I suppose the other option is that the body was certified as "Unknown". There were 632 registered deaths At Sea as that in 1899. Presumably, there was no identification, or the body was so badly disfigured as to be unrecognisable. And heaven knows where a body a mile of Northshields would be taken by the tide! David Scott. -----Original Message----- From: Nivard Ovington - Email Address: [email protected] Sent On: 13/03/2013 14:06 Sent To: [email protected] - Email Address: [email protected] Subject: Re: [NMB] Lost at sea 1896-1901 Hi Jenny In the case you cite in 1882 was there a body recovered I ask as I am reliably informed by an ex registrar that if there was no body there would be no death registration or certificate, not a normal anyway, there may be a court document stating presumed death or as a result of an inquest but even then there is no death certificate as such In the case of John LAKE even though there is evidence he was drowned in 1899 there is no death registered in that year for a John LAKE death at sea (or anywhere else for that matter) which is as I would expect Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 13/03/2013 11:21, Jenny De Angelis wrote: > > HI Julia, > > Deaths at sea are not recorded in the normal GRO index of deaths but in the > GRO index of overseas BMD. This index is on the FreeBMD site in amongst the > catergories listed there you will find BMDs at Sea listed. If you find your > man in that index you can order a copy of the certificate in the usual way > from the GRO at their site. > > A death at sea could only be registered provided that there was someone from > the ship who surivived to register the death once the ship reached dry land. > Such BMDs overseas were supposed to be registered with either the Registrar > of shipping or the British Consul at the first port of call that the vessel > called at after the event, where such a registrar or consul was available. > Otherwise the event had to be registered with the Registrar of shipping once > the vessel arrived back in the UK. In the case of a ship being lost with > all hands then there would be no survivors to register the deaths so no > record would be found in the Indexes. > > I see that Nivard has found the newspaper report for you. From that > newspaper report you have the date on which John Lake was lost and that the > other man was rescued, that man, or perhaps someone else in his name, > should have registered the death of John Lake so look on the above website > under the appropriate link and Overseas BMDs for the death. > > My Gt. Grandfather was lost at sea in 1882 3 days after his ship left New > Orleans USA, his death was registered by the master of the vessel back in > Hartlepool once the ship got back from that voyage, I got that death > certificate by searching on the above overseas death index. So you should > find John Lake's death certificate in this way. > > Good luck > Jenny DeAngelis .. Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any reply...... Thank you! The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1430 / Virus Database: 2641/5668 - Release Date: 03/12/13

Absolutely David But clearly there would be no death registration for the John LAKE if it was an unidentified body Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 13/03/2013 14:52, David Scott wrote: > I suppose the other option is that the body was certified as > "Unknown". There were 632 registered deaths At Sea as that in 1899. > Presumably, there was no identification, or the body was so badly > disfigured as to be unrecognisable. And heaven knows where a body a > mile of Northshields would be taken by the tide! > > David Scott. >