and stiffness, especially in the shoulders. Symptoms of polymyalgia rheumatica (pol-e-my-AL-juh rue-MAT-ih-kuh) usually begin quickly and are worse in the morning. Most people who develop polymyalgia rheumatica are older than 65. It rarely affects people under 50. >>> >>> You may receive symptom relief by taking anti-inflammatory drugs called corticosteroids. But relapses are common, and you'll need to visit your doctor regularly to watch for serious side effects of these drugs. >>> >>> Polymyalgia rheumatica is related to another inflammatory disorder called giant cell arteritis, which can cause headaches, vision difficulties, jaw pain and scalp tenderness. It's possible to have both of these conditions together. >>> >>> Trigeminal Neuralgia Overview: >>> Trigeminal neuralgia is a chronic pain condition that affects the trigeminal nerve, which carries sensation from your face to your brain. If you have trigeminal neuralgia, even mild stimulation of your face — such as from brushing your teeth or putting on makeup — may trigger a jolt of excruciating pain. >>> >>> You may initially experience short, mild attacks. But trigeminal neuralgia can progress and cause longer, more-frequent bouts of searing pain. Trigeminal neuralgia affects women more often than men, and it's more likely to occur in people who are older than 50. >>> >>> Because of the variety of treatment options available, having trigeminal neuralgia doesn't necessarily mean you're doomed to a life of pain. Doctors usually can effectively manage trigeminal neuralgia with medications, injections or surgery. >>> >> ~~~~~~~~~~ >>> >>> On May 6, 2018, at 1:06 PM, Don Angevine <dangevin@megalink.net <mailto:dangevin@megalink.net> <mailto:dangevin@megalink.net <mailto:dangevin@megalink.net>>> wrote: >>> >>> Lars, >>> >>> I have solved most of this query regarding Herman's wife and family, over the course of an intense 14 hour sitting! Having said that, I have not been successful in finding much of anything about the end of Herman's life. >>> >>> This has been one of the most challenging searches I have ever encountered, as the records for them are very inaccurate in many cases, regarding age, name changes -- they defaulted to "Johnson" -- and the use of first and middle names interchangeably for first names. Herman is shown to be from Sweden and Ireland in some cases. That would explain your difficulty if you were screwing your searches down too tightly, and excluding them inadvertently. >>> >>> I do not subscribe to any paid services, such as Ancestry.com <http://ancestry.com/> <http://ancestry.com/ <http://ancestry.com/>>, so links to them are not useful to me. I will be sending you a flood of files off-List, and I'd appreciate it if you could copy and paste the info you have about Herman's last years to me as well. >>> >>> BTW, the Harriet Randall you found is not correct. I have not, as yet, found an actual marriage record, but Herman was married to Harriet Ellen Held from Croydon, Indiana. They had several children, their first, Anna, coming around the time of his military discharge. For a long time in my search there was a long gap in the ages of the children, after Anna, and all girls, until near the end of my looking last night, when I found other children, including at least a couple of males with very common names, thus difficult to winnow out. >>> >>> None of the women I followed were successful in marriage, using the common "Widowed" in the records instead of "Divorced". I believe that is also what happened to Herman and Harriet in the end. >>> >>> I followed three daughters to their death, two dying within one week in 1923, victims of a "lysteria" outbreak in the USA and Europe. It was the death certificate record for their first child, Anna, that tipped me off to their mother's maiden name, and got this search rolling. >>> >>> From the time of Herman's military discharge, they lived in Spencer County, Kentucky, then Montgomery County, Tennessee, and eventually Memphis, TN. He is listed as Taylor-Farmer or just as Taylor. >>> >>> Don in Maine USA >>> >> ~~~~~~~~~~ >>> >>> On May 5, 2018, at 2:36 PM, Lars E. Oyane <lars.e.oyane@sdsl.no <mailto:lars.e.oyane@sdsl.no> <mailto:lars.e.oyane@sdsl.no <mailto:lars.e.oyane@sdsl.no>>> wrote: >>> >>> Dear Listers! >>> >>> I have for many years been trying to figure out what happened to this guy from Hafslo who in 1861 left his wife and four children in Bergen, Norway to seek his fortune in America. Today I have finally managed to find his death notice, but details are hard to get by. Maybe someone can help me? >>> >>> Hermund Johannesson Jordanger - in America known as Herman Johaneson - was born in Hafslo, Norway Apr. 15, 1829. In the spring of 1861 he left Bergen, probably with Chicago, IL as his destination, but this document, which I found today: >>> >>> https://www.ancestry.com/interactive/1200/MIUSA1866_113752-00593?pid=68546&backurl=https://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv%3D1%26dbid%3D1200%26h%3D68546%26tid%3D%26pid%3D%26usePUB%3Dtrue%26_phsrc%3DNzx8529%26_phstart%3DsuccessSource&treeid=&personid=&hintid=&usePUB=true&_phsrc=Nzx8529&_phstart=successSource&usePUBJs=true <https://www.ancestry.com/interactive/1200/MIUSA1866_113752-00593?pid=68546&backurl=https://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv%3D1%26dbid%3D1200%26h%3D68546%26tid%3D%26pid%3D%26usePUB%3Dtrue%26_phsrc%3DNzx8529%26_phstart%3DsuccessSource&treeid=&personid=&hintid=&usePUB=true&_phsrc=Nzx8529&_phstart=successSource&usePUBJs=true> <https://www.ancestry.com/interactive/1200/MIUSA1866_113752-00593?pid=68546&backurl=https://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv%3D1%26dbid%3D1200%26h%3D68546%26tid%3D%26pid%3D%26usePUB%3Dtrue%26_phsrc%3DNzx8529%26_phstart%3DsuccessSource&treeid=&personid=&hintid=&usePUB=true&_phsrc=Nzx8529&_phstart=successSource&usePUBJs=true <https://www.ancestry.com/interactive/1200/MIUSA1866_113752-00593?pid=68546&backurl=https://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv%3D1%26dbid%3D1200%26h%3D68546%26tid%3D%26pid%3D%26usePUB%3Dtrue%26_phsrc%3DNzx8529%26_phstart%3DsuccessSource&treeid=&personid=&hintid=&usePUB=true&_phsrc=Nzx8529&_phstart=successSource&usePUBJs=true>> <https://www.ancestry.com/interactive/1200/MIUSA1866_113752-00593?pid=68546&backurl=https://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=1&dbid=1200&h=68546&tid=&pid=&usePUB=true&_phsrc=Nzx8529&_phstart=successSource&treeid=&personid=&hintid=&usePUB=true&_phsrc=Nzx8529&_phstart=successSource&usePUBJs=true <https://www.ancestry.com/interactive/1200/MIUSA1866_113752-00593?pid=68546&backurl=https://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=1&dbid=1200&h=68546&tid=&pid=&usePUB=true&_phsrc=Nzx8529&_phstart=successSource&treeid=&personid=&hintid=&usePUB=true&_phsrc=Nzx8529&_phstart=successSource&usePUBJs=true><https://www.ancestry.com/interactive/1200/MIUSA1866_113752-00593?pid=68546&backurl=https://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=1&dbid=1200&h=68546&tid=&pid=&usePUB=true&_phsrc=Nzx8529&_phstart=successSource&treeid=&personid=&hintid=&usePUB=true&_phsrc=Nzx8529&_phstart=successSource&usePUBJs=true <https://www.ancestry.com/interactive/1200/MIUSA1866_113752-00593?pid=68546&backurl=https://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=1&dbid=1200&h=68546&tid=&pid=&usePUB=true&_phsrc=Nzx8529&_phstart=successSource&treeid=&personid=&hintid=&usePUB=true&_phsrc=Nzx8529&_phstart=successSource&usePUBJs=true>>> >>> >>> shows that he enlisted in Wisconsin 16th Company B (another source says Wisconsin 15th) at Milwaukee, WI on Sep. 18, 1861, and he was discharged at Louisville, KY Feb. 23, 1863 due to disability. I understand the document to say he was to reside at Memphis, TN working as a tailor, but in 1889 he entered the Veteran’s Home in Dayton, OH where he died May 4, 1910. His closest relative is listed as brother Trond (Jordanger) in Marifjora, Norway, but he is also said to be married leaving his widow Harriet Johaneson in Memphis, TN! >>> >>> Now I have three main questions: >>> >>> * Do we have on the list some military expert who can possibly locate more detailed information about Herman’s military service, for example where he resided when he enlisted and which battles he took part in? >>> >>> * I have looked all over for census information about Herman and/or Harriet Johaneson (and alternative spellings), but I come out entirely «blank». Not even the Memphis, TN city directories can be of any help. Maybe someone has better eyes than I do? >>> >>> * Finally, is it possible to locate an obituary for this Civil War veteran? >>> >>> Thanks a million in advance for your wonderful assistance in this matter! >>> >>> Very sincerely yours, >>> >>> Lars E. Oyane >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>

Dear Don and other Listers! Thanks a million, Don, for all the great information you have sent me off list about Herman Johaneson/Johnson and his «2nd» family. I am amazed with all you have found. I still need to organize my notes, but I have found some interesting details which may lead to obituaries? In particular would I like to mention, I discovered that Harriet and Herman must have divorced, since Harriet remarried in Memphis, TN Nov. 14, 1906 to Robert P. Payne, a railroad clerk from GA. He died in Memphis, TN already on Oct. 9, 1910, while Harriet Payne died in Memphis, TN on Apr. 15, 1921. Maybe there would also be obituaries for one or more of Herman and Harriet’s daughters, who all died in Memphis, TN as well: * Anna Nellie Jackson, died Mar. 26, 1923 * Jessie Stanton, died Mar. 17, 1923 * Lula Nora Hottum, died Aug. 23, 1928 Thanks again for your great assistance tracing this so very «elusive» family! Very sincerely yours, Lars E. Oyane ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > On May 6, 2018, at 3:52 PM, Lars E. Oyane <lars.e.oyane@sdsl.no> wrote: > > Dear Don and other Listers! > > I cannot express my pleasure in words! Thanks a million, Don, for a wonderful message which brings me almost to Heaven of gratitude! I am highly impressed with your findings, and as I read your message, I see we just have to keep our eyes open for ALL possibilities, even when it comes to birth places. I quickly looked up Herman in the 1870 and 1880 censuses where you said he would be, and yes, one place born in SWEDEN, and one place born in IRELAND. And the 1900 census for Memphis, TN has Harriet’s children’s father born in INDIANA! > > And then I went to check the Indiana State marriage records which are online with ancestry.com <http://ancestry.com/>, and I found this: > > Harman JOHNSON and Harriet E. HETH were married in Floyd Co., IN June 23, 1863 (while he was still officially married to his wife in Norway!), and I find Harriet E. Heth in the 1850 census aged 6 residing with her parents in Corydon, Harrison Co., IN. > > Now I am of course very anxious to learn what more you have found out about Harriet and her children! I notice from the 1900 census she was the mother of eight children, with four living. By the way, I cannot find Harriet in 1910 or in any local death indexes… > > Thanks again, Don, for really making my day! Now I am going to have a late supper which I will enjoy thinking about all that great family history stuff! > > Very sincerely yours, > > Lars E. Oyane > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > >> On May 6, 2018, at 1:08 PM, Don Angevine <dangevin@megalink.net> wrote: >> >> Polymyalgia Rheumatica Overview: >> Polymyalgia rheumatica is an inflammatory disorder that causes muscle pain and stiffness, especially in the shoulders. Symptoms of polymyalgia rheumatica (pol-e-my-AL-juh rue-MAT-ih-kuh) usually begin quickly and are worse in the morning. Most people who develop polymyalgia rheumatica are older than 65. It rarely affects people under 50. >> >> You may receive symptom relief by taking anti-inflammatory drugs called corticosteroids. But relapses are common, and you'll need to visit your doctor regularly to watch for serious side effects of these drugs. >> >> Polymyalgia rheumatica is related to another inflammatory disorder called giant cell arteritis, which can cause headaches, vision difficulties, jaw pain and scalp tenderness. It's possible to have both of these conditions together. >> >> Trigeminal Neuralgia Overview: >> Trigeminal neuralgia is a chronic pain condition that affects the trigeminal nerve, which carries sensation from your face to your brain. If you have trigeminal neuralgia, even mild stimulation of your face — such as from brushing your teeth or putting on makeup — may trigger a jolt of excruciating pain. >> >> You may initially experience short, mild attacks. But trigeminal neuralgia can progress and cause longer, more-frequent bouts of searing pain. Trigeminal neuralgia affects women more often than men, and it's more likely to occur in people who are older than 50. >> >> Because of the variety of treatment options available, having trigeminal neuralgia doesn't necessarily mean you're doomed to a life of pain. Doctors usually can effectively manage trigeminal neuralgia with medications, injections or surgery. >> > ~~~~~~~~~~ >> >> On May 6, 2018, at 1:06 PM, Don Angevine <dangevin@megalink.net <mailto:dangevin@megalink.net>> wrote: >> >> Lars, >> >> I have solved most of this query regarding Herman's wife and family, over the course of an intense 14 hour sitting! Having said that, I have not been successful in finding much of anything about the end of Herman's life. >> >> This has been one of the most challenging searches I have ever encountered, as the records for them are very inaccurate in many cases, regarding age, name changes -- they defaulted to "Johnson" -- and the use of first and middle names interchangeably for first names. Herman is shown to be from Sweden and Ireland in some cases. That would explain your difficulty if you were screwing your searches down too tightly, and excluding them inadvertently. >> >> I do not subscribe to any paid services, such as Ancestry.com <http://ancestry.com/>, so links to them are not useful to me. I will be sending you a flood of files off-List, and I'd appreciate it if you could copy and paste the info you have about Herman's last years to me as well. >> >> BTW, the Harriet Randall you found is not correct. I have not, as yet, found an actual marriage record, but Herman was married to Harriet Ellen Held from Croydon, Indiana. They had several children, their first, Anna, coming around the time of his military discharge. For a long time in my search there was a long gap in the ages of the children, after Anna, and all girls, until near the end of my looking last night, when I found other children, including at least a couple of males with very common names, thus difficult to winnow out. >> >> None of the women I followed were successful in marriage, using the common "Widowed" in the records instead of "Divorced". I believe that is also what happened to Herman and Harriet in the end. >> >> I followed three daughters to their death, two dying within one week in 1923, victims of a "lysteria" outbreak in the USA and Europe. It was the death certificate record for their first child, Anna, that tipped me off to their mother's maiden name, and got this search rolling. >> >> From the time of Herman's military discharge, they lived in Spencer County, Kentucky, then Montgomery County, Tennessee, and eventually Memphis, TN. He is listed as Taylor-Farmer or just as Taylor. >> >> Don in Maine USA >> > ~~~~~~~~~~ >> >> On May 5, 2018, at 2:36 PM, Lars E. Oyane <lars.e.oyane@sdsl.no <mailto:lars.e.oyane@sdsl.no>> wrote: >> >> Dear Listers! >> >> I have for many years been trying to figure out what happened to this guy from Hafslo who in 1861 left his wife and four children in Bergen, Norway to seek his fortune in America. Today I have finally managed to find his death notice, but details are hard to get by. Maybe someone can help me? >> >> Hermund Johannesson Jordanger - in America known as Herman Johaneson - was born in Hafslo, Norway Apr. 15, 1829. In the spring of 1861 he left Bergen, probably with Chicago, IL as his destination, but this document, which I found today: >> >> https://www.ancestry.com/interactive/1200/MIUSA1866_113752-00593?pid=68546&backurl=https://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv%3D1%26dbid%3D1200%26h%3D68546%26tid%3D%26pid%3D%26usePUB%3Dtrue%26_phsrc%3DNzx8529%26_phstart%3DsuccessSource&treeid=&personid=&hintid=&usePUB=true&_phsrc=Nzx8529&_phstart=successSource&usePUBJs=true <https://www.ancestry.com/interactive/1200/MIUSA1866_113752-00593?pid=68546&backurl=https://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv%3D1%26dbid%3D1200%26h%3D68546%26tid%3D%26pid%3D%26usePUB%3Dtrue%26_phsrc%3DNzx8529%26_phstart%3DsuccessSource&treeid=&personid=&hintid=&usePUB=true&_phsrc=Nzx8529&_phstart=successSource&usePUBJs=true> <https://www.ancestry.com/interactive/1200/MIUSA1866_113752-00593?pid=68546&backurl=https://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=1&dbid=1200&h=68546&tid=&pid=&usePUB=true&_phsrc=Nzx8529&_phstart=successSource&treeid=&personid=&hintid=&usePUB=true&_phsrc=Nzx8529&_phstart=successSource&usePUBJs=true <https://www.ancestry.com/interactive/1200/MIUSA1866_113752-00593?pid=68546&backurl=https://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=1&dbid=1200&h=68546&tid=&pid=&usePUB=true&_phsrc=Nzx8529&_phstart=successSource&treeid=&personid=&hintid=&usePUB=true&_phsrc=Nzx8529&_phstart=successSource&usePUBJs=true>> >> >> shows that he enlisted in Wisconsin 16th Company B (another source says Wisconsin 15th) at Milwaukee, WI on Sep. 18, 1861, and he was discharged at Louisville, KY Feb. 23, 1863 due to disability. I understand the document to say he was to reside at Memphis, TN working as a tailor, but in 1889 he entered the Veteran’s Home in Dayton, OH where he died May 4, 1910. His closest relative is listed as brother Trond (Jordanger) in Marifjora, Norway, but he is also said to be married leaving his widow Harriet Johaneson in Memphis, TN! >> >> Now I have three main questions: >> >> * Do we have on the list some military expert who can possibly locate more detailed information about Herman’s military service, for example where he resided when he enlisted and which battles he took part in? >> >> * I have looked all over for census information about Herman and/or Harriet Johaneson (and alternative spellings), but I come out entirely «blank». Not even the Memphis, TN city directories can be of any help. Maybe someone has better eyes than I do? >> >> * Finally, is it possible to locate an obituary for this Civil War veteran? >> >> Thanks a million in advance for your wonderful assistance in this matter! >> >> Very sincerely yours, >> >> Lars E. Oyane >> >> _______________________________________________ >

Dear Don and other Listers! I cannot express my pleasure in words! Thanks a million, Don, for a wonderful message which brings me almost to Heaven of gratitude! I am highly impressed with your findings, and as I read your message, I see we just have to keep our eyes open for ALL possibilities, even when it comes to birth places. I quickly looked up Herman in the 1870 and 1880 censuses where you said he would be, and yes, one place born in SWEDEN, and one place born in IRELAND. And the 1900 census for Memphis, TN has Harriet’s children’s father born in INDIANA! And then I went to check the Indiana State marriage records which are online with ancestry.com, and I found this: Harman JOHNSON and Harriet E. HETH were married in Floyd Co., IN June 23, 1863 (while he was still officially married to his wife in Norway!), and I find Harriet E. Heth in the 1850 census aged 6 residing with her parents in Corydon, Harrison Co., IN. Now I am of course very anxious to learn what more you have found out about Harriet and her children! I notice from the 1900 census she was the mother of eight children, with four living. By the way, I cannot find Harriet in 1910 or in any local death indexes… Thanks again, Don, for really making my day! Now I am going to have a late supper which I will enjoy thinking about all that great family history stuff! Very sincerely yours, Lars E. Oyane ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > On May 6, 2018, at 1:08 PM, Don Angevine <dangevin@megalink.net> wrote: > > Polymyalgia Rheumatica Overview: > Polymyalgia rheumatica is an inflammatory disorder that causes muscle pain and stiffness, especially in the shoulders. Symptoms of polymyalgia rheumatica (pol-e-my-AL-juh rue-MAT-ih-kuh) usually begin quickly and are worse in the morning. Most people who develop polymyalgia rheumatica are older than 65. It rarely affects people under 50. > > You may receive symptom relief by taking anti-inflammatory drugs called corticosteroids. But relapses are common, and you'll need to visit your doctor regularly to watch for serious side effects of these drugs. > > Polymyalgia rheumatica is related to another inflammatory disorder called giant cell arteritis, which can cause headaches, vision difficulties, jaw pain and scalp tenderness. It's possible to have both of these conditions together. > > Trigeminal Neuralgia Overview: > Trigeminal neuralgia is a chronic pain condition that affects the trigeminal nerve, which carries sensation from your face to your brain. If you have trigeminal neuralgia, even mild stimulation of your face — such as from brushing your teeth or putting on makeup — may trigger a jolt of excruciating pain. > > You may initially experience short, mild attacks. But trigeminal neuralgia can progress and cause longer, more-frequent bouts of searing pain. Trigeminal neuralgia affects women more often than men, and it's more likely to occur in people who are older than 50. > > Because of the variety of treatment options available, having trigeminal neuralgia doesn't necessarily mean you're doomed to a life of pain. Doctors usually can effectively manage trigeminal neuralgia with medications, injections or surgery. > ~~~~~~~~~~ > > On May 6, 2018, at 1:06 PM, Don Angevine <dangevin@megalink.net> wrote: > > Lars, > > I have solved most of this query regarding Herman's wife and family, over the course of an intense 14 hour sitting! Having said that, I have not been successful in finding much of anything about the end of Herman's life. > > This has been one of the most challenging searches I have ever encountered, as the records for them are very inaccurate in many cases, regarding age, name changes -- they defaulted to "Johnson" -- and the use of first and middle names interchangeably for first names. Herman is shown to be from Sweden and Ireland in some cases. That would explain your difficulty if you were screwing your searches down too tightly, and excluding them inadvertently. > > I do not subscribe to any paid services, such as Ancestry.com, so links to them are not useful to me. I will be sending you a flood of files off-List, and I'd appreciate it if you could copy and paste the info you have about Herman's last years to me as well. > > BTW, the Harriet Randall you found is not correct. I have not, as yet, found an actual marriage record, but Herman was married to Harriet Ellen Held from Croydon, Indiana. They had several children, their first, Anna, coming around the time of his military discharge. For a long time in my search there was a long gap in the ages of the children, after Anna, and all girls, until near the end of my looking last night, when I found other children, including at least a couple of males with very common names, thus difficult to winnow out. > > None of the women I followed were successful in marriage, using the common "Widowed" in the records instead of "Divorced". I believe that is also what happened to Herman and Harriet in the end. > > I followed three daughters to their death, two dying within one week in 1923, victims of a "lysteria" outbreak in the USA and Europe. It was the death certificate record for their first child, Anna, that tipped me off to their mother's maiden name, and got this search rolling. > > From the time of Herman's military discharge, they lived in Spencer County, Kentucky, then Montgomery County, Tennessee, and eventually Memphis, TN. He is listed as Taylor-Farmer or just as Taylor. > > Don in Maine USA > ~~~~~~~~~~ > > On May 5, 2018, at 2:36 PM, Lars E. Oyane <lars.e.oyane@sdsl.no> wrote: > > Dear Listers! > > I have for many years been trying to figure out what happened to this guy from Hafslo who in 1861 left his wife and four children in Bergen, Norway to seek his fortune in America. Today I have finally managed to find his death notice, but details are hard to get by. Maybe someone can help me? > > Hermund Johannesson Jordanger - in America known as Herman Johaneson - was born in Hafslo, Norway Apr. 15, 1829. In the spring of 1861 he left Bergen, probably with Chicago, IL as his destination, but this document, which I found today: > > https://www.ancestry.com/interactive/1200/MIUSA1866_113752-00593?pid=68546&backurl=https://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv%3D1%26dbid%3D1200%26h%3D68546%26tid%3D%26pid%3D%26usePUB%3Dtrue%26_phsrc%3DNzx8529%26_phstart%3DsuccessSource&treeid=&personid=&hintid=&usePUB=true&_phsrc=Nzx8529&_phstart=successSource&usePUBJs=true <https://www.ancestry.com/interactive/1200/MIUSA1866_113752-00593?pid=68546&backurl=https://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=1&dbid=1200&h=68546&tid=&pid=&usePUB=true&_phsrc=Nzx8529&_phstart=successSource&treeid=&personid=&hintid=&usePUB=true&_phsrc=Nzx8529&_phstart=successSource&usePUBJs=true> > > shows that he enlisted in Wisconsin 16th Company B (another source says Wisconsin 15th) at Milwaukee, WI on Sep. 18, 1861, and he was discharged at Louisville, KY Feb. 23, 1863 due to disability. I understand the document to say he was to reside at Memphis, TN working as a tailor, but in 1889 he entered the Veteran’s Home in Dayton, OH where he died May 4, 1910. His closest relative is listed as brother Trond (Jordanger) in Marifjora, Norway, but he is also said to be married leaving his widow Harriet Johaneson in Memphis, TN! > > Now I have three main questions: > > * Do we have on the list some military expert who can possibly locate more detailed information about Herman’s military service, for example where he resided when he enlisted and which battles he took part in? > > * I have looked all over for census information about Herman and/or Harriet Johaneson (and alternative spellings), but I come out entirely «blank». Not even the Memphis, TN city directories can be of any help. Maybe someone has better eyes than I do? > > * Finally, is it possible to locate an obituary for this Civil War veteran? > > Thanks a million in advance for your wonderful assistance in this matter! > > Very sincerely yours, > > Lars E. Oyane > > _______________________________________________