If you haven't found this yet ... Go here .... http://www.hinmanfamily.com/ Here's the NORTON page ... tons of them...... http://www.hinmanfamily.com/findexa.htm#NORTON I have a RHODA HINMAN married to CHESTER UPHAM .. can't find her parents ....... but narrowing it down .. I am also a descendent of LYDIA N. Rockwell NORTON and JOHN Gaylord HOWE .. Lydia's brother AARON married a Rhoda HINMAN .... (the timeline is off so they are not the same Rhoda ) Jill in SoCal

Saw this message ... I always search the archives before posting.. found some info that the list did not have Or I did not find in the archives... Any info on MY line LYDIA N. ROCKWELL NORTON married to JOHN Gaylord HOWE appreciated .. I do not have their death dates .... anyone ??? http://searches2.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/ifetch2?/u1/textindices/N/NORTON+1 998+300332429+F Elihu Norton, son of Joseph and Prudence (Osborn), was born 11 January 1732. He married Dinah Snow. Lived in Goshen, CT 1758 and Coos, N.H. Children: Nathan, b 12 January 1757; mar (_____) Howe This is from the book "Abraham HOWE Genealogies 1929 by Daniel Wait HOWE" ********Nathan married EXPERIENCE HOWE b 27 Dec 1759 she was daughter of JOHN Gaylord HOWE and Mary WADHAMS of Wallingford CT. Mary died in 1765 and John married LYDIA N. Rockwell NORTON daug of Isaac NORTON and Mary ROCKWELL These are the HOWE/NORTON marriages or Norton Names mentioned in the book and Page number... Mr. Norton no given name .. pg 157 noted in Will of James HOW (E) of Ipswich, Essex, MASS Bay Jan 12, 1699/1700 "lott bounded by Timothy pearleys Land & yt wch was winthrops Farme & Mr. Nortons Farme Formerly" ALEXANDER, PG 446 married to Olive HOWE of Elisha and Olive JOHNSON their children here are George lived in Calif and Jane no info. Canaan CT CHLOE, pg 464 married Stephen HOWE mar abt 1809 Chloe NORTON , who came from OHIO to Poultney VT about in 1808 , making the trip on horse back. She was born in VT 1788 and died 6 Dec 1851 age 63 Children br in Poultney were James, Jacob, Mary D., Sarah, Marion DANIEL pg 416 married Elizabeth HOWE may 27 1762 daug. of JEREMIAH Cook HOWE and ELIZABETH Hickox GAYLORD (this is MY line) EFFIE pg 360 161a Moses C. HOWE br Leeds ME 20 Jan 1860, married Effie they lived in Greene ME where he died. HANNAH pg 452 126 William HOWE married Polly IRELAND daughter of John and Hannah (NORTON) IRELAND Ridgefield, CT IDELLA D. pg 72 marr Allen Francis SMITH.. he was the son of Mary William HOWE and Abner Lewis SMITH .. Mary was the daughter of Isaac HOWE and Betsy Stowe WILLIAMS .. (daug of John and Sally Battelle (Stowe) WILLIAMS ) of Framingham and Dover MASS. 8 more to follow later .... Hope this helps someone .. Jill .. Back to the list ... after I found my Grandmamma Lydia N NORTON ...

On Fri, 29 Mar 2002 02:01:34 -0700, NORTON-D-request@rootsweb.com wrote: >I was very, very delinquent when I first started doing genealogy and >didn't document my sources with anything approaching scholarship. Weren't we all <g>? I don't have anything on Nathaniel, Jonathan or George in Salem. As I've never found a convincing link between George Norton's line and mine I don't have a lot on his descendants and/or siblings. Bob Norton

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Obituary Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/Qi3.2ACIB/1687 Message Board Post: *NOTE: I am not researching this family. This is the only information I have. "NORTON - Mrs. Trudie Mae Norton, 62, 8509 Ashlet St. died Sunday. A native of Donaldsonville, Ga., she had lived in Tampa 25 years. She was a Baptist and a retired employee of Winn-Dixie. Survivors include a daughter, Mrs. Bessie Underwood, Tampa; brothers, Clyde Coleman, Bainbridge, Ga., and Lee Coleman, Lakeland; and a grandson, Ronald Gordon, Tampa. Funeral services will be held at 2:00 Wednesday at the Swilley Funeral Home, 1602 W. Waters Ave., with the Rev. Keith Shumate, associate pastor of the Temple Heights Baptist Church, officiating. Interment will be in Oak Grove Cemetery." Published in The Tampa Tribune (Tampa, Florida, USA), Tuesday, September 18, 1973, p. 7-D.

SAMUEL ATKINSON b. 21 Apr 1759 Burlington Co., NJ married MIRIAM NORTON b. abt 1763 Burlington Co., NJ. Source: LDS Ancestral File Colleen Kitch GuyCol@webtv.net

I don't have George being the offspring of Thomas and Grace. Don't know if I mistyped or what. Sorry, and glad you questioned me. Blind acceptance is how these gross errors find their way into the genealogical record. I was very, very delinquent when I first started doing genealogy and didn't document my sources with anything approaching scholarship. However, in the case of early George(s) information, I believe it came from Lewis Mills Norton's 1859 manuscript (which I had in microfilm and just gave away a year or so ago) and, later, the Barbour Collection of Connecticut Vital Records (ditto). On a "related" topic, I have been trying unsuccesfully to force feed the following two gents into the George of Salem genealogy: Timothy Norton, b. 1715, prob. in Brookhaven. Lived in Middle Island, Married Sybil (John) Bryan, Mar. 18, 1739, blah, blah, blah Nathaniel Norton, b. in Brookhaven. Originally thought these brothers were sons of Johnathan, Nathaniel, George of Salem. Am not so sure now. Any thoughts? Bob Norton

>From: "eleven" <eleven@mfi.net> >>My maternal Grandmother was Nellie Nichols, daughter of: Tacy >>Norton b. OH 1833 m. Wm H Nichols going on back the line: Norton Wm >>b. PA 1805 m. Jane Michener Norton, John b. PA 1760 m. >>Christina Jane Noss Norton John b. CT ca 1740 Norton, Thomas b. CT >>ca 1708 Norton, George b. MA ca 1672 m. Hannah Younglove Norton, >>George b MA 1641 m. Sarah Hart Norton, George b. ca 1605 m. >>Mary Machias Norton, Thomas b. Eng 1570 m. Grace Wells Norton, >>William b. Eng 1534 m Denise Cholmley What is your source for Thomas Norton and Grace Wells being the parents of George Norton? Thomas (who was actually born in 1609 and NOT to William Norton and Dionis Cholmeley) and Grace were married in 1631, far too late to have been George's parents.

I am looking for the parents of Nathan NORTON, born about 1740. He married Hannah Johnson and had 2 children--Daniel born 1771 and Hannah born 1776. They were married in Greenland, NH in 1769 and Nathan died in 1776--before his daughter was born. any relationship to this family, please contact me. Jean

Hi Dex, Thanks for responding so quickly. As you can see, I daughtered-out much earlier than you did, though we do follow the same line for 3 generations here in the US. As for what I have, I'm forwarding you a copy of my notes on our immigrant ancestor GEORGE, b ca 1605. I'd be happy to send more if you'd like. What do you have on THOMAS & WILLIAM born England and their spouses, GRACE WELLS and DENISE CHOLMELY? I don't have much of anything, though I've been told that this NORTON line dates quite far back. Looking forward to hearing from you. Betty Brady My notes on GEORGE NORTON, Authority: Ancestral Chart, data provided by Pelham St. G. Bissell, Jr. to William W. Molla, before 1981. GEORGE NORTON, to US in 1629, m. MARY. Authority: Notes from "The Little Black Book of Pelham St. George Bissell, Jr.," 1930-1943 as transcribed by his son, George Henry Bissell, in 1996, p. 17: 1. George Norton - of Salem, Mass., b. England. Emigrated from Higgenson to Salem in 1629. Went to Gloucester in 1641 and was selectman and its representative in General Court in 1642, 1643 & 1644, in which year he returned to Salem, where he d. 1659. m. Mary _____. Authority - The Great Migration Begins, Immigrants to New England 1620-1633, by NEGHS: GEORGE NORTON Origin: Unknown Immigration: 1629 First Residence: Salem Removes: Gloucester 1642, Wenham 1645, Salem Occupation: Carpenter. Innkeeper ("George Norton licensed to keep an ordinary upon the road where he dwells, and to sell strong waters to travellers," 29 June 1658 [EQC 2:100]; license renewed, 28 June 1659 [EQC 2:164]). Church Membership: Included in list of Salem church members compiled late in 1636 (with later annotation "dead") [SChR 5]; admission prior to 14 May 1634 implied by freemanship. 13 April 1645: "George Norton, a member of the church at Gloucester, was admitted to participate" in communion at Wenham [Fiske Notebook 31]. On 21 September 1645 Gloucester church issued a letter of dismission for George Norton, and on 28 September Wenham church, after examining his spiritual state, admitted him to the covenant [Fiske Notebook 36-38]. Freeman: 14 May 1634 [MBCR 1:368]. Education: Signed inventory of Mary Hersome of Wenham, 2 September 1646 [EQC 1:106]. OFFICES: Essex jury, 27 March 1638, 25 June 1639, 30 June 1640 [EQC 1:7, 11, 19]. Deputy of the Salem marshal (apparently for Gloucester), 2 November 1642 [EQC 1:52]. Essex grand jury (for Salem), 24 November 1657 [EQC 2:58]. Essex trial jury, 28 June 1659 [EQC 2:157]. Gloucester deputy to General Court, 8 September 1642, 10 May 1643 [MBCR 2:22, 33]. Gloucester member of committee on bounds between Ipswich and Gloucester, 3 May 1642 [MBCR 2:4]. Commissioner to end small causes at Gloucester, 10 May 1643 [MBCR 2:35]. On 29 May 1644 it was "ordered, (at the request of the town of Glocester,) that George Norton (as their eldest sergeant) shall exercise their military company" [MBCR 2:67]. Estate: In the 1636 Salem land grant received forty acres "above Mr. Cole" (in the "freeman's" section of the list) [STR 1:20, 26]. In the 25 December 1637 Salem division of marsh received three-quarters of an acre, with a household of five [STR 1:102]. In response to a petition, the General Court on 13 May 1640 granted to a "company" of men, including "Geo: Norton," "Jeffryes Creek, and land to erect a village there" [MBCR 1:289]. On 30 January 1643[/4] twelve acres meadow in the Great Meadow at Wenham laid out according to "former grants to Richard Prince Sarah the now wife of Daniell Rumbull in the right of George Norton and John White" [STR 1:181]. On 29 November 1659 administration on the estate of George Norton was granted to his wife, Mary Norton. The inventory of the estate of George Norton was taken 22 September 1659 and totalled œ134 11s. 6d., with no real estate included. Freegrace Norton and John Norton, children of George Norton, petitioned for division of the estate, mentioning mother Mary Norton, and listing the children: Freegrace, aged 24; John, aged 22; Nathaniel, aged 20; George, aged 18; Mary, aged 16; Mehittabell, aged 14; Sarah, aged 12; Hannah, aged 10; Abigaill, aged 8; and Ellizabeth, aged 5 [EPR 1:304]. Birth: By about 1610 based on estimated date of marriage. Death: Between June 1659 (tavern license) and 22 September 1659 (inventory). Marriage: By about 1635 Mary ____; she was admitted to Salem church 4 September 1637 [SChR 7]. She married (2) Ipswich 27 February 1659[/60] PHILIP FOWLER (with whom she defended her administration of George's estate, November Term 1665 [EQC 3:285]). (Seversmith dismisses the undocumented claim that she was Mary Machias; he also argues convincingly that the claim that Mary was sister of Bethia Cartwright of Salem derives from a misreading of the will of Bethia [TAG 15:194-95].) Children: i. FREEGRACE, b. about 1635; m. Ipswich 3 August 16[58-62] Lydia Spencer. ii. JOHN, bp. Salem 2 October 1637 [SChR 16]; m. Salem 3 April 1660 Mary Sharp. iii. NATHANIEL, bp. Salem 29 May 1639 [SChR 17]; m. by about 1665 Mary Mills, daughter of Richard Mills (eldest child b. about 1665 [TAG 15:197]; Mary Norton, daughter of "Nathanael & Mary, & grandchild of Mr. Mils" who "was in communion in the elder church in Stratford" was bp. in the "younger" church in Stratford on 28 September 1673 [TAG 9:18; see also FOOF 1:411]). iv. GEORGE, bp. Salem 28 March 1641 [SChR 18]; m. (1) Ipswich 7 October 1669 Sarah Hart; m. (2) Windsor 14 June 1683 Mercy (Barber) Gillett [CTVR 52], widow of John Gillett (son of JONATHAN GILLETT) and daughter of Thomas Barber [Manwaring 1:94]. v. MARY, b. Gloucester 28 February 1643; m. Ipswich 14 October 1664 Thomas Hart. vi. MEHITABLE, b. about 1645; m. Ipswich 20 December 1664 Samuel Adams. vii. SARAH, bp. Wenham 15 February 1646/7 [Fiske Notebook 49]; m. Ipswich [blank] Feb. 1678 Samuel Hart. viii. HANNAH, b. about 1649; living 1689 [TAG 15:196 (evidence not cited)]. ix. ABIGAIL, b. about 1651; prob. m. Andover 30 March 1676 Samuel Martin. x. ELIZABETH, b. about 1654; prob. m. Ipswich 13 November 1676 Josiah Bridges. (She did not marry John Wainwright [TAG 30:18; NEHGR 13:230].) Comments: In their 17 April 1629 letter to John Endicott, in a section informing him of various settlers being sent over that year, the Massachusetts Bay Company included "one Norton, a carpenter, whom we pray you respect as he shall deserve" [MBCR 1:396]. This has been assumed, with good reason, to be George Norton, since George was later referred to as a carpenter. George Norton was presented at Salem Court for "lying and subborning witnesses to scandalize the church of Wenham, to pay 20s. for two lies and seven witnesses three days, and to confess before the assembly met at Wenham in the meeting house, as follows: `I do confess and acknowledge that I have sinfully endeavored to justify myself and my turbulent and factious agitations against the just and orderly proceedings of the church against me for my sin in that I have incessantly labored out of the pride of my heart to gather up witnesses of all sorts to testify against the dealing of the church with me seeking thereby to lay a scandal upon the church which cannot but greatly tend to the dishonor of God and the reproach of religion.' Refusing to make this confession, to sit one hour in the stocks" [EQC 1:156]. (The misbehavior of George Norton was the principal matter of church business at Wenham throughout 1648 and 1649 [Fiske Notebook 57-88].) At November Term 1665, Mary Norton's new husband, Philip Fowler, in her right as administratrix of George Norton's estate, successfully sued Roger Preston for an incompleted lease on John Endicott's farm called "Groton." Norton had leased it for ten years, beginning 1 March 1655/6 for 118 per year, and was to build a strong and sufficient house, "in every way like that of Mr. Tredwell at Ipswich, except Norton was to make catted chimneys instead of brick, and was to leave the house tenantable at the end of the term ... in consideration for which he was to have one year of the rent of the farm free" [EQC 3:286]. Roger Preston had agreed to take over the lease starting 14 March 1659/60, but was reluctant after the death of Norton in 1659. Savage stated that between his residences at Gloucester and Wenham, George Norton resided briefly at Ipswich, but this was his son of the same name [TAG 15:196]. With regard to the baptism of daughter Mary in Gloucester in 1643, Savage made the peculiar statement "unless this were mistake, as to me seems probable for Henry" [Savage 3:291]. Since the list of children of George Norton does include a daughter Mary of the right age, but no Henry of any age, it is hard to understand what Savage intended here. In his treatment of George Norton, Herbert F. Seversmith provided baptismal dates for the last two daughters from the Salem church [TAG 15:196]. The dates are correct, but the first of them is for a son John rather than daughter Abigail. These two baptisms, in 1651 for John and 1653 for Elizabeth, are for children of "Mr. Norton," who at this time in Salem would be Francis Norton. Bibiliographic Note: In 1939 Herbert F. Seversmith compiled a sketch of the life and family of George Norton, along with an examination of Norton's possible English ancestry; Seversmith thought the derivation from the Nortons of Sharpenhoe, Bedfordshire, was unlikely [TAG 15:193-207]. Authority - (?) - The following text was sent to me from Scott McArthur, PC, 112 N. Atwater Street, Monmouth, Oregon 97361. January 15, 1995. George Norton sailed from Isle of Wight about May 11, 1629, previous port Gravesend, England, aboard the ship Talbot, of London, Thomas Beecher, Master, and arrived at Salem, Mass., July 29. He was a member of the party of Rev. Francis Higgingson, of Leicester, England, consisting of about 100 planters and servants. The Talbot was one of five ships. In April, 1629, George was a resident of Salem, a carpenter. He was a Freeman, Massachusetts Bay Colony on May 14, 1634. In 1634, he was contracted to build the meeting house at Salem for 100 pounds. He served on juries, 1638-1640. In 1640 he was one of a company of men authorized by the General Court to erect a village in Jeffries Creek, now Manchaster. In 1642 he was the owner of a farm at Little Good Harbor. In 1644-48 in Wenham. February 1648, George Norton in the Quarterly Court of Essex County sentenced to pay 20 shillings and sit one hour in the stocks (having refused to make confession) for "lying and subborning witnesses to scandalize the church at Wenham." In 1656 he leased a farm called Groton from Lucia Downing for 10 years from March 1, 1656, at rent of 18 pounds per year payable in Indian corn, wheat, barley, port, butter, cheese, and cattle. he was to build a house, the chimney of brick, and therefore to have one year's rent free. He was Deputy of Massachusetts General Court 1642-43-44. Sergeant and Drill Master in 1644. Authority - The Compendium Of American Genealogy, Immigrant Ancestors, by Frederick Adams Virkus, CD/Genealgical Pub. Co., Inc., Disk 3, Vol. VII, p. 343: 9. GEORGE NORTON, from Eng. 1632, with Rev. Higginson; settled at Salem, Mass.; rep. from Gloucester to Gen Assembly, Boston, 1642-44; m. MARY MACHIAS; 8. GEORGE (1641-96), Ipswich, Mass.; ens., 1682; capt., 1693; m. 1st. SARAH HART (d. 1682); 1 Thomas NORTON b: Abt. 1589 in Prob. England 2 George NORTON, Sr., qv b: Bef. 1610 in England d: Bef. September 22, 1659 in of Salem,Gloucester, Wentham, MA ...... +MARY b: Abt. 1613 in of Salem, Essex, MA m: Bef. 1635 .. 3 George NORTON, Jr., Capt. b: Bef. March 28, 1641 in Salem, Essex Co., MA d: November 15, 1696 in Suffield, Hartford Co., CT ........ +Sarah HART b: Abt. 1648 in Ipswich, Essex, MA m: October 07, 1669 in Ipswich, MA d: June 23, 1682 in Suffield, Hartford Co., CT .... 4 George NORTON, 3rd. b: November 10, 1671 in Ipswich, Essex Co., MA d: February 13, 1741/42 in Suffield, Hartford, Co., CT .......... +Hannah YOUNGLOVE m: 1695 d: November 23, 1715 in Suffield, Hartford, CT ....... 5 John NORTON b: 1706 in Suffield, Hartford Co., CT d: April 30, 1783 in Suffield, Hartford Co., CT ............. +Rebecca SHELDON b: 1714 d: May 14, 1793 in Suffield, Hartford Co., CT ......... 6 Daniel NORTON b: September 13, 1751 in Suffield, Hartford Co., CT d: January 17, 1814 in Suffield, Hartford Co., CT ............... +Lucy KING b: 1753 m: November 07, 1790 in Suffield, Hartford Co., CT d: August 21, 1831 in Suffield, Hartford Co., CT ........... 7 Lucy King NORTON b: December 18, 1793 in Suffield, Hartford Co., CT d: March 16, 1865 in Suffield, Hartford Co., CT ................. +Asaph Leavitt BISSELL, MD b: January 01, 1791 in Suffield, Hartford Co., CT m: June 03, 1819 in Suffield, Hartford Co., CT d: August 01, 1850 in Suffield, Hartford Co., CT Original Message ----- From: "eleven" <eleven@mfi.net> To: <baylady5@comcast.net> Sent: Monday, March 25, 2002 12:02 PM Subject: Re: [NORTON] NORTON's arriving in 1600's > Hi Betty, > > We are distant cousins. > > My Lineage: > > My maternal Grandmother was Nellie Nichols, daughter of: > Tacy Norton b. OH 1833 m. Wm H Nichols > going on back the line: > Norton Wm b. PA 1805 m. Jane Michener > Norton, John b. PA 1760 m. Christina Jane Noss > Norton John b. CT ca 1740 > Norton, Thomas b. CT ca 1708 > Norton, George b. MA ca 1672 m. Hannah Younglove > Norton, George b MA 1641 m. Sarah Hart > Norton, George b. ca 1605 m. Mary Machias > Norton, Thomas b. Eng 1570 m. Grace Wells > Norton, William b. Eng 1534 m Denise Cholmley > > I have quite a bit of data on the NORTON family. > > What do you have? > > Dex White eleven@mfi.net > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <baylady5@comcast.net> > To: <NORTON-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, March 25, 2002 11:22 AM > Subject: [NORTON] NORTON's arriving in 1600's > > > > BlankThis is my first message to the Norton list service as I am a new > > member. > > > > I am a descendant of two NORTON families who arrived in the colonies > during > > the 1600's. > > > > They are: > > > > GEORGE NORTON SR, b 1609 England, d. 1659 Salem, MA > > > > & > > > > NICHOLAS NORTON, JR, b. 1610 England, d. aft April 17, 1690, Edgartown, > > Martha's Vineyard, MA. > > > > I would very much enjoy the opportunity to learn about either of the > above's > > ancestry. > > > > I would also enjoy sharing the information I have gathered regarding these > > two families. > > > > Looking forward to hearing from you. > > > > Betty > > > > > > > > ==== NORTON Mailing List ==== > > NORTON List Website > > Carlota Norton Robinson Memorial Website > > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~norton > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, > go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > >

BlankThis is my first message to the Norton list service as I am a new member. I am a descendant of two NORTON families who arrived in the colonies during the 1600's. They are: GEORGE NORTON SR, b 1609 England, d. 1659 Salem, MA & NICHOLAS NORTON, JR, b. 1610 England, d. aft April 17, 1690, Edgartown, Martha's Vineyard, MA. I would very much enjoy the opportunity to learn about either of the above's ancestry. I would also enjoy sharing the information I have gathered regarding these two families. Looking forward to hearing from you. Betty

Thank you Orin. I have no problem being told when someone else is wrong, or that I have it wrong because of them! I note that the NEH&G Register as early as April 1897 had a query from Elliot Stone of Riverside, NY City about the NORTONs of Guilford, CT. [Vol. 51, p. 221]. In it is a statement that Thomas Norton's wife was named Grace WELLS and that they were m. in Shelton parish (Bedfordshire) on May 5, 1631, and that Grace was the daughter of Thomas WELLS and was baptized Feb. 15, 1632 in the adjoining parish of Deane. Elliot Stone was then seeking proof that the wife of Thomas NORTON who was named Grace, was indeed a WELLS! As far as I can tell he never got his proof. The Descendants of Thomas NORTON are compiled in the NEH&G Register in 1900 on pp. 269-276 by Hon. R.D. Smith and communicated by Dr. Bernard G. Steiner. They cite the previous query and compound the problem with more info, with Mr. Smith's statement," No explanation of his tangle can as yet be given." It would seem that in all of these years someone interested in the WELLS and/or NORTON family history would have devoted time and effort to resolve the issue of who, when, and where the Thomas NORTON who immigrant to Guilford, Conn. with Rev. Mr. Whitfield in 1639 married. Is the Evesham you refer to the one in Northants and Hunts in the extremity of Beds? If so, it is famous as the site of the Battle of Evesham in 1265 during the Baron's War when King Henry III finally beat Simon de Montford! Alas poor Simon, he was killed fighting on foot after his horse was killed under him. His body was mutilated with ritualistic savagery as there were no fair military commissions or tribunals to worry about then! He was buried by the Benedictine Monks in the north transept under the High Alter in The Abbey near the battlefield. At 06:29 PM 3/23/2002 -0800, you wrote: >At 07:38 PM 3/23/02 -0500, George W. Page wrote: > > >I am descended from Grace WELLS who m. Thomas NORTON in Bedfordshire, Eng. >about 1631. IGI files, not Ancestrial Files, of the LDS church indicate >that she was the daughter of Hugh & Frances (Belcher) WELLS.<< > >I hate it when we have to tell someone that their ancestor as documented in >such places may not be correct. You are in good company. Many if not all >of us, including myself, have had to "discard" an ancestor or two along the >way. At issue is a choice between sticking with the "first finding" or >seeking the facts. > >I know about Grace Wells who married Thomas Norton. But I don't have much >on the family. If you will check the IGI on Grace Wells with spouse Thomas >Norton you will find the following on the marriage alone: > >05 May 1631 Shelton, Bedfordshire >Abt. 1607 >1625 England >1625 Ockley, Surrey, England >1631 England >Abt. 1634 England >Abt 1635 Shelton, Bedfordshire >1645 England >August 1604 Shelton, Bedfordshire >05 May 1621 Shelton, Bedfordshire >Abt. 1626 England >9 May 1666 Souldrop, Bedford, England >Plus 6 different dates showing them married in either Connecticut or >Suffolk, England. > >The point is the IGI is just as parilous as the Ancestral file because much >of the information has been submitted by individuals who may or may not >have done a good job of researching their ancestors. Sometimes they simply >take what someone else has written or claimed and declared it to be fact. >If the information used comes from parish records it is pretty reliable. >The problem is most people can not tell the difference and the tendency is >to want to believe any information found in the IGI. If this is so, then >please tell me which marriage date and location above one should believe is >the correct one? > >As far as I know there is no documented evidence that would link Grace to >the family in question. There were only 4 children born to the family all >in England. The idea that they came from Essex and the husband was named >Hugh Welles who supposedly died in Wethersfield, Connecticut in 1645 and >his widow Frances Belcher Welles then married Thomas Coleman seems to have >first appeared in an early work done by "Prof" Albert Welles in 1846 and >then in a later expanded edition in 1876. Unfortunately, Albert Welles got >a lot of things wrong in his books. > >There were many who accepted this until it was challenged several years ago >by a noted genealogist in an article in, I believe, the American >Genealogist where he suggested that Hugh had not existed as no proof could >be found. They suggested research in Evesham might yield some information >as Thomas Coleman left a house there to his "son-in-law" (step son) Thomas >Welles and it was clear this belonged to the Welles family. A number of >researchers, including myself and I am not even from this family, >independantly had the area around Evesham researched and came up with the >same answer. > >Hugh Welles and Frances Belcher were actually Thomas Welles and Frances >Albright. All the Welles children save the eldest son Thomas were found in >the parish records of Evesham. This included a daughter others had no >information on previously because she had died about the same time her >father died in Evesham in Feb. 1636/7. It was then clear that Thomas >Coleman and Frances Welles had married in England and not in Connecticut. > >The clincher came when a document was found by researcher Douglas >Richardson in 1992 in the Boston archives among "Aspinwall's Notarial >Records" which was a power of attorney dated 03 Oct 1646 that showed Thomas >Coleman held responsiblity over the property in Evesham and that one John >Albright was occupying the property and not paying the rent. John Albright >was a brother of Frances Albright who married Thomas Welles in 1625 as >documented in the Evesham parish records. > >There is no record of a daughter Grace or a son Hugh (another person >present in Wethersfield at the same time and allegedly linked to the family >without proof). But the other children were found and circumstantially >confirmed when the eldest son, Thomas Welles who married Mary Beardsley, >named his first four children in the exact same birth order as his siblings >including the deceased Sarah. > >For more information, check the following URL and read the research notes. > >http://www.rootsweb.com/~wellsfam/genealgy/fam00002/fam00002.html > >Now, there is an interesting reference in the power of attorney exectued by >Thomas Coleman in which it refers to "the Remainder of a Legacie in the >hands of John Norton of Cotherstock Esq. granted by the will of John >Coleman of Cotherstock." > >I don't know of anyone who has ever followed up on this to figure out what >was in the will of John Coleman (father of brother of Thomas?) and the >relationship to John Norton. But this may have nothing to do with the >Welles and likely nothing to do with your Thomas Norton. > >Since Thomas Norton and Grace Wells were married in Bedfordshire, my >inclination is to believe that it is more likely she was born near that >location and that is where one should research for an identify of her family. > > > > > >You state that more recent research indicates the info about Hugh WELLS and > >Frances Belcher is wrong! > >Please provide more specific information about the recent research that you > >refer to: > >We are always asking for proof that an event happened. > >In this case I am asking for proof that it didn't happen! > > > >My previous posting about her ancestry on this list, has gone unanswered. > > > >GWP > > > > >Orin R. Wells >Wells Family Research Association >P. O. Box 5427 >Kent, Washington 98064-5427 ><OrinWells@wells.org> >http://www.rootsweb.com/~wellsfam/wfrahome.html >Subscribe to the "Wells-L" list on RootsWeb > > >==== WELLS Mailing List ==== >Wells Surname List Home Page >http://www.zekes.com/~dwells/windex.html

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Hello Mark: I forgot to include my notes about my Ephraim Page, b. 21 July 1730 the son of Deacon Daniel and Hannah (Johnson) Page of North Branford: L.D.S. # 7450354-O and 7128715-7 records birth as well as Branford VR (Vol. 3, p. 71). He was a Lieutenant in the militia prior to Revolutionary War. On town committee selected on 17 November 1775 to "Secure proper ammunition for defense and conserve same." Branford Rev. Recd. on p. 3. Married Martha Norton who was mother of his children. He was NOT the Ephraim Page who married Sally Judd on 28 October 1784 at Branford (That Ephraim Page was b. 10 July 1760, the son of Amos and Rebecca (Burgess) Page).. From the Conn. Historical Collections, Vol. VIII. Conn. Line 1777-81, p. 65: "Short Term Levies 1779- Return of the Eight M Men that belonged to the 4th Conn. Regt. commanded by John Durkee, Col. Ephraim Page of Branford, July 20, 1779 - Jan. 15, 1780 term of service 6 months. Discharged 15 January 1780." Ephraim Page sold his three parcels of land in North Branford in 1784: 8-1/2 acres to Capt. Reuben Rose of Branford on 6 May 1784 (v. 11:32); 43 acres to Justus Rose of Branford on 12 August 1784 (v. 11:44); 10 acres on Toket Hill to Joseph Bunnell of Branford on 13 August 1784 (v. 18:196) Recorded on 27 February 1819. Ephraim appeared on the Tax List of the Old Town of Coxsackie in then the county of Albany, New York, on 12 June 1787. Also appearing near his name were the names of Eli Norton, Ambrose Norton and John Baker, Jr.. Ephraim's name does NOT appear on the 1790 Census of Connecticut. On March 18, 1792 he and his sons, Eli, Luther, and Timothy Page, together with: Ambrose, Asher, Giles, and Isaac Norton (of Guilford); William Barker (Jr. of Branford); Israel Baldwin (the father of Dinah Baldwin who m. Ephraim's brother, Daniel, in N. Branford); and others signed a petition to the legislature protesting the validity of the Prevost and Seaton patents near Greenville, Greene Co., New York. [Raymond Beecher, "Out To Greenville and Beyond - Historical Sketches of Greene Co." (Cornwallville, N.Y.: Hope Farm Press, 1977), p. 102.] Ephraim and his sons, Ephraim, Jr. and Timothy, appear on the 1800 census of N.Y. (Son Eli had already gone to Oneida Co., N.Y.). Ephraim d. intestate and his Probate Records are found in the Greene Co. Court House. On 30 April 1803 Timothy Page was appointed the executor of Ephraim's estate. His sons-in-law, Isaac Norton and Henry Johnson, also signed the document. Therefore Ephraim died before the end of April 1803 and is probably buried in an unmarked grave in the Locust Cemetery, at the intersection of highway 81 and Maple Ave. between West Greenville and Norton Hill. My search for his tombstone was unsuccessful and letters to the local mortician and town historian have remained unanswered.

Hello Mark: I am the source of the info about the marriage of Martha NORTON to Ephraim PAGE, which I will discuss after this introduction. My line of Page descent is from George Page of Branford, Conn. (immigrated from Shorne, Kent, Eng. c. 1662) who I have researched for many years now having first corresponded with Edith Moyer Page (1977 author of "George Page of Branford, Conn. and Some of His Descendants") and Margery Page Vance. I have Margery's Page records which she shared with me several years ago before she died in 1989. [Edith Moyer Page also suspected that Ephraim Page m. Martha NORTON, but didn't write that in her book. She and I discussed the marriage after I provided her with info about the NORTONs and PAGEs in Greene Co., NY.] For about 25 years I have been actively pursuing the English ancestors of the immigrant George Page of Branford, which resulted in a book: "The Descendants of Robart Page of the King's House- The Probable English Origins, Ancestors, and Relatives of George Page of Branford Connecticut and Thomas Page of Saco in the Province of Maine" written and published by me in 1992. Further research resulted in an addendum to this book. Currently I have identified over 4500 Page descendants of George Page of Branford, and more are being identified each day. Descendants of George Page of Branford remain in the New Haven, CT area, but most migrated c. 1790 to Greene Co., NY, thence to Oneida, Madison, Otsego, Chenango, Broome, Livingston, and Yates counties in upstate NY. Further migrations over the years took the Page families to Ohio, Michigan, Missouri, and all points west. Ephraim Page together with his wife and her brother migrated to the area to the west of Greenville, Greene Co., NY. Probably the present-day town of Norton Hill is named after her family. Here are my notes about Martha (Norton) Page: She was the sister of Eli Norton whose name appears near Ephraim Page's name in the Tax List of the Old Town of Coxsackie on 12 June 1787. Coxsackie included what is now the towns of Durham, Greenville, New Baltimore, Athens, and Cairo, in Greene county, New York. Martha, wife of Ephraim Page, together with Sarah, the wife of Daniel Page and Lydia, the wife of Wm. Barker and a few others, signed the Covenant articles for the church in Greenville on Wednesday, May 19, 1790, in the presence of Rev. Berian Hotchkin [p. 7, Records of the Presbyterian Church in the town of Greenville, Greene County, N.Y., transcribed by The New York Genealogical and Biographical Society and edited by Royden Woodward Vosburgh, New York City, 1920, found in the L. H. & G. Room under F129G715G7]. This proves that Martha was still alive in 1790 and still the wife of Ephraim Page. Therefore her husband was probably NOT the Ephraim Page who m. Sally Judd in Branford on 28 October 1784. The William Barker, Jr. was the ancestor of the Barkers of Marshall Twp. near Deansboro for which the Barker Rd. and Barker Road Cem. are named. The family was from North Branford, Conn. (as was the family of Ephraim Page). A William Barker was granted one square mile in the northwest corner of Totoket in March 1687 ["Hist. of North Branford", p. 8]. On May 5, 1811 Martha Page was dismissed from the church at Greenville "to the churches at large", meaning she was still alive and was moving west with her married children [Records, Op. cit. p. 53]. She is possibly buried in an unmarked grave in the little Barker Cem. in Marshall Twp. Oneida Co., or in Madison Co., NY, where her other children lived. Here are my notes about Elon NORTON [Daniel & Sarah (Stone) Norton, Daniel Norton & Sarah (Brasdley) Norton. Elon Norton m.(1) Chloe Page, the daughter of Ephraim and Martha (Norton) Page, probably in Greene or Madison Co., NY. He was named after his uncle., Elon, who was b. about 1739 and d. of dysentery on 30 Sept. 1756. Elon m.(2) Martha Page, sister of Chloe. Martha m.(1) Elon's brother, Isaac Norton, in 1784 probably in Greenville, Greene (Then Albany), NY. Elon was a signer of the petition, as was his brother Isaac. He did not appear in the 1810 census of Greenville. Elon was the builder of the second meeting-house (church) in Greenville in August 1800. I visited the area looking for the graves of PAGEs and NORTONs, but did not find them in the Greenville Cem. across the road from the church (built by Elon Norton, but rebuilt) or the old cemetery in Norton Hill. I do not know exactly where Ephraim Page or the Nortons lived, but it was near Norton Hill and the large estate nearby. Any information you can provide about the NORTONs of Norton Hill, Greene Co., NY, would be appreciated. I do have Martha's ancestry back into England, but NOTHING about her mother except that she was named Bethia. This is surprising after so many years! Thomas Norton probably met her while he was attending Yale in New Haven, from where he graduated with an A.B. degree 1723. Do you have a more current e-mail address for Bob Norton who was at the University of New Mexico? George W. Page Col., US Army (Ret.) 1100 Cataway Place Bryans Road, MD 20616 At 09:32 PM 3/20/2002 -0700, you wrote: >Dear Mr. Page, > >The information in your posting was intriguing. In sources I've seen, the >wife of Ephraim Page is listed as "Martha Unknown." I'm curious what your >source is for this information, if it's other than Connecticut Families >that you cite. I'm not familiar with this book, so perhaps you could give >me an author, or date or place of publication. > >The Thomas Norton you cite as Martha's father was born Oct 1, 1704, and was >the son of Thomas Norton (b. Mar. 4, 1675) and Rachel Starr. This Thomas >was the son of John Norton and Hannah Stone, and Rachel was the daughter of >Comfort Starr and Marah Weld, and was the granddaughter of Dr. Thomas >Starr, and the ggranddaughter of Comfort Starr who was one of the founders >of Harvard University. > >I'd be happy to provide sources for this information if you wish. And I'd >be most appreciative if you could provide your source for the wife of >Ephraim Page being Martha Norton. > >Looking forward to hearing from you, > >Mark Norton > > > >My direct descent from a Norton was through the marriage about 1750 of > > Martha NORTON, b.c. 1732 in Guilford(?), to Ephraim PAGE. > >She was the > > daughter of Thomas NORTON, b. 1 Oct. 1704 in Guilford and > >his wife, Bethia > > UNK. He attended Yale A.B. degree 1723 and lived in > >Guilford, CT. [See > > Conn. Families Vol. II, p. 667.]

Hello Folks, I'm new to this list; but have several ties to the NORTONs of Guilford, New Haven Co., CT. I'm seeking info about the subject people and their ancestors, with little info to offer. Their daughter, Emma Norton, b. 19 May 1874, came from Guildford, New Haven Co., CT. She is no doubt descended from the Nortons of Guilford. Her father, Philo Norton, lived in Madison, Conn. Her mother died quite young and Emma lived with relatives in Stony Creek near Branford, CT, where she grew up and m.Harry William Page in June 1897. My direct descent from a Norton was through the marriage about 1750 of Martha NORTON, b.c. 1732 in Guilford(?), to Ephraim PAGE. She was the daughter of Thomas NORTON, b. 1 Oct. 1704 in Guilford and his wife, Bethia UNK. He attended Yale A.B. degree 1723 and lived in Guilford, CT. [See Conn. Families Vol. II, p. 667.] Her brother was Elijah "Eli" Norton. Eli was on the 1787 Tax List of Old Coxsockie, NY but did not sign the Petition of March 18, 1792, Protesting the Validy of the Prevost and Seaton Patents. Coxsackie included what is now the towns of Durham, Greenville, New Baltimore, Athens, and Cairo, in Greene county, New York. I would appreciate any specific info about Martha's birth or marriage, or her parents.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Obituary Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/Qi3.2ACIB/1686 Message Board Post: The following obit originated with the Concord Monitor, in Concord, N.H. The Monitor does not guarantee the accuracy of original content that now resides off its web site. Roberta B. Norton Sunday, March 17, 2002 Roberta "Bobbie" B. Norton, 67, of Crestwood Drive died Friday at her home. She was born in Standish, Maine, and raised in Gorham, Maine. She graduated from Gorham High School in 1951 before moving to Pembroke. She was a member of the VFW Post 1631. She is survived by a son, Robert Norton of North Attleboro, Mass., a daughter, Carla Riester of Essex Junction, Vt.; a brother, Carl Burnham; and a companion, Robert Newton of Concord. Her husband, Carl Norton, died in 1981. Calling hours will be held tomorrow from 4 to 8 p.m. at the Waters Funeral Home, 50 S. Main St., Concord, and Wednesday from 10 a.m. to noon at the Dolby and Dorr Funeral Home, 73 State St. in Gorham, Maine. Funeral services will follow at noon. Burial will be held in the spring at the Dow Corner Cemetery in Standish, Maine. In lieu of flowers, memorial donations may be made to the American Diabetes Association, New Hampshire Memorial Processing Center, P.O. Box 31160, Hartford, Conn. 06150-1160. Note: I am of no relation, but my sympathies go out to those of you who are.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Norton Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/Qi3.2ACIB/1685 Message Board Post: Am looking for information of William Tillet Norton, b. 12/12/1858 in Iredell Co., NC. Parents were James Cambell and Bettie Summers from VA. William married Martha Hays, daughter of Abner Hays and Manerva Harris, in AR. Any help would certainly be appreciated. Thanks, Faye

To the list administrator: Hi, I've been trying to straighten out the multiple email address I've used on the mailing lists and end up with just one -- my current one. However, when I try to unsubscribe, the server is receiving the message from my current email address and telling me I'm not currently subscribed, so it won't unsubscribe me. I can only assume I am still subscribed under a previous address since I continue to receive the daily postings to the list. If you could check for the following email addresses and unsubscribe them for me, I'd appreciate it. I will then re-subscribe with my current one. These are the possible addresses to look for: rmilan@softcom.net tiggerific@softcom.net rmilan@slc.sw.incc.net rmilan@inconnect.com I apologize if this isn't the most correct way to do this. But I found no other instructions or means to achieve this. I would appreciate any assistance you can offer. Thank you! Regi ___________________________________________________________________________ REGI MILAN Orem, Utah rmilan@xmission.com My genealogy can be viewed on Rootsweb.com's World Connect Project at: http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=rmilan "There are only two lasting bequests we can leave our childrenŠ One of these is roots; The other, wings." --Hodding Carter  1907-1972

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Norton Hale Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/Qi3.2ACIB/1684 Message Board Post: Mable Norton was born about 1892 and married Ross Hale in Christian CO MO in 1938. Do you know anything about this family and their descendants? Please contact me if you know anything about them. thanks so much brian in Springfield MO

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Norton, DeForest Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/Qi3.2ACIB/1683 Message Board Post: I am looking for information on Hannah Norton, Rufus Norton, Laura and Franklin Norton who were in the Rufus and Eunice DeForest household in Newtown, Fairfield, Ct. Census for 1850. Hannah was 22, Rufus was 5, and Laura and Franklin age 2. Since the boy was named Rufus, I assume that Hannah Norton is a DeForest, possibly a widow living with her parents with her three children. I also find Franklin again in the 1860 Census, this time in New Haven County, Ct. with his grandparents, Rufus and Eunice DeForest, but not as a Norton this time so it looks like he was adopted by his grandparents. His mother, Hannah is gone as well as his two siblings. If anyone can help me trace this family I would greatly appreciate it!