One of my husband's gt-grandfathers, John LAKE appears on the 1891 census in North Shields as a fisherman RG 12 4229 18 30 5 Adamsons Buildings John Lake 46 Fisherman born Norfolk, Ingeraham (probably Ingham, near Happisburgh) Elizabeth LAKE 38 Wife born Durham Edwin LAKE 2 Son That he was a fisherman accords with family history stories, which go on to say he was lost at sea. The 1901 census gives: RG 13 4799 17 25 2 Liddell St (4 other families in same house) Lizzie LAKE 39 Widow Charwoman born Tow Law Edward 13 Son North Shields Dorothy A Lake 10 Dau N. S. Sarah LAKE 5 Dau N. S I can find no appropriate death registrations for John on Free BMD: would local papers in the 1895-1900 era be the next port of call to find out what happened? Were such deaths recorded, and if so, where? If anyone recognises this family, I'd be delighted to hear from you: Dorothy Lake married Owen NORTON in 1913 and is the family of direct interest. Edward LAKE married McKIE, Sarah LAKE married ANDERSON in case of any lateral connections. Thanks for any suggestions or sightings. Julia

Hi Julia Your answer perhaps :- Sunderland Daily Echo and Shipping Gazette Saturday 18 February 1899 The Stormy Weather Boat capsized off the Tyne A Fisherman drowned Yesterday morning two North Shields Fishermen, A REED and John LAKE, proceeded to sea in their small boat to haul in their fishing nets. When about a mile from land a heavy squall caught the sail and capsized the boat. REED swam about for nearly half an hour, and was then picked up by the trawler Andrew Bain utterly exhausted. LAKE sank and was drowned. The latter leaves a wife and three children. The likely reason you are unable to find the death registered is two fold, first deaths at sea are registered in a separate index for that purpose, a different index to the GRO transcript on freebmd, but as his body does not appear to have been recovered there would not be a death registered There might be an inquest but I found no mention of one Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 12/03/2013 09:15, Julia Say wrote: > One of my husband's gt-grandfathers, John LAKE appears on the 1891 > census in North Shields as a fisherman > > RG 12 4229 18 30 5 Adamsons Buildings > > John Lake 46 Fisherman born Norfolk, Ingeraham (probably Ingham, near > Happisburgh) > Elizabeth LAKE 38 Wife born Durham > Edwin LAKE 2 Son > > That he was a fisherman accords with family history stories, which go on > to say he was lost at sea. > > The 1901 census gives: > > RG 13 4799 17 25 2 Liddell St (4 other families in same house) > > Lizzie LAKE 39 Widow Charwoman born Tow Law > Edward 13 Son North Shields > Dorothy A Lake 10 Dau N. S. > Sarah LAKE 5 Dau N. S > > I can find no appropriate death registrations for John on Free BMD: > would local papers in the 1895-1900 era be the next port of call to find > out what happened? Were such deaths recorded, and if so, where? > > If anyone recognises this family, I'd be delighted to hear from you: > Dorothy Lake married Owen NORTON in 1913 and is the family of direct > interest. > > Edward LAKE married McKIE, Sarah LAKE married ANDERSON in case of any > lateral connections. > > Thanks for any suggestions or sightings. > > Julia

Given the propensity of mothers of illegitimate children to include the putative father's surname as a middle name I was interested to see the following in the baptisms for Earsdon Fenwick Vickerson Kell son Susana Kell (singlewoman) bap 12 Jun 1824 by Rev Henry Waikman. The date of birth is given but the year difficult to read, probably born 25 Oct 1818?. The Rev. Waikman had been performing baptisms since well before that time. John Heckels

Hi Folks my mum was given her 'real' fathers name as a middle name, she never knew him and to me it seems pointless. It is no good for those of us doing our family tree, there is no way you can contact a family whose deceased relative fits the bill and ask for information about them, so you're stuck. Fran On 18 March 2013 15:06, JohnH <[email protected]> wrote: > Given the propensity of mothers of illegitimate children to include the > putative father's surname as a middle name I was interested to see the > following in the baptisms for Earsdon > > Fenwick Vickerson Kell son Susana Kell (singlewoman) bap 12 Jun 1824 by Rev > Henry Waikman. The date of birth is given but the year difficult to read, > probably born 25 Oct 1818?. The Rev. Waikman had been performing baptisms > since well before that time. > > John Heckels > > .. > Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any > reply...... Thank you! > > The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at > http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Having read over it many times. My opinion of it is theat it is possibly correct of have I misinterpotated the point in question. -----Original Message----- From: JohnH Sent: Monday, March 18, 2013 3:06 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [NMB] Naming the culprit? Given the propensity of mothers of illegitimate children to include the putative father's surname as a middle name I was interested to see the following in the baptisms for Earsdon Fenwick Vickerson Kell son Susana Kell (singlewoman) bap 12 Jun 1824 by Rev Henry Waikman. The date of birth is given but the year difficult to read, probably born 25 Oct 1818?. The Rev. Waikman had been performing baptisms since well before that time. John Heckels .. Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any reply...... Thank you! The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message