Many thanks, Helen. Trevor On Tuesday, January 20, 2015, Helen via <northumbria@rootsweb.com> wrote: > On 20/01/2015 12:51, Trevor via wrote: > > Looking through some 18th century Durham Probate indexes, I notice the > use > > of "will bond", "penal sum" and, occasionally, "administration bond". > > > > Can someone kindly explain the meaning/significance of these terms? > > > > Thank you > > > > Trevor > > (Melbourne) > > .. > > > Hi Trevor, > You can find most of the answers here > > http://familyrecords.dur.ac.uk/nei/NEI_probate.htm > > http://familyrecords.dur.ac.uk/nei/NEI_records.htm > > -- > Helen Oram > > .. > Please quote the minimum necessary to put your reply on context. Please > introduce yourself at the top of every post. > > The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at > http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NORTHUMBRIA-request@rootsweb.com <javascript:;> with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Looking through some 18th century Durham Probate indexes, I notice the use of "will bond", "penal sum" and, occasionally, "administration bond". Can someone kindly explain the meaning/significance of these terms? Thank you Trevor (Melbourne)

>-----Original Message----- >From: northumbria-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:northumbria-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Janet Hasler via >Sent: 20 January 2015 17:18 >To: northumbria@rootsweb.com >Subject: [NMB] BAPTISM RECORD > >Could you tell me what sponsores means > > Janet, I have no particular knowledge of this subject, but a search revealed this: What is the role of a godparent or sponsor? Contrary to popular belief, godparents have no legal guardianship over the child. In a baptism, a godparent is a Christian who undertakes to support the parents in bringing up the the child in the Christian faith - as followers of Jesus Christ. Because of this, it is expected that godparents will also be Christians and have an active and real faith in Jesus Christ. In a thanksgiving service, the sponsor is someone who promises to support the family. It is from this website: http://www.uplymechurch.org.uk/services/baptism/baby-baptism-faq/ Regards, Russ

Hi I wonder if anyone could explain something to me on a baptism record for 1792 it says at the bottom the SPONSORES were. Could you tell me what sponsores means Thank you to anyone who may be able to help me Jan

On 20/01/2015 12:51, Trevor via wrote: > Looking through some 18th century Durham Probate indexes, I notice the use > of "will bond", "penal sum" and, occasionally, "administration bond". > > Can someone kindly explain the meaning/significance of these terms? > > Thank you > > Trevor > (Melbourne) > .. > Hi Trevor, You can find most of the answers here http://familyrecords.dur.ac.uk/nei/NEI_probate.htm http://familyrecords.dur.ac.uk/nei/NEI_records.htm -- Helen Oram

Janet The sponsors at a  baptism  are also known as godparents. Heather Sent from Samsung tablet -------- Original message -------- From: Janet Hasler via <northumbria@rootsweb.com> Date:2015/01/20 11:18 (GMT-06:00) To: northumbria@rootsweb.com Subject: [NMB] BAPTISM RECORD Hi I wonder if anyone could explain something to me on a baptism record for 1792 it says at the bottom the SPONSORES were. Could you tell me what sponsores means Thank you to anyone who may be able to help me Jan .. Please quote the minimum necessary to put your reply on context. Please introduce yourself at the top of every post. The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORTHUMBRIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Gwyneth. Edwin Dodds was a very interesting person. I came across his name and information about him when researching my great great grandfather George Dodds (was mayor of Tyneside in his last years). For some reason I decided george and Edwin were probably related, but I can't remember why. I'd be interested to hear about what you learn about Edwin and his family history. Regards, Carolyn

-----Original Message----- From: Geoff Nicholson <geoff.nicholson@aol.co.uk> To: waitakerewest <waitakerewest@gmail.com>; northumbria <northumbria@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tue, 20 Jan 2015 10:45 Subject: Re: [NMB] Edwin DODDS Carolyn: While I don't want to intrude in what you seem to be making a private conversation, you have put it onto an "open" List for all to see, so here goes with my one brief comment. There is not, and never has been, such a title as "Mayor of Tyneside". Perhaps he was Mayor of some town which forms part of the general Tyneside conurbation, such as Tynemouth or Wallsend, but not of "Tyneside". I note that William Richardson's "History of the Parish of Wallsend", first published in 1923, mentions a Michael Dodd who was elected to the first Northumberland County Council in 1889 as one of three Councillors for a group of Wards in the Wallsend district. After a re-arrangement of Ward boundaries he was re-elected without opposition in 1895, for Howden and Willington Quay. He was made an Alderman on 14 March 1895, and as such did not need to stand for re-election again. It is possible this Michael Dodd was related to your Dodd family. However, as both Dodd and Dodds are very common local surnames that by no means has to follow and perhaps they are totally unrelated. On the other hand, an active interest in politics does tend to run in families to this day (even among supporters of parties opposed to the hereditary system!) so he could also be a, possibly more distant, relative. A County Alderman is not a Mayor but he undoubtedly would have been a big fish in a moderately-sized pond! Geoff Nicholson -----Original Message----- From: Carolyn Skelton via <northumbria@rootsweb.com> To: Gwyneth Watson User <cannycot@gmail.com>; northumbria <northumbria@rootsweb.com> Sent: Mon, 19 Jan 2015 19:53 Subject: Re: [NMB] Edwin DODDS Hi Gwyneth. Edwin Dodds was a very interesting person. I came across his name and information about him when researching my great great grandfather George Dodds (was mayor of Tyneside in his last years). For some reason I decided george and Edwin were probably related, but I can't remember why. I'd be interested to hear about what you learn about Edwin and his family history. Regards, Carolyn .. Please quote the minimum necessary to put your reply on context. Please introduce yourself at the top of every post. The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORTHUMBRIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Carolyn: While I don't want to intrude in what you seem to be making a private conversation, you have put it onto an "open" List for all to see, so here goes with my one brief comment. There is not, and never has been, such a title as "Mayor of Tyneside". Perhaps he was Mayor of some town which forms part of the general Tyneside conurbation, such as Tynemouth or Wallsend, but not of "Tyneside". I note that William Richardson's "History of the Parish of Wallsend", first published in 1923, mentions a Michael Dodd who was elected to the first Northumberland County Council in 1889 as one of three Councillors for a group of Wards in the Wallsend district. After a re-arrangement of Ward boundaries he was re-elected without opposition in 1895, for Howden and Willington Quay. He was made an Alderman on 14 March 1895, and as such did not need to stand for re-election again. It is possible this Michael Dodd was related to your Dodd family. However, as both Dodd and Dodds are very common local surnames that by no means has to follow and perhaps they are totally unrelated. On the other hand, an active interest in politics does tend to run in families to this day (even among supporters of parties opposed to the hereditary system!) so he could also be a, possibly more distant, relative. A County Alderman is not a Mayor but he undoubtedly would have been a big fish in a moderately-sized pond! Geoff Nicholson -----Original Message----- From: Carolyn Skelton via <northumbria@rootsweb.com> To: Gwyneth Watson User <cannycot@gmail.com>; northumbria <northumbria@rootsweb.com> Sent: Mon, 19 Jan 2015 19:53 Subject: Re: [NMB] Edwin DODDS Hi Gwyneth. Edwin Dodds was a very interesting person. I came across his name and information about him when researching my great great grandfather George Dodds (was mayor of Tyneside in his last years). For some reason I decided george and Edwin were probably related, but I can't remember why. I'd be interested to hear about what you learn about Edwin and his family history. Regards, Carolyn .. Please quote the minimum necessary to put your reply on context. Please introduce yourself at the top of every post. The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORTHUMBRIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Rikki, I have Browns in my tree and they are all from North Shields. I was wondering do you have an Isabella born C1850.Thank youJANITA On Tuesday, 13 January 2015, 23:31, Rikki via <northumbria@rootsweb.com> wrote: Many thanks for all the responses to this request. I am sure that he was born on Tyneside because of some family tradition but mostly because of the marine work of his father. I have looked around the surrounding places as well - I simply stated Newcastle as that was what was recorded in the census. Younger siblings were born in other UK ports and one in Brazil. Rikki .. Please quote the minimum necessary to put your reply on context. Please introduce yourself at the top of every post. The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORTHUMBRIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Geoff, Thankyou very much for your reply. After writing to the list I searched on the internet for Leasingthorne and found that it was a colliery village about 1 mile South of Merrington and not too far from Coundon and Bishop Auckland. The WHITFIELD family I am researching were mostly Damask manufacturers in Stockton on Tees with the earliest couple, John and Mary Whitfield noted in the baptism registers of St. Thomas' Stockton as being of Hartburn. Leasingthorne just came up as the residence of a Whitfield in a will I found on the Durham Will Project site linked to familysearch. Regards Jenny DeAngelis << I'm not sure whether Leasingthorne ever became - or is - a Church of England ecclesiastical parish in its own right, but in 1720 it definitely was not. At that time there were really only the old "ancient" parishes in existence - that is, those existing in 1600. Very few new parishes were created until the mid-19th century, when industrialisation created concentrations of population in places which even the Church of England could not ignore. Other denominations, such as the various Connexions of the Methodists, were much quicker in catering for those places and the typical 19th century pit village, for instance, probably had a Wesleyan Methodist Church at one end and a Primitive Methodist one at the other, with the nearest C of E Parish Church a mile or two away!>>

Many thanks for all the responses to this request. I am sure that he was born on Tyneside because of some family tradition but mostly because of the marine work of his father. I have looked around the surrounding places as well - I simply stated Newcastle as that was what was recorded in the census. Younger siblings were born in other UK ports and one in Brazil. Rikki

Rikki wrote "My current brick-wall is my maternal grandfather, George Brown… he was born in 1852…. His parents were Joseph Brown and Sarah Clark. Joseph was a marine engineer and it is possible that his pregnant wife was with him and happened to give birth while they were in Newcastle…. ….I have bought copies of birth certificates for George Brown in the Newcastle area for 1850 to 1855." My question would be what do you mean by the Newcastle Area ? Is Newcastle not being used as shorthand for somewhere on the Tyne ? The Father was a Marine Engineer from Leith, the port of Edinburgh; the coastal shipping trade was very active, I would be looking at places such as Tynemouth (North Shields) in Northumberland and South Shields in Durham as likely places where a visiting set of parents may have registered the birth if they where as it seems living “on board” ? Good luck Colin C

There is more than one Newcastle in the UK.   You could try Newcastle under Lyme. .  Failing that, he could have been born in one of several areas near Newcastle upon Tyne,  such as Gateshead,  Tynemouth,  South Shields,  etc..  You  don't say if you have tried those places.  Hope this helps Heather Sent from Samsung tablet -------- Original message -------- From: Joyce via <northumbria@rootsweb.com> Date:2015/01/13 04:13 (GMT+00:00) To: Rikki <rikki@ruken39.wanadoo.co.uk>,northumbria@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NMB] George Brown -----Original Message----- From: Rikki via Sent: Monday, January 12, 2015 8:44 AM To: northumbria@rootsweb.com Subject: [NMB] George Brown Rikki Did your George Brown die 19 January 1925 in Leith, Edinburgh, Scotland - Seafield Cemetery and Crematorium and was married to Catherine Cameron died 7 February 1943 Leith, Edinburgh, Scotland - Seafield Cemetery and Crematorium. I have been unable to find his birth and wonder if Newcastle Tyne and Wear Northumberland is the right place? Dear Listers, My current brick-wall is my maternal grandfather, George Brown. By calculation from census returns and his gravestone, he was born in 1852. He lived and worked in Scotland, living mostly in Leith. All census returns except one state he was born in England - the one exception mentions Newcastle as the place of birth. His parents were Joseph Brown and Sarah Clark. Joseph was a marine engineer and it is possible that his pregnant wife was with him and happened to give birth while they were in Newcastle. I have bought copies of birth certificates for George Brown in the Newcastle area for 1850 to 1855 - none has the right parents (despite stating on the order that I knew the parents to be Joseph and Sarah, I was still sent 'wrong' ones). I have also trawled the equivalent years for Scotland with no more joy. Can anyone suggest where else I might look to find this birth? It is the last part of this man's existance that I cannot prove on paper. Many thanks, Rikki. .. Please quote the minimum necessary to put your reply on context. Please introduce yourself at the top of every post. The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORTHUMBRIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2015.0.5645 / Virus Database: 4257/8912 - Release Date: 01/11/15 .. Please quote the minimum necessary to put your reply on context. Please introduce yourself at the top of every post. The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORTHUMBRIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Rikki: Further to me last reply, I note that the NDFHS holds a birth certificate in its "Unwanted Certificates" collection, referring to a George Brown, born on 25 March 1852 in Westoe (South Shields). It just might be worth your while checking on that one. Geoff Nicholson -----Original Message----- From: Geoff Nicholson via <northumbria@rootsweb.com> To: rikki <rikki@ruken39.wanadoo.co.uk>; northumbria <northumbria@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tue, 13 Jan 2015 10:14 Subject: Re: [NMB] George Brown Rikki: Apart from other Newcastles, have you tried searching the RDs around that of Newcastle? I am thinking particularly of those south of the Tyne (Gateshead, South Shields, etc), as many people say "Newcastle" when what they really mean is "Tyneside", Newcastle being by far the biggest and most populous of the towns on the Tyne. Geoff Nicholson -----Original Message----- From: Rikki via <northumbria@rootsweb.com> To: northumbria <northumbria@rootsweb.com> Sent: Mon, 12 Jan 2015 16:58 Subject: [NMB] George Brown Dear Listers, My current brick-wall is my maternal grandfather, George Brown. By calculation from census returns and his gravestone, he was born in 1852. He lived and worked in Scotland, living mostly in Leith. All census returns except one state he was born in England - the one exception mentions Newcastle as the place of birth. His parents were Joseph Brown and Sarah Clark. Joseph was a marine engineer and it is possible that his pregnant wife was with him and happened to give birth while they were in Newcastle. I have bought copies of birth certificates for George Brown in the Newcastle area for 1850 to 1855 - none has the right parents (despite stating on the order that I knew the parents to be Joseph and Sarah, I was still sent 'wrong' ones). I have also trawled the equivalent years for Scotland with no more joy. Can anyone suggest where else I might look to find this birth? It is the last part of this man's existance that I cannot prove on paper. Many thanks, Rikki. .. Please quote the minimum necessary to put your reply on context. Please introduce yourself at the top of every post. The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORTHUMBRIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message .. Please quote the minimum necessary to put your reply on context. Please introduce yourself at the top of every post. The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORTHUMBRIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Rikki: Apart from other Newcastles, have you tried searching the RDs around that of Newcastle? I am thinking particularly of those south of the Tyne (Gateshead, South Shields, etc), as many people say "Newcastle" when what they really mean is "Tyneside", Newcastle being by far the biggest and most populous of the towns on the Tyne. Geoff Nicholson -----Original Message----- From: Rikki via <northumbria@rootsweb.com> To: northumbria <northumbria@rootsweb.com> Sent: Mon, 12 Jan 2015 16:58 Subject: [NMB] George Brown Dear Listers, My current brick-wall is my maternal grandfather, George Brown. By calculation from census returns and his gravestone, he was born in 1852. He lived and worked in Scotland, living mostly in Leith. All census returns except one state he was born in England - the one exception mentions Newcastle as the place of birth. His parents were Joseph Brown and Sarah Clark. Joseph was a marine engineer and it is possible that his pregnant wife was with him and happened to give birth while they were in Newcastle. I have bought copies of birth certificates for George Brown in the Newcastle area for 1850 to 1855 - none has the right parents (despite stating on the order that I knew the parents to be Joseph and Sarah, I was still sent 'wrong' ones). I have also trawled the equivalent years for Scotland with no more joy. Can anyone suggest where else I might look to find this birth? It is the last part of this man's existance that I cannot prove on paper. Many thanks, Rikki. .. Please quote the minimum necessary to put your reply on context. Please introduce yourself at the top of every post. The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORTHUMBRIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

-----Original Message----- From: Rikki via Sent: Monday, January 12, 2015 8:44 AM To: northumbria@rootsweb.com Subject: [NMB] George Brown Rikki Did your George Brown die 19 January 1925 in Leith, Edinburgh, Scotland - Seafield Cemetery and Crematorium and was married to Catherine Cameron died 7 February 1943 Leith, Edinburgh, Scotland - Seafield Cemetery and Crematorium. I have been unable to find his birth and wonder if Newcastle Tyne and Wear Northumberland is the right place? Dear Listers, My current brick-wall is my maternal grandfather, George Brown. By calculation from census returns and his gravestone, he was born in 1852. He lived and worked in Scotland, living mostly in Leith. All census returns except one state he was born in England - the one exception mentions Newcastle as the place of birth. His parents were Joseph Brown and Sarah Clark. Joseph was a marine engineer and it is possible that his pregnant wife was with him and happened to give birth while they were in Newcastle. I have bought copies of birth certificates for George Brown in the Newcastle area for 1850 to 1855 - none has the right parents (despite stating on the order that I knew the parents to be Joseph and Sarah, I was still sent 'wrong' ones). I have also trawled the equivalent years for Scotland with no more joy. Can anyone suggest where else I might look to find this birth? It is the last part of this man's existance that I cannot prove on paper. Many thanks, Rikki. .. Please quote the minimum necessary to put your reply on context. Please introduce yourself at the top of every post. The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORTHUMBRIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2015.0.5645 / Virus Database: 4257/8912 - Release Date: 01/11/15

Dear Listers, My current brick-wall is my maternal grandfather, George Brown. By calculation from census returns and his gravestone, he was born in 1852. He lived and worked in Scotland, living mostly in Leith. All census returns except one state he was born in England - the one exception mentions Newcastle as the place of birth. His parents were Joseph Brown and Sarah Clark. Joseph was a marine engineer and it is possible that his pregnant wife was with him and happened to give birth while they were in Newcastle. I have bought copies of birth certificates for George Brown in the Newcastle area for 1850 to 1855 - none has the right parents (despite stating on the order that I knew the parents to be Joseph and Sarah, I was still sent 'wrong' ones). I have also trawled the equivalent years for Scotland with no more joy. Can anyone suggest where else I might look to find this birth? It is the last part of this man's existance that I cannot prove on paper. Many thanks, Rikki.

>From Meg Hartford. Jenny, The village of Leasingthorn is near Coundon, Bishop Auckland. Meg > On 12 Jan 2015, at 12:18, Jenny De Angelis via <northumbria@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > I wonder if anyone can tell me where the parish of Leasingthorn is within > County Durham. >

regarding my earlier message re John WHITFIELD of Leasingthorn. Since sending that message I searched the web and found that Leasingthorne came/comes into the Merrington area of County Durham. Regards Jenny