Wow! Who knew? I'll print that out for my personal instruction book. Many thanks. Bruce Brian Pears wrote: > Bruce Dodd wrote: > >> Mr Pears, would you mind enlarging upon what you mean by the _full_ >> census reference, lest I make the same mistake. >> > > We need enough to uniquely identify the document from > which the extract came. Why? Because the National Archives > who hold the copyright on the information waive that copyright > as far as transcripts are concerned on condition that (a) the > copy is accurate and (b) we uniquely identify the source of > the transcript. The census reference ensures we comply with (b). > > In the case of the 1911 census schedules we need: > > Class No RG14 > Piece No (PN) > Registration District (RD) > Registration Sub District (SD) > Enumeration District (ED) > Schedule No (SN) > > All of which are printed on the page on the FindMyPast > site which displays the census schedules. > > eg RG14PN30017 RD552 SD1 ED25 SN55 > > NB The RG78 number is not essential. > > In the case of the 1851-1901 census returns we need: > > Class No > Piece No > Folio No > Page No > > eg RG12/4070 Folio 86 Page 37 > > In the case of 1841 census returns we need: > > Class No > Piece No > Book No > Folio No > Page No > > Brian > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.423 / Virus Database: 270.14.39/2469 - Release Date: 10/30/09 07:52:00 > >

Bruce Dodd wrote: > Mr Pears, would you mind enlarging upon what you mean by the _full_ > census reference, lest I make the same mistake. We need enough to uniquely identify the document from which the extract came. Why? Because the National Archives who hold the copyright on the information waive that copyright as far as transcripts are concerned on condition that (a) the copy is accurate and (b) we uniquely identify the source of the transcript. The census reference ensures we comply with (b). In the case of the 1911 census schedules we need: Class No RG14 Piece No (PN) Registration District (RD) Registration Sub District (SD) Enumeration District (ED) Schedule No (SN) All of which are printed on the page on the FindMyPast site which displays the census schedules. eg RG14PN30017 RD552 SD1 ED25 SN55 NB The RG78 number is not essential. In the case of the 1851-1901 census returns we need: Class No Piece No Folio No Page No eg RG12/4070 Folio 86 Page 37 In the case of 1841 census returns we need: Class No Piece No Book No Folio No Page No Brian -- Brian Pears (Gateshead, UK) http://www.bpears.org.uk/ Joint List Admin NORTHUMBRIA Genealogy Mailing List GENUKI Northumberland Maintainer

Mr Pears, would you mind enlarging upon what you mean by the _full_ census reference, lest I make the same mistake. Bruce Dodd Brian Pears wrote: > Cynthia > > >> RG14PN30613. 140 Philip Street, Newcastle upon Tyne >> > > To comply with Crown Copyright rules we need the *full* census > reference whenever extracts from the census are posted here. > > > I would like to hear from any lister who knows anything > > about the above family since 1911 please. > > And we have to be very cautious about asking for or posting > more recent information as we do not allow information about > living people on the list. > > Brian > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.423 / Virus Database: 270.14.39/2469 - Release Date: 10/30/09 07:52:00 > >

Cynthia > RG14PN30613. 140 Philip Street, Newcastle upon Tyne To comply with Crown Copyright rules we need the *full* census reference whenever extracts from the census are posted here. > I would like to hear from any lister who knows anything > about the above family since 1911 please. And we have to be very cautious about asking for or posting more recent information as we do not allow information about living people on the list. Brian -- Brian Pears (Gateshead, UK) http://www.bpears.org.uk/ Joint List Admin NORTHUMBRIA Genealogy Mailing List GENUKI Northumberland Maintainer

In message <848188.26144.qm@web24103.mail.ird.yahoo.com>, Christel Muncaster <christelhelen@yahoo.co.uk> writes >Hello again, > >It's a dilemma; still weighing up all this useful information, and >keeping my options open. >I shall order the marriage certificate when I do my next batch, and >hope to begin to clear this up ... > >Many thanks > >Christel > Hello Christel, Seeing that Andrew was in Heworth in 1841 I had a look for other REEDS in the areas to see if any other family members may have moved there too. Felling Shore, Heworth DUR HO107/297/2 folio 37 p 33 to folio 38 p 34 Jane REED 60 N John REED 30 N labourer Jacob " 25 N " William " 25 N " Isabella FORBES 20 FS These children fit with siblings of the Andrew you found bapt to John REED & Jane LAWSON namely JACOB REED - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Christening: 28 APR 1816 Roman Catholic, Ellingham, Northumberland, England 2. MARIA ANNA REED - International Genealogical Index Gender: Female Christening: 21 JUL 1811 Roman Catholic, Ellingham, Northumberland, England 3. ANDREA REED - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Christening: 18 OCT 1813 Roman Catholic, Ellingham, Northumberland, England 4. GULIELMUS REED - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Christening: 28 APR 1816 Roman Catholic, Ellingham, Northumberland, England There was also JOANNES RIED Event(s): Birth: 14 JAN 1807 Christening: 16 JAN 1807 Roman Catholic, Berwick Upon Tweed, Northumberland, England Parents: JOANNIS RIED JOANNAE LAWSON Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date. Source Information: Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type: C104951 1793 - 1840 0825351 Film 6905785 Film Sheet: 00 So the family seem to be quite mobile! Jacob is in later censuses and gives the following birth information "Bambra" 1861(Bamburgh - ref Class: RG9; Piece: 3837; Folio: 60; Page: 13, Northumberland NK - Not Known 1851 (ref Class: HO107; Piece: 2409; Folio: 324; Page: 32), Belford 1871 ( Class: RG10; Piece: 5113; Folio: 78; Page: 60) so he seems to have been a bit confused about his birthplace too. I think the best thing is to order the marriage certificate of Andrew as that should give his father's name & occupation. -- Helen Oram

Hello again, It's a dilemma; still weighing up all this useful information, and keeping my options open. I shall order the marriage certificate when I do my next batch, and hope to begin to clear this up ... Many thanks Christel --- On Thu, 29/10/09, Mark Todd <marktod@yahoo.com> wrote: > From: Mark Todd <marktod@yahoo.com> > Subject: Re: [NMB] Andrew Reed c1815 > To: northumbria@rootsweb.com > Date: Thursday, 29 October, 2009, 10:53 PM > In 1841 Andrew Reed is shown as > living in Heworth - see ref. HO 107 / 297 / 3.  The sign > against his name whether born in county looks like N rather > than Y - on the other hand it looks the same as the sign > against his wife Sarah who the 1861 census suggests was > indeed born in Co. Durham, and different from his eldest > children Elizabeth and James - their sign in 1841 looks more > like a Y and yet the later census records them as born in > Northumberland. --- On Thu, 29/10/09, Christel Muncaster > <christelhelen@yahoo.co.uk> > wrote: > > > From: Christel Muncaster <christelhelen@yahoo.co.uk> > Subject: Re: [NMB] Andrew Reed c1815 > To: northumbria@rootsweb.com > Date: Thursday, 29 October, 2009, 12:42 PM > > > Thank you all so much for your help with this. > > Still not sure which option to plump for yet, but am > learning more about Durham/Northumberland geography and > history all the time! > I can see how both Belford and Bedlington could get > transcribed into Bedfordshire ... > Newsham near Blyth (and Bedlington) is very close to Bill > Quay and Gateshead where I can place the family. > However, I am quite convinced by the baptism in Ellingham > which would lead me to Mousen near Belford. > > Perhaps both are right! maybe Andrew was born in Newsham, > but one or both of the parents came from Mousen which is why > he was baptised at Ellingham. I guess it would be easy to > mishear one for the other ... > > Christel > > --- On Thu, 29/10/09, NEGenealogy@aol.com > <NEGenealogy@aol.com> > wrote: > > > From: NEGenealogy@aol.com > <NEGenealogy@aol.com> > > Subject: Re: [NMB] Andrew Reed c1815 > > To: northumbria@rootsweb.com > > Date: Thursday, 29 October, 2009, 10:31 AM > >  > > In a message dated 28/10/2009 22:28:10 GMT Standard > > Time,  > > christelhelen@yahoo.co.uk > > writes: > > > > In 1881  he described as being born in Mewsome,  > > Northumberland > > > > > > > > > > While both theories which have been put forward  - > > Mousen near Bamburgh and > > Newsham near Blyth - seem to have things going  for > > them, I would suggest > > that it is probably the Newsham near Blyth that is  > > meant.  Although not > > actually within the old parish of Bedlington, and  > > therefore not in what used to > > be called Bedlingtonshire, it is near enough  for > the > > family to have moved > > from Bedlingtonshire to Newsham at around the time  > of > > the birth and for > > there to have been some confusion as to whether or > not > > he  had been born in > > Bedlingtonshire.  Bedlingtonshire was a detached > part > > of  Co Durham until the > > mid-1840s, since when it has been part of  > > Northumberland. > >  > >                 > >                 > >                 > > Geoff  Nicholson > >  > > > > > > The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NORTHUMBRIA-request@rootsweb.com > > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the > > subject and the body of the message > > > > Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com > > > > The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORTHUMBRIA-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the > subject and the body of the message > > > The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORTHUMBRIA-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the > subject and the body of the message > > > >       > > > The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORTHUMBRIA-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the > subject and the body of the message >

Hello,   I have just discovered that one of my Lancashire Davies families were resident in Newcastle uopn Tyne in 1911.   RG14PN30613.  140 Philip Street,  Newcastle upon Tyne   DAVIES, Charles head 44 leather trader   born Manchester      "        Sarah Ann wife 45 (married 21yrs)  born Rochdale, Lancashire      "        Harry, son 18 engineers apprentice  born, Castleton, Lancashire      "        Frank, son 16 leather trade apprentice, born Rochdale, Lamcashire   Charles Davies married Sarah Ann Warbiss, Dec qtr 1889 in Rochdale, GRO ref 8e 6   I have a lot of DAVIES family history to share.   I would like to hear from any lister who knows anything about the above family since 1911 please.   Cynthia

Northumberland County Record office at Woodhorn, Ashington has Belford C. 1688-1977, M 1702-1972, B 1701-1956; Ellingham C.1695-1996, M 1695-1995, B1695-1997. Staff will do a search for you on request,at a cost. Mildred Robson ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jack Andrews" <cheyanne@hughes.net> To: <northumbria@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 8:02 PM Subject: [NMB] Jackson & Main Hello all I was wondering if any one has access to Parish records before 1766 for Ellingham or Shipley , or Belford, If I am write Ignatius Main lived there and he and his wife had several children there before 1766 LDS records start about 1777 to late for me. I would be grateful for any help Thanks Jack

Hello Christel,I dont wont to throw a spanner in the works ,but there is a small village called MOULSOE on the Bedfordshire / Buckinghamshire border regards John Lathaen of Bedford. --- On Thu, 29/10/09, Christel Muncaster <christelhelen@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: From: Christel Muncaster <christelhelen@yahoo.co.uk> Subject: Re: [NMB] Andrew Reed c1815 To: northumbria@rootsweb.com Date: Thursday, 29 October, 2009, 12:42 PM Thank you all so much for your help with this. Still not sure which option to plump for yet, but am learning more about Durham/Northumberland geography and history all the time! I can see how both Belford and Bedlington could get transcribed into Bedfordshire ... Newsham near Blyth (and Bedlington) is very close to Bill Quay and Gateshead where I can place the family. However, I am quite convinced by the baptism in Ellingham which would lead me to Mousen near Belford. Perhaps both are right! maybe Andrew was born in Newsham, but one or both of the parents came from Mousen which is why he was baptised at Ellingham. I guess it would be easy to mishear one for the other ... Christel --- On Thu, 29/10/09, NEGenealogy@aol.com <NEGenealogy@aol.com> wrote: > From: NEGenealogy@aol.com <NEGenealogy@aol.com> > Subject: Re: [NMB] Andrew Reed c1815 > To: northumbria@rootsweb.com > Date: Thursday, 29 October, 2009, 10:31 AM >  > In a message dated 28/10/2009 22:28:10 GMT Standard > Time,  > christelhelen@yahoo.co.uk > writes: > > In 1881  he described as being born in Mewsome,  > Northumberland > > > > > While both theories which have been put forward  - > Mousen near Bamburgh and > Newsham near Blyth - seem to have things going  for > them, I would suggest > that it is probably the Newsham near Blyth that is  > meant.  Although not > actually within the old parish of Bedlington, and  > therefore not in what used to > be called Bedlingtonshire, it is near enough  for the > family to have moved > from Bedlingtonshire to Newsham at around the time  of > the birth and for > there to have been some confusion as to whether or not > he  had been born in > Bedlingtonshire.  Bedlingtonshire was a detached part > of  Co Durham until the > mid-1840s, since when it has been part of  > Northumberland. >  >                 >                 >                 > Geoff  Nicholson >  > > > The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORTHUMBRIA-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the > subject and the body of the message > Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORTHUMBRIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Mildred, Thanks so much I will be checking Jack ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mildred Robson" <mildredrobson@ukonline.co.uk> To: <northumbria@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2009 3:18 PM Subject: Re: [NMB] Jackson & Main > Northumberland County Record office at Woodhorn, Ashington has Belford C. > 1688-1977, M 1702-1972, B 1701-1956; Ellingham C.1695-1996, M 1695-1995, > B1695-1997. Staff will do a search for you on request,at a cost. > Mildred Robson > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jack Andrews" <cheyanne@hughes.net> > To: <northumbria@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 8:02 PM > Subject: [NMB] Jackson & Main > > > Hello all I was wondering if any one has access to Parish records before > 1766 for Ellingham or Shipley , or Belford, If I am write Ignatius Main > lived there and he and his wife had several children there before 1766 LDS > records start about 1777 to late for me. I would be grateful for any help > > Thanks Jack > > > > > The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at > http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NORTHUMBRIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

In 1841 Andrew Reed is shown as living in Heworth - see ref. HO 107 / 297 / 3.  The sign against his name whether born in county looks like N rather than Y - on the other hand it looks the same as the sign against his wife Sarah who the 1861 census suggests was indeed born in Co. Durham, and different from his eldest children Elizabeth and James - their sign in 1841 looks more like a Y and yet the later census records them as born in Northumberland. --- On Thu, 29/10/09, Christel Muncaster <christelhelen@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: From: Christel Muncaster <christelhelen@yahoo.co.uk> Subject: Re: [NMB] Andrew Reed c1815 To: northumbria@rootsweb.com Date: Thursday, 29 October, 2009, 12:42 PM Thank you all so much for your help with this. Still not sure which option to plump for yet, but am learning more about Durham/Northumberland geography and history all the time! I can see how both Belford and Bedlington could get transcribed into Bedfordshire ... Newsham near Blyth (and Bedlington) is very close to Bill Quay and Gateshead where I can place the family. However, I am quite convinced by the baptism in Ellingham which would lead me to Mousen near Belford. Perhaps both are right! maybe Andrew was born in Newsham, but one or both of the parents came from Mousen which is why he was baptised at Ellingham. I guess it would be easy to mishear one for the other ... Christel --- On Thu, 29/10/09, NEGenealogy@aol.com <NEGenealogy@aol.com> wrote: > From: NEGenealogy@aol.com <NEGenealogy@aol.com> > Subject: Re: [NMB] Andrew Reed c1815 > To: northumbria@rootsweb.com > Date: Thursday, 29 October, 2009, 10:31 AM >  > In a message dated 28/10/2009 22:28:10 GMT Standard > Time,  > christelhelen@yahoo.co.uk > writes: > > In 1881  he described as being born in Mewsome,  > Northumberland > > > > > While both theories which have been put forward  - > Mousen near Bamburgh and > Newsham near Blyth - seem to have things going  for > them, I would suggest > that it is probably the Newsham near Blyth that is  > meant.  Although not > actually within the old parish of Bedlington, and  > therefore not in what used to > be called Bedlingtonshire, it is near enough  for the > family to have moved > from Bedlingtonshire to Newsham at around the time  of > the birth and for > there to have been some confusion as to whether or not > he  had been born in > Bedlingtonshire.  Bedlingtonshire was a detached part > of  Co Durham until the > mid-1840s, since when it has been part of  > Northumberland. >  >                 >                 >                 > Geoff  Nicholson >  > > > The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORTHUMBRIA-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the > subject and the body of the message > Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORTHUMBRIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORTHUMBRIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Geoff Thank You it is worth a try I will be checking into it Again Thank You Jack ----- Original Message ----- From: <NEGenealogy@aol.com> To: <northumbria@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2009 6:21 AM Subject: Re: [NMB] Jackson & Main > > In a message dated 28/10/2009 20:25:18 GMT Standard Time, > cheyanne@hughes.net writes: > > LDS records start about 1777 to late for me > > > > Jack: > > Have you checked the date at which the registers actually begin? > I suspect that what you call "LDS records" are in fact the BTs, which may > have been put on-line by the LDS but which are definitely not "their" > records. According to a much more reliable sourse, the National Index of > Parish > Registers, Ellingham and Belford C of E registers both begin c1700 (1685 > Ellingham: 1702 Belford), though entries during the early years may be > sparse. For any family in that district the possibility of a Scottish > origin > leading to a Northumberland Presbyterian family, is something ot > consider. > > Geoff Nicholson > > > > The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at > http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NORTHUMBRIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

In message <306680.66491.qm@web24107.mail.ird.yahoo.com>, Christel Muncaster <christelhelen@yahoo.co.uk> writes >Hello > >I am trying to work out the place of birth of Andrew Reed c 1815. I >found him on freecen in 1861, living in Trimdon, with wife Sarah (nee >Storey, married 1838) and children - birthplace transcribed as >Moussion, Bedfordshire >In 1881 he described as being born in Mewsome, Northumberland >Neither of these places make sense to me, any ideas? > Hi Christel, A possibility might be "MOUSON, (or Mowson), a township in the parish of Bamburgh, N. division of Bamburgh ward, county Northumberland, 2 miles S. of Belford. There is no village, only a few farmhouses. See <http://www.genuki.bpears.org.uk/NBL/Bamburgh/index.html> -- Helen Oram

Good morning Michael; Thank you for responding to my query. I am aware of "Free BMD", "Free CEN" & "Free REG" and have benefited from "Free BMD" very much over the years and more recently from "Free CEN" in Cornwall which seems to be more or less, fully covered; which was wonderful and assisted me no end. The same doesn't seem to apply up in the North of England and as I've benefited much from other's work, thought I may perhaps; be able to assist in transcribing, since being put in touch with a lady transcribing the 1861 census, but haven't heard back from as yet. Once again; thank you very much. Kindest Regards; Robert KEMSLEY Australia

In a message dated 28/10/2009 22:28:10 GMT Standard Time, christelhelen@yahoo.co.uk writes: In 1881 he described as being born in Mewsome, Northumberland While both theories which have been put forward - Mousen near Bamburgh and Newsham near Blyth - seem to have things going for them, I would suggest that it is probably the Newsham near Blyth that is meant. Although not actually within the old parish of Bedlington, and therefore not in what used to be called Bedlingtonshire, it is near enough for the family to have moved from Bedlingtonshire to Newsham at around the time of the birth and for there to have been some confusion as to whether or not he had been born in Bedlingtonshire. Bedlingtonshire was a detached part of Co Durham until the mid-1840s, since when it has been part of Northumberland. Geoff Nicholson

In a message dated 28/10/2009 20:25:18 GMT Standard Time, cheyanne@hughes.net writes: LDS records start about 1777 to late for me Jack: Have you checked the date at which the registers actually begin? I suspect that what you call "LDS records" are in fact the BTs, which may have been put on-line by the LDS but which are definitely not "their" records. According to a much more reliable sourse, the National Index of Parish Registers, Ellingham and Belford C of E registers both begin c1700 (1685 Ellingham: 1702 Belford), though entries during the early years may be sparse. For any family in that district the possibility of a Scottish origin leading to a Northumberland Presbyterian family, is something ot consider. Geoff Nicholson

Thank you all so much for your help with this. Still not sure which option to plump for yet, but am learning more about Durham/Northumberland geography and history all the time! I can see how both Belford and Bedlington could get transcribed into Bedfordshire ... Newsham near Blyth (and Bedlington) is very close to Bill Quay and Gateshead where I can place the family. However, I am quite convinced by the baptism in Ellingham which would lead me to Mousen near Belford. Perhaps both are right! maybe Andrew was born in Newsham, but one or both of the parents came from Mousen which is why he was baptised at Ellingham. I guess it would be easy to mishear one for the other ... Christel --- On Thu, 29/10/09, NEGenealogy@aol.com <NEGenealogy@aol.com> wrote: > From: NEGenealogy@aol.com <NEGenealogy@aol.com> > Subject: Re: [NMB] Andrew Reed c1815 > To: northumbria@rootsweb.com > Date: Thursday, 29 October, 2009, 10:31 AM > > In a message dated 28/10/2009 22:28:10 GMT Standard > Time,  > christelhelen@yahoo.co.uk > writes: > > In 1881  he described as being born in Mewsome,  > Northumberland > > > > > While both theories which have been put forward  - > Mousen near Bamburgh and > Newsham near Blyth - seem to have things going  for > them, I would suggest > that it is probably the Newsham near Blyth that is  > meant.  Although not > actually within the old parish of Bedlington, and  > therefore not in what used to > be called Bedlingtonshire, it is near enough  for the > family to have moved > from Bedlingtonshire to Newsham at around the time  of > the birth and for > there to have been some confusion as to whether or not > he  had been born in > Bedlingtonshire.  Bedlingtonshire was a detached part > of  Co Durham until the > mid-1840s, since when it has been part of  > Northumberland. > >                 >                 >                 > Geoff  Nicholson > > > > The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORTHUMBRIA-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the > subject and the body of the message > Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com

Mousen, near Belford? Russell Wear ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christel Muncaster" <christelhelen@yahoo.co.uk> To: "northumbria mailing group" <northumbria@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 10:20 PM Subject: [NMB] Andrew Reed c1815 Hello I am trying to work out the place of birth of Andrew Reed c 1815. I found him on freecen in 1861, living in Trimdon, with wife Sarah (nee Storey, married 1838) and children - birthplace transcribed as Moussion, Bedfordshire In 1881 he described as being born in Mewsome, Northumberland Neither of these places make sense to me, any ideas? I have found a couple of his children on IGI christened in Roman Catholic churches 1) Ann 1850 (my GG grandmother) at St Mary's, Newcastle (she was born in Gateshead) 2) John 1852 at St Joseph's, Gateshead I wondered whether the father was Catholic and if either of these were likely to be him ... how can I tell either way ...? do any of these help placing the birthplace? 1) ANDREA REED Male Birth: 17 OCT 1813 Christening: 18 OCT 1813 Roman Catholic, Ellingham, Northumberland, England Father: JOANNIS REED Mother: JANAE LAWSON 2) ANDREUS REID Male Birth: 16 AUG 1816 Christening: 01 SEP 1816 Roman Catholic, Berwick Upon Tweed, Northumberland, England Father: ANDREI REID Mother: ISABELLAE HALL I hope I have provided enough information. Many thanks for your time, Christel Muncaster The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORTHUMBRIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Christel, So the marraige of Andrew and Sarah was registered in the Sept (3rd) Quarter of 1838 within Gateshead Registration District. On the l841 census ( page ref 297/3 51-48) Andrew 25 and Sarah 24, Reed , with Elizabeth 2 and James 5 months, are living in Bill Quay, a community within the Chapelry ( later Parish) of Heworth, in County Durham. The couple annotated as not born within County Durham. The two children annotated as born within County Durham For BMD registration purposes Bill Quay/Heworth lay with Gateshead Reg District. As you point out the 1881 census ( ref 4966-59-11) has Andrew born in Northumberland. Earlier census have born in County Durham and Bedfordshire. So there seemed to have been geographic doubts on enumerators or the couple's part. Anyway at a push I could see the Mewsome as Newsom. This is how I ( a south-east Northumbrian) would say "Newsham". Newsham ( now part of the town of Blyth) was a township of the Parish of Earsdon. On to Catholic churches of the day for baptism places for Andrew, in Newsham, Northumberland ( there was at least one Newsham in County Durham ! ) St Cuthbert's North Shields about 7 miles St Robert's, Morpeth, c6 St Andrew's, Newcastle c11 In which church did Andrew/Sarah marry ? Michael ( Straw-Clutcher)

Hello all I was wondering if any one has access to Parish records before 1766 for Ellingham or Shipley , or Belford, If I am write Ignatius Main lived there and he and his wife had several children there before 1766 LDS records start about 1777 to late for me. I would be grateful for any help Thanks Jack