Yes, for some (a very few) transportation was the key to forging a new life through hard work, and for a few of them, that new life could lead on to financial and social success. To return from transportation was officially punishable by death but that was not always enforced. There was one case in Co Durham in the mid-19th century where a man had been caught and found guilty of stealing hay from a field. The judge said that he had thought at first of sentencing him to transportation. However, as the prisoner had already been transported twice, and had returned each time, he thought that would not be effective and therefore he imposed a prison sentence instead. Geoff Nicholson -----Original Message----- From: John Lynch via <northumbria@rootsweb.com> To: 'Rosemary Ackroyd' <missy00717@hotmail.com>; 'Northumberland Mailing List' <northumbria@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sun, 14 Sep 2014 13:44 Subject: Re: [NMB] Execution Records Well, I can certainly tell you that the brother of an ancestor of mine from Bedfordshire who was sentenced to transportation to Australia for seven years served his time, stayed on and sent for other members of his family. Their descendants are there still :-) John Lynch -----Original Message----- From: Rosemary Ackroyd [mailto:missy00717@hotmail.com] Sent: 14 September 2014 11:57 To: John Lynch; Northumberland Mailing List Subject: Re: [NMB] Execution Records I've certainly read (true or not, I'm not sure) that in some instances people committed crimes in the hope of being transported to Australia. Perhaps to follow a spouse. Seems a high risk strategy! Rosemary Ackroyd .. Please quote the minimum necessary to put your reply on context. Please introduce yourself at the top of every post. The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORTHUMBRIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Folks this is not quite for this site but maybe someone in Newcastle can help. I am looking for a picture of Quadrinis 3 wheel ice cream cart that came around the streets of Benwell where I lived in the 40's and 50's for my family as I have made a nostalgia corner on my wall to show life as I knew it in them days to my teen great grandchildren. Fran

Heather, I'm afraid I can't help you with Margaret Watson, but I was intrigued by Sludge Row. I found many references to it, but could not pinpoint it on a map. However, this extract from the National Archives might help: "Plan of Sludge Row Cottages and Fields" situated at Vigo on the south side of the road to Harraton. Scale: 2ch = 1in [1: 1584], 22 January 1821 This is from: http://apps.nationalarchives.gov.uk/a2a/records.aspx?cat=183-dtbel&cid=-1#-1 Regards, Russ >-----Original Message----- >From: northumbria-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:northumbria-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Heather A Punshon via >Sent: 13 September 2014 22:36 >To: northumbria@rootsweb.com >Subject: [NMB] Margaret KNIGHT 1881 help. > > (I don't know where Sludge Row is!)

Doreen: I would say the opposite. In the late 18th and early 19th century there was always the threat of hanging if one committed a serious crime, but in fact very few of those who did really were hanged. Some 30 years ago (guess) John Smith published a paper in the Bulletin of Durham County LHS in which he followed up all cases in that period in Durham where someone had been indicted of a capital offence. Some were never brought to court ("no bill"). Others were tried and found not guilty. Others were found guilty of a capital offence but not sentenced to capital punishment - mostly transported. Of those sentenced to death, most were reprieved, either upon appeal or at the last minute before execution. Only about 4% (another guess) of those capitally indicted are known to have been executed. Of course the real proportion may have been higher than that as some cases could not be followed right through and we don't know what happened top the people concerned. However, there were enough cases to be statistically impressive and the result was a number around the 4% I have quoted. It is no doubt worthwhile asking ourselves why the general impression is that hanging was used more often then it really was. I would suggest that some of the answer may be that, in the days of public execution, a hanging was the occasion for a large crowd to gather and effectively a "party" would be held. That is the sort of thing one doesn't forget. It is interesting that, later on, it was Miners' Galas which produced scenes in the streets of Durham which had previously been found only at executions. Hangings were also the occasion for the publication of large amounts of handbills and other ephemera by the opportunist printers of Durham (or Newcastle, wherever the execution was to be). Everything from the prisoners' confession to poems describing his (or her) crime, would be hawked around the crowds for a penny or two. Although intended to serve on that day alone, some of them would be taken home and kept as a souvenir of the great day out, especially by those who could actually read, and understand, them. That would keep the memory of the execution alive until the handbill finally fell to pieces. Geoff Nicholson -----Original Message----- From: Doreen Welch via <northumbria@rootsweb.com> To: Trevor <tjwilliams42@gmail.com>; northumbria <northumbria@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sat, 13 Sep 2014 22:10 Subject: Re: [NMB] Execution Records One didn't have to step very far at all over the lines to get oneself hanged! Wow! Makes that think. Doreen ________________________________ From: Trevor via <northumbria@rootsweb.com> To: Trudi Barr <tabarr@shaw.ca>; "northumbria@rootsweb.com" <northumbria@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, September 5, 2014 3:24 AM Subject: Re: [NMB] Execution Records Many thanks for locating that source, Trudi. It's a pretty brutal punishment, eh? Trevor. On Thursday, September 4, 2014, Trudi Barr via <northumbria@rootsweb.com> wrote: > Hi again Trevor, > > Also found this page: > http://www.britishexecutions.co.uk/execution-content.php?key=2914 > which had the newspaper account listed below as well as the place of > execution (Dryburn) and method (hanging). > > *Monday, 15 August 1803 (Newcastle Chronicle)* > > *John Moses* of Durham City, guilty of a burglary in the dwelling house > of Benjamin Jackson on 10^th July 1803: stealing therefrom 70 yards of > muslin (valued at £10), 7 cotton neck handkerchiefs (valued at 10/-), 20 > pocket handkerchiefs (valued at £1) 5 pairs of cotton stockings (valued > at 7/6), 20 pieces of printed cotton (valued at £100) and a harden > wrapper (valued at 1/-). > > Trudi Barr, British Columbia, Canada > > .. > Please quote the minimum necessary to put your reply on context. Please > introduce yourself at the top of every post. > > The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at > http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NORTHUMBRIA-request@rootsweb.com <javascript:;> with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > .. Please quote the minimum necessary to put your reply on context. Please introduce yourself at the top of every post. The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORTHUMBRIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message .. Please quote the minimum necessary to put your reply on context. Please introduce yourself at the top of every post. The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORTHUMBRIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I am trying to find more about my 3x grandfather's sister Margaret, but have been unable to spot her on the 1881 census. I wonder if anyone can help? She was born Margaret WATSON in about 1834 and married John KNIGHT at Gateshead Fell on June 9 1866. Her parents Edward and Isabella WATSON lived in Sludge Row, somewhere near Chester le Street. Edward died at Sludge Row and he was buried at Chester le Street on January 26th 1835. (I don't know where Sludge Row is!) I have birth marriage and death certificates to verify that I am following the right person - but somehow she just seems to have disappeared in 1881 She should be listed as Margaret KNIGHT aged about 46 and she should have a son Edward WATSON aged about 19. I cannot find either of them, together or separately. I have census records of Margaret as follows: 1851 CENSUS of Gateshead HO 107/2402 folio 604 13 56 South Ships Cote Daniel Robson, head, married, age 37, joiner Jane, wife, married, age 34 Jane, daughter, age 4 Martha, daughter, age 2 (all above born DUR, Gateshead) _Margaret WATSON, age 16 house servant, born DUR, Chester-le-Street_ Gateshead 1861 CENSUS RG 9 3805 76 5 30 Low Fell, Durham Road East Side Isabella WATSON head W 57 laundress Wylam, NBL _Margaret WATSON dau U 26 laundress Pelton, DUR_ Isabella PUNSHON gdau 8 Netherton, NBL Thomas G PUNSHON gson 3 Gateshead Fell, DUR MARRIED June 18 1866 to John William Knight at Gateshead Fell John Knight died 29 November 1867 in Gateshead Workhouse 1871 CENSUS RG 10 Piece 5062 folio 13 page 19 Gateshead, Sheriff Hill Union Place west side _Margaret Knight widow 34 ag labourer b Pelton Fell, DUR_ Edward Watson son 9 b Low Fell, DUR 1881 Census - NOT FOUND 1891 CENSUS 1 Union Lane, Gateshead RG 12 4185 64 27 _Margaret KNIGHT widow aged 55 charwoman_ boarding with Ann Lennox head widow aged 56 also a charwoman 1901 CENSUS RG 13 4760 67 66 440 Woodlands Gateshead St John's parish _Margaret KNIGHT aged 65 servant_ to an oil merchant Ralph Thompson and his wife Maud Mary Thompson Margaret died in the Dec Quarter of 1909 aged 74. (Certificate ordered ) Thanks for any help

One didn't have to step very far at all over the lines to get oneself hanged! Wow! Makes that think. Doreen ________________________________ From: Trevor via <northumbria@rootsweb.com> To: Trudi Barr <tabarr@shaw.ca>; "northumbria@rootsweb.com" <northumbria@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, September 5, 2014 3:24 AM Subject: Re: [NMB] Execution Records Many thanks for locating that source, Trudi. It's a pretty brutal punishment, eh? Trevor. On Thursday, September 4, 2014, Trudi Barr via <northumbria@rootsweb.com> wrote: > Hi again Trevor, > > Also found this page: > http://www.britishexecutions.co.uk/execution-content.php?key=2914 > which had the newspaper account listed below as well as the place of > execution (Dryburn) and method (hanging). > > *Monday, 15 August 1803 (Newcastle Chronicle)* > > *John Moses* of Durham City, guilty of a burglary in the dwelling house > of Benjamin Jackson on 10^th July 1803: stealing therefrom 70 yards of > muslin (valued at £10), 7 cotton neck handkerchiefs (valued at 10/-), 20 > pocket handkerchiefs (valued at £1) 5 pairs of cotton stockings (valued > at 7/6), 20 pieces of printed cotton (valued at £100) and a harden > wrapper (valued at 1/-). > > Trudi Barr, British Columbia, Canada > > .. > Please quote the minimum necessary to put your reply on context. Please > introduce yourself at the top of every post. > > The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at > http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NORTHUMBRIA-request@rootsweb.com <javascript:;> with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > .. Please quote the minimum necessary to put your reply on context. Please introduce yourself at the top of every post. The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORTHUMBRIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Just thought I should add that I¹m not researching the Watson line, I should be a Waide. However I believe the Watson whose surname I have, arrived in Dunedin, New Zealand prior to 1869 from Killean, Argylshire and subsequently married Elizabeth Stalker in Dunedin. Cheers Gwyneth Sydney On 10/09/14 7:12 PM, "Geoff Nicholson" <geoff.nicholson@aol.co.uk> wrote: > Susan: > > It may not be as obvious to those living outside the UK as it is to those > within it, that patronymics - ie in England surnames ending in -son, but > elsewhere Gaelic and other Celtic ones such as Mac, Mc, O' and Ap - are > extremely common all over this country and especially so in the North of > England. With Watson, for instance, there must at any time have been > hundreds, if not thousands, in Northumberland and Co Durham, the "Northumbria" > of this list. It is therefore a very long shot indeed to suggest that one > group of Watsons, taken more or less at random, may be related to any other > group, unless, of course, you have specific evidence of a link. > > Geoff Nicholson

For what it is worth, I run a WATSON Surname DNA project and within this (from all over the globe), I have 135 male testers who have concentrated on their DIRECT paternal DNA test. At this time, within these men, there are at least 37 very distinct families who have no genetic connection with another in the last 1,000 years and many "singletons"which will push the number 37 up to some 50+ families. (And this is classed as a very small project). I therefore, scientifically support Geoff's statement. Gail Riddell On 10/09/2014, at 9:12 PM, Geoff Nicholson via wrote: > > Susan: > > It may not be as obvious to those living outside the UK as it is to those within it, that patronymics - ie in England surnames ending in -son, but elsewhere Gaelic and other Celtic ones such as Mac, Mc, O' and Ap - are extremely common all over this country and especially so in the North of England. With Watson, for instance, there must at any time have been hundreds, if not thousands, in Northumberland and Co Durham, the "Northumbria" of this list. It is therefore a very long shot indeed to suggest that one group of Watsons, taken more or less at random, may be related to any other group, unless, of course, you have specific evidence of a link. > > Geoff Nicholson > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Gwyneth Watson User via <northumbria@rootsweb.com> > To: Susan C <fiberalley14@yahoo.com>; northumbria <northumbria@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wed, 10 Sep 2014 6:22 > Subject: Re: [NMB] Watson Family > > > Hi Susan, > > Ann Watson was the 2nd wife to Matthew Dods, it wasn't her second marriage > that I am aware of. > > Ann may have had sisters Dorothy, Margaret & Jane. I have a Dorothy Watson > married to Alexander Dods 21 July 1745. Children - Robert Dods Chr 11 Nov > 1746, Andrew Dods Chr 11 Dec 1746, Margaret Dods Chr 23 Oct 1748 and Thomas > Dods Chris 11 Aug 1751 died 19 Dec 1751, all I think Berwick. > > The info I have is Ann was Christened 11 May 1732 & Married 4 January 1770, > Bothal register and Died 5 May 1808 aged 78yrs, All Saints, Newcastle. > > Cheers Gwyneth > Sydney > > > > .. > Please quote the minimum necessary to put your reply on context. Please > introduce yourself at the top of every post. > > The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORTHUMBRIA-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of > the message > > > .. > Please quote the minimum necessary to put your reply on context. Please introduce yourself at the top of every post. > > The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORTHUMBRIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

While the name Watson is on folks minds, can anyone help with this one.  There are 4 baptisms between 1802 and 1809  at South Shields, St Hilda and Shields St John Presbyterian for children of Thomas Horseman, Cordwainer, native of Richmond, Yks;  and his wife Margaret Watson, native of Kelso, North Britain. There is a subsequent baptism for a daughter of William Horseman, Cordwainer, native of Richmond,  and his wife Mary Watson, native of Kelso.   >From the Richmond PR's I can account for Thomas,  but not William, so wonder if accents, and deaf clergy may have something to do with the difference.   What I wonder is can anyone point me to the marriage of any male Horsman / Horseman and female Watson,  sometime around 1800/1801. My suspicion is that it could be an 'Irregular' marriage which could be difficult to find.   Thanks   Sue Horsman

Hi Susan, Ann Watson was the 2nd wife to Matthew Dods, it wasn't her second marriage that I am aware of. Ann may have had sisters Dorothy, Margaret & Jane. I have a Dorothy Watson married to Alexander Dods 21 July 1745. Children - Robert Dods Chr 11 Nov 1746, Andrew Dods Chr 11 Dec 1746, Margaret Dods Chr 23 Oct 1748 and Thomas Dods Chris 11 Aug 1751 died 19 Dec 1751, all I think Berwick. The info I have is Ann was Christened 11 May 1732 & Married 4 January 1770, Bothal register and Died 5 May 1808 aged 78yrs, All Saints, Newcastle. Cheers Gwyneth Sydney

Hello Geoff, Gwyneth, and Gail, Thank you for your input regarding the WATSON families. I agree with Geoff, and I understand Gail's efforts in the DNA project. I tend to ask questions and make notes before moving on to something else. I hope I didn't annoy anyone! Regards, Susan On Wednesday, September 10, 2014 3:16 AM, Geoff Nicholson via <northumbria@rootsweb.com> wrote: Susan: It may not be as obvious to those living outside the UK as it is to those within it, that patronymics - ie in England surnames ending in -son, but elsewhere Gaelic and other Celtic ones such as Mac, Mc, O' and Ap - are extremely common all over this country and especially so in the North of England. With Watson, for instance, there must at any time have been hundreds, if not thousands, in Northumberland and Co Durham, the "Northumbria" of this list. It is therefore a very long shot indeed to suggest that one group of Watsons, taken more or less at random, may be related to any other group, unless, of course, you have specific evidence of a link. Geoff Nicholson -----Original Message----- From: Gwyneth Watson User via <northumbria@rootsweb.com> To: Susan C <fiberalley14@yahoo.com>; northumbria <northumbria@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wed, 10 Sep 2014 6:22 Subject: Re: [NMB] Watson Family Hi Susan, Ann Watson was the 2nd wife to Matthew Dods, it wasn't her second marriage that I am aware of. Ann may have had sisters Dorothy, Margaret & Jane. I have a Dorothy Watson married to Alexander Dods 21 July 1745. Children - Robert Dods Chr 11 Nov 1746, Andrew Dods Chr 11 Dec 1746, Margaret Dods Chr 23 Oct 1748 and Thomas Dods Chris 11 Aug 1751 died 19 Dec 1751, all I think Berwick. The info I have is Ann was Christened 11 May 1732 & Married 4 January 1770, Bothal register and Died 5 May 1808 aged 78yrs, All Saints, Newcastle. Cheers Gwyneth Sydney .. Please quote the minimum necessary to put your reply on context. Please introduce yourself at the top of every post. The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORTHUMBRIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message .. Please quote the minimum necessary to put your reply on context. Please introduce yourself at the top of every post. The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORTHUMBRIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Susan: It may not be as obvious to those living outside the UK as it is to those within it, that patronymics - ie in England surnames ending in -son, but elsewhere Gaelic and other Celtic ones such as Mac, Mc, O' and Ap - are extremely common all over this country and especially so in the North of England. With Watson, for instance, there must at any time have been hundreds, if not thousands, in Northumberland and Co Durham, the "Northumbria" of this list. It is therefore a very long shot indeed to suggest that one group of Watsons, taken more or less at random, may be related to any other group, unless, of course, you have specific evidence of a link. Geoff Nicholson -----Original Message----- From: Gwyneth Watson User via <northumbria@rootsweb.com> To: Susan C <fiberalley14@yahoo.com>; northumbria <northumbria@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wed, 10 Sep 2014 6:22 Subject: Re: [NMB] Watson Family Hi Susan, Ann Watson was the 2nd wife to Matthew Dods, it wasn't her second marriage that I am aware of. Ann may have had sisters Dorothy, Margaret & Jane. I have a Dorothy Watson married to Alexander Dods 21 July 1745. Children - Robert Dods Chr 11 Nov 1746, Andrew Dods Chr 11 Dec 1746, Margaret Dods Chr 23 Oct 1748 and Thomas Dods Chris 11 Aug 1751 died 19 Dec 1751, all I think Berwick. The info I have is Ann was Christened 11 May 1732 & Married 4 January 1770, Bothal register and Died 5 May 1808 aged 78yrs, All Saints, Newcastle. Cheers Gwyneth Sydney .. Please quote the minimum necessary to put your reply on context. Please introduce yourself at the top of every post. The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORTHUMBRIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The baptism is also on FreeReg along with a marriage of a Ralph Harrison to a Jane Stote and a Jane Leonard Regards Jim On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 3:35 PM, Ruth Bowden via <northumbria@rootsweb.com> wrote: > Hi Joan, > I have found the original Baptism of Dorothy Harrison - I will try > and send it to you privately as this email is refusing to let me do so. > > It states : > > October 21st 1827 - Dorothy - daughter of Ralph & Ellen Harrison - Abode - > Fawdon - Father's occupation - Pitman > > Go to the LDS Family History site - England, Durham Diocese B...'s > Transcripts, 1639-1919 Northumberland - Gosforth - 1762-1846. Once you've > got there, the image no you need is - 430 > > Regards, > > Ruth Bowden > > > > > > > > I think I am going to have to sight the original record of Dorothy > Harrison's christening if at all possible. I will explain, and perhaps > someone can help me. > I have her christening 21 Oct. 1827, Gosforth, Northumberland, father Ralph > Harrison, mother Ellen. Ralph Harrison married Jane Leonard 9 Dec 1826, > Newcastle, Northumberland. I can't find a marriage for Ralph Harrison and > Ellen. 1841 census I have found the family living at 44 Ox Close, Kelloe, > Durham, Ralph, Jane and children, Dorothy being one of them. Some questions > are raised: is Ellen the mother of Dorothy? If so, were Ralph Harrison and > Ellen married, or not? The original record might give me the answer. I > have > tried to sort this out previously, but put it into the too hard basket. > Would anyone know where the original record would be held? Thanks Joan > .. > Please quote the minimum necessary to put your reply on context. Please > introduce yourself at the top of every post. > > The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at > http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NORTHUMBRIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > .. > Please quote the minimum necessary to put your reply on context. Please > introduce yourself at the top of every post. > > The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at > http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NORTHUMBRIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Joan, I have found the original Baptism of Dorothy Harrison - I will try and send it to you privately as this email is refusing to let me do so. It states : October 21st 1827 - Dorothy - daughter of Ralph & Ellen Harrison - Abode - Fawdon - Father's occupation - Pitman Go to the LDS Family History site - England, Durham Diocese B...'s Transcripts, 1639-1919 Northumberland - Gosforth - 1762-1846. Once you've got there, the image no you need is - 430 Regards, Ruth Bowden I think I am going to have to sight the original record of Dorothy Harrison's christening if at all possible. I will explain, and perhaps someone can help me. I have her christening 21 Oct. 1827, Gosforth, Northumberland, father Ralph Harrison, mother Ellen. Ralph Harrison married Jane Leonard 9 Dec 1826, Newcastle, Northumberland. I can't find a marriage for Ralph Harrison and Ellen. 1841 census I have found the family living at 44 Ox Close, Kelloe, Durham, Ralph, Jane and children, Dorothy being one of them. Some questions are raised: is Ellen the mother of Dorothy? If so, were Ralph Harrison and Ellen married, or not? The original record might give me the answer. I have tried to sort this out previously, but put it into the too hard basket. Would anyone know where the original record would be held? Thanks Joan .. Please quote the minimum necessary to put your reply on context. Please introduce yourself at the top of every post. The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORTHUMBRIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I think I am going to have to sight the original record of Dorothy Harrison's christening if at all possible. I will explain, and perhaps someone can help me. I have her christening 21 Oct. 1827, Gosforth, Northumberland, father Ralph Harrison, mother Ellen. Ralph Harrison married Jane Leonard 9 Dec 1826, Newcastle, Northumberland. I can't find a marriage for Ralph Harrison and Ellen. 1841 census I have found the family living at 44 Ox Close, Kelloe, Durham, Ralph, Jane and children, Dorothy being one of them. Some questions are raised: is Ellen the mother of Dorothy? If so, were Ralph Harrison and Ellen married, or not? The original record might give me the answer. I have tried to sort this out previously, but put it into the too hard basket. Would anyone know where the original record would be held? Thanks Joan

Hi again Trevor, Sorry other one went into the ether. I have Ann WATSON B C1732, daughter of Robert Watson and Margaret WALKER, M Bothal 1730. Ann was the 2nd wife of Matthew DODDS, M 1770, Bothal and died Quayside, Newcastle, 5 April 1808. 2 sons, Matthew & John 1779-1829. Cheers Gwyneth Sydney

Hi Trevor, I have Ann Watson born C1732 daughter of Robert On 8/09/14 1:50 PM, "Trevor via" <northumbria@rootsweb.com> wrote: > Hi Evelyn > > Thanks for the input. My purpose in posting was to let an earlier poster > know that I had some DOVE information that might have been of interest. > > My own interest in DOVE dates from William DOVE b. 1792, Darlington. He > married Rachel PARKER of Bentham, YKS. Since it is the PARKER line in which > there is a blood connection, I do not have an interest in DOVE antecedents > before this marriage, but I am tracing their descendants. > > William and Rachel had a number of children that I am aware of. For > example, Charles Parker DOVE b. Darlington 11 Aug 1827, bapt 7 Sept 1827. > He married Eleanor MORRIS 15 Nov 1855. Bolton le Moors, Lancs. They > settled in Headingly, YKS > > There are a lot of others but most of the connections are in Yorkshire, so > off topic for this list. > > Eleanor's parents were James MORRIS of Bolton, and Eleanor TOULMIN b. 20 > April 1808 Houghton le Skerne and married 31 May 1831, Darlington, St > Cuthbert. > > Someone has posted an extensive TOULMIN tree on the net and it includes > PARKER. Unfortunately it also contains some errors but it is, nevertheless > useful. Google for it. > > I have no JAMIESON connection but I do have a great number of WATSON, none > of whom seem to be connected with PARKER or DOVE. Most come from the area > around Washington, Cockfield, Toft Hill, Hamsterley, Bishop Auckland and > Ingleton in the 18th & 19th centuries. I also have a few from Yorkshire > and Lancashire. > > Trevor > > On 8 September 2014 03:00, Ken & Evelyn MacCallum <kemac99@btinternet.com> > wrote: > >> I have Doves from Newcastle on Tyne 1670 ish to 1734 and Parkers from >> County Durham 18th century. My youngest Dove , Eleanor, married a >> Jamieson in 1755, Newcastle on Tyne. >> >> John Parker's (1776 -1841) eldest daughter Elizabeth Parker (b1807 ) line >> married John Watson. She had several siblings Ann, John, Mary Sara and >> Frances. I haven't checked who they married yet. >> If it's any help I'll let you know more info. >> Regards >> Evelyn >> >> > .. > Please quote the minimum necessary to put your reply on context. Please > introduce yourself at the top of every post. > > The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at > http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NORTHUMBRIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Marilyn: I notice that they married in Monkwearmouth and I know they had children baptised at Sunderland and at Bishopwearmouth in the period after 1812, so I think it reasonable to assume they were in the Monkwearmouth/Sunderland district between 1808 and 1812. Given that their later children were baptised in the Church of England parish church it also seems reasonable that they would have had earlier ones, baptised before 1812 in one of the parish churches in the Sunderland district. I approach things this way in order to be able to say there should be baptism entries available in the expanded format in use during the "Barrington Period" (1798-1812). They should confirm that Mary was Mary Dove, as indeed does the marriage entry, and should also tell you the names of the parishes of which each parent was a native (ie in which they had been born). Knowing those parishes you will therefore know where to look for earlier generations. Having said all that I should also say that Goodchild is a surname I associate with Bishopwearmouth parish, where they were quite prominent. Dove is not a particularly Sunderland surname but a family of that name were prominent in Tynemouth parish, including in Cullercoats, in the later nineteenth century, but I think their roots went back much further there. The marine laboratory at Cullercoats is or was officially the Dove Marine Laboratory - although run privately, as I understand it, by Newcastle University, when I was a lad (way back in the mists of time) it was open to the public as an aquarium, and a "Must-go" port of call whenever in Cullercoats. If you live near Durham City you can view the Sunderland etc parish registers (on microfilm) in Durham Record Office, where the originals are kept. They are also available in Sunderland Public Library and in Tyne and Wear Archives (Newcastle). The H M Wood transcripts in Newcastle Central Library are good, comprehensive ones with all details and make a good substitute. If you are too far away to use them you should look at the BTs, available on the LDS "FamilySearch" website. Geoff Nicholson -----Original Message----- From: Marilyn Ing via <northumbria@rootsweb.com> To: northumbria <northumbria@rootsweb.com> Sent: Mon, 8 Sep 2014 16:34 Subject: Re: [NMB] NORTHUMBRIA Digest, Vol 9, Issue 170 - DOVE Subject: Re: [NMB] Dove family Thought I would weigh in with my Doves. I have Mary Dove (Sunderland) m. Robert Goodchild Sept 2, 1808. Their daughter Ellenor was my Great Grandmother. Marilyn *********** .. Please quote the minimum necessary to put your reply on context. Please introduce yourself at the top of every post. The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORTHUMBRIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Evelyn Thanks for the input. My purpose in posting was to let an earlier poster know that I had some DOVE information that might have been of interest. My own interest in DOVE dates from William DOVE b. 1792, Darlington. He married Rachel PARKER of Bentham, YKS. Since it is the PARKER line in which there is a blood connection, I do not have an interest in DOVE antecedents before this marriage, but I am tracing their descendants. William and Rachel had a number of children that I am aware of. For example, Charles Parker DOVE b. Darlington 11 Aug 1827, bapt 7 Sept 1827. He married Eleanor MORRIS 15 Nov 1855. Bolton le Moors, Lancs. They settled in Headingly, YKS There are a lot of others but most of the connections are in Yorkshire, so off topic for this list. Eleanor's parents were James MORRIS of Bolton, and Eleanor TOULMIN b. 20 April 1808 Houghton le Skerne and married 31 May 1831, Darlington, St Cuthbert. Someone has posted an extensive TOULMIN tree on the net and it includes PARKER. Unfortunately it also contains some errors but it is, nevertheless useful. Google for it. I have no JAMIESON connection but I do have a great number of WATSON, none of whom seem to be connected with PARKER or DOVE. Most come from the area around Washington, Cockfield, Toft Hill, Hamsterley, Bishop Auckland and Ingleton in the 18th & 19th centuries. I also have a few from Yorkshire and Lancashire. Trevor On 8 September 2014 03:00, Ken & Evelyn MacCallum <kemac99@btinternet.com> wrote: > I have Doves from Newcastle on Tyne 1670 ish to 1734 and Parkers from > County Durham 18th century. My youngest Dove , Eleanor, married a > Jamieson in 1755, Newcastle on Tyne. > > John Parker's (1776 -1841) eldest daughter Elizabeth Parker (b1807 ) line > married John Watson. She had several siblings Ann, John, Mary Sara and > Frances. I haven't checked who they married yet. > If it's any help I'll let you know more info. > Regards > Evelyn > >

Subject: Re: [NMB] Dove family Thought I would weigh in with my Doves. I have Mary Dove (Sunderland) m. Robert Goodchild Sept 2, 1808. Their daughter Ellenor was my Great Grandmother. Marilyn ***********