Does anyone know whether it can be assumed that a married woman who is described in the census as 'Head of household', and whose husband is known to have been still living, was living apart from him? My ancestor Janet Dick was described as such in the 1911 census, living in John Street, Newcastle, with sons John William and George. Her husband John William Dick and their daughter Beatrice are listed as son and grand-daughter of John Goldsmith (who was in fact John William's step-father), in Jefferson Street, Newcastle. They could, of course, been visiting – but could it be that he'd gone home to mummy? Similarly, Hannah Johnson is described as Head in the 1881 census for Westgate, and her husband Adam (who died in 1905) is nowhere to be found. In both cases there is circumstantial evidence that there may have been a separation. ______________________________________________________ GRATIS für alle WEB.DE-Nutzer: Die maxdome Movie-FLAT! Jetzt freischalten unter http://movieflat.web.de

npetrov wrote: > Have noticed the last couple years, that around Remembrance Day/Memorial Day in November, anc.com > has free Military Research during that time on their site. I'm sorry but I must point out that we aren't allowed to advertise commercial sites - not even their free offers. And we really have to stick to our remit - Family and Local History in Northumberland and Co Durham. Military matters relating to our area or to local regiments are OK, but otherwise it's not on topic. Brian -- Brian Pears (Gateshead, UK) http://www.bpears.org.uk/ Joint List Admin NORTHUMBRIA Genealogy Mailing List GENUKI Northumberland Maintainer

Looking from Cheshire:- My HODGSON, WATSON (& YOUNG, SWAN) ancestors came from Stannington / Morpeth in the 1700-1790 timeframe and were listed as "Mining Agents" (which I understand to be managing coal mines on behalf of the landowner) Could anyone advise me please:- Is the best place to look for relevant mining and vital event records definitely Woodhorn ? Or are there other record offices or libraries in the area that might glean a gem ? Also - Is Saturday a good or bad time to visit Woodhorn ? Many thanks Gordon +Z +Z_______________+Z_______________+Z__________________________+Z <http://www.adshead.com/> Gordon Adshead Manchester Design Technology Beaumont House, 2 Goodrington Road, Handforth, Cheshire, SK9 3AT, England Tel:Fax:Msg:+44-1625-549770 Mob:+44-777-6145602 <gordon@adshead.com>

> My father served in the Boer War as a trooper in the Northumberland > Hussars Imperial Yeomanry. I have his medals, but unlike one of his > Canadian WW1 medals, they do not have his regimental number on the > back. Trying to find that and at least his service dates, I got in > touch with the Northumberland Hussars. They simply blew me off. > Has anyone any suggestions, please? > Bruce Dodd, > Ottawa, Canada Dear Bruce, You said " I got in touch with the Northumberland Hussars. They simply blew me off. " Was this the Northumberland Hussars Museum at The Discovery Museum, Blandford Square, Newcastle upon Tyne ? If this was the case you should get back in touch and complain. If not then try this URL http://www.armymuseums.org.uk/museums/0000000004-The-Light-Dragoons-15th-19th-King-s-Royal-Hussars-Museum-Collection.htm I googled "Boer War" and found this site which mention every Army Unit that was involved http://www.angloboerwar.com/index.htm. and this one http://www.roll-of-honour.com/Regiments/ImperialYeomanryCompaniesBoer.html For Boer War Service Records these are held at The National Archives at Kew. Also found was this "Those who served in the Imperial Yeomanry are in class WO128. A publication (available at TNA) is useful here: 'The roll of the Imperial Yeomanry, Scottish Horse and Lovats Scouts, 2nd Boer War 1899-1902' by K J Asplin - it is an 'alphabetical list of 39,800 men of these volunteer forces who enlisted for the 2nd Boer War." There is also a pay for view site FindMyPast that has the medal cards index. http://www.findmypast.com/boer-war.jsp As Brian Pears suggested subscribing to a Military List, I recommend britregiments@yahoogroups.com they cover every war the British Regiments & Commonwealth Countries that were involved. Sorry I cannot help with the nursing, but Fee has offered you assistance on this matter. John Walker, Newcastle upon Tyne little.blobby2@btinternet.com http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~littleblobby/ http://www.freewebs.com/littleblobby/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bruce Dodd" <bmdodd@rogers.com> To: <NORTHUMBRIA@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, October 23, 2009 5:37 AM Subject: [NMB] UK Military Records

In a message dated 23/10/2009 17:51:33 GMT Daylight Time, amdick@web.de writes: Does anyone know whether it can be assumed that a married woman who is described in the census as 'Head of household', and whose husband is known to have been still living, was living apart from him? My ancestor Janet Dick was described as such in the 1911 census, living in John Street, Newcastle, with sons John William and George. Her husband John William Dick and their daughter Beatrice are listed as son and grand-daughter of John Goldsmith (who was in fact John William's step-father), in Jefferson Street, Newcastle. They could, of course, been visiting – but could it be that he'd gone home to mummy? Similarly, Hannah Johnson is described as Head in the 1881 census for Westgate, and her husband Adam (who died in 1905) is nowhere to be found. In both cases there is circumstantial evidence that there may have been a separation. While in the case you mention a "de facto" separation could be the solution, I would always say that the census simply tells us the situation as it was on census night. The mother may have been "Head" because she was the "most senior" family member at home on that particular night. The reason for her husband's absence might be that he was away on a visit, either near or far, but he may have been away in connection with his work - not just "on night shift", in which case he should have been enumerated as if he were at home, but away for some time, such as a sailor, a travelling salesman or a main-line engine driver might be - or someone who as "on the stage" as an actor or as an entertainer of some sort. He might have been in hospital or in prison, or he might have been away in the army or navy. In any of those cases the mother would have been left to look after the children until he returned and would be "pro tem" the Head of the Household. Geoff Nicholson

I would have to agree with Geoff with one exception that if you do find a parish record at Woodhorn that is listed in the parish books and is not on film then you make a request slip out and they bring the actual parish record book and you can look at it. I am not sure about making a photocopy of the pages because I have never asked. I just made my own record. If you are only there for the weekend--Woodhorn is open Saturday and Sunday. The new library is very nice also. The amount of information is overwhelming. Makes you want to come back again and again--which I have done many times and I am 'cross the pond. Janis

Bruce, I have been researching at length a group of qualified nurses who served in WW1, with 1st Northern General Hospital, who served at several sites across Newcastle, but predominantly at Armstrong College building on Victoria Road [opp. The RVI]. The nurses, most of whom qualified at the RVI, signed to serve abroad, and a rota was drawn up for those fit and healthy enough to work overseas, with Salonica a popular posting for the nurses. I have two nursing sisters who may be of interest to you, an Amy DODD, b. 1876, who was awarded the Serbian Samaritan Cross; and an Esther DODDS, b. 1874. Should either be of interest, please get in touch. Regards, Fee ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bruce Dodd" <bmdodd@rogers.com> To: <NORTHUMBRIA@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, October 23, 2009 5:37 AM Subject: [NMB] UK Military Records > > I've also been trying to track a Northumbrian relative who served in WW > 1 as a nursing sister in Salonika in the Queen Alexandra's Imperial > Medical Nursing Service Reserve. Google led me to the organization's > vets' association, but since she worked in Egypt and had never joined it > they could tell me nothing. > > Has anyone any suggestions, please? > > Bruce Dodd, > Ottawa, Canada > > > > > > > > The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at > http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NORTHUMBRIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Bruce Dodd wrote: > I've also been trying to track a Northumbrian relative who served in WW > 1 as a nursing sister in Salonika in the Queen Alexandra's Imperial > Medical Nursing Service Reserve. Google led me to the organization's > vets' association, but since she worked in Egypt and had never joined it > they could tell me nothing. Bruce Try a specialist list like BritRegiments, GreatWar, UK-Military or WW1-UK. Although we do have military experts on this list, we should restrict queries to those on local regiments. Brian

Maggie Richie wrote: > This auction house is still there on Park View, Maggie Please don't mention living people on this list. Brian -- Brian Pears Joint List Admin NORTHUMBRIA Genealogy Mailing List

Gordon, As "Woodhorn" is the Northumberland County Record Office, it is a good place for Northumbrian (and some Tyne & Wear) records. As there are plenty reader machine, Saturday would be no problem. I favour Sunday ! Tyne and Wear Archives ( in Newcastle) could be helpful. Best ask both organisations if they have what you are after, before you visit. Also consider Newcastle City Library. Here is an e.g. Church Records of current-day Northumberland , say Stannington and Morpeth, are not available at T&W Archives ( with a couple exceptions,) Michael

For those interested in Military Research. Have noticed the last couple years, that around Remembrance Day/Memorial Day in November, anc.com has free Military Research during that time on their site. Gail in Canada The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORTHUMBRIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

In a message dated 23/10/2009 13:21:11 GMT Daylight Time, gordon@adshead.com writes: Is the best place to look for relevant mining and vital event records definitely Woodhorn ? Or are there other record offices or libraries in the area that might glean a gem ? Also - Is Saturday a good or bad time to visit Woodhorn ? Gordon: Given that you seem to be primarily interested in the 18th century CMB, and in mining records, the best place to see microfilms of any Northumberland C of E parish registers is Woodhorn. However, you might well find things easier if you go to Newcastle Central Libary (New Bridge Street, Newcastle). There you can look at the H M Wood transcripts, which cover almost every parish in the county, from the start of the registers to 1812. They have the microfiche edition of the IGI, which covers the baptisms and marriages in most of them, and so which you can use as a sort of index. The convenience of having all those, plus the relevant censuses, plus the H M Wood transcripts for Co Durham also, all under one roof, with lists of monumental inscriptions and lots and lots of published material (ie books) on local background and on the mining industry, more than makes up for you having to use transcripts for the registers. Even though Woodhorn has the original registers, all you would be allowed to look at would be microfilms anyway. In central Newcastle you are also in a handy place for accessing Tyne and Wear Archives should you need it (they cover the modern Tyne and Wear), as well as the NDFHS LIbrary at Bolbec Hall and next door but one to that, the NEIMME Library (that of the North-East Institute of Mining and Mechanical Engineers), though that is useful mainly for actual engineering details, not for the personnel involved, unless, of course, they were engineers themselves. One last tip that may finally persuade you to try Newcastle before Woodhorn. Apart from being 15+ miles away from Newcastle, Woodhorn will charge you a considerable amount (used to be £2 per time, but I have a feeling I've heard it has increased) for car parking, and the only eating place on site has a very limited menu etc, with the nearest alternative, at Woodhorn Grange, about a mile away by road. In Newcastle, while car parking is still expensive, many manage to travel in and out on the Metro, which I find an excellent and efficient transport system. Also, there you will be surrounded by a wide choice of cafes, restaurants, pubs, etc, to sit in and ponder your findings! Very little material survives for mining personnel records, so if that is what you seek, you should look at the Woodhorn on-line catalogue and if you find none there you could save yourself a trip. I have never been to Woodhorn on a Saturday but i am told that it is no busier than weekdays. I would say, however, "Try to avoid school holidays" as in spite of what they would have you believe, noise, some of it from their own exhibitions, can be heard clearly when in the search room there, and the automatic doors seem to be looked on as playthings by some children, whose giggles are a further distraction. They mus have parents but are usually effectively unsupervised. Geoff Nicholson

This auction house is still there on Park View, David Featonby was certainly in charge there last year. He is an old friend of our family - my mother being an auction groupie! David is most amenable and I am sure if you wrote to him he would be able to give you any information you needed Maggie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ian Patterson" <ian.patterson@bredband.net> To: "Northumbria, Message" <NORTHUMBRIA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 6:50 PM Subject: [NMB] J.C.Featonby, Whitley Bay >I am looking for any information about this company that is an auction > rooms in Park View, Whitley Bay. Does any one know when the company was > started and who by? > I have a John Charlton Featonby marrying a distant cousin, Isabella > Gertrude Patterson in September 1910. They are living in St Oswins > Avenue, Cullercoats according to the 1911 Census and an entry in the > Kellys Directory of Northumberland 1914 has them at 48 Percy Park but > does not give his occupation. > > Regards > Ian > > > The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at > http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NORTHUMBRIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.423 / Virus Database: 270.14.26/2451 - Release Date: 10/22/09 08:51:00

Hi, Listers: My father served in the Boer War as a trooper in the Northumberland Hussars Imperial Yeomanry. I have his medals, but unlike one of his Canadian WW1 medals, they do not have his regimental number on the back. Trying to find that and at least his service dates, I got in touch with the Northumberland Hussars. They simply blew me off. I was helped at length to the Army Personnel Centre/MS Support Division/ Historical Disclosures Section in Glasgow. An Administrative Officer there took the trouble to write to me, explaining that "the Ministry of Defence holds the records of soldiers who left the Army in January 1921 or later and officers who left the Army after March 1922. Any earlier records are held in the National Archives (formerly known as the Public Records Office)", adding their address in Kew, phone and url. I imagine that everyone but me knew all that, but just in case.... The helpful Admin Officer added that WW1 service records (she didn't mention Boer War) are held by the Mormons and "perhaps more useful to you overseas" can be accessed through their Family History Centres. One of these happens to be in Ottawa between home and curling club, so I'll be having a go soon. I've also been trying to track a Northumbrian relative who served in WW 1 as a nursing sister in Salonika in the Queen Alexandra's Imperial Medical Nursing Service Reserve. Google led me to the organization's vets' association, but since she worked in Egypt and had never joined it they could tell me nothing. Has anyone any suggestions, please? Bruce Dodd, Ottawa, Canada

Forgot to add that they lost too. www.eyshasfineart.co.uk "Never Live Life Faster Than Your Guardian Angel Can Fly." -----Original Message----- From: northumbria-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:northumbria-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of eyshasfineart4me Sent: 22 October 2009 21:02 To: northumbria@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NMB] J.C.Featonby, Whitley Bay All I know is this firm was taken to court. www.eyshasfineart.co.uk "Never Live Life Faster Than Your Guardian Angel Can Fly." -----Original Message----- From: northumbria-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:northumbria-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Ian Patterson Sent: 22 October 2009 18:51 To: Northumbria, Message Subject: [NMB] J.C.Featonby, Whitley Bay I am looking for any information about this company that is an auction rooms in Park View, Whitley Bay. Does any one know when the company was started and who by? I have a John Charlton Featonby marrying a distant cousin, Isabella Gertrude Patterson in September 1910. They are living in St Oswins Avenue, Cullercoats according to the 1911 Census and an entry in the Kellys Directory of Northumberland 1914 has them at 48 Percy Park but does not give his occupation. Regards Ian The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORTHUMBRIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORTHUMBRIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

All I know is this firm was taken to court. www.eyshasfineart.co.uk "Never Live Life Faster Than Your Guardian Angel Can Fly." -----Original Message----- From: northumbria-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:northumbria-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Ian Patterson Sent: 22 October 2009 18:51 To: Northumbria, Message Subject: [NMB] J.C.Featonby, Whitley Bay I am looking for any information about this company that is an auction rooms in Park View, Whitley Bay. Does any one know when the company was started and who by? I have a John Charlton Featonby marrying a distant cousin, Isabella Gertrude Patterson in September 1910. They are living in St Oswins Avenue, Cullercoats according to the 1911 Census and an entry in the Kellys Directory of Northumberland 1914 has them at 48 Percy Park but does not give his occupation. Regards Ian The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORTHUMBRIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I am looking for any information about this company that is an auction rooms in Park View, Whitley Bay. Does any one know when the company was started and who by? I have a John Charlton Featonby marrying a distant cousin, Isabella Gertrude Patterson in September 1910. They are living in St Oswins Avenue, Cullercoats according to the 1911 Census and an entry in the Kellys Directory of Northumberland 1914 has them at 48 Percy Park but does not give his occupation. Regards Ian

> I am looking for the marriage of Thomas Aittis to a Mary Hi Christel, There was a marriage in Gateshead Fell parish: 19 May 1834 Thomas Aittis = Mary Bell Regards, Nick

Does anyone out there have a connection to a Potts family who lived in the Rosehill area of Wallsend in the early nineteen hundreds? I recently purchased a vintage post card with a photograph of a young girl, possibly in her late teens or early twenties. On the rear of the card is the name Ethel Potts, and an address; Rosehill, Willington Quay. I would like to know if the girl is actually Ethel Potts, or if the card was addressed to Ethel Potts. The 1901 census shows the family of William H. Potts living in Willington Terrace, Rosehill, so I suspect that Ethel (aged 9 in 1901) is probably the person referred to in the post card. If anyone has any information on this Potts family and can shed light upon the identity of the girl in the post card I would love to hear from you. Best wishes Geoff Fynes

Hello Lister's, I want to thank John, Geoff, and Harry for their insight info , I do believe that many of the Jackson's line that I am tracing did in fact come from across the border and settled in Northumberland They were Farmers and miners I just have been forcing on The one's that I have found looking for a hint , A while back Wilf Anderson wrote to the list and I think that his Jackson's may also be connected to my Jackson's I just don't know enough yet to prove it. I hope to find more as I go along. again thanks to all Jack USA ----- Original Message ----- From: <rieverjohn@tiscali.co.uk> To: <northumbria@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 3:43 PM Subject: Re: [NMB] Ellingha > Hi Jack, > I,m replying via webmail so can't copy the web address I want to send > so I have am sending an attachment, > a wordpad text file containing the web address of some northumberland > archives. I have been able to look at > the parish registers using this web site but a while ago. You will > need to browse. > I will try later to find ellingham and if successful I will point you > to the correct page, meanwhile give it a try. > (if you can't make sense of this let me know) > John Robson > > ----Original Message---- > From: cheyanne@hughes.net > Date: 20/10/2009 19:45 > To: <Northumbria@rootsweb.com> > Subj: [NMB] Ellingha > > Hello Listers > > Can anyone tell me how I can find parish records for Ellingham? Is > there another parish that they are listed under or are they just not on > the list at familysearch. labs yet? I am looking for Jacksons around > 1770 to about 1840. > > Thank you for any replies > > Jack, USA > > > The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at http://www.bpears.org. > uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORTHUMBRIA- > request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > Get 50% off Norton Security- http://www.tiscali.co.uk/securepc > > > The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at > http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NORTHUMBRIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >