In a message dated 28/10/2009 20:25:18 GMT Standard Time, cheyanne@hughes.net writes: LDS records start about 1777 to late for me Jack: Have you checked the date at which the registers actually begin? I suspect that what you call "LDS records" are in fact the BTs, which may have been put on-line by the LDS but which are definitely not "their" records. According to a much more reliable sourse, the National Index of Parish Registers, Ellingham and Belford C of E registers both begin c1700 (1685 Ellingham: 1702 Belford), though entries during the early years may be sparse. For any family in that district the possibility of a Scottish origin leading to a Northumberland Presbyterian family, is something ot consider. Geoff Nicholson