Hi I can't find the birth reg in Glendale reg district referred to below (sorry if I have misunderstood), but a birth of a Francis Murray was registered in the Dec quarter of 1838 in the Berwick upon Tweed reg district. This district included Tweedmouth (but not Lowick). Looking at the 1851 and 1861 census images (when Francis was living with his parents), his birthplace is given as Tweedmouth at that time. There were lots of non-conformist congregations in the area, and just over the border in Scotland. I wonder if the Francis Simpson & Catharine Simpson living in the next household in the same building in 1841 are a potential lead, given that Francis is not that common a name up north? Relationships are not given in the 1841 census, and in 1851 Francis Simpson is aged 31, and married to Isabella (his mother in law is Margaret Redpath in 1871), so the Catharine in 1841 may be his sister. Looking for Francis Simpson on www.familysearch.org I found this entry: Catharine Simpson Birth Date: 25 May 1813 Birthplace: WALKERGATE LANE CALVINISTIC BAPTIST,BERWICK UPON TWEED,NORTHUMBERLAND,ENGLAND Father's Name: Francis Simpson Mother's Name: Margt. Simpson In 1851, Thomas & Mary Murray have a daughter named Margaret and a son named Francis. If you get the birth certificate for Francis Murray, it should give you his mother's maiden name. If it is Simpson, then the above info may suggest some avenues to go down. You will be able to order the film with the above birth record for Catharine Simpson to view at a nearby LDS family history centre - see www.familysearch for the film catalogue and addresses of the nearest FHC. Note that Baptists did not/do not practice infant baptism, so you have to hope they kept comprehensive birth records - I understand practice varied. I checked a transcript of Lowick Presbyterian baps and could not see Francis there. A Robert and Elizabeth Murray had a couple of children baptised there in the 1840s but no Francis. Hope some of this helps. Ingrid On 28/04/2013, at 5:26 AM, Kath Liddell wrote: > Eric > > There appears to be only one possible birth registered in the Lowick > area (Glendale) for Francis Murray i.e. b 1838 (DecQ). There is a birth > of Jane Halliday also in the same quarter, although there is another > option in 1845. > > Tracing this family through all the censuses it appears as if the 1881 > and 1891 you mention are out of sync with the others. You will see this > if you track the ages of the children, and then later the widowed Jane > when she is living with son Thomas. It seems that Frank actually has no > idea how old he is, but when the census data are (apparently) recorded > by his parents (1841, 1851, 1861), then his son (1901, 1911), the ages > are more consistent.

Ingrid /Eric My mistake, slip of the pen - you are right, the birth reference of Francis Murray was Berwick district. b Francis Murray - 1838 (Dec) Berwick 25 15 b Jane Halliday - 1838 (Dec) Glendale 25 233 -or- b Jane Halliday - 1846 (Sep) Glendale 25 254 m Francis Murray = Jane Halliday - 1868 (Mar) Glendale 10b 460 There is a baptism in the Lowick Bishop's Transcripts possibly to correspond to Jane's 1838 birth - 21 Oct 1838, parents John and Mary. Kath On 28/04/2013 02:24, Ingrid Clausen wrote: > Hi > > I can't find the birth reg in Glendale reg district referred to below (sorry if I have misunderstood), but a birth of a Francis Murray was registered in the Dec quarter of 1838 in the Berwick upon Tweed reg district. This district included Tweedmouth (but not Lowick). >

Many thanks to all who replied, it's certainly given me a lot to think about. Eric