In a message dated 03/01/2010 12:34:01 GMT Standard Time, christelhelen@yahoo.co.uk writes: I also am trying to trace the baptism of William Tulip, he married in 1802 to Margaret Bowes (at Newburn) I believe that William and Friend are brothers (one of William's grandsons is called John Friend) First, the Tulip family were Northumbrian landowners in the St John Lee district. In "Hutton's Wall" an account of a walk along Hadrian's Wall undertaken by an elderly gentleman from Birmingham c1800 (and published c1970 by Frank Graham), he tells of meeting workmen busy demolishing part of the Wall somewhere near the top of Brunton Bank. He remonstrated with them but they said they were acting on orders from "Mr Tulip". Hutton sent a message to Tulip via the workmen, telling him what damage he was doing to a great ancient monument. It may have had a little effect, as there is a piece of the Wall surviving just where Hutton said his meeting took place! However, those Tulips may not be yours as it was not an unusual surname in that part opf Northumberland. That of "Friend" is much rarer, and in this context I am reminded of the Bennett family of Swalwell in Whickham parish. A Richard Bennett (1727-1779) married a Theodosia Friend (1731-1807). Her first name implies that her father worked for Crowley's Iron Works, which was dominant in Swalwell, Winlaton and Winlaton Mill, and which for many years was controlled by a Mrs Theodosia Crowley, apparently quite a forceful woman, as many or the workers began to call their daughters Theodosia during her "reign". One son of Richard and Theodosia was Thomas Friend Bennett (1769-1842) who became Agent for Crowleys. Perhaps the Tulips had the same reason for drawing attention to their Friend relatives as had the Bennetts! Geoff Nicholson

Dear Geoff How interesting! However, my Tulips are so far much humbler, being coal miners. Martha Tulip, daughter of John (a coal miner) married my ggg uncle George Monkester (his preferred spelling according to the marriage certificate - and I think much the nicest, I imagine it most approximates the NE pronunciation), this was 1862 in Shotton (she was born 1841 in Wingate). John Tulip had married Martha Christie in Gateshead in 1827, and was born in Throckley 1805, to I think William Tulip and Margaret Bowes (married 1802 Newburn). I will have to do a bit of work to understand how the "Friend" gets involved, but it is probably much as you imagine - a kind of status symbol !? Regards Christel --- On Sun, 3/1/10, NEGenealogy@aol.com <NEGenealogy@aol.com> wrote: > From: NEGenealogy@aol.com <NEGenealogy@aol.com> > Subject: Re: [NMB] Friend Tulip + William Tulip > To: northumbria@rootsweb.com > Date: Sunday, 3 January, 2010, 15:33 > > In a message dated 03/01/2010 12:34:01 GMT Standard > Time,  > christelhelen@yahoo.co.uk > writes: > > I also  am trying to trace the baptism of William > Tulip, he married in 1802 > to  Margaret Bowes (at Newburn) > > I believe that William and Friend are  brothers (one > of William's grandsons > is called John  Friend) > > > > > First, the Tulip family were Northumbrian  landowners > in the St John Lee > district.  In "Hutton's Wall" an account of a  > walk along Hadrian's Wall > undertaken by an elderly gentleman from Birmingham  > c1800 (and published c1970 by > Frank Graham), he tells of meeting > workmen   busy demolishing part of the > Wall somewhere near the top of > Brunton   Bank.  He remonstrated with > them but > they said they were acting on orders  from "Mr > Tulip".  Hutton sent a > message to Tulip via the workmen, telling  him what > damage he was doing to a > great ancient monument.  It may have had  a > little effect, as there is a piece > of the Wall surviving just where Hutton  said his > meeting took place! > >     However, those Tulips may not be yours as it > was  not an unusual > surname in that part opf Northumberland.  That of > "Friend"  is much rarer, and in > this context I am reminded of the Bennett family of  > Swalwell in Whickham > parish.  A Richard Bennett (1727-1779) married a  > Theodosia Friend > (1731-1807).  Her first name implies that her > father  worked for Crowley's Iron Works, > which was dominant in Swalwell, Winlaton and  Winlaton > Mill, and which for > many years was controlled by a Mrs Theodosia  Crowley, > apparently quite a > forceful woman, as many or the workers began to call  > their daughters Theodosia > during her "reign".  One son of Richard and  > Theodosia was Thomas Friend > Bennett (1769-1842) who became Agent for  > Crowleys.  Perhaps the Tulips had > the same reason for drawing  attention to their Friend > relatives as had the > Bennetts! > >                 >                 >                 > Geoff  Nicholson > > > > The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORTHUMBRIA-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the > subject and the body of the message >