Hello the list, I have on the 1911 census a THOMAS DODDS, born in Newburn! in 1867. I think there was also a connection with the HEDDON family somewhere along the line! Is anyone out there researching these families? Kind regards John Richardson Eaton Socon Cambridgeshire

Thank you Geoff and Helen for replying to my query about Gainford/Gainforth. This is what I thought myself but was very interested to hear what others had to say. I feel that this is the marriage I was looking for and was very pleased to find it. I also found yesterday a good website about Gainford while I was pondering on this. It's a super site and has MIs for the churchyard and cemetery as well as the census pages for the village from 1841-1901. You can find it here. yours John http://www.thehistoryofgainford.com/page45.htm _________________________________________________________________ Got more than one Hotmail account? Save time by linking them together http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/186394591/direct/01/

John Richardson wrote: > I would be grateful for any information regarding decendants, both deceased and living! John You must not ask about living people on this list nor can you supply information about living people. Please adhere to this rule. Brian -- Brian Pears (Joint List Admin NORTHUMBRIA Mailing List)

Thank you all for your replies, and here are the details in hopes that they might ring a bell with someone. Service records: not found (probably burnt) Commonwealth War Graves Commission information: found (see below) Death registration: index info. found (note regimental no. is shown as 3341, not 7/3341 as on the CWGC site). >From the CWGC site: Private Charles Thomas Bell 7/3341 1st/7th Bn., Durham Light Infantry who died on Tuesday 13 July 1915 . Age 19 . Additional Information: Son of Charles Thomas and Eliza Bell, of 54, Wear St., Sunderland. Cemetery: LINDENHOEK CHALET MILITARY CEMETERYHeuvelland, West-Vlaanderen, Belgium Grave or Reference Panel Number: I. C. 5. Vivienne Toronto

Hello the list, I have on the 1911 census a THOMAS DODDS, born in Newburn! in 1867. I think there was also a connection with the HEDDON family somewhere along the line! Is anyone out there redearching these families? I would be grateful for any information regarding decendants, both deceased and living! Kind regards John Richardson Eaton Socon Cambridgeshire

NEGenealogy@aol.com wrote: > I don't really follow the logic of this. The name of > anyone's birthplace is not really relevant to where they might be living at the > time they were married. Geoff I assumed that Carol meant that, although the couples were married and supposedly resident in Newcastle, their previous and subsequent children were born elsewhere. Suggesting that their residence was elsewhere and they'd just temporarily moved to Newcastle to marry. Funnily enough I found a similar case with a couple from Winlaton. In 1851 they were cohabiting at Winlaton - in 1853 they married at Newcastle and were listed as resident there - in 1855 they had a child and were resident at Winlaton again. Like Carol, I wondered if the couple had moved to Newcastle simply to allow them to marry there, though, of course, it is no more than a possibility. They may have genuinely moved to Newcastle with the intention of staying, but subsequently changed their minds and moved back to Winlaton. As to motive - I wondered (again it is only surmise) if the couple had lied about their marital status and all their friends and neighbours thought they were married when they weren't. They couldn't marry locally without revealing the lie, so when they decided to tie the knot they had to do so away from Winlaton. Brian -- Brian Pears (Gateshead, UK) http://www.bpears.org.uk/ Joint List Admin NORTHUMBRIA Genealogy Mailing List GENUKI Northumberland Maintainer

Hi John, I have seen Gainford written as Gainforth in old records of the period you are interested in. -- Helen Oram

Carol Ann Logan wrote: > Would there have been some sort of place where they > stayed on Market St in order to register for the marriage? Carol There were several lodging houses on Market Street in the 19th century. Brian -- Brian Pears (Gateshead, UK) http://www.bpears.org.uk/ Joint List Admin NORTHUMBRIA Genealogy Mailing List GENUKI Northumberland Maintainer

Sorry, I made a mistake in the attached. My g-uncle died in Belgium, not Germany. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Vivienne Simmons" <vivienne.simmons@sympatico.ca> To: <northumbria@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 10:31 AM Subject: WWI: Death of a Soldier > My g-uncle served with the Durham Light Infantry in WWI, and died in > Germany in 1915. > > Unfortunately, I haven't been able to locate his service records, so > they're probably among those that were burnt. I have, however, found his > death registration in the GRO War Death indices. > > Family recollection is that my g-uncle didn't die in battle. The story is > that he was off-duty and having a bit of a laugh with some other off-duty > soldiers. He was lying on his stomach in a trench, opening a parcel from > home, when he was shot in the buttocks by a stray bullet. He was taken > away by stretcher, laughing and waving at his friends, and that is the > last we know about him. I'd like to be able to confirm the story, and to > know why my g-uncle died from what was, apparently, a non-life-threatening > wound. > > My question is whether it's worth getting the death certificate. Is it > likely to tell me more about where and of what my uncle died? > > Thanks. > > Vivienne > Toronto

My g-uncle served with the Durham Light Infantry in WWI, and died in Germany in 1915. Unfortunately, I haven't been able to locate his service records, so they're probably among those that were burnt. I have, however, found his death registration in the GRO War Death indices. Family recollection is that my g-uncle didn't die in battle. The story is that he was off-duty and having a bit of a laugh with some other off-duty soldiers. He was lying on his stomach in a trench, opening a parcel from home, when he was shot in the buttocks by a stray bullet. He was taken away by stretcher, laughing and waving at his friends, and that is the last we know about him. I'd like to be able to confirm the story, and to know why my g-uncle died from what was, apparently, a non-life-threatening wound. My question is whether it's worth getting the death certificate. Is it likely to tell me more about where and of what my uncle died? Thanks. Vivienne Toronto

Have you checked the Commonwealth War Graves Commission website? A name supplied would help us help you. Gail -----Original Message----- From: northumbria-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:northumbria-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Vivienne Simmons Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 9:36 AM To: northumbria@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NMB] Death of a Soldier AGAIN Sorry, I made a mistake in the attached. My g-uncle died in Belgium, not Germany. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Vivienne Simmons" <vivienne.simmons@sympatico.ca> To: <northumbria@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 10:31 AM Subject: WWI: Death of a Soldier > My g-uncle served with the Durham Light Infantry in WWI, and died in > Germany in 1915. > > Unfortunately, I haven't been able to locate his service records, so > they're probably among those that were burnt. I have, however, found his > death registration in the GRO War Death indices. > > Family recollection is that my g-uncle didn't die in battle. The story is > that he was off-duty and having a bit of a laugh with some other off-duty > soldiers. He was lying on his stomach in a trench, opening a parcel from > home, when he was shot in the buttocks by a stray bullet. He was taken > away by stretcher, laughing and waving at his friends, and that is the > last we know about him. I'd like to be able to confirm the story, and to > know why my g-uncle died from what was, apparently, a non-life-threatening > wound. > > My question is whether it's worth getting the death certificate. Is it > likely to tell me more about where and of what my uncle died? > > Thanks. > > Vivienne > Toronto The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORTHUMBRIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Can anyone help with finding the other GARDNER family in 1891? We are looking for James Amory GARDNER (b 1848 Alnwick) and his wife Henrietta Jane (b 1846 Heckley House, Alnwick) We have found most of the family but not the parents or two of their children. The missing children are Alice May (b about May1885 Newcastle upon Tyne) and Henrietta Jane (b 1877 Dumfries). We know that Alice and parents are in Newcastle in 1901. Henrietta Jane (or Jean) Gardner becomes a registered nurse and goes to Canada and then China. She remains a spinster and settles in California in the 1920's. Finding them in 1891 may also show who the other children are as they state 14 born (6 alive) in the 1911 Census and we've found 10 so far Robin

On 21/10/09 12:50, "Dixymick@aol.com" <Dixymick@aol.com> wrote: > I notice that on both FreeBMD site and Newcastle Register Office site, > Carlisle-born Constance Edith's marriage is registered as Edith. > > Also on 1901 census ( 4777-96-7) both her and her Felton-born brother > Charles are recorded as Newcastle-born. > > So.... a candidate for Constance Edith on 1891 census.... In Westgate area > of Newcastle (like Benwell on west side of Newcastle) there is a 16 yr old > Edith, servant, but recorded as born North Shields (4191-49-26) ? Thanks Dixon After further extensive search we agree this is the 'most likely' sighting. This family seem to have had a crisis in the late 1880's and several details are wrong in later records. Until we find other evidence we'll note this as probable. Robin

In a message dated 10/11/2009 00:19:16 GMT Standard Time, brucemoorhouse@sympatico.ca writes: His birth record only names the mother, and the place is Bamburgh Northumberland. Bruce: I assume that by "his birth record" you mean his Birth Certificate. That would have been issued by the local registrar and would indicate the name of the Registration District and the Registration Sub-District where the birth took place. Bamburgh was a Sub-District of Belford Registration District, so if that is all you are going on, he could have been born anywhere in that sub-district, which you could think of as Bamburgh Village plus several other villages, etc, within, say, three or four miles of Bamburgh. However, the "place of birth" as given under the date in the first column of the certificate should be more specific than that, so if all that says is also just "Bamburgh", then it means "somewhere in Bamburgh Village". That would include any circus encampment in a nearby field, or perhaps in the Dunes, as well as all the houses in the village. If you know anything at all about Bamburgh then you will know that it is dominated by its magnificent castle. A lot of what is so impressive today was actually built towards the end of the 19th century by Lord Armstrong, who bought the castle from its previous owners, the Crewe Trustees. The Crewe Trustees were a long standing charitable organisation which was coming to the end of its period of usefulness in the 1870s, though they could still have been carrying on some of their good works, based on the castle. Among them were a school, a (free) pharmacy, a "coastal safety" organisation (they ran the lighthouses on the Farne Islands and Grace Darling's father worked for them). They would almost certainly have had some sort of maternity service of which travellers and local people could avail themselves. I suggest you contract Northumberland County Record Office, at Woodhorn Colliery, Northumberland, where they have the voluminous Crewe Trustees MSS. There is a possibility that somewhere among them there is a record of the birth. They also have the originals of Bamburgh parish registers which you should check in case there was a baptism there. You would have to pay for their research service but their charges are reasonable - much cheaper than an air-fare from Canada! Geoff Nicholson

In a message dated 10/11/2009 05:50:37 GMT Standard Time, mrscal@hotmail.com writes: the places of birth suggest that none of the families were living in Newcastle at the time of the marriages, though would have been in the area. Carol Ann: I don't really follow the logic of this. The name of anyone's birthplace is not really relevant to where they might be living at the time they were married. At that time, even more than now, people moved around quite a lot, usually in connection with their work, or to find new work. Newcastle, like many British towns and cities, was expanding at a very rapid rate and so was drawing into it people from all over the country. The only little bit of caution I would advise is that you should remember that the tradition was, then as now, to have a wedding, if it was a church wedding, in the parish of which the bride was a resident, so the bridegrooms might have travelled in from outside, to marry girls living in Newcastle. However, as we have a triple case of brothers marrying sisters, even that seems unlikely, so I would recommend you to think of them all as living in Newcastle at the time but having been born, possibly anywhere. The 1881 census, freely available on-line and elsewhere, should answer that for you, and FreeCMB would probably also be useful. Market Street is one of the main shopping streets of Newcastle, but at that time it did have at least one Hotel, plus rooms above some of the shops which could well have functioned as living accomodation - when built in the ?1840s, the properties were referred to as "houses". Apart from that, some families would have lived there as caretakers etc of the shops below them. Geoff Nicholson

4 SEMENS(SIMMONS) siblings were married at Newcastle upon Tyne Registry office on the following dates:- 18 Oct 1873 Rosanna SEMINS & John KENNEDY 23 Jan 1875 Charles SEMENS & Ellen FREEMAN 3 April 1875 Emanuel SEMENS & Ellen KENNADY 6 April 1875 John SEMENS & Margaret KENNEDY In each case both bride and groom gave their address as simply "Market Stret, Newcastle". Incidentally the KENNEDY's were all siblings too. All 4 couples had at least one child already born before the marriage and the places of birth suggest that none of the families were living in Newcastle at the time of the marriages, though would have been in the area. Would there have been some sort of place where they stayed on Market St in order to register for the marriage? Hope someone can advise. Thanks Carol Ann LOGAN in sunny Oman ps Intermarriage between the SIMMONS and KENNNEDY families, from whom I am descended, seems to have produced so many children that half of Cambois and Blyth must be related to each other, even if distantly. Linked names include SEMMONS/SIMMONS/KENNEDY/GURNEY/MARSHALL/CURRY/THIRLWELL/JACOBS/BELL/VALENTINE/BEAUMONT/BUGLASS/ORD/HUTCHINSON so if anyone has links to these names please get in touch. _________________________________________________________________ Download Messenger onto your mobile for free http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/174426567/direct/01/

In a message dated 09/11/2009 21:04:11 GMT Standard Time, johnayton@hotmail.co.uk writes: is there a place called Gainforth or would this be another name for Gainford???? Yours John Ayton John: The endings "-forth" and "-forth" are interchangeable on a large range of placenames and surnames, at least throughout the NE of England. Look at all the Rutherford/Rutherforths for instance. To correct/add to something which appeared recently, though not, I think, on this thread, the name "Forth" can also mean "a place of recreation", as in The Forth (cf Forth Street, Forth Banks etc etc) in Newcastle. This is obviously a word of many meanings, as we have Ford by itself as a place-name in, at least, Sunderland, Newcastle and N Northumberland, while the Forth is a river in Scotland. The old village and ancient parish of Gainford, however, does look as though it refers to a ford or crossing-place on the Tees. Geoff Nicholson

Thanks to the information a great help Alan D -----Original Message----- From: northumbria-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:northumbria-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of WHRutherford@aol.com Sent: 08 November 2009 19:49 To: northumbria@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NMB] 1st W.W death of J W Davison >> Hi Alan. The Army record of the above is on Ancestry and will therefore be on the National Archives. It is damaged, but mostly legible. He was actually born in 1891. The record lists his parents, (as you have given above), 2 brothers, 4 sisters and the age and addresses of all. His wife Dorothy Ann and her address and a daughter Mary (Dakins?) Davison b 2nd Sep 1916. The declaration of his family, as above, was given by his widow (now re-married) on 18th Aug 1919. I could transcribe more if you can't get access, Regards Hazel

Hello from Canada: My grandfather, William George Darby, had always said that he was born in Bath and hadn't had a bath since. I don't know if he knew where he was born ot not, but at least it turns out that it wasn't at Bath. His parents were Edward Charles Darby, bn. 20 Oct. 1855 at Manchester Lan., and Jane Elizabeth Anderson, bn. 4 Jul. 1852 in Glasgow Scotland. They were in the circus, as were Edward's parents, William Darby, alias Pablo Fanque, and Elizabeth Corker. Edward Charles and Jane Elizabeth were married in Edinburgh Scotland 22 Mar. 1875, while the circus was in town. William George was bn. 28 Feb. 1877. His birth record only names the mother, and the place is Bamburgh Northumberland. I am assuming that they were in the vicinity of Bamburgh, perhaps after the circus had been to Edinburgh, and that when passing through Bamburgh Jane felt that she was close to giving birth. Probably Edward Charles had responsibilities with the circus and had to continue with them so made arrangements for his wife to stay behind in Bamburgh. Perhaps Jane's family had a residence in that area. While she was an Anderson, the family had previously been Hendersons. I haven't been able to find find out much else, but the above seems reasonable to me. I am wondering if anyone reading this has any knowledge or info about Bamburgh and the area which migh prove helpful. Perhaps you have some suggestions that might aid my research. At the time of my the marriage of Edward Charles and Jane Elizabeth, they were with Newsome's circus which was in Edinburgh at the time, as previously mentioned. I have corresponded with the Circus Fans Association on numerous times over the years and their late secretary, John Turner, has been of great help. Would anyone have access to the various parish registers of Bamburgh and area who migh be able to check them for the time of 28 Feb. 1877? Would anyone have any other sources or suggestions that could be of help. Thank you Bruce Moorhouse brucemoorhouse@sympatico.ca

Hi, I used a website mentioned earlier and thought I'd look for a missing marriage on my tree. I have been looking for a marriage for one of my ancestors by the name of George Crozier who was baptised in 1741 at Gainford. I descend from his only child that I know of Elizabeth who was baptised on 24th Mar 1780 at Gainford while her family were living at Legs Cross. The marriage I found today was at St Mary Magdalene Hart on 27th Jun 1779. It was between a George Crozier of Gainforth and Elizabeth Clark of Hart. The dates all seem to fit very well but is there a place called Gainforth or would this be another name for Gainford???? Yours John Ayton _________________________________________________________________ Download Messenger onto your mobile for free http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/174426567/direct/01/