This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/oR3.2ACEB/207.1.1 Message Board Post: Clyde and Tina; Have been in consultation with Bernard Tompsett on this issue. He has pretty good evidence based on an 1855 Census report for Steubentown, NY. that Vander and Varnum are NOT one and the same. Vander Northrup (33) was married to Sabra Stoddard with one daughter, Sarah Ann in 1855. Varnum Northup was 16, the son of Needham and Mary M. Northup. This would be Needham III, and Amanda (Mary) Rounds, as Clyde suggests. (Note spelling differences) As for Varnum's wife and children, he has other Bible records that show his wife to be Irene Davis. They were married in 1861. Varnum is listed as missing in Civil War; Vander died in prison during Civil War. Rick Northup