>From Hazel in the UK Figured this one out. James Rainey married: Surname First name(s) District Vol Page Marriages Jun 1878 (>99%) Chasteney Robert Tynemouth 10b 249 Scan available - click to view Dunleary Catherine Tynemouth 10b 249 Scan available - click to view GILHESPIE Catherine Tynemouth 10b 249 Scan available - click to view RAINEY James Tynemouth 10b 249 Scan available - click to view If this was my problem, I would attempt to locate James & Catherine in 1911, then work backwards with James in the hope that some clue would arise from family members. Also search backwards for Catherine under both surnames. Bottom line, order the marriage certificate, although I have no idea how long that would take from New Zealand. Regards Hazel > I am new to this list and hoping someone can help me out on the name of > Raine/Rainey > My relative was Catherine Raine born 1915 to parents Andrew and Catherine > nee Charters. .. Please quote the minimum necessary to put your reply on context. Please introduce yourself at the top of every post. The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORTHUMBRIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

No doubt it is a fine site but PLEASE do remember that not everything you see on-line is correct! PLEASE DO check it all out by looking at the original records or at facsimiles of them - and think about the story that unfolds as set against the background of local history. Is it possible? If so, is it likely? Could there be any other interpretation of the facts? This goes for anything you see on-line - even if it has been written by myself! I recently found a supposed pedigree of my paternal grandmother's family (Storey, coal miners from Cumberland) on Ancestry. It was complete rubbish, but there was nowhere I could contact the perpetrator to tell them so. I therefore don't believe anything I read on Ancestry and not much of what I find on other sites. Geoff Nicholson -----Original Message----- From: CliffordAlls via <northumbria@rootsweb.com> To: northumbria <northumbria@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sun, 22 Mar 2015 11:15 Subject: Re: [NMB] Cuthbert and Ernest Vaux There is a mass of information about the VAUX family at http://ghgraham.org/cuthbertvaux1813.html This is a free genealogical site run by a man in Florida called George Graham. You can browse the family structure by using the hyperlinks there and by reference to the site index. This site began when George was inspired by his connection to the THOMPSON shipbuilding family on the Wear. It has expanded far beyond that now but at its core is a marvellous resource for Northumbrian genealogy. George welcomes pictures, so if anyone has some to share with him I am sure he would be delighted. His contact details are on the home page. Clifford Allison. .. Please quote the minimum necessary to put your reply on context. Please introduce yourself at the top of every post. The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORTHUMBRIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Karen Thanks for that -- I entirely agree! Regards Ruth _____ From: Karen Lynn [mailto:karenalynn@gmail.com] Sent: 21 March 2015 23:22 To: Ruth; northumbria@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NMB] Placename - County Durham Hi Ruth, I suspect Jeff is right, and it's Oakenshaw. In the 1871 Census it's been transcribed as Chenshaw, as John says ... but looking at it, it actually looks more like Oakenshaw. In 1861, she seems to have been recorded as Charles E, a son, but the age fits, and the birthplace as "Branspath" ... presumably Brancepath, which is adjacent to Oakenshaw. The marriage entry record records her as Charlotte Elizabeth Taggart, so the initial is also correct in 1861. Karen On 21 March 2015 at 21:28, Ruth via <northumbria@rootsweb.com> wrote: The 1911 census shows the birthplace of Charlotte Hansen as "Hoksenshaw". The code (226) is Darlington. Can anyone suggest the correct placename? Earlier censuses just has "Co. Durham". Many thanks Ruth .. Please quote the minimum necessary to put your reply on context. Please introduce yourself at the top of every post. The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORTHUMBRIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi John Yes, her father does appear to be confused as to his birthplace, but I think that is more down to enumerator error. By the time of the 1911 census which, of course, he completes himself, he states his birthplace to be Gettorf Holstein, Germany but with the words "I Clame Danmark" written over the top. A little research will show that the area where Gettorf lies had changed political "ownership" so he was probably stating his own feelings. He thinks of himself as Danish, but is being "politically correct" about the current geopolitical status of his home. Regards Ruth -----Original Message----- From: John Gallon [mailto:little.blobby2@btinternet.com] Sent: 21 March 2015 23:09 To: Ruth; northumbria@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NMB] Placename - County Durham The 1911 census shows the birthplace of Charlotte Hansen as "Hoksenshaw". >The code (226) is Darlington. >Can anyone suggest the correct placename? Earlier censuses just has >"Co. >Durham". > Many thanks >Ruth Dear Ruth, I found her in 1871 Census and her name was "Sehertette Taggart" (Charlotte Taggart) aged 15 born Chenshaw, Co. Durham. And that place is not in a the Durham Gazetteer. In the 1911 census her husband states he is German. yet in the 1881 census he states "Danmark". Also in the 1871 Census, Charlotte has a brother called Robert, born the same place. In the 1861 Census, Robert's place of birth is given as Branpeth (the way it is spelt in the census) and yet Charlotte is not with the family. Best of luck John Gallon (Volunteer & Mentor at TWAS) Walker, Newcastle upon Tyne little.blobby2@btinternet.com https://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~littleblobby/ <https://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/%7Elittleblobby/> https://www.freewebs.com/littleblobby/

Hi Ruth, I suspect Jeff is right, and it's Oakenshaw. In the 1871 Census it's been transcribed as Chenshaw, as John says ... but looking at it, it actually looks more like Oakenshaw. In 1861, she seems to have been recorded as Charles E, a son, but the age fits, and the birthplace as "Branspath" ... presumably Brancepath, which is adjacent to Oakenshaw. The marriage entry record records her as Charlotte Elizabeth Taggart, so the initial is also correct in 1861. Karen On 21 March 2015 at 21:28, Ruth via <northumbria@rootsweb.com> wrote: > The 1911 census shows the birthplace of Charlotte Hansen as "Hoksenshaw". > The code (226) is Darlington. > Can anyone suggest the correct placename? Earlier censuses just has "Co. > Durham". > > Many thanks > Ruth > .. > Please quote the minimum necessary to put your reply on context. Please > introduce yourself at the top of every post. > > The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at > http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NORTHUMBRIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

The 1911 census shows the birthplace of Charlotte Hansen as "Hoksenshaw". >The code (226) is Darlington. >Can anyone suggest the correct placename? Earlier censuses just has >"Co. >Durham". > Many thanks >Ruth Dear Ruth, I found her in 1871 Census and her name was "Sehertette Taggart" (Charlotte Taggart) aged 15 born Chenshaw, Co. Durham. And that place is not in a the Durham Gazetteer. In the 1911 census her husband states he is German. yet in the 1881 census he states "Danmark". Also in the 1871 Census, Charlotte has a brother called Robert, born the same place. In the 1861 Census, Robert's place of birth is given as Branpeth (the way it is spelt in the census) and yet Charlotte is not with the family. Best of luck John Gallon (Volunteer & Mentor at TWAS) Walker, Newcastle upon Tyne little.blobby2@btinternet.com https://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~littleblobby/ <https://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/%7Elittleblobby/> https://www.freewebs.com/littleblobby/

Hi Ruth, This is probzbly Oakenshaw which is close to Crook Jeff On 21/03/2015 9:28 PM, Ruth via wrote: > The 1911 census shows the birthplace of Charlotte Hansen as "Hoksenshaw". > The code (226) is Darlington. > Can anyone suggest the correct placename? Earlier censuses just has "Co. > Durham". > > Many thanks > Ruth > .. > Please quote the minimum necessary to put your reply on context. Please introduce yourself at the top of every post. > > The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORTHUMBRIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The 1911 census shows the birthplace of Charlotte Hansen as "Hoksenshaw". The code (226) is Darlington. Can anyone suggest the correct placename? Earlier censuses just has "Co. Durham". Many thanks Ruth

There is a mass of information about the VAUX family at http://ghgraham.org/cuthbertvaux1813.html This is a free genealogical site run by a man in Florida called George Graham. You can browse the family structure by using the hyperlinks there and by reference to the site index. This site began when George was inspired by his connection to the THOMPSON shipbuilding family on the Wear. It has expanded far beyond that now but at its core is a marvellous resource for Northumbrian genealogy. George welcomes pictures, so if anyone has some to share with him I am sure he would be delighted. His contact details are on the home page. Clifford Allison.

A few years ago, I was researching the VAUX family as my gt.gt.gt... Grandmother was Margaret Vaux (Who married into the TEMPERLEY family) who is linked into the VAUX brewing family. I have a transcript of the Corder Vaux pages somewhere, that I made myself from the library. It's always puzzled me how Cuthbert Vaux was the founder of the brewery, and the brewery was started in 1806 (As per beer mats and a vaux mirror I have), but Cuthbert Vaux was actually born 1813?? Is this just a mistake from history that was never corrected? Would be interested to know what else Lancelot Barron has in his collection of Vaux bits and pieces? Regards, Andrew -----Original Message----- From: northumbria-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:northumbria-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Geoff Nicholson via Sent: 21 March 2015 09:33 To: david972scott@btinternet.com; northumbria@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NMB] Cuthbert and Ernest Vaux I'm pretty sure they will be the subject of one of the pedigrees in the Corder MSS. Unfortunately that collection, compiled in the early 20th century, has never been published but they are in Sunderland Central Reference Library (Local Studies Dept), Fawcett Street, Sunderland, Tyne and Wear. An enquiry there might produce great results. I am assuming, because of the rarity of the surname locally, that this is the brewing family, or a branch of it. I should probably here mention that because of deterioration of the Corder MSS themselves, through lots of use, they have all been photocopied, and those copies have been bound up like the originals. However, Corder's handwriting was so strange, and made so much more difficult to read by the photocopying, that you might find them very difficult to decipher. Still, it's well worth a try. Geoff Nicholson -----Original Message----- From: David Scott via <northumbria@rootsweb.com> To: northumbria <northumbria@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sat, 21 Mar 2015 7:04 Subject: [NMB] Cuthbert and Ernest Vaux I wonder whether anyone is researching the Vaux family of Bishopwearmouth? In particular, I am interested in Cuthbert and Ernest, who appear to have been born in the 1860s. Any help would be welcomed, David Scott. .. Please quote the minimum necessary to put your reply on context. Please introduce yourself at the top of every post. The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORTHUMBRIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message .. Please quote the minimum necessary to put your reply on context. Please introduce yourself at the top of every post. The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORTHUMBRIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thank you very much Margery and I will follow up on your suggestion! We were in North Shields about 15 months ago on a "roots" tour but could not fit in more research time. Albie From: KEN WHITE [mailto:kenmar.white@btopenworld.com] Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2015 3:08 PM To: Albie; northumbria@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NMB] Gibson's of Brock Farm and Brock House-North Shields Hi Albie I am sure you will get all of the information you need at North Tyneside Local Studies, which is situated within the Customer First Centre in Northumberland Square, North Shields (Library) You can contact them on discover@northtyneside.gov.uk I know this area well being brought up there, but don't know much of the history other than its name Brock Farm, I used to attend Memorial Methodist Church as a child. It is now a children's activity centre. If I can help in any way just let me know. Margery Please quote the minimum necessary to put your reply on context. Please introduce yourself at the top of every post. The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORTHUMBRIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi All, I am researching our family starting with James Gibson (1779-1840), butcher (Tyne & Clive Streets) farmer ay Brock Farm, which he rented from the Duke of Northumberland. He was also a shipowner from 1829 and his sons Joseph and James and carried on with the family businesses and Thomas the 3rd son became a full time artist. I now know that Brock House in Albion Street made way for the Memorial Church and a grandson Joseph Gibson (1836-1874), butcher, farmer at "Chirton Ridge" and ship owner was a councillor for North Shields and died in 1874 but I can find no mention of his death. Can anyone guide me where to ask for help about the history of Brock House and Farm as well as information on the council activities and history of 1867 to 1874? Which institution will be best to contract for this type of local history research? Regards, Albie Gibson South Africa

Hi Albie I am sure you will get all of the information you need at North Tyneside Local Studies, which is situated within the Customer First Centre in Northumberland Square, North Shields  (Library) You can contact them on discover@northtyneside.gov.uk I know this area well being brought up there, but don't know much of the history other than its name Brock Farm, I used to attend Memorial Methodist Church as a child.  It is now a children's activity centre. If I can help in any way just let me know. Margery ________________________________    Please quote the minimum necessary to put your reply on context. Please introduce yourself at the top of every post. The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORTHUMBRIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

About 25 years ago I was given a collection of the Vaux company staff magazines starting in 1948 to 1966. It was called "Things That Affect Us" There are about 30 editions, plus maybe 60 photos taken of the construction, equipment and buildings, many look as though they are from the late 1800s . I'd like to pass them on to a good home. I did mention this some years ago and a location in Sunderland was suggested, but as I cannot walk far, and a car park was not very close by I did nothing about them. I'm willing to pass them on if there are any suggestions, but they are too heavy to post. I'm prepared to drive from Middlesbrough and hand them direct to someone, maybe in a car park of a pub or similar. This may sound odd but anything more than 100 yards is a struggle. Lancelot Middlesbrough > Geoff and lancelot, > Geoff, thank you for your guidance, and both, yes, they are part of the Vaux Brewery dynasty.

Geoff and lancelot, Geoff, thank you for your guidance, and both, yes, they are part of the Vaux Brewery dynasty. Cuthbert seems to have been in charge, but Ernest seems to have been a soldier. David Scott.

Any connection to the Vaux Brewery Company? Lancelot Middlesbrough > I wonder whether anyone is researching the Vaux family of Bishopwearmouth? > In particular, I am interested in Cuthbert and Ernest, who appear to have been born in the 1860s. > Any help would be welcomed, > David Scott.

I wonder whether anyone is researching the Vaux family of Bishopwearmouth? In particular, I am interested in Cuthbert and Ernest, who appear to have been born in the 1860s. Any help would be welcomed, David Scott.

I'm pretty sure they will be the subject of one of the pedigrees in the Corder MSS. Unfortunately that collection, compiled in the early 20th century, has never been published but they are in Sunderland Central Reference Library (Local Studies Dept), Fawcett Street, Sunderland, Tyne and Wear. An enquiry there might produce great results. I am assuming, because of the rarity of the surname locally, that this is the brewing family, or a branch of it. I should probably here mention that because of deterioration of the Corder MSS themselves, through lots of use, they have all been photocopied, and those copies have been bound up like the originals. However, Corder's handwriting was so strange, and made so much more difficult to read by the photocopying, that you might find them very difficult to decipher. Still, it's well worth a try. Geoff Nicholson -----Original Message----- From: David Scott via <northumbria@rootsweb.com> To: northumbria <northumbria@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sat, 21 Mar 2015 7:04 Subject: [NMB] Cuthbert and Ernest Vaux I wonder whether anyone is researching the Vaux family of Bishopwearmouth? In particular, I am interested in Cuthbert and Ernest, who appear to have been born in the 1860s. Any help would be welcomed, David Scott. .. Please quote the minimum necessary to put your reply on context. Please introduce yourself at the top of every post. The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORTHUMBRIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Nice one Geoff On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 4:19 AM, Geoff Nicholson via < northumbria@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > I see they've still got their priorities right, then! > > Geoff Nicholson > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Gen ListLass via <northumbria@rootsweb.com> > To: northumbria <northumbria@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sun, 8 Mar 2015 11:27 > Subject: [NMB] WARNING - Northumberland Archives at Woodhorn CLOSED next > Saturday > > > There was a notice at Woodhorn this week on the Search room doors and > counter: > > " due to unavoidable staff shortages" they will be closed next > Saturday, the 14th March 2015. > > It is ONLY the search room that will be closed > that day, the Museum and the Lego exhibition will still be open. Back to > normal > the following week, hopefully. > > Gen in NBL England > .. > Please > quote the minimum necessary to put your reply on context. Please introduce > yourself at the top of every post. > > The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at > http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ > ------------------------------- > To > unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NORTHUMBRIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > .. > Please quote the minimum necessary to put your reply on context. Please > introduce yourself at the top of every post. > > The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at > http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NORTHUMBRIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Re the haunting of Willington Mill. You may by now have discovered a lot yourself but in case you haven't, my main source is C T Oxley's "Strange Tales of the North Country", probably published in the late 1950s or early 1960s. Oxley also gave a much shorter account in his "The Haunted North Country", probably in the 1980s (Neither are dated!). The hauntings were mainly during the period when Joseph Procter and his family occupied the Mill House, 1835-47. In 1847 they moved away to North Shields and the house was divided into two tenements, occupied by the Foreman and by the Chief Clerk of the Mill. The "disturbances" apparently continued up to at least 1874. To quote Oxley's last paragraph, "Willington Mill was later pulled down and with its end the strange visitors returned to their own habitation. There seems little doubt that the site had formerly been the scene of a dark and horrible crime, and a lady, a stranger to the neighbourhood who was a clairvoyant, visiting the Mill described the two apparitions as 'a priest and a grey lady', and added that the former had refused to accept the lady's confession of a dreadful crime committed on the spot many years before." Personally I'm sure there would be some natural explanation of what happened, and the mysterious so-celled "clairvoyant" would not have needed to be introduced had it all happened in the 21st century. Much more interesting is the fact that what was probably George Stephenson's first ever railway or waggonway ran right past the Mill, linking Killingworth Pit, where Stephenson was working on the development of the steam locomotive for the Grand Allies, with staithes at Willington - and it was in use all the time the "hauntings" were going on. Geoff Nicholson -----Original Message----- From: Geoff Nicholson via <northumbria@rootsweb.com> To: jd.gosling <jd.gosling@btinternet.com>; northumbria <northumbria@rootsweb.com> Sent: Mon, 9 Mar 2015 9:28 Subject: Re: [NMB] Mill House, Willington Quay Tyne and Wear Archives have an excellent collection of old playbills/Theatre Bills. It would be worth an enquiry there. Geoff Nicholson -----Original Message----- From: John Gosling via <northumbria@rootsweb.com> To: kenmar.white <kenmar.white@btopenworld.com> CC: northumbria <northumbria@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sun, 8 Mar 2015 15:59 Subject: Re: [NMB] Mill House, Willington Quay Hi Margery, Thanks. Could well be. I'm wondering if he ever advertised locally, as playbills would surely give a location. So far I've not found anything in the papers of the time, but will keep looking. John On 8 Mar 2015 15:21, kenmar.white@btopenworld.com wrote: > > I wonder if this pop up theatre was put on the land of the demolished Mill House, this was a flour mill owned by a Joseph Proctor in the days of the haunting and the mill still stands even though it has been modernised now, the adjoining Mill House was his family home, from what I can gather he didn't live in it for long > > Margery .. Please quote the minimum necessary to put your reply on context. Please introduce yourself at the top of every post. The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORTHUMBRIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message .. Please quote the minimum necessary to put your reply on context. Please introduce yourself at the top of every post. The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORTHUMBRIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message