In a message dated 11/11/2009 12:29:17 GMT Standard Time, michael.fairless@eds.com writes: Sorry on that last mail I should also have said that she married Joseph Freeman 29.4.1866 All Saints, Newcastle In that case the marriage certificate should tell you the first name of her father. However, the NDFHS index to the 1851 census of Byker does not mention her, so I looked at another readily-available index, the NDFHS index to the 1851 census of Newcastle All Saints (the main, city-centre, part of the parish, HO 107/2407, not Byker, Heaton or Jesmond, all of which come into the "Byker" volume). There I found two possibilities. One was on folio 585, where the family was Dorothy 21, Mary 18, Ann 15, John 12, Elen 9, William 25 and Mary 22. The other possibility was on folio 679 where there were Anthony 40, Margaret 18, James 15, Mary 10, Nelly 8 and John 6. In each case the surname was Collins. Folio 585 seems to correspond to an address in Silver Street and folio 679 to one in Sandgate. Geoff Nicholson