Hi, I too am looking for more information on the Watson surname. Elizabeth Watson b. 1762 in Horton by Blythe. She was the daughter of John & Jane (Laws). Anyone researching this family? Elizabeth married Joseph Murdie in 1799 and they moved to Canada in 1818. Patricia Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 8, 2014, at 8:58 AM, Susan C via <northumbria@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > Hello Gwyneth, Trevor and Listers, > > I am researching the Ainslie, Ogle, and Watson Families. > > >

Hello Gwyneth, Trevor and Listers, I am researching the Ainslie, Ogle, and Watson Families. Who was Ann's first husband? I have her in my tree (if she is the same Ann) who married George Ainslie in 1766, Wooler. I have her father as Thomas Watson, from Morpeth. The name is very common and difficult to trace the right family. The only clue I have is that Ann's family were "non - conformists". The confusion here is that the earlier Watsons were Quakers. Is it possible that Robert and Thomas were brothers? I do not have their dates of births or baptisms or information regarding Thomas's marriage to help match the families. Any thoughts concerning Robert or Thomas Watson and/or information helps and is appreciated. Regards, Susan

On Monday, September 8, 2014, Kath Liddell <klweb24@gmail.com> wrote: > Trevor > I have no connection with any DOVE family, but am potentially interested > in PARKER in Cumberland /Co. Durham /Northumberland if you'd care to post > your query. > Kath > > <snip> ... have a few DOVE in Darlington. They also had connections in the > West Riding, and with PARKER in Co. Durham. <snip> Kath, The first PARKER I have is Edward, b. 1751, Bentham, Yorkshire, where he also married 5th August 1778, Margaret GELDERT/GELDART. He died Houghton le Skerne, 25 November 1835 and is bur. there with his wife. I think he might have been a Guardian of the Poor at one time in Houghton le Skerne but have not verified that. The given names Edward Parker were bestowed upon a number of his descendants of various surnames. Some of the numerous offspring of this couple. seem to have moved between Bentham and some places in Co. Durham. from time to time but I have not researched why. (Especially Darlington.) Edward and Margaret had a large family. One of their daughters, Rachel, was b. 1791 Bentham, but married William DOVE in Houghton le Skerne in 1815. I have more about their family. I have more, but will stop here before it gets too long and complicated, except to say that I have Mary PARKER, b 1802. d 1858, Alston, Cumbria. She m. Irving MOFFAT, 12 Dec 1822, Alston. I know nothing more of her and I am unaware of any connection with the other PARKER line mentioned above, but Irving MOFFAT is my blood relation. My motive in making the original post was to share what I have about DOVE rather than make an enquiry, but am happy to share my PARKER information too. Trevor (Melbourne)

Several months ago someone posted an enquiry about a DOVE family. I was travelling abroad at the time and appear to have deleted the message. However, if the lister who posted the message would like to make contact I have a few DOVE in Darlington. They also had connections in the West Riding, and with PARKER in Co. Durham. Trevor (Melbourne)

Hello Trevor I have Doves from Newcastle on Tyne 1670 ish  to 1734  and Parkers from County Durham 18th century.  My youngest  Dove , Eleanor, married a Jamieson in 1755, Newcastle on Tyne. John Parker's (1776 -1841) eldest  daughter Elizabeth Parker (b1807 ) line married John Watson.  She had several siblings Ann, John, Mary Sara and Frances.  I haven't checked who they married yet. If it's any help I'll let you know more info. Regards Evelyn ________________________________

Trevor I have no connection with any DOVE family, but am potentially interested in PARKER in Cumberland /Co. Durham /Northumberland if you'd care to post your query. Kath <snip> ... have a few DOVE in Darlington. They also had connections in the West Riding, and with PARKER in Co. Durham. <snip>

Hi Mildred, Thank you for the suggestion, certainly Glenwright seems more likely than Glewright, and this is supported by Hodgson's History of Northumberland, which has a comment that the names of Stokoe & Glenwright were the most common there in the 16th & 17th C. Unfortunately this name is only cited once in the decree, and is definitely written as Glewright there. For anyone interested in following that up, the route would be via the original Bill of Complaint & answers, which will be at The National Archives at Kew. A useful side effect of your query is that I went back to read the whole decree, and note that it is a very good example of the possibilities of such documents in aiding family history research, as it outlines the defendant's ancestry, including his great grandfather, grandfather and uncle, which would take it back well into the 1500s. Dave -----Original Message----- From: northumbria-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:northumbria-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Mildred Robson via Sent: 06 September 2014 09:51 To: northumbria@rootsweb.com Subject: [NMB] Newbiggin Fishermen/Chancery decree Yes it was possible to identify where a dead fisherman came from by the 'gansey' he wore. Each village had its own pattern. The gansey was knitted in the round on four needles and I have Mrs. Rowe's pattern from Newbiggin. There are various websites with info. After looking at the scan I believe the name Glewright is actually Glenwright. This surname is one of my lines of research. Mildred Robson .. Please quote the minimum necessary to put your reply on context. Please introduce yourself at the top of every post. The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORTHUMBRIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Yes it was possible to identify where a dead fisherman came from by the 'gansey' he wore. Each village had its own pattern. The gansey was knitted in the round on four needles and I have Mrs. Rowe's pattern from Newbiggin. There are various websites with info. After looking at the scan I believe the name Glewright is actually Glenwright. This surname is one of my lines of research. Mildred Robson

Hi, The image of the decree in William Errington, Thomas Kirsopp, Richard Stokoe, William Stokoe, John Glewright, Anthony Stokoe, John Watson, John Snowball, Thomas Elliott, Cuthbert Lambert, Cuthbert Carnaby, George Stokoe and Richard Lambert v Roger Wilson re the enclosure of Newbrough Common may be of interest: http://aalt.law.uh.edu/AALT7/C78/C78no919/IMG_0326.htm Dave

Many thanks for locating that source, Trudi. It's a pretty brutal punishment, eh? Trevor. On Thursday, September 4, 2014, Trudi Barr via <northumbria@rootsweb.com> wrote: > Hi again Trevor, > > Also found this page: > http://www.britishexecutions.co.uk/execution-content.php?key=2914 > which had the newspaper account listed below as well as the place of > execution (Dryburn) and method (hanging). > > *Monday, 15 August 1803 (Newcastle Chronicle)* > > *John Moses* of Durham City, guilty of a burglary in the dwelling house > of Benjamin Jackson on 10^th July 1803: stealing therefrom 70 yards of > muslin (valued at £10), 7 cotton neck handkerchiefs (valued at 10/-), 20 > pocket handkerchiefs (valued at £1) 5 pairs of cotton stockings (valued > at 7/6), 20 pieces of printed cotton (valued at £100) and a harden > wrapper (valued at 1/-). > > Trudi Barr, British Columbia, Canada > > .. > Please quote the minimum necessary to put your reply on context. Please > introduce yourself at the top of every post. > > The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at > http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NORTHUMBRIA-request@rootsweb.com <javascript:;> with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hello Gen, Thank you so much for the information.  I've had some ribbing about a leg being found and buried so it's a good feeling to know that it happened, the distant relative who told me this story was bright as a button and I didn't like to think that she was telling me anything other than the truth. Funnily enough, we have season tickets for Newcastle United and only last weekend the man I sit next to started talking about where he was born, I've sat beside him for a few years and didn't realise he came from Newbiggen.  I continued to tell him the story about the leg and the Robinsons and he knows the family well so is going to find out any connections. Isn't life strange, of all the people I could sit next too! My distant relative did say something to me years ago about the only way they recognised his leg was by his knitted sock which had his name stitched into it and of course the pattern.  Apparently jumpers were knitted to a certain family pattern that came down through the family, possibly socks were done the same. Thank you again, Kind regards Yvonne   ________________________________ From: Gen ListLass via <northumbria@rootsweb.com> To: "northumbria@rootsweb.com" <northumbria@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, 4 September 2014, 17:45 Subject: Re: [NMB] Fishermens buried leg in Newbiggen A friend who lives in Newbiggin has just sent me this, don't know if it's the same date or incident, I've deleted the rest of the messages! "Fishing tragedy 18 Mar 1915. 2 cobles "Mary Twizell" and "Lily and Margaret" lost with all hands - 7 men. Robert ROBINSON 1863-1915 and John Lisle TWIZELL 1869-1915 both from "Mary Twizell" - only remains found were 2 left legs and from these they were identified by the pattern on their socks. No entry in Burial Book for St Bartholomew, Newbiggin." Gen in NBL England > To all who gave their valuable input I'm extremely appreciative.  This site is wonderful with such knowledgeable people.  > > Kind regards > Yvonne                         .. Please quote the minimum necessary to put your reply on context. Please introduce yourself at the top of every post. The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORTHUMBRIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

A friend who lives in Newbiggin has just sent me this, don't know if it's the same date or incident, I've deleted the rest of the messages! "Fishing tragedy 18 Mar 1915. 2 cobles "Mary Twizell" and "Lily and Margaret" lost with all hands - 7 men. Robert ROBINSON 1863-1915 and John Lisle TWIZELL 1869-1915 both from "Mary Twizell" - only remains found were 2 left legs and from these they were identified by the pattern on their socks. No entry in Burial Book for St Bartholomew, Newbiggin." Gen in NBL England > To all who gave their valuable input I'm extremely appreciative. This site is wonderful with such knowledgeable people. > > Kind regards > Yvonne

Hello, To all who gave their valuable input I'm extremely appreciative.  This site is wonderful with such knowledgeable people.  Kind regards Yvonne 

Hi Trevor. 15/08/1803 John Moses Durham Dryburn Burglary This info from http://www.capitalpunishmentuk.org/1800.html Ken On 3/09/2014 2:13 PM, Trevor via wrote: > I cannot find official record for the execution of John Moses at Dryburn in > 1803. I have searched Ancestry, Familysearch, Durham Records Online but > cannot find a record (which doesn't mean to say that there isn't one - just > that I haven't found it!) > > I have a footnote reference to his execution in An historical, > topographical and descriptive view of the county palatine of Durham, by E. > Mackenzie and [continued by] M. Ross: Volume 2. > > I'm sure there must be an official record - county, legal, national, etc - > but I just don't know where to look. Any suggestions? > > BTW - that book is a free download from Google Books. > > Trevor > (Melbourne) > .. > Please quote the minimum necessary to put your reply on context. Please introduce yourself at the top of every post. > > The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORTHUMBRIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Trevor You might be interested for future reference, that the State Library of Victoria has an extensive collection of newspapers. Many can be accessed from home via your computer. Many local libraries have similar subscriptions. I expect that most sizable libraries would subscribe to online. newspaper databases. Best wishes Rosemary Ackroyd

GENUKI information quoted by Trudi is almost word for word what is in Sykes' "Local Records", which ad already been suggested as a possible source. Dryburn was often the site of public executions in Durham before the present Gaol was built. It is about half a mile from the town centre and from the site of the original Durham Gaol, at the top of Saddler Street. The gaol itself would have been in the parish of either St Mary le Bow or St Nicholas, so perhaps their churchyards could be considered, although those executed were probably not buried in consecrated ground at all. It is quite possible that some piece of land in Dryburn, close to the gallows may have been used. Incidentally, Dryburn is now the site of the University Hospital of North Durham (fitting?) and within yards of Durham County Hall, wherein Durham County Record Office is situated. Geoff Nicholson -----Original Message----- From: Trudi Barr via <northumbria@rootsweb.com> To: northumbria <northumbria@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thu, 4 Sep 2014 3:40 Subject: [NMB] Execution Records Hi again Trevor, Also found this page: http://www.britishexecutions.co.uk/execution-content.php?key=2914 which had the newspaper account listed below as well as the place of execution (Dryburn) and method (hanging). *Monday, 15 August 1803 (Newcastle Chronicle)* *John Moses* of Durham City, guilty of a burglary in the dwelling house of Benjamin Jackson on 10^th July 1803: stealing therefrom 70 yards of muslin (valued at £10), 7 cotton neck handkerchiefs (valued at 10/-), 20 pocket handkerchiefs (valued at £1) 5 pairs of cotton stockings (valued at 7/6), 20 pieces of printed cotton (valued at £100) and a harden wrapper (valued at 1/-). Trudi Barr, British Columbia, Canada .. Please quote the minimum necessary to put your reply on context. Please introduce yourself at the top of every post. The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORTHUMBRIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Oh, Nivard! Marvellous! Thank you, especially for citing the sources! Trevor On 3 September 2014 23:13, Nivard Ovington Before the judges left Durham, they were pleased to reprieve James ALLAN > (the piper), and Thomas DAVISON condemned for horse stealing and > burglary. John MOSES, for a robbery in the house and shop of Benjamin > JACKSON of Barnardcastle, was left for execution > > Newcastle Courant Aug 20 1803 > > On Monday last, John MOSES was executed at Durham, pursuant to his > sentence at the assizes, for a burglary at Barnardcastle > > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > >

Hi Pat: Thank you for sharing this part of your family history. Even though it is from different lines, the sharing plants ideas in the reader's mind for follow through. I doubt there would be any contemporary copy of a newspaper report here from 1803. Even though ships brought in copies of the "home newspapers" during the colonial period, the first Australian colony was just 15 years old at the time of the execution, and not set up to store much in the way of archive apart from military and convict related data much of which has survived. However, I will enquire whether microform copies have been bought in locally, and see what I can find online. There must be some sort of listing of accessible newspapers. The crime for which John Moses was convicted (stealing of drapery) was committed in Barnard Castle and he was living in Cockfield. Surely the local press would have some reports of proceedings - I will hunt! Regards Trevor (Melbourne) On 3 September 2014 20:11, Pat Pierpoint via <northumbria@rootsweb.com> wrote: > Most of the references to > the robbery, and the subsequent execution and disposal of the bodies, are > contained in local newspapers of the time. Perhaps that is where you > should > be looking. There are various websites where you can look at old > newspapers > (British Newspaper Archive, etc) and you may find some of them on > ​ ​ > Ancestryor Find my Past. > ​.... > > > I'm not sure whether libraries in Australia would have these, but, if you > can access them somehow, you might also like to look at some of the > historical record books (laid out in datal order like diaries) such as John > Sykes' Local Records (Local Records; or Historical Register of Remarkable > Events in Northumberland, Durham, Newcastle upon Tyne and Berwick upon > Tweed), or the Local Historian's Table Book of Remarkable Occurrences, > Historical Division, by M.A. Richardson. Both of these publications > contained details of William Currie's crime and punishment. > > > Subject: [NMB] Execution records > > > > I cannot find official record for the execution of John Moses > > >

Geoff: Thank you for the input. I had an idea that, at that particular time, any such records would have been a palatinate matter rather than national. However, I will follow through with your suggestion to explore TNA. I will also search for newspapers on line. The fate of some executed prisoners ending on anatomists' dissection tables hadn't occurred to me; I rather thought (based on local custom here) that they would have been buried in the prison yard (with quicklime). Last night I read of one poor sod being sentenced to death by pressing. Messy business! Let me take this opportunity to thank you and other contributors for the marvellous input to guide my recent visit to Cumbria and Durham. I am much more familiar with the latter from earlier visits, but your commentary really enlightened my understanding of the Alston Moor area around Alston and Garrigill, especially. Trevor (Melbourne)

Hi again Trevor, Also found this page: http://www.britishexecutions.co.uk/execution-content.php?key=2914 which had the newspaper account listed below as well as the place of execution (Dryburn) and method (hanging). *Monday, 15 August 1803 (Newcastle Chronicle)* *John Moses* of Durham City, guilty of a burglary in the dwelling house of Benjamin Jackson on 10^th July 1803: stealing therefrom 70 yards of muslin (valued at £10), 7 cotton neck handkerchiefs (valued at 10/-), 20 pocket handkerchiefs (valued at £1) 5 pairs of cotton stockings (valued at 7/6), 20 pieces of printed cotton (valued at £100) and a harden wrapper (valued at 1/-). Trudi Barr, British Columbia, Canada