To Gail in Canada Just in case it can help you, a Fred and Addie Lightly emigrated with my father from Sunderland or thereabouts to Toronto in 1910. They are long gone now, but I think I could find at least one of their daughters when I get home to Ottawa - I'm on the road at the moment. If you are interested, let me know, but I'll have to reply off line because they are about my age and possibly still living. Bruce Dodd Nandor Petrov wrote: > Hi Pom, > Noticed your inquiry and wondered what surname you are researching? > I have Mary LIGHTLY b abt 1815 Houghton Le Spring, d abt 1877 Sprouston, Roxburghshire. Married > Robert JOHNSTON b 1817 Sprouston. 1st daughter Frances Lightly JOHNSTON b abt 1842 Bamburgh, > Northumberland. Currently waiting for GRO birth record for Frances. > Have no record of marriage for Mary LIGHTLY and Robert JOHNSTON. The rest of their children were b > Sprouston. > Would like to hear from anyone searching these family lines. > Gail > Canada > > > -----Original Message----- > From: northumbria-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:northumbria-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of A > Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2009 2:07 AM > To: northumbria@rootsweb.com > Subject: [NMB] parish registers > > I am informed that birth records prior to 1837, if available, is via parish registers. > I am after a birth certificate (to conform parent's names) in Houghton Le Spring in 1836 does any > one know if this is available? > If so Where from? > Thanks > Pom > > > > The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORTHUMBRIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORTHUMBRIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.423 / Virus Database: 270.14.40/2471 - Release Date: 10/31/09 07:53:00 > >

Just another wee snippet on Shipley.. mini communities within the "township" of Shipley, one of the 16 that made up the Parish of Eglingham. Speed's map of 1610 shows just Shipley Greenwood's map of 1828 shows Shipley West Field, Shipley Hill, Shipley Small Burns, Shipley Lane, Shipley Mill and Shipley Stead. (top left of map) Source: on line at site communities.northumberland.gov.uk In "Alnwick" community, in "Plans" section. Michael

Michael, thanks for that, you're a font of information. On the set of maps I've got here in Spain (Collin's 2002, Road Atlas), it just shows Shipley , just off the B6346 road. So there was more to Shipley township in the past and perhaps there still is today ? Mike Temple, Spain. ----- Original Message ----- From: <Dixymick@aol.com> To: <northumbria@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, November 01, 2009 9:16 PM Subject: Re: [NMB] Fw: Jackson & Main > > No matter how big/small Shipley was/is... it was one of the sixteen > "townships" that comprised the Parish of Eglingham. > > Genuki site ( within the Eglingham Parish section) lists > Shipley, Shipley Burn, Shipley Lane, Shipley Smallburns, Shipley Hill and > Shipley Wood. > > The Northumberland CC database entitled "Farm Index" ( it is much more > than > that) lists these " Places" lying within the "township" of Shipley, within > Eglingham Parish... > Shipley, Shipley Hill, Shipley Lane, Shipley Mill, Shipley Moor, Shipley > West Field and Old Shipley. > > ( Also a Shipley Shiels/Shields within Parish of Thorneyburn - but nearly > 40 miles distant) > > On 1841 census ( Piece 829 Book 20 Folio 3 Page 4) has 124 within Shipley > township...... > 21 folk in Shipley Small Burns, 11 Shipley West Field, 13 Shipley Hill, 14 > Shipley Moor, > 13 Old Shipley , 28 Shipley, 21 Shipley Lane and 3 at Shipley Mill. > > Michael > > > The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at > http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NORTHUMBRIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.423 / Virus Database: 270.14.44/2475 - Release Date: 11/01/09 19:39:00

Hello All; I would like to thank all of you that responded to my query about SHIPLEY, Northumberland I new that it had to be a township and close to Eglingham, Again Thanks to Mike , Jenny , Geoff , and any one that I might of missed Jack ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Temple" <jmtemple@telefonica.net> To: <northumbria@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, November 02, 2009 2:26 AM Subject: Re: [NMB] Fw: Jackson & Main > Michael, > thanks for that, you're a font of information. > On the set of maps I've got here in Spain (Collin's 2002, Road Atlas), it > just shows Shipley , just off the B6346 road. > So there was more to Shipley township in the past and perhaps there still > is today ? > Mike Temple, Spain. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <Dixymick@aol.com> > To: <northumbria@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, November 01, 2009 9:16 PM > Subject: Re: [NMB] Fw: Jackson & Main > > >> >> No matter how big/small Shipley was/is... it was one of the sixteen >> "townships" that comprised the Parish of Eglingham. >> >> Genuki site ( within the Eglingham Parish section) lists >> Shipley, Shipley Burn, Shipley Lane, Shipley Smallburns, Shipley Hill and >> Shipley Wood. >> >> The Northumberland CC database entitled "Farm Index" ( it is much more >> than >> that) lists these " Places" lying within the "township" of Shipley, >> within >> Eglingham Parish... >> Shipley, Shipley Hill, Shipley Lane, Shipley Mill, Shipley Moor, Shipley >> West Field and Old Shipley. >> >> ( Also a Shipley Shiels/Shields within Parish of Thorneyburn - but nearly >> 40 miles distant) >> >> On 1841 census ( Piece 829 Book 20 Folio 3 Page 4) has 124 within Shipley >> township...... >> 21 folk in Shipley Small Burns, 11 Shipley West Field, 13 Shipley Hill, >> 14 >> Shipley Moor, >> 13 Old Shipley , 28 Shipley, 21 Shipley Lane and 3 at Shipley Mill. >> >> Michael >> >> >> The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at >> http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> NORTHUMBRIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.423 / Virus Database: 270.14.44/2475 - Release Date: 11/01/09 > 19:39:00 > > > > The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at > http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NORTHUMBRIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

to all who replied Thank you . You learn something new every day Regards Peter ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Pears" <bp@bpears.org.uk> To: <northumbria@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, November 01, 2009 6:40 PM > > Yes, that uniquely identifies the schedule. >

p.jpcollins wrote: > RG14 PN 30293 RG78 PN1745a RD556 SD1 ED 34 SN361 > > Can be record as > RG14 PN30293 RD556 SD1 ED334 SN361 > > Will every person know and understand where it comes from and where to > find it if they want to? Yes, that uniquely identifies the schedule. Brian -- Brian Pears (Gateshead, UK) http://www.bpears.org.uk/ Joint List Admin NORTHUMBRIA Genealogy Mailing List GENUKI Northumberland Maintainer

Brian I hope that I am not contravening the remit of this listing! I find you mail most interesting in which you say the RG78 number is not essential. does this mean that the 164 Stevenson St South Shields number I have recorded in various data sets and Family tree program as RG14 PN 30293 RG78 PN1745a RD556 SD1 ED 34 SN361 Can be record as RG14 PN30293 RD556 SD1 ED334 SN361 Will every person know and understand where it comes from and where to find it if they want to? I appreciate that this is possible more to with the census but a great deal of my extended family come from South Shields and surrounding Ares Thank you for you help with this query Regards Peter Collins Cheltenham UK ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Pears" <bp@bpears.org.uk> To: <northumbria@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, October 30, 2009 9:58 PM > All of which are printed on the page on the FindMyPast > site which displays the census schedules. > > eg RG14PN30017 RD552 SD1 ED25 SN55 > > NB The RG78 number is not essential. >

Jenny, Yes it seems to be just a hamlet or perhaps a farm, just off the B6346 road out of Alnwick, and mid-way between Alnwick and Eglingham. Mike Temple, Spain. ----- Original Message ----- From: "jennifer De Angelis" <jennyda2@gmail.com> To: <northumbria@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, November 01, 2009 2:47 PM Subject: Re: [NMB] Fw: Jackson & Main > HI Mike, > > I thought there must be a Shipley in Northumberland because the LDS > library > catalogue showed a couple of films for the place, just not the PRs or BTs > for Shipley. I just could not find Shipley listed in the Towns and > Parishes > for Northumberland listing on the Genuki pages nor could I find it listed > in > the More Completel list of towns and parishes on the same Genuki page. It > must be a really small place or something. > > Regards > Jenny DeAngelis > Spain. > > <<> Shipley village, Northumberland, is about 4 miles North West of > Alnwick. >> Mike Temple, Spain.>> > > > > The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at > http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NORTHUMBRIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.423 / Virus Database: 270.14.42/2473 - Release Date: 10/31/09 21:14:00

No matter how big/small Shipley was/is... it was one of the sixteen "townships" that comprised the Parish of Eglingham. Genuki site ( within the Eglingham Parish section) lists Shipley, Shipley Burn, Shipley Lane, Shipley Smallburns, Shipley Hill and Shipley Wood. The Northumberland CC database entitled "Farm Index" ( it is much more than that) lists these " Places" lying within the "township" of Shipley, within Eglingham Parish... Shipley, Shipley Hill, Shipley Lane, Shipley Mill, Shipley Moor, Shipley West Field and Old Shipley. ( Also a Shipley Shiels/Shields within Parish of Thorneyburn - but nearly 40 miles distant) On 1841 census ( Piece 829 Book 20 Folio 3 Page 4) has 124 within Shipley township...... 21 folk in Shipley Small Burns, 11 Shipley West Field, 13 Shipley Hill, 14 Shipley Moor, 13 Old Shipley , 28 Shipley, 21 Shipley Lane and 3 at Shipley Mill. Michael

HI Mike, I thought there must be a Shipley in Northumberland because the LDS library catalogue showed a couple of films for the place, just not the PRs or BTs for Shipley. I just could not find Shipley listed in the Towns and Parishes for Northumberland listing on the Genuki pages nor could I find it listed in the More Completel list of towns and parishes on the same Genuki page. It must be a really small place or something. Regards Jenny DeAngelis Spain. <<> Shipley village, Northumberland, is about 4 miles North West of Alnwick. > Mike Temple, Spain.>>

In a message dated 01/11/2009 13:47:56 GMT Standard Time, jennyda2@gmail.com writes: I just could not find Shipley listed in the Towns and Parishes for Northumberland listing on the Genuki pages nor could I find it listed in the More Completel list of towns and parishes on the same Genuki page. It must be a really small place or something. Regards Jenny DeAngelis Spain. <<> Shipley village, Northumberland, is about 4 miles North West of Alnwick. The Shipley referred to, which as far as I know is the only Shipley in Northumberland, is little more than one farm. It may have been a township, though I doubt it, but certainly was never a parish. As a large farm, in the old days of labour-intensive agriculture there could well have been have been several families of farm labourers living there in pretty rough accomodation, as well as the farmer in the best house of all - the "farm house". Geoff Nicholson

Hi Just to add to Geoff's reply with some comments from the perspective of researching on this side of the world. A site with a great deal of useful information (and some marriage indexes ) is www.genuki.org.uk - not least their "Getting Started" article http://www.genuki.org.uk/gs/ I would just mention that your family may not necessarily have been baptised in the Church of England - they could have been non- conformists. Methodism, for example, was strong in many Co. Durham mining communities. Prior to the beginning of civil registration, they would have had to marry in the Church of England (unless they were Jews or Quakers). Before municipal cemeteries started there were few alternatives to Church of England church yards for burial, but people were often buried a little further from home than you might expect, for all sorts of reasons, so check surrounding parishes. While most children were baptised within a few months of their birth, some families seemed to baptise their children in "batches". For all sorts of reasons which we can often only guess at (money being one of them) there can be significant differences between the dates of birth and baptism of a child. http://www.durhamrecordsonline.com/ may have transcripts available online - check their coverage. This is a pay per view site but has a good free index so you can make your mind up whether there is anything you want before you pay. I also wondered whether you were aware that you can get hold of films of church and other records through the LDS family history centres which are in most large urban centres in Australia? Their on-line film catalogue can be found at www.familysearch.org - click on the library tab & follow the links. The same tab provides a link to help you find the nearest centre. As Geoff mentioned there are images of some Bishop's Transcripts (BTs) for some records for some years (many gaps) available free on- line. Remember these are for Church of England parishes. For the BTs go to: www.familysearch.org Click on search record tab up top of page Choose record search pilot Choose "Browse our record collection" which is in small pale print in the middle of the page that comes up. The Bishop's Transcripts (BTs) have not been indexed so the search function won't bring them up. Click on Europe on the map that comes up Find the BTs under England Choose the County & then the parish you want. www.familysearch.org also has the International Genealogical Index (IGI) which you may already know about. This is a finding aid only and includes many entries submitted by individuals which are based on 'research' of varying quality. It also includes entries extracted from church records - these are more reliable but you need to use the film reference provided to order the film to check the accuracy and to get the full details - the IGI is just an index. Coverage is incomplete and can be quite limited after 1812 for this area. There is a National Burial Index project, often referred to as the NBI, run by the Federation of Family History Societies and very much a work in progress - only a small proportion of burials are included as yet. The NBI has been moved to www.findmypast.com which is a pay per view site. The NBI does not provide full details - you are then meant to go off to the relevant family history societies & buy the records from them. You could use the NBI reference to get a date & location & then go to the BTs, or order the film of the burial records, which might give you other family entries. You can buy transcripts of some records (fiche and some CDs) from the Northumberland and Durham Family History Society's e-shop - www.ndfhs.org.uk Another fiche supplier is Northfiche - http://www.jwillans.freeserve.co.uk/ I hope you are successful in finding records for the people you are looking for. If you provide names and approximate dates/locations (giving your source) someone may be able to offer specific assistance. Ingrid On 31/10/2009, at 8:07 PM, A wrote: > I am informed that birth records prior to 1837, if available, is via > parish > registers. > I am after a birth certificate (to conform parent's names) in > Houghton Le > Spring in 1836 does any one know if this is available? > If so Where from? > Thanks > Pom > > > > The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORTHUMBRIA-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message

Begin forwarded message: > From: Ingrid Clausen <ICLAUSEN@paradise.net.nz> > Date: 1 November 2009 7:47:44 AM > To: northumbria@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [NMB] parish registers > Reply-To: northumbria@rootsweb.com > > Prior to the beginning of civil registration, > they would have had to marry in the Church of England (unless they > were Jews or Quakers). I should have said that from 1754 until the beginning of civil registration they would have had to marry in the Church of England (unless they were Jews or Quakers).

I am informed that birth records prior to 1837, if available, is via parish registers. I am after a birth certificate (to conform parent's names) in Houghton Le Spring in 1836 does any one know if this is available? If so Where from? Thanks Pom

Researching: LYNCH Thomas Henry b. 1884 Hartlepool - mother Sarah BRACK. LYNCH Thomas Henry b. 1858 Hartlepool LYNCH Thomas Wilkinson b. 1898 Hartlepool - mother Elizabeth WILKINSON LYNCH Elizabeth b 1901 Hartlepool - mother Elizabeth WILKINSON LYNCH Ethel b 1895 Hartlepool - mother Elizabeth WILKINSON

Hi Pom, Noticed your inquiry and wondered what surname you are researching? I have Mary LIGHTLY b abt 1815 Houghton Le Spring, d abt 1877 Sprouston, Roxburghshire. Married Robert JOHNSTON b 1817 Sprouston. 1st daughter Frances Lightly JOHNSTON b abt 1842 Bamburgh, Northumberland. Currently waiting for GRO birth record for Frances. Have no record of marriage for Mary LIGHTLY and Robert JOHNSTON. The rest of their children were b Sprouston. Would like to hear from anyone searching these family lines. Gail Canada -----Original Message----- From: northumbria-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:northumbria-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of A Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2009 2:07 AM To: northumbria@rootsweb.com Subject: [NMB] parish registers I am informed that birth records prior to 1837, if available, is via parish registers. I am after a birth certificate (to conform parent's names) in Houghton Le Spring in 1836 does any one know if this is available? If so Where from? Thanks Pom The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORTHUMBRIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Shipley village, Northumberland, is about 4 miles North West of Alnwick. Mike Temple, Spain. ----- Original Message ----- From: "jennifer De Angelis" <jennyda2@gmail.com> To: "NORTHUMBRIA mailing list" <NORTHUMBRIA@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2009 10:20 AM Subject: [NMB] Fw: Jackson & Main > > > Hi Jack. > > The LDS Library catalogue shows that they have various films of the Parish > Registers for Ellilngham beginning 1695-1942 there may be gaps in those > years. You can hire the film/s at your nearest LDS centre for a > reasonable > hire fee. > > Go to the familysearch site at www.familysearch.org and in the toolbar at > the top of the page click on the Search Records tab, there will see in the > drop down list Library Catalog, click there and then select Place Search. > Type Ellingham in the top box and Northumberland in the lower box and > click > search. > > Once you get up a list of results select Parish Records, and this will > give > you a list of options for those PRs., amongst which you will see the title > Parish Register of Ellingham (Northumberland) 1695-1942. Select that > item > and then in the top right corner of the page click on the link "View Film > Notes". On that page you will see a short description of each film > available with it's > relevant number to order a copy by. > > Once the film/s arrive you will be advised and can book a reader at that > centre and then go and view your film as many times as you like over the > next month, the term of hire for films. By paying the same fee again the > film will be kept indefinitely for you. > . > Unfortunately the LDS do not seem to have any Church Records on film > listed > in their catalogue for Shipley Northumberland. I tried to find Shipley > listed on the Northumberland & County Durham pages of the Genuki site, > www.genuki.org.uk but could not find such a place listed. Could Shipley > be > a very small place that comes into a larger parish perhaps? Maybe you > would > need to order the PRs for the nearest place to Shipley, if you can find > where Shipley is situaed. > > You can find the address of your nearest LDS centre by going to the home > page of their site above where you should see a section on finding > addresses > of their centres around the world. > > Hope this helps. > Regards > Jenny DeAngelis > Spain. > > <<wondering if any one has access to Parish records before >>> 1766 for Ellingham or Shipley , or Belford, If I am write Ignatius Main >>> lived there and he and his wife had several children there before 1766 >>> LDS >>> records start about 1777 to late for me. I would be grateful for any >>> help>> >> > > > > The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at > http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NORTHUMBRIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.423 / Virus Database: 270.14.39/2470 - Release Date: 10/30/09 15:18:00

Hi Jack. The LDS Library catalogue shows that they have various films of the Parish Registers for Ellilngham beginning 1695-1942 there may be gaps in those years. You can hire the film/s at your nearest LDS centre for a reasonable hire fee. Go to the familysearch site at www.familysearch.org and in the toolbar at the top of the page click on the Search Records tab, there will see in the drop down list Library Catalog, click there and then select Place Search. Type Ellingham in the top box and Northumberland in the lower box and click search. Once you get up a list of results select Parish Records, and this will give you a list of options for those PRs., amongst which you will see the title Parish Register of Ellingham (Northumberland) 1695-1942. Select that item and then in the top right corner of the page click on the link "View Film Notes". On that page you will see a short description of each film available with it's relevant number to order a copy by. Once the film/s arrive you will be advised and can book a reader at that centre and then go and view your film as many times as you like over the next month, the term of hire for films. By paying the same fee again the film will be kept indefinitely for you. . Unfortunately the LDS do not seem to have any Church Records on film listed in their catalogue for Shipley Northumberland. I tried to find Shipley listed on the Northumberland & County Durham pages of the Genuki site, www.genuki.org.uk but could not find such a place listed. Could Shipley be a very small place that comes into a larger parish perhaps? Maybe you would need to order the PRs for the nearest place to Shipley, if you can find where Shipley is situaed. You can find the address of your nearest LDS centre by going to the home page of their site above where you should see a section on finding addresses of their centres around the world. Hope this helps. Regards Jenny DeAngelis Spain. <<wondering if any one has access to Parish records before >> 1766 for Ellingham or Shipley , or Belford, If I am write Ignatius Main >> lived there and he and his wife had several children there before 1766 >> LDS >> records start about 1777 to late for me. I would be grateful for any >> help>> >

In a message dated 31/10/2009 11:13:51 GMT Standard Time, NEGenealogy@aol.com writes: In a message dated 31/10/2009 07:35:27 GMT Standard Time, cq@aapt.net.au writes: I am after a birth certificate (to conform parent's names) in Houghton Le Spring in 1836 does any one know if this is available? If so Where from? Pom: Further to my first reply to this query. It strikes me that possibly you may not have fully understood that parish registers do not normally tell you the date of birth. A few do so but when they do that should be taken as an "extra" and not as something to expect. The register records baptisms so if only one date is given that will be the date of baptism, not of birth. If two dates are given then the earliest will be he birth date. Nothing extracted from a baptism register can be considered as a "birth certificate": there simply weren't any before 1 July 1837. Also, it could only be officially regarded as a "baptism certificate" if it is signed by the Rector of Houghton le Spring (the one in place when it was extracted)! Otherwise it will simply be "an extract" or "a one-entry transcript". Geoff Nicholson

In a message dated 31/10/2009 07:35:27 GMT Standard Time, cq@aapt.net.au writes: I am after a birth certificate (to conform parent's names) in Houghton Le Spring in 1836 does any one know if this is available? If so Where from? Pom: Houghton le Spring Parish Registers are held in Durham County Record Office, County Hall, Durham City. There they have them microfilmed and there will be copies of those microfilms in Tyne and |Wear Archives, Blandford House, Blandford Square, Newcastle upon Tyne and also in Sunderland Public Reference Library, Local Studies Dept, Fawcett Street, Sunderland. Indexes 1813-37 (but without addresses and fathers' occupations) can be puchased on microfilm or CD from the Northumberland and Durham Family History Society, 2nd Floor, Bolbec Hall, Westgate Road, Newcastle upon Tyne. As for transcripts, the BTs are probably on the Mormon Family Search site and the typescript of the NDFHS fiche etc will be in their Library in Bolbec Hall. Just one further point. Penshaw church served part of what was the original Houghton le Spring parish, and its registers started in 1754. Also West Rainton registers begin in 1825 and Hetton le Hole registers begin in c1832 (?), those parishes, too, having been carved out of that of Houghton le Spring. Much the same story as for the registers of Houghton le Spring applies to those of parishes formed out of that of Houghton le Spring. These Record Offices and Libraries will all operate a "to be paid for" look-up service, so I would recommend you to seek the Houghton BTs first - if they are indeed included. Remember that that part of the Mormon site is a Beta one and so neither complete nor necessarily accurate. Geoff Nicholson