Many thanks to all those who helped me with Jane Ann Spence. especially Fiona and Graham. I found out from poor old Sheila today that her grandmother died in the early 1930's in South Shields. I did find a free bmd death for a Jane A. Dunn MAR 1933 age 69 S. Shields 10a 1015. If this is her ? , she would have been born about 1864 I hope this could be her because she did marry an Edward Grieves Dunn MAR 1883 Tynemouth. EXCEPT she would have born about 1861 ancestry have Edward Grieves Dunn 24 father William ..married Jane Ann Spence 22 father John Oliver Spence 26 March 1883 Tynemouth Can anyone help further. Sheila is really trying find out Jane Ann Spence mothers name. and as you all know there are so many Spence in that area. Thanks for all your help Ken Stanger 1. Spence North Shields (Ken Stanger) 2. Re: Spence North Shields (Fiona J Mitford) 3. Spence North Shields (Graham & Christine Fairless) --------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sat, 25 May 2013 06:57:18 +1000 From: "Ken Stanger" <[email protected]> Subject: [NMB] Spence North Shields To: <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hi, I'm trying to help a lady find her Gt. grandmother. She was Jane Ann Spence born about 1860/1861 North Shields daughter of John and Elizabeth Spence. We're trying to find the mothers ( Elizabeth ) maiden name when she married John. We found her father was John Oliver Spence. Can anyone help us find the wife Elizabeth Spence maiden name. Many thanks if anyone can help Regards Ken Stanger > ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Sat, 25 May 2013 00:59:34 +0100 From: "Fiona J Mitford" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [NMB] Spence North Shields To: <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Hi Ken It's a pity he hadn't used his middle name when marrying ... there's a lot to find about him, however, presuming the marriage was in Northumberland, these are the possibles during 1852-1861: John Spence Jul-Aug-Sep 1843 Tynemouth Northumberland m. Elizabeth BARKER or Elizabeth Esther GRIGS John Spence Jul-Aug-Sep 1852 Tynemouth Northumberland m. Elizabeth DIXON John Spence Jul-Aug-Sep 1854 Tynemouth Northumberland m. Elizabeth ORAM or Elizabeth Baily MOOR John Spence Jan-Feb-Mar 1855 Tynemouth Northumberland m. Elizabeth CHARLTON John Spence Jan-Feb-Mar 1861 Tynemouth Northumberland m. Elizabeth Ann MELVILLE He appears to have been born in 1837? If so, he may have married before he was 21. You will need to check the 'Elizabeths' against the censuses and also against family search to try to eliminate them by YoB, PoB etc. Also check each of the children's' birth entries, are there any surnames used as middle names? Thomas b. 4 Dec 1856 [see https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/J3P3-862] seems to be the oldest [per the 1861 census] ... so it is likely to have been earlier than then. Regards, Fee

Hi Ken Going from the 1911 entry showing Janes birthplace as North Shields circa 1861/2 and previous census Plus her marriage England & Wales Marriages, 1538-1940 about Edward Grieves Dunn Name: Edward Grieves Dunn Gender: Male Birth Date: abt 1859 Age: 24 Father's Name: William Dunn Spouse's Name: Jane Ann Spence Spouse's Age: 22 Spouse's Father's Name: John Oliver Spence Marriage Date: 26 Mar 1883 Marriage Place: Tynemouth, Northumberland, England Which gives her father as William it leads us onto :- Marriages Sep 1847 Spence William Tynemouth 25 398 STODDART Sarah Margaret Tynemouth 25 398 ----------------- 1851 England Census about William Spence Name: William Spence Age: 25 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1826 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Sarah M Spence Gender: M (Male) Where born: Northld, Cullercoats Civil Parish: North Shields County/Island: Northumberland Country: England Registration District: Tynemouth Sub-registration District: Wallsend ED, institution, or vessel: 2a Neighbors: View others on page Household Schedule Number: 289 Piece: 2409 Folio: 336 Page Number: 56 Household Members: Name Age William Spence 25 Sarah M Spence 23 John S Spence 2 Mary Spence 1 Mo Catherine Manners 16 Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece: 2409; Folio: 336; Page: 56; GSU roll: 87087. --------------------- 1861 England Census about William Spence Name: William Spence Age: 35 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1826 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Sarah M Spence Gender: Male Where born: Cullercoates, Northumberland, England Civil Parish: North Shields Town: North Shields County/Island: Northumberland Country: England Registration District: Tynemouth Sub-registration District: North Shields ED, institution, or vessel: 6 Neighbors: View others on page Household Schedule Number: 158 Piece: 3837 Folio: 37 Page Number: 28 Household Members: Name Age William Spence 35 Sarah M Spence 34 Mary Spence 10 Elizabeth Spence 8 William Spence 6 Sarah M Spence 4 Rebecca Spence 1 Susannah Ingers 17 Mary Ann Scott 17 Source Citation: Class: RG 9; Piece: 3837; Folio: 37; Page: 28; GSU roll: 543193. ----------------- The most likely birth is :- Births Mar 1862 SPENCE Jane Ann Tynemouth 10b 137 Obtaining the above would be the safest way of confirming the mothers name ---------------------- 1871 England Census about William Spence Name: William Spence Age: 45 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1826 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Sarah M Spence Gender: Male Where born: Northnd, Cullercoates Civil Parish: Chirton Ecclesiastical parish: Western Town Town: North Shields County/Island: Northumberland Country: England Registration District: Tynemouth Sub-registration District: North Shields ED, institution, or vessel: 8 Household Schedule Number: 381 Piece: 5114 Folio: 36 Page Number: 68 Household Members: Name Age William Spence 45 Sarah M Spence 43 Elizabeth Spence 18 William Spence 16 Sarah M Spence 14 Rebecca Spence 11 Jane A Spence 9 Robert H Spence 6 Amy C Spence 3 Florence Spence 9 Months Sarah Dixon 16 Elizabeth Hume 16 Source Citation: Class: RG10; Piece: 5114; Folio: 36; Page: 68; GSU roll: 847394. --------------- Sarah dies before 1881 where William is a widower Perhaps this is her death reg Deaths Jun 1879 Spence Sarah Margaret 52 Tynemouth 10b 121 ---------------- 1881 England Census about William Spence Name: William Spence Age: 55 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1826 Relation: Head Gender: Male Where born: Cullercoats, Northumberland, England Civil Parish: Tynemouth County/Island: Northumberland Country: England Street Address: 29 Northumberland Sq Condition as to marriage: Married Education: Occupation: Grocer Registration District: Tynemouth Sub-registration District: Tynemouth ED, institution, or vessel: 4 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 5080 Folio: 4 Page Number: 2 Household Members: Name Age William Spence 55 Elizabeth Spence 28 William Spence 26 Sarah M. Bell 24 Rebecca Spence 21 Jane A. Spence 19 Robert H. Spence 16 Florence E. Spence 10 Joseph H. Bell 2 Eliza Morgan 20 Source Citation: Class: RG11; Piece: 5080; Folio: 4; Page: 2; GSU roll: 1342227. --------------------- William then remarried a Barbara possibly this one Marriages Sep 1882 HACKWORTH Barbara Sarah Newcastle T. 10b 49 Searby Annie Morres Newcastle T. 10b 49 Smith John Cecil Newcastle T. 10b 49 Spence William Newcastle T 10b 49 ---------------------- 1891 England Census about William Spence Name: William Spence Age: 65 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1826 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Barbara S Spence Gender: Male Where born: Cullercoates, Northumberland, England Civil Parish: Tynemouth Ecclesiastical parish: Tynemouth Town: North Shields County/Island: Northumberland Country: England Registration District: Tynemouth Sub-registration District: Tynemouth ED, institution, or vessel: 4 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 4227 Folio: 128 Page Number: 45 Household Members: Name Age William Spence 65 Barbara S Spence 64 Elizabeth Spence 38 William Spence 36 Rebecca Spence 30 Jane A Spence 28 Robert H Spence 26 Amy C Spence 23 Ellen Johnson 19 Source Citation: Class: RG12; Piece: 4227; Folio: 128; Page: 45; GSU Roll: 6099337. ----------------- Probate Calendars 1899 (Ancestry) SPENCE William of 29 Northumberland square North Shields grocer and provision merchant died 22 May 1899 Probate Newcastle upon Tyne 28 Aug to William Spence grocer Effects £1919 15s 5d ----------------- Barbara Sarah is still around in 1911 at 5 Larkspur terrace and appears to pass away in 1916 Probate Calendars 1918 (Ancestry) SPENCE Barbara Sarah of 5 Larkspur terrace Newcastle upon Tyne widow died 6th April 1916 Administration (with will) Newcastle upon Tyne 4 Nov to Charles Ernest Wilson railway official Effects £45 ---------------- Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 26/05/2013 09:23, Ken Stanger wrote: > > > > Many thanks to all those who helped me with Jane Ann Spence. especially > Fiona and Graham. > > I found out from poor old Sheila today that her grandmother died in the > early 1930's in South Shields. > > I did find a free bmd death for a Jane A. Dunn MAR 1933 age 69 S. Shields > 10a 1015. > > If this is her ? , she would have been born about 1864 > > I hope this could be her because she did marry an Edward Grieves Dunn MAR > 1883 Tynemouth. EXCEPT she would have born about 1861 > > ancestry have Edward Grieves Dunn 24 father William ..married Jane Ann > Spence 22 father John Oliver Spence > 26 March 1883 Tynemouth > > Can anyone help further. > > Sheila is really trying find out Jane Ann Spence mothers name. and as you > all know there are so many Spence in that area. > > Thanks for all your help > > > Ken Stanger