Thanks Geoff I'm going to have to look a that curve in the Crown Posada. That's fascinating. I have photos of my 18th birthday there but the curve is not in sight. George who used to play the harmonica is sitting next to me playing Happy Birthday though if you remember him. I had Sunday lunch with friends the other month in a very nice gastro style pub near the law courts and realised I was in the Baltic Tavern. This used to be a real Fagin's den of little rooms leading off each other along corridors if anyone remembers it. I remember my mother being convinced i was consorting with gangsters by entering the place and I promised I would never go again. the food was probably beter but I'm so pleased I experienced a pub like that while it still survived. The old Newcastle Arms was frequented by us because it had a pool table for the lads , Nancy Sinatra on the jukebox fro the lasses and those plate pies . When I was small I always used to think the Pineapple near the Monument looked impossibly glamorous as we walked to Marlborough Crescent for the bus. It looked from the outside like it had lots of booths and had windows all the way around which was as near as we got to a see a pub in the 60s and early 70s . We could sit on plank with a bag of crisps outside the Woodmans Arms in Whickham but not look inside. I was at a charity auction yesterday and one of the bids was a meal at the Northern Counties Private Club in Hood treet which i had never heard of. Apparently it is a private members club going back to 1826 and is beautiful inside with lots of history. ( Hpood street links Grey Street with Pilgrim Street Nancy) Newcastle's hidden buildings are brilliant. Debra --------------------------------------------------