I've found a reference via the New York Passenger Lists, that my maternal great-uncle Daniel Cairns (b.1883), possibly travelled there from Liverpool on 28th June 1913 on the SS Campagnia, Cunard Line, arrival 5th July. However, he is not listed on the UK Outward Passenger Lists, which does contain records for this sailing, The New York listing has a ruled strike-through against his entire entry. Given that he's almost certainly the Daniel Cairns who's death at 48 is listed in Gateshead 1931, I'm wondering if he did indeed set sail - although I appreciate he may have returned home at a later date. I wondering if anyone shed any light on why there might be a ruled line through his entry, there one other example of this for another passenger on the same page. Has anyone encountered this searching similar records for their ancestors? Given the lack of outward list record, is it possible he booked but never got there? If so, I'm left puzzling as to why he was recorded on the destination side if so. Thanking you Maureen Davison

I meant to say '*not *recorded on the destination side.' Maureen Davison On 12 May 2013 10:03, Maureen Davison <[email protected]> wrote: > I've found a reference via the New York Passenger Lists, that my maternal > great-uncle Daniel Cairns (b.1883), possibly travelled there from Liverpool > on 28th June 1913 on the SS Campagnia, Cunard Line, arrival 5th July. > > However, he is not listed on the UK Outward Passenger Lists, which does > contain records for this sailing, The New York listing has a ruled > strike-through against his entire entry. > > Given that he's almost certainly the Daniel Cairns who's death at 48 is > listed in Gateshead 1931, I'm wondering if he did indeed set sail - > although I appreciate he may have returned home at a later date. > > I wondering if anyone shed any light on why there might be a ruled > line through his entry, there one other example of this for another > passenger on the same page. Has anyone encountered this searching similar > records for their ancestors? Given the lack of outward list record, is > it possible he booked but never got there? If so, I'm left puzzling as to > why he was recorded on the destination side if so. > > Thanking you > > Maureen Davison >

Maureen Davison <[email protected]> wrote: >I wondering if anyone shed any light on why there might be a ruled >line through his entry, there one other example of this for another >passenger on the same page. Has anyone encountered this searching >similar records for their ancestors? Given the lack of outward list >record, is it possible he booked but never got there? If so, I'm left >puzzling as to why he was recorded on the destination side if so. Maureen Your query doesn't relate to the list area so isn't really appropriate here. Perhaps you should consider posting to TheShipsList which deals with emigration, immigration, passenger lists, border records etc. For information on TheShipsList see http://goo.gl/PY0rn Brian -- Brian Pears (Joint List Admin - NORTHUMBRIA Mailing List)

Hi Maureen Crossing through usually means they booked but did not sail The passenger lists were not made up from individual informants but from other booking or manifest lists So for some reason, ill health (he or another family member perhaps) or some other reason he didn't sail Are you sure its him? does the address 26 Bronte Street mean anything to you? the occupation does tally with the 1911 occupation A family named PARR were there in 1911 NB it does help to say how you found him recorded which is as below, the ship is the *Campania* New York, Passenger Lists, 1820-1957 about Daniel Carns Name: Daniel Carns Arrival Date: 5 Jul 1913 Birth Date: abt 1884 Birth Location: England Birth Location Other: gatestead Age: 29 Gender: Male Ethnicity/ Nationality: English Port of Departure: Liverpool, England Port of Arrival: New York, New York Ship Name: Campania Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 12/05/2013 10:03, Maureen Davison wrote: > I've found a reference via the New York Passenger Lists, that my maternal > great-uncle Daniel Cairns (b.1883), possibly travelled there from Liverpool > on 28th June 1913 on the SS Campagnia, Cunard Line, arrival 5th July. > > However, he is not listed on the UK Outward Passenger Lists, which does > contain records for this sailing, The New York listing has a ruled > strike-through against his entire entry. > > Given that he's almost certainly the Daniel Cairns who's death at 48 is > listed in Gateshead 1931, I'm wondering if he did indeed set sail - > although I appreciate he may have returned home at a later date. > > I wondering if anyone shed any light on why there might be a ruled > line through his entry, there one other example of this for another > passenger on the same page. Has anyone encountered this searching similar > records for their ancestors? Given the lack of outward list record, is > it possible he booked but never got there? If so, I'm left puzzling as to > why he was recorded on the destination side if so. > > Thanking you > > Maureen Davison

I had a similar case with some of my ancestors - they were listed on a manifest from Liverpool to New York but crossed out. I found them sailing a week later but don't know why they did not go on the earlier ship. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Maureen Davison Sent: 12 May 2013 10:04 To: [email protected] Subject: [NMB] Cairns of Gateshead - SS Campagnia Passenger List Query I've found a reference via the New York Passenger Lists, that my maternal great-uncle Daniel Cairns (b.1883), possibly travelled there from Liverpool on 28th June 1913 on the SS Campagnia, Cunard Line, arrival 5th July. However, he is not listed on the UK Outward Passenger Lists, which does contain records for this sailing, The New York listing has a ruled strike-through against his entire entry. Given that he's almost certainly the Daniel Cairns who's death at 48 is listed in Gateshead 1931, I'm wondering if he did indeed set sail - although I appreciate he may have returned home at a later date. I wondering if anyone shed any light on why there might be a ruled line through his entry, there one other example of this for another passenger on the same page. Has anyone encountered this searching similar records for their ancestors? Given the lack of outward list record, is it possible he booked but never got there? If so, I'm left puzzling as to why he was recorded on the destination side if so. Thanking you Maureen Davison .. Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any reply...... Thank you! The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thank you Russell Wear, Brian Pears, Nivard Ovington and Christina Salisbury for your information. Yes, I am sure it my great uncle Daniel Cairns, as he has the same address as that listed on my grandmother's marriage certificate in 1915. As you can gather, I'm a newbie to all this, so the information you've supplied for the correct lists to search and list query protocol are very helpful. Judging from your information, it seems very likely for whatever reason, Daniel Cairns never reached New York, especially given his death in Gateshead in 1931. Unfortunately, he never married, so no decendants to trace to possibly discover what did happen. Thanks again respondents for your help. Maureen Davison