Pat and geoff. Thank You especially for added information on De PErcy. and sourcon the Earl of Northumeberland. My Trail I follow is the DNA and History of Vikings of Northumberia to gather all information we can on 1400 era Jonson-Johnstone and its spellings. Our Trail of WHite Oak DNA Johnson takes us to several Families of Northumerbland, Sir John Johnson of Yorkshire and to Sir THomas Johnson of Northumebrland, Wales, Yorkshire and Ruskington Lincolnshire. (The THorpes aka Village of VIkings) Sit THomas Johnson His COusin IS William SKeryemesher who is off the Lines of SKerymesher and De Percey, WIlliam SKermesher cousin of Sir THomas Johnson is married to ELzabeth MIddleton off Nicholas Middleton. THese Midldeton and De Percey will be further be involved in lands in COlonial Virgina as the SHirley Huundred Settlement in 1610 and the Tappahanna Land settlements of COlonial Virginia UNder Eleanor Percy their familes of Lord Dela War West The SKermesher and Talbot familes of HEnrey De Percy takes us to the THorpe of what will becomes Johnson Hall. and THe De Johnstone- De Johnandson familes there. Married 01-1492 Henry WIDDRINGTON, born 1470, died on 26-08-1518. Married 01-1492 in Gawthorpe to Margaret (Marjory Percy; Margery Widdrington Margery Percy) PERCY (see also XXIX.185). From this marriage: 6 children (see under XXIX.185). http://vdbrempt.be/genealogie/parentelen/nkdg_dd/nkdg_dd-0013.htm Researchers Notes: Check relationship to Earl of Northumberland De Percy Thomas WIDDRINGTON, born circa 1440. Married. From this marriage: 1. Alice WIDDRINGTON (see also XXVIII.162). XXVIII. Alice WIDDRINGTON, born circa 1460. Married. From this marriage: 1. Thomas (Scrimshire) SKRYMSHER, born 1482, died on 12-09-1551 in Norbury, buried 1523. 2. William SKRYMSHER, born circa 1488. http://vdbrempt.be/genealogie/parentelen/nkdg_dd/nkdg_dd-0013.htm On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 2:04 AM, Pat Pierpoint via wrote: > Geoff - Thank you for the "plug", but, sadly, the Clan > Johnston/Johnstone > Association (UK) has had to be wound up, along with its website. Its > demise > was due in part to the poor health of the Clan Commissioner who ran > it, but > mainly to falling membership numbers. As far as I know, the sister > associations in the USA, Australia and New Zealand are still > operational. > The American association especially does have a very informative > website > www.clanjohnstone.org. > > Tony - I am aware that this list covers the counties of Northumberland > and > Durham, and that that is the particular area you are interested in, > but the > further back you get you may well find that the people with the > earliest > examples of the name Johnson, Johnston or Johnstone originally came > from > just over the border in southern Scotland. The Johnstone Clan has its > roots > in the Anglo-Scottish borders region, notably in Annandale in the > county of > Dumfriesshire. In 1124, King David I of Scotland granted to the first > Robert de Bruce, a Norman, the Lordship of Annandale and 200,000 > acres. It > was Bruce's descendant, the eighth Robert de Bruce, who was destined > to lead > the Scots in their heroic fight for independence from England. The de > Bruce > family was to play a pivotal role in the identification and > development of > the Johnstones, the two families becoming close allies over the years. > Five > hundred years after the title of the Lordship of Annandale had been > granted > to the De Bruce family, King Charles II was to grant it to Lord James > Johnstone, the Chief of the Johnstone Clan. > > Anyone who knows anything about the history of the Border Reivers will > know > that, roughly between 1300 and 1600, the Johnstones were heavily > involved in > this lifestyle. They were certainly at "deadly feud" with the > Maxwells > throughout most of the 16th century. I notice that the documents that > Tony > quotes from are dated during the 1400s. The Johnstones actually rose > to > prominence in the mid-1400s, so I doubt if there will be very much > information on the name before that. > In any case it was not customary before the Normans arrived in these > islands > in the 11th century for people to have surnames. A man was normally > only > known by his Christian name, e.g. John, David, etc. If we remember > also that > a man would be known by the name other people gave him (i.e. not one > he had > invented himself), it is easy to understand how the man's son would be > named > by reference to his father, e.g. John's son, David's son, giving us > the > origin of the names Johnson and Davidson. So, on this basis, the > originator > of the clan was just called "John". I can do no better than quote > from > Russell C Honey on the subject of the origin of the name:- > > "One of the Norman Lords arriving in Scotland in the 1100s was a man > named > "John". At that time surnames were not being used. They did not appear > until > 1,000 AD. The first people in Scotland to acquire surnames were the > Norman > nobles, who came from France with William the Conqueror and were of > Viking > ancestry. The "John" mentioned, had lands granted to him by the Bruce > family. Documents show the name as simply "John", that being the only > name > he had. Those lands became known as "Johnstun" or "John's town". > "Tun" from > the Celtic language translates to "town" or "lands". His son Gilbert > was to > first use the surname Johnstun in the period from 1170 - 1194. > Gilbert was > the first member of the family of Johnstone who took the surname, > derived > from the lands called after his father John." > I apologise to Brian for taking this discussion out of the realms of > Northumberland and Durham, but since Tony wishes to go further back > with > this particular name I thought it best to point out that its origins > are > outside this area. > > Cheers > > Pat Pierpoint > ex-Secretary and Genealogy Officer > Clan Johnston/Johnstone Association (UK) > > > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: northumbria-bounces@rootsweb.com >> [mailto:northumbria-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Geoff >> Nicholson via >> Sent: 03 March 2015 18:53 >> To: tonyemprieore@charter.net; northumbria@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [NMB] Jonson-Johnson-JOhnstoe etc >> >> >> >> You might also try contacting, if you haven't done so already, >> the Clan Johnson Association. If you don't have their details you >> could try Googling for them. Don't be put off by the word "Clan" - >> they cover all Johns(t)on(e)s anywhere, especially those who >> originated on either side of the Scottish Border. >> >> Geoff Nicholson >> > > -- > I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. > SPAMfighter has removed 16456 of my spam emails to date. > Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len > > Do you have a slow PC? 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