Ingrid & Linda, I have noted your mention of Temple's in the email exchange and I have researched the Temple's mentioned some years ago. Ref. the 1851 census, HO/1417, Folio 83 page 13, sch. 43, Thomas Temple, aged 74, was the son of James Temple & Mary Scott of Elsdon, Thomas's first wife being Elizabeth Dagg. Elizabeth died in 1835 and Thomas Temple aged 61, coal miner of Brownrigg pit house, remarried to Ann Familton, a widow of Dunns Houses, at St. Cuthbert's Elsdon 19 May 1838. The 1851 census records at Brownrigg Pit House, Elsdon parish, Thomas Temple, his wife Ann, a step daughter Mary Ann Carnagie, unmarried, age 38, an Ag. Lab. and Ann Temple Carnagie,, grand daughter aged 3. The 1851 census at Elisham Gate, Elsdon parish, HO 107/2417 Folio 83, page 12, sch. 44, also recorded a Henry Temple, age 43 , a coal miner. Henry was the son of Thomas Temple and Elizabeth Dagg, and he married Hannah Edington of North Chatton 18 March 1837. The 1851 census records Henry Temple age 43, coal miner, Hannah, age 43 Elizabeth, daughter, age, 7, b. at Trimdon, Durham. Jane Lunn, age 66, Aunt, a pauper and a soldiers widow, born Northumberland. I have yet to figure out how Henry Temple had an aunt named Jane Lunn, as the only "Jane", a daughter of Thomas Temple & Elizabeth Dagg, did not marry a Lunn. Unless the Lunn connection is on the Dagg side of the marriage, and I have not researched that line. Mike Temple. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ingrid Clausen" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2013 12:04 AM Subject: Re: [NMB] CARNAGEY/LUNN > Hi > > There is a brief item in the Newcastle Courant 14 Feb 1844 noting the > committal for trial of Jane & Walter Lunn of Otterburn - Walter charged > with stealing a box containing hardware and jewellery belonging to Fran. > McDermott, a hawker, & Jane charged with receiving. The details of the > sentence are reported on 1 March 1844. > > I can see a James & Jane Lunn in Otterburn in the 1841 census, with a > Carnegy child in the household. James is a weaver born in Scotland. Is the > Walter Lunn in Earsdon your family member? Have you confirmed the > relationship between Walter and Jane? And Walter and James? Have you > Walter's baptism or his marriage? If you track any children James and Jane > have had, then these may provide clues to help you move backwards. I am > not sure how much info you have about this later generation? > > In 1851, there are 2 widowed Jane Lunns in the area of the right age. One > is in Otterburn village, as is consistent with the earlier & later census > entries. This Jane is living next to John & Isabella Young as per 1841. > > The other is in Troughend (HO107/2417 folio 83 p13). This Troughend Jane > Lunn is described as the aunt of Henry Temple who is aged 43. This Jane > Lunn is a pauper and a soldier's widow. The household above is headed by > another Henry Temple, with a 64 year old wife Ann and a Carnegie > stepdaughter and 2 year old grandaughter Ann Temple Carnegie. I can't see > this Troughend Jane in 1841 or after 1851. I see from FreeBMD that a Jane > Lunn's death is registered in June Q 1853, Bellingham reg district. Have > you disentangled these entries? > > I have seen a number of posts from a lister undertaking research on his > Temple family in this area, and perhaps he may be able to help with the > Temple households. You could also check the archives for this list. > > I agree with the comments that you need to search non-conformist records. > I have checked a transcript of Harbottle Presbyterian Chapel baps (because > I have it, not because it is the most likely :). There is a James Lunn, > son of John and Mary Lunn, Harbottle, born 28 June 1791 & baptised 10 July > 1791. People could easily be born in one country but baptised in another, > however in this case the short period between birth and baptism seems to > suggest that this is unlikely. The age is not a great fit either. > > Here is a link to the Bishop's Transcripts mentioned by Geoff. They need > to be viewed as you would a film - they have not been indexed. I can't see > Elsdon in the BTs, but Chollerton and some nearby parishes are there. > These are just C of E records and all have gaps, but even if you find only > burials these can be very helpful. > > https://www.familysearch.org/search/collection/1309819 > > Here is a link to an on-line version of Elsdon parish registers 1672 - > 1812: > > http://archive.org/stream/registersbaptis00goog/registersbaptis00goog_djvu.txt > > www.freereg.org.uk seems to have at least begun the process of > transcribing Chollerton parish baptisms. > > To access the non-con records mentioned by Geoff, if you do not live > locally you could see what is available through the LDS film catalogue and > order films to view at your nearest family history centre. See > www.familysearch.org > > Hope there is something useful here. > > Ingrid > > On 6/05/2013, at 10:29 PM, Linda Shaw wrote: > >> Hi all >> >> Trying to find info on Jane Carnagey born 1785, possibly in Chollerton, >> married James Lunn in 1819 in Elsdon. Recorded on census as living in >> Otterburn. Son Walter Lunn born 1823. >> >> Walter & Jane were convicted in 1844. Walter got 6 months for larceny and >> Jane 1 month for receiving stolen goods. >> >> Trying to find her parents but have hit a brick wall. >> >> Thank you >> Linda Shaw >> .. >> Please remember to snip most of the earlier message before you post any >> reply...... 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