Hello Trevor, I tried 'Googling' your John Moses and the first thing that came up was this reference to a Genuki page: http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DUR/D_Executions.html which shows this mention of a 'John Moses': 1803 - August 13, John Moses, for stealing draperygoods from the shop of Benjamin Jackson at Barnardcastle. which gives you a little bit more information and if you read the references at the top of the page, it gives you information as to sources. Genuki is an amazing site and should be a first stop for anyone researching in the UK. Many thanks to Alistair Mills who supplied the information as to Executions at Durham, 1732-1909. Best wishes, Trudi Barr, British Columbia, Canada

Newcastle Courant Aug 13 1803 Before the judges left Durham, they were pleased to reprieve James ALLAN (the piper), and Thomas DAVISON condemned for horse stealing and burglary. John MOSES, for a robbery in the house and shop of Benjamin JACKSON of Barnardcastle, was left for execution Newcastle Courant Aug 20 1803 On Monday last, John MOSES was executed at Durham, pursuant to his sentence at the assizes, for a burglary at Barnardcastle Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 03/09/2014 05:13, Trevor via wrote: > I cannot find official record for the execution of John Moses at Dryburn in > 1803. I have searched Ancestry, Familysearch, Durham Records Online but > cannot find a record (which doesn't mean to say that there isn't one - just > that I haven't found it!) >

I cannot find official record for the execution of John Moses at Dryburn in 1803. I have searched Ancestry, Familysearch, Durham Records Online but cannot find a record (which doesn't mean to say that there isn't one - just that I haven't found it!) I have a footnote reference to his execution in An historical, topographical and descriptive view of the county palatine of Durham, by E. Mackenzie and [continued by] M. Ross: Volume 2. I'm sure there must be an official record - county, legal, national, etc - but I just don't know where to look. Any suggestions? BTW - that book is a free download from Google Books. Trevor (Melbourne)

Hi Trevor The person I believe to have been my late husband's 3xgreat grandfather, a William Currie of Alnwick, was hanged at Morpeth in 1822 for highway robbery and his body, along with that of his accomplice, was taken back to Alnwick and they were both buried "in one grave behind the church about four o'clock on Thursday morning". This burial is not mentioned in the parish records, presumably as it was outside the church grounds. Most of the references to the robbery, and the subsequent execution and disposal of the bodies, are contained in local newspapers of the time. Perhaps that is where you should be looking. There are various websites where you can look at old newspapers (British Newspaper Archive, etc) and you may find some of them on Ancestry or Find my Past. The information on William came from the Newcastle Courant and the Berwick Advertiser. Perhaps John's execution would have been mentioned in the Newcastle Courant. I'm not sure whether libraries in Australia would have these, but, if you can access them somehow, you might also like to look at some of the historical record books (laid out in datal order like diaries) such as John Sykes' Local Records (Local Records; or Historical Register of Remarkable Events in Northumberland, Durham, Newcastle upon Tyne and Berwick upon Tweed), or the Local Historian's Table Book of Remarkable Occurrences, Historical Division, by M.A. Richardson. Both of these publications contained details of William Currie's crime and punishment. Hope this helps. Cheers Pat ======================== Mrs Pat Pierpoint Publicity Officer - NDFHS Email: pat@patpierpoint.co.uk or publicity@ndfhs.org ======================== > -----Original Message----- > From: northumbria-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:northumbria-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Trevor via > Sent: 03 September 2014 05:13 > To: ROOTSWEB: Northumbria > Subject: [NMB] Execution records > > I cannot find official record for the execution of John Moses > at Dryburn in > 1803. I have searched Ancestry, Familysearch, Durham Records > Online but > cannot find a record (which doesn't mean to say that there > isn't one - just > that I haven't found it!) > > I have a footnote reference to his execution in An historical, > topographical and descriptive view of the county palatine of > Durham, by E. > Mackenzie and [continued by] M. Ross: Volume 2. > > I'm sure there must be an official record - county, legal, > national, etc - > but I just don't know where to look. Any suggestions? > > BTW - that book is a free download from Google Books. > > Trevor > (Melbourne) > .. > -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. SPAMfighter has removed 15959 of my spam emails to date. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len Do you have a slow PC? Try a Free scan http://www.spamfighter.com/SLOW-PCfighter?cid=sigen --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com

Trevor: Don't forget that the information on Ancestry and other web sites has been taken from parish registers and refers to burials, usually at the period concerned, in the parish churchyard. It is not a record of the cause of death and so does not cover executions as such, even if the burial was in the churchyard. However, he almost certainly was not buried there, but in the prison yard of Durham Gaol. Any record of that, as such, would be in the prison records (probably in TNA) but as a burial more or less had to follow from an execution, unless the body was sent to the surgeons to be "anatomised", I'm not sure whether even the prison would keep a separate register of burials. Unlike Newcastle, Durham City does not seem to have had a large public hospital at that period, and therefore there was no equivalent of Newcastle's Surgeons' Hall where dissections could be performed. I would therefore expect a burial in the prison yard to be the most likely explanation. Geoff Nicholson -----Original Message----- From: Trevor via <northumbria@rootsweb.com> To: ROOTSWEB: Northumbria <NORTHUMBRIA@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wed, 3 Sep 2014 5:19 Subject: [NMB] Execution records I cannot find official record for the execution of John Moses at Dryburn in 1803. I have searched Ancestry, Familysearch, Durham Records Online but cannot find a record (which doesn't mean to say that there isn't one - just that I haven't found it!) I have a footnote reference to his execution in An historical, topographical and descriptive view of the county palatine of Durham, by E. Mackenzie and [continued by] M. Ross: Volume 2. I'm sure there must be an official record - county, legal, national, etc - but I just don't know where to look. Any suggestions? BTW - that book is a free download from Google Books. Trevor (Melbourne) .. Please quote the minimum necessary to put your reply on context. Please introduce yourself at the top of every post. The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORTHUMBRIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

On 02/09/2014 11:14, Yvonne via wrote: > <snip> ... Robert Robinson (1863) was involved in a cobble accident in 1915 and the only thing they found was his leg <snip> Hi Yvonne ... I found two newspaper references to this accident: Sunderland Daily Echo, Friday 19 March 1915 - p2, col 5 Newcastle Journal, Saturday 20 March 1915 - p7, col 4 Both these name the three people from this coble i.e. William Twizell 50, John Twizell 45 and Robert Robinson 55. In the 1911 census ages of these three in Newbiggin were:- William Twizell 47, John Lisle Twizell 42 and Robert Robinson, so ages quoted at death may be a bit out. However, in FreeBMD, although there is a death registered for William Twizell [1915 (Jun) Morpeth 10b 596], there does not appear any record of the death of either John Twizell or Robert Robinson. I did wonder if they had not actually perished in the accident, but Administration of all three estates are listed in the National Probate Calendar (via Ancestry) for 1915 ... dates of death all recorded as 18 March 1915 at sea. In the light of your "leg" story could it be that whatever remains were found of John Twizell and Robert Robinson were not able to be identified sufficiently to register as a regular death? Perhaps a torso is required in order for the death to be confirmed? I'm sure one of our gurus could throw some light on this regulation. Kath

Thanks Helen, I may have to bite the bullet and buy his death certificate to settle my mind.  Maybe a silly question, are inquests from that time available online? Kind regards Yvonne ________________________________ From: Helen via <northumbria@rootsweb.com> To: northumbria@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, 2 September 2014, 12:09 Subject: Re: [NMB] ROBINSON - Fisherman's leg buried at Newbiggen cemetery On 02/09/2014 11:14, Yvonne via wrote: > Hello, > > > A lot of years ago, I visited a distant relative in Newbiggen and after confirming our connections with the Burgon family of Eyemouth she told me that her/our ancestor Robert Robinson (1863) was involved in a cobble accident in 1915 and the only thing they found was his leg.  Hence, this is buried in Newbiggen cemetery.  I found this hard to believe but took her word for it.  I can't find anything online about such a burial. > > I have a photograph from a newspaper stating he drowned in 1915. > > > > Kind regards > Yvonne > From Helen Oram, Hi Yvonne,   His death certificate should tell you whether an inquest was held. If there was an inquest, this may have been covered in the local paper and give more details. -- Helen Oram .. Please quote the minimum necessary to put your reply on context. Please introduce yourself at the top of every post. The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORTHUMBRIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

On 02/09/2014 11:14, Yvonne via wrote: > Hello, > > > A lot of years ago, I visited a distant relative in Newbiggen and after confirming our connections with the Burgon family of Eyemouth she told me that her/our ancestor Robert Robinson (1863) was involved in a cobble accident in 1915 and the only thing they found was his leg. Hence, this is buried in Newbiggen cemetery. I found this hard to believe but took her word for it. I can't find anything online about such a burial. > > I have a photograph from a newspaper stating he drowned in 1915. > > > > Kind regards > Yvonne > From Helen Oram, Hi Yvonne, His death certificate should tell you whether an inquest was held. If there was an inquest, this may have been covered in the local paper and give more details. -- Helen Oram

Yvonne: This is not, I'm afraid, the answer to your query, but just a little pedantic niggle of mine. I note that in your original question your referred to a "cobble", but in her reply Kath calls it a "coble". In Northumberland these well-adapted fishing boats are always spelled coble and pronounced co-bul, ie with a long "o". A little further south, in Yorkshire, where they are also used, they are pronounced cobble, ie with a short "o" as in the stones used for paving roads, though I'm not sure how that is usually spelled. This may sound like trivia but I can assure you that in Northumberland fishing villages such as Newbiggen used to be it is far from that! Geoff Nicholson -----Original Message----- From: Kath Liddell via <northumbria@rootsweb.com> To: northumbria <northumbria@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tue, 2 Sep 2014 14:13 Subject: Re: [NMB] ROBINSON - Fisherman's leg buried at Newbiggen cemetery On 02/09/2014 11:14, Yvonne via wrote: > <snip> ... Robert Robinson (1863) was involved in a cobble accident in 1915 and the only thing they found was his leg <snip> Hi Yvonne ... I found two newspaper references to this accident: Sunderland Daily Echo, Friday 19 March 1915 - p2, col 5 Newcastle Journal, Saturday 20 March 1915 - p7, col 4 Both these name the three people from this coble i.e. William Twizell 50, John Twizell 45 and Robert Robinson 55. In the 1911 census ages of these three in Newbiggin were:- William Twizell 47, John Lisle Twizell 42 and Robert Robinson, so ages quoted at death may be a bit out. However, in FreeBMD, although there is a death registered for William Twizell [1915 (Jun) Morpeth 10b 596], there does not appear any record of the death of either John Twizell or Robert Robinson. I did wonder if they had not actually perished in the accident, but Administration of all three estates are listed in the National Probate Calendar (via Ancestry) for 1915 ... dates of death all recorded as 18 March 1915 at sea. In the light of your "leg" story could it be that whatever remains were found of John Twizell and Robert Robinson were not able to be identified sufficiently to register as a regular death? Perhaps a torso is required in order for the death to be confirmed? I'm sure one of our gurus could throw some light on this regulation. Kath .. Please quote the minimum necessary to put your reply on context. Please introduce yourself at the top of every post. The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORTHUMBRIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello, I hope someone can confirm whether this is true or not. A lot of years ago, I visited a distant relative in Newbiggen and after confirming our connections with the Burgon family of Eyemouth she told me that her/our ancestor Robert Robinson (1863) was involved in a cobble accident in 1915 and the only thing they found was his leg.  Hence, this is buried in Newbiggen cemetery.  I found this hard to believe but took her word for it.  I can't find anything online about such a burial.  I have a photograph from a newspaper stating he drowned in 1915. On 18th August 1900 Robert received the Royal Humane Society medal.  J. Armstrong, a crew member, was accidentally knocked overboard some 4 miles off the Northumberland coast and at great risk Robert jumped in and supported him for some 15 minutes until they were saved by a small boat. Does anyone know anything about this and if the leg story is true? Kind regards Yvonne

Can anyone help me find out what happened in 1884 to the glassworkers at Hartley Glass? My Gt Gt Grandfather Archibald Donaldson was the Chairman of The Founders and Teazers' Committee, Sunderland and it appears there was some distress at this time according to articles in the Sunderland Daily Echo and Shipping Gazette. Any further detail about this would be gratefully appreciated. Many thanks Cathy

Thanks very much Brian. I tried the London list, however it is not very active and nobody replied. Cheers Gwyneth Sydney

Hello I am wondering if someone would be able to tell me the word after London please? Profession? The document is London, Freedom of City Admission Papers 1681-1925 on Ancestry. http://interactive.ancestry.com/2052/32512_a063563-01556/833552?backurl=http %3a%2f%2fsearch.ancestry.com%2fcgi-bin%2fsse.dll%3frank%3d1%26new%3d1%26msav %3d1%26gss%3dangs-c%26gsfn_x%3dXO%26gsln%3dSkeffington%26gsln_x%3dXO%26msbdy %3d1730%26msbpn__ftp%3dLondon%252c%2bEngland%26cpxt%3d1%26catbucket%3drstp%2 6uidh%3d6lf%26cp%3d4%26pcat%3d36%26h%3d833552%26recoff%3d5%2b20%2b32%26db%3d LondonFreedomofCity%26indiv%3d1%26ml_rpos%3d57&ssrc=&backlabel=ReturnRecord Thanks & cheers Gwyneth Sydney

On 01/09/2014 01:48, Gwyneth Watson User via wrote: > I am wondering if someone would be able to tell me the word after London > please? Profession? The document is London, Freedom of City Admission > Papers 1681-1925 on Ancestry. Gwyneth The word is Poulterer, but why are you asking about a London document on the Northumbria Mailing List? Please ensure that any future queries to this list relate to the list area - ie Northumberland or Co Durham. Brian -- Brian Pears Joint Admin NORTHUMBRIA Mailing List GENUKI Maintainer for Northumberland

Hi Alan, I am sending this to list & you so it will go in the archives. Thanks for the info re Thrussel Hall. Crozier is also in my family tree, although probably not the same one. Mine is on my maternal side as follows; Mine is BILL CROZIER, when he was born or any other info. on him I don't have (birth. place, baptism,death, marriage, mother/father siblings, etc) someone told me he worked at Binns in Sunderland. He was married to my maternal g'father (Thomas) sister Lizzie when & where I also don't know. As far as I know their children were Derek & MarySorry my info. is very spotty that's all I have. Regards, Malcolm (C) The farm on the left of the lane was Myrtle Bank and on the right was Throssel Hall/ Thrush Hole / Thrush Hall / Throstle Hole. Both Myrtle Bank and Throstle Hole are now part of the Buddhist Abbey – Myrtle Bank provides accommodation. The Crozier family – Jane and her son Thomas – were in ‘Thrush Hall’ from 1881 to 1911. I would be interested if anyone can provide information on this family.

Malcolm, Thanks for the extra information. The farm on the left of the lane was Myrtle Bank and on the right was Throssel Hall/ Thrush Hole / Thrush Hall / Throstle Hole. Both Myrtle Bank and Throstle Hole are now part of the Buddhist Abbey - Myrtle Bank provides accommodation. The Crozier family - Jane and her son Thomas - were in 'Thrush Hall' from 1881 to 1911. I would be interested if anyone can provide information on this family. Alan From: MALCOLM CAMPBELL [mailto:medway@bell.net] Sent: 31 August 2014 17:17 To: ajs@fivenine.co.uk Subject: RE: [NMB] West Allendale - Limestone Brae, Thossel Hole Hi, This is not a question. 70 years ago one of my brothers was born there. Beside the Chapel there was a laneway that went to a place called THRUSH HALL, at the end of the laneway, there was a farm (ran or owned by an Irene Armstrong) on the left & a small cottage on the right (where we lived (my mother, myseelf & another brother).I'm not sure if our cottage or the farm was called Thrush Hall. My paternal g'parents had a cottage at Farneyside (nearby), which is proberly how we got to know about the cottage.That is all I can remember, I was only 6, we are from Sunderland & moved there (1943-4) to get away from the war. my father worked @ the docks in Sunderland & came up on some weekends. Since I was only 6 my info. may be foggy, so I stand to be corrected. Regards, Malcolm Campbell (not the racecarspeedboat driver), London, Ontario, Canada > Geoff, > > Just a minor correction. Limestone Brae Methodist chapel - Weslyan I believe > not Primitive - is now a private house; Thrush Hole, once a farm house, is > now a Buddhist 'Abbey'. For perhaps ten years Methodist chapel and Buddhist > Abbey co-existed. > > A Quaker meeting house at Limestone Brae preceded the Methodist chapel but > had fallen into disuse before that chapel was established. > > However I agree with your main point. There is no evidence of persecution of > non-conformists in West Allen. It would more accurate that many inhabitants > rejected the established church and were prepared to travel long distances > to support independent congregations or found their own local churches / > chapels. > > Alan Swindale > > Christene: > > > > Graham is correct in saying that there could be many reasons for a > > move, and it is unlikely that after all this time we shall ever get to > > understand completely why they went. There are, however, some points > > arising from Graham's answer. One is that it wouldn't be to find a > > better-paying lead mine, since there were none in Walton! The geology > > is quite different even though it is only a few miles away. Even in > > West Allendale, many people combined part-time farming on a small- > > holding with part-time working in a lead mine. Neither paid quite > > enough to live on but put together they could just about get by. So it > > is quite possible that going to Walton was a means of escaping the > > hard, dangerous, unhealthy, work in a lead mine. > > > > I don't think it is fair to say that nonconformists were > > persecuted in Allendale. Methodists were very strong there and just > > north (ie down-dale) from Carrshield was the Limestone Brae Primitive > > Methodist Church (strangely enough, it still exists but is now a > > Buddhist Temple!), which was the local centre for them once that > > "Connexion" had been founded. In the 1770s all Methodists were, > > effectively, Wesleyan, and that was quite strong throughout the > > Northumberland and Co Durham Dales. Carrshield Wesleyans were part of > > the Alston Circuit (Cumberland), and existed by 1805 and the Primitive > > Methodists in Carrshield were founded in 1825, ie more or less as soon > > as the Primitives broke away from the Wesleyans. Perhaps this > > indicates some division among the local Methodists, though whether it > > goes back to the 1770s is another matter. > > > > From the C of E point of view, the church at Carrshield, also > > known as Allen High Chapel, was a Chapelry of Allendale parish. Its > > registers go back only to 1823. however, so that was probably the date > > of its founding. Before that it seems the alternative for West > > Allendale people was either (1) to face the long trek over the hill to > > Allendale Town, (2) to go down the Dale to Ninebanks, another Chapelry > > of Allendale, founded in 1764, or else (3) to go to a local Wesleyan > > Chapel. Early Wesleyan churches in Ninebanks Chapelry were at High > > House (by 1805), Keenley (by 1750), or Wolf Cleugh (near Coalcleugh: by > > 1805). Walton was not only in a different county (Cumberland) but > > also in a different C of E Diocese (Carlisle). > > > > Let us not forget that there was also a considerable following in > > those Dales for the Society of Friends (Quakers).

Geoff, Just a minor correction. Limestone Brae Methodist chapel - Weslyan I believe not Primitive - is now a private house; Thrush Hole, once a farm house, is now a Buddhist 'Abbey'. For perhaps ten years Methodist chapel and Buddhist Abbey co-existed. A Quaker meeting house at Limestone Brae preceded the Methodist chapel but had fallen into disuse before that chapel was established. However I agree with your main point. There is no evidence of persecution of non-conformists in West Allen. It would more accurate that many inhabitants rejected the established church and were prepared to travel long distances to support independent congregations or found their own local churches / chapels. Alan Swindale > -----Original Message----- > From: northumbria-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:northumbria- > bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Geoff Nicholson via > Sent: 31 August 2014 10:01 > To: spinneyhill@outlook.com; spinneyhill@xnet.co.nz; > northumbria@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [NMB] West Allendale > > > Christene: > > Graham is correct in saying that there could be many reasons for a > move, and it is unlikely that after all this time we shall ever get to > understand completely why they went. There are, however, some points > arising from Graham's answer. One is that it wouldn't be to find a > better-paying lead mine, since there were none in Walton! The geology > is quite different even though it is only a few miles away. Even in > West Allendale, many people combined part-time farming on a small- > holding with part-time working in a lead mine. Neither paid quite > enough to live on but put together they could just about get by. So it > is quite possible that going to Walton was a means of escaping the > hard, dangerous, unhealthy, work in a lead mine. > > I don't think it is fair to say that nonconformists were > persecuted in Allendale. Methodists were very strong there and just > north (ie down-dale) from Carrshield was the Limestone Brae Primitive > Methodist Church (strangely enough, it still exists but is now a > Buddhist Temple!), which was the local centre for them once that > "Connexion" had been founded. In the 1770s all Methodists were, > effectively, Wesleyan, and that was quite strong throughout the > Northumberland and Co Durham Dales. Carrshield Wesleyans were part of > the Alston Circuit (Cumberland), and existed by 1805 and the Primitive > Methodists in Carrshield were founded in 1825, ie more or less as soon > as the Primitives broke away from the Wesleyans. Perhaps this > indicates some division among the local Methodists, though whether it > goes back to the 1770s is another matter. > > From the C of E point of view, the church at Carrshield, also > known as Allen High Chapel, was a Chapelry of Allendale parish. Its > registers go back only to 1823. however, so that was probably the date > of its founding. Before that it seems the alternative for West > Allendale people was either (1) to face the long trek over the hill to > Allendale Town, (2) to go down the Dale to Ninebanks, another Chapelry > of Allendale, founded in 1764, or else (3) to go to a local Wesleyan > Chapel. Early Wesleyan churches in Ninebanks Chapelry were at High > House (by 1805), Keenley (by 1750), or Wolf Cleugh (near Coalcleugh: by > 1805). Walton was not only in a different county (Cumberland) but > also in a different C of E Diocese (Carlisle). > > Let us not forget that there was also a considerable following in > those Dales for the Society of Friends (Quakers). > > All in all, then, a potentially complex situation! > > Geoff Nicholson > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Graham & Christine Fairless via <northumbria@rootsweb.com> > To: Christene Hoffert <christene.hoffert@gmail.com>; northumbria > <northumbria@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sat, 30 Aug 2014 22:47 > Subject: [NMB] West Allendale > > > Hello Christene, > Economic migrants, family ties or the opposite, religious reasons, > booted off the land, young and newly married and had to find somewhere > to go, under-age marriage so went somewhere else? > > If it were me, I would look at where they lived before they moved and > where they lived "in" Walton. Is the latter a bigger land holding? Did > they move to a (new) lead mine or one paying more? Were they non- > conformists who were ostracised in West Allendale? Was there a family > connection? I think there are lots of avenues to investigate, as well > as the social history of the two areas. > > You may be lucky and have the father's occupation given in children's' > baptism records. > > Regards > Graham > > On 31/08/2014 8:46 a.m., Christene Hoffert via wrote: > > Hi, > > Can anyone give me some history of West Allendale particularly in > > the > > 1776-1778 when my family left there for Walton, Cumberland. I just > > wonder whether there was a reason for the move. > .. > Please quote the minimum necessary to put your reply on context. 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Good to know, thank you Alison. Susan USA On Saturday, August 30, 2014 4:52 AM, Mike Temple via <northumbria@rootsweb.com> wrote: Thanks for that Information Alison. Mike Temple, Spain. -----Original Message----- From: Alison Wilson via Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2014 12:13 AM To: NORTHUMBRIA Subject: [NMB] BTs for St John's, Newcastle, on familysearch Listers, I have just found that baptisms (from August 1853 to end 1854) and burials 1854, which are part of the database of BTs for Durham/Northumberland, have been mis-indexedon the familysearch site Alison :-) Sydney Australia .. Please quote the minimum necessary to put your reply on context. Please introduce yourself at the top of every post. The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORTHUMBRIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message .. Please quote the minimum necessary to put your reply on context. Please introduce yourself at the top of every post. The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORTHUMBRIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Christene, Economic migrants, family ties or the opposite, religious reasons, booted off the land, young and newly married and had to find somewhere to go, under-age marriage so went somewhere else? If it were me, I would look at where they lived before they moved and where they lived "in" Walton. Is the latter a bigger land holding? Did they move to a (new) lead mine or one paying more? Were they non-conformists who were ostracised in West Allendale? Was there a family connection? I think there are lots of avenues to investigate, as well as the social history of the two areas. You may be lucky and have the father's occupation given in children's' baptism records. Regards Graham On 31/08/2014 8:46 a.m., Christene Hoffert via wrote: > Hi, > Can anyone give me some history of West Allendale particularly in the > 1776-1778 when my family left there for Walton, Cumberland. I just wonder > whether there was a reason for the move.

Christene, In general terms lead mining was expanding in West Allendale at this time and the economic conditions were improving. However the Whitfield lead smelting mill (at the foot of West Allendale) was being phased out in favour of the Nenthead mill and my own ancestor, Peter Swindal, moved from Whitfield to Allendale (not West Allendale) around 1778. Walton was, I believe, much more a solely farming community so it is likely that your ancestors moved to a new farm, possibly when a tenancy ran out. Alan Swindale > bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Christene Hoffert via > Sent: 30 August 2014 21:47 > To: NORTHUMBRIA@rootsweb.com > Subject: [NMB] West Allendale > > Hi, > Can anyone give me some history of West Allendale particularly in the > 1776-1778 when my family left there for Walton, Cumberland. I just > wonder whether there was a reason for the move. I believe they may > have been farmers at least my 3x great grandfather was one when he came > to Canada. > Christene