William is Edward Grieves DUNN's father. Spouse's Father's Name: John Oliver SPENCE. There was an Edward Grieves Dunn born 1901 [Oct-Nov-Dec] in South Shields, DUR. If you have access to ancestry, EGD left a will proved in 1947, reds: DUNN, Edward Grieves of 105 Cleveland Street, South Shields, died 26 Jan 1947. Probate at Durham 11 March to Edward Grieves DUNN plater and Jane MOFFATT [wife of William Rutter MOFFATT). Effects £2,528 8s 3d. [http://tinyurl.com/qgzrkj2] EGD is listed in 1902 Kelly's Directory at 127 Fort Street, South Shields. [http://tinyurl.com/o3v692l] The 1861 census has the link for where GRIEVES came from: Class: RG 9; Piece: 3794; Folio: 10; Page: 13; GSU roll: 543188 William Dunn 37 b. South Shields; Seaman Jane Dunn 36 b. South Shields Mary Dunn 4 b. South Shields; Scholar Edward Dunn 2 b. South Shields Edward Grieves 46 [Brother-in-law] b. South Shields; Pilot Some caution needed, as an Edward Grieves DUNN married Oct-Nov-Dec 1880 at South Shields; and another recorded in Jan-Feb-Mar 1883 at Tynemouth, Northumberland [this being Jane Ann SPENCE]. This led to his first wife being: Mary Ann RAE, as he was living with his wife's family in 1881c: Class: RG11; Piece: 5020; Folio: 80; Page: 6; GSU roll: 1342209. Elizabeth Atchison Rae 52 Edward Gaines Dunn 22 [Caulker in Ironn Works] Mary Ann Dunn 21 Dorothy Isabella Rae 18 Regards, Fee -----Original Message----- From: Nivard Ovington Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2013 11:28 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [NMB] Jane Ann Spence Hi Ken Going from the 1911 entry showing Janes birthplace as North Shields circa 1861/2 and previous census Plus her marriage England & Wales Marriages, 1538-1940 about Edward Grieves Dunn Name: Edward Grieves Dunn Gender: Male Birth Date: abt 1859 Age: 24 Father's Name: William Dunn Spouse's Name: Jane Ann Spence Spouse's Age: 22 Spouse's Father's Name: John Oliver Spence Marriage Date: 26 Mar 1883 Marriage Place: Tynemouth, Northumberland, England Which gives her father as William it leads us onto :- Marriages Sep 1847 Spence William Tynemouth 25 398 STODDART Sarah Margaret Tynemouth 25 398 ----------------- 1851 England Census about William Spence Name: William Spence Age: 25 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1826 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Sarah M Spence Gender: M (Male) Where born: Northld, Cullercoats Civil Parish: North Shields County/Island: Northumberland Country: England Registration District: Tynemouth Sub-registration District: Wallsend ED, institution, or vessel: 2a Neighbors: View others on page Household Schedule Number: 289 Piece: 2409 Folio: 336 Page Number: 56 Household Members: Name Age William Spence 25 Sarah M Spence 23 John S Spence 2 Mary Spence 1 Mo Catherine Manners 16 Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece: 2409; Folio: 336; Page: 56; GSU roll: 87087. --------------------- 1861 England Census about William Spence Name: William Spence Age: 35 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1826 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Sarah M Spence Gender: Male Where born: Cullercoates, Northumberland, England Civil Parish: North Shields Town: North Shields County/Island: Northumberland Country: England Registration District: Tynemouth Sub-registration District: North Shields ED, institution, or vessel: 6 Neighbors: View others on page Household Schedule Number: 158 Piece: 3837 Folio: 37 Page Number: 28 Household Members: Name Age William Spence 35 Sarah M Spence 34 Mary Spence 10 Elizabeth Spence 8 William Spence 6 Sarah M Spence 4 Rebecca Spence 1 Susannah Ingers 17 Mary Ann Scott 17 Source Citation: Class: RG 9; Piece: 3837; Folio: 37; Page: 28; GSU roll: 543193. ----------------- The most likely birth is :- Births Mar 1862 SPENCE Jane Ann Tynemouth 10b 137 Obtaining the above would be the safest way of confirming the mothers name ---------------------- 1871 England Census about William Spence Name: William Spence Age: 45 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1826 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Sarah M Spence Gender: Male Where born: Northnd, Cullercoates Civil Parish: Chirton Ecclesiastical parish: Western Town Town: North Shields County/Island: Northumberland Country: England Registration District: Tynemouth Sub-registration District: North Shields ED, institution, or vessel: 8 Household Schedule Number: 381 Piece: 5114 Folio: 36 Page Number: 68 Household Members: Name Age William Spence 45 Sarah M Spence 43 Elizabeth Spence 18 William Spence 16 Sarah M Spence 14 Rebecca Spence 11 Jane A Spence 9 Robert H Spence 6 Amy C Spence 3 Florence Spence 9 Months Sarah Dixon 16 Elizabeth Hume 16 Source Citation: Class: RG10; Piece: 5114; Folio: 36; Page: 68; GSU roll: 847394. --------------- Sarah dies before 1881 where William is a widower Perhaps this is her death reg Deaths Jun 1879 Spence Sarah Margaret 52 Tynemouth 10b 121 ---------------- 1881 England Census about William Spence Name: William Spence Age: 55 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1826 Relation: Head Gender: Male Where born: Cullercoats, Northumberland, England Civil Parish: Tynemouth County/Island: Northumberland Country: England Street Address: 29 Northumberland Sq Condition as to marriage: Married Education: Occupation: Grocer Registration District: Tynemouth Sub-registration District: Tynemouth ED, institution, or vessel: 4 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 5080 Folio: 4 Page Number: 2 Household Members: Name Age William Spence 55 Elizabeth Spence 28 William Spence 26 Sarah M. Bell 24 Rebecca Spence 21 Jane A. Spence 19 Robert H. Spence 16 Florence E. Spence 10 Joseph H. Bell 2 Eliza Morgan 20 Source Citation: Class: RG11; Piece: 5080; Folio: 4; Page: 2; GSU roll: 1342227. --------------------- William then remarried a Barbara possibly this one Marriages Sep 1882 HACKWORTH Barbara Sarah Newcastle T. 10b 49 Searby Annie Morres Newcastle T. 10b 49 Smith John Cecil Newcastle T. 10b 49 Spence William Newcastle T 10b 49 ---------------------- 1891 England Census about William Spence Name: William Spence Age: 65 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1826 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Barbara S Spence Gender: Male Where born: Cullercoates, Northumberland, England Civil Parish: Tynemouth Ecclesiastical parish: Tynemouth Town: North Shields County/Island: Northumberland Country: England Registration District: Tynemouth Sub-registration District: Tynemouth ED, institution, or vessel: 4 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 4227 Folio: 128 Page Number: 45 Household Members: Name Age William Spence 65 Barbara S Spence 64 Elizabeth Spence 38 William Spence 36 Rebecca Spence 30 Jane A Spence 28 Robert H Spence 26 Amy C Spence 23 Ellen Johnson 19 Source Citation: Class: RG12; Piece: 4227; Folio: 128; Page: 45; GSU Roll: 6099337. ----------------- Probate Calendars 1899 (Ancestry) SPENCE William of 29 Northumberland square North Shields grocer and provision merchant died 22 May 1899 Probate Newcastle upon Tyne 28 Aug to William Spence grocer Effects £1919 15s 5d ----------------- Barbara Sarah is still around in 1911 at 5 Larkspur terrace and appears to pass away in 1916 Probate Calendars 1918 (Ancestry) SPENCE Barbara Sarah of 5 Larkspur terrace Newcastle upon Tyne widow died 6th April 1916 Administration (with will) Newcastle upon Tyne 4 Nov to Charles Ernest Wilson railway official Effects £45 ---------------- Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 26/05/2013 09:23, Ken Stanger wrote: > > > > Many thanks to all those who helped me with Jane Ann Spence. especially > Fiona and Graham. > > I found out from poor old Sheila today that her grandmother died in the > early 1930's in South Shields. > > I did find a free bmd death for a Jane A. Dunn MAR 1933 age 69 S. > Shields > 10a 1015. > > If this is her ? , she would have been born about 1864 > > I hope this could be her because she did marry an Edward Grieves Dunn MAR > 1883 Tynemouth. EXCEPT she would have born about 1861 > > ancestry have Edward Grieves Dunn 24 father William ..married Jane Ann > Spence 22 father John Oliver Spence > 26 March 1883 Tynemouth > > Can anyone help further. > > Sheila is really trying find out Jane Ann Spence mothers name. and as you > all know there are so many Spence in that area. > > Thanks for all your help > > > Ken Stanger .. Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any reply...... Thank you! The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message