Thanks Ingrid Another weird thing about it is awful discrepancy in ages on the census records   1871 Lowick Frank Murray, head, married, 34, labourer at limeworks, born at Lowick Jane Murray, wife, married, 34, , born at Lowick Thomas Murray, son, , 11 months, , born at Lowick 1881 Pegswood Frank Murray, head, married, 34, coal miner, born at Lowick Jane Murray, wife, married, 31, , born at Lowick Thomas Murray, son, , 13, scholar , born at Lowick John Murray, son, , 7, scholar, born at Lowick Mary A Murray, daughter, , 4, , born at Bothal 1891 Bothal Frank Murray, head, married, 46, keeper (?), born at Lowick Jane Murray, wife, married, 48, , born at Bowsden John Murray, son, unmarried, 19, coal miner, born at Lowick Mary A Murray, daughter, , 14, , born at Pegswood Mary A Halliday, relative, widow, 70, , Berwick    (I think she is Franks mother-in-law) Either they couldn't count or they had really bad memories. Eric