WHRutherford@aol.com wrote: > Just for info purposes ( and to keep it right, some of my Durham family did > marry in London) the Ancestry scans for that area,from very early 1800's, > up until 1921, are of the registers signed by the Bride & Groom and their > witnesses. Names & occupations of fathers. > 4 marriages in each scan. Hazel You are presumably referring to images of church records held at the London Metropolitan Archives. These only cover a proportion of marriages in London and do not cover the list area at all, so these aren't relevant here. As Geoff says, all you'll get for this area on Ancestry, are scans of the indexes. > I have justified my Worldwide sub about 5 times over in the last couple of > months! Please don't promote commercial enterprises. Brian -- Brian Pears (Gateshead, UK) http://www.bpears.org.uk/ Joint List Admin NORTHUMBRIA Genealogy Mailing List GENUKI Northumberland Maintainer

In a message dated 11/11/2009 16:32:56 GMT Standard Time, NEGenealogy@aol.com writes: The information written down by the registrar when an event is registered is that which appears on the certificate- and they have not (yet) begun giving them away for nothing! Geoff Nicholson Hi Geoff, Just for info purposes ( and to keep it right, some of my Durham family did marry in London) the Ancestry scans for that area,from very early 1800's, up until 1921, are of the registers signed by the Bride & Groom and their witnesses. Names & occupations of fathers. 4 marriages in each scan. I have justified my Worldwide sub about 5 times over in the last couple of months! Regards Hazel "Life is a roller-coaster...........just got to ride it!"

All Sorry on that last mail I should also have said that she married Joseph Freeman 29.4.1866 All Saints, Newcastle Mike -----Original Message----- From: northumbria-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:northumbria-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of WHRutherford@aol.com Sent: 11 November 2009 11:50 To: northumbria@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NMB] Collins in Newcastle In a message dated 11/11/2009 10:45:54 GMT Standard Time, michael.fairless@eds.com writes: am looking for an Eleanor/Ellen Collins born about 1843 on the 1851 and 1861 Census. Location is probably the Byker area of Newcastle. Her father was Thomas Collins and location of him and the rest of the family would be a great help Hi Mike, Do you know her father's occupation and /or names of his wife/her siblings? Hazel "Life is a roller-coaster...........just got to ride it!" The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORTHUMBRIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hazel Unfortunately no further details. I was informed by a relative that her father's name was Thomas. Naming conventions (!?) of her children might suggest Margaret or Jane Apart from that I have nothing further to go except that on the 1871 census she is given as age 28, 1881 38, 1891 48, 1901 47 and 1911 68 and always born Newcastle Cheers Mike -----Original Message----- From: northumbria-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:northumbria-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of WHRutherford@aol.com Sent: 11 November 2009 11:50 To: northumbria@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NMB] Collins in Newcastle In a message dated 11/11/2009 10:45:54 GMT Standard Time, michael.fairless@eds.com writes: am looking for an Eleanor/Ellen Collins born about 1843 on the 1851 and 1861 Census. Location is probably the Byker area of Newcastle. Her father was Thomas Collins and location of him and the rest of the family would be a great help Hi Mike, Do you know her father's occupation and /or names of his wife/her siblings? Hazel "Life is a roller-coaster...........just got to ride it!" The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORTHUMBRIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello and thanks. I believe his mame was Dodds. he was a steel worker. I believe this is his son. A lieutenant in the Royal Engineers in Russia. From the London Gazette he stared life as a Sapper in the Royal Engineers, then Sergeant. Then acting Lt in the field where he won the MC. He later became a Major in the Royal Corps of Signals and received the MBE in the field in North Africa.The Royal Corps of Signals of course came out of the RE's in 1922. I am getting there slowly, but know nothing re marriage etc. regards John Richardson ----- Original Message ----- From: Bruce Dodd To: northumbria@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 1:31 AM Subject: Re: [NMB] Dodds Hi, John: A wild shot in the dark. A Thomas R Dodd (singular), stationer, published Dodd's Almanac from Hendon Road, Sunderland, for several years both sides of 1900. Copies exist in the S'land Public Library. I have no bmd details, but 1867 sounds plausible. In my experience, people write Dodd with or without an 's', 2 or 3 'd's, using any vowel, and so on: ou should see my mail. Even the august Lloyd's Register of Shipping made my great grandfather plural. Bruce Dodd Ottawa. John Richardson wrote: > Hello the list, > > I have on the 1911 census a THOMAS DODDS, born in Newburn! in 1867. > > I think there was also a connection with the HEDDON family somewhere along the line! > > Is anyone out there redearching these families? > > I would be grateful for any information regarding decendants, both deceased and living! > > Kind regards > > John Richardson > Eaton Socon > Cambridgeshire > > > The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORTHUMBRIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.423 / Virus Database: 270.14.55/2490 - Release Date: 11/08/09 19:39:00 > > The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORTHUMBRIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

All I am looking for an Eleanor/Ellen Collins born about 1843 on the 1851 and 1861 Census. Location is probably the Byker area of Newcastle. Her father was Thomas Collins and location of him and the rest of the family would be a great help Many thanks Mike Fairless

In a message dated 11/11/2009 13:26:54 GMT Standard Time, WHRutherford@aol.com writes: The marriage comes up on an Ancestry search, with the correct date, but there is no scan available (unlike the London Area transcripts, where we get the actual register). Hazel: Not really relevant only to your research, but a general point - what Ancestry calls a "scan" is actually a scan only of the handwritten GRO index. It therefore contains no "extra" information and is certainly not the "actual register", as you put it. The information written down by the registrar when an event is registered is that which appears on the certificate- and they have not (yet) begun giving them away for nothing! Geoff Nicholson

Of course, there is always the possibilty that Ellen's mother had re-married before 1851 and Ellen was enumerated in that and the following Census under mother's new name. A fairly frequent occurence, which has given me headaches in the past. G Another good reason for getting the certificate, as witnesses may well be relatives. Hazel "Life is a roller-coaster...........just got to ride it!"

In a message dated 11/11/2009 12:27:44 GMT Standard Time, michael.fairless@eds.com writes: Apart from that I have nothing further to go except that on the 1871 census she is given as age 28, 1881 38, 1891 48, 1901 47 and 1911 68 and always born Newcastle >>>>> Hi Mike, Drawing a blank here, unless (and in the middle of this I read Geoff's email) she was actually born in Ireland, which corresponds to the family Geoff mentions, in 1851, starting with Dorothy, who are all in-laws of a Thomas Hauralby,Ancestry transcript, (could be Hanratty) b Ireland and his wife Bridget. In 1861, possibly the same Ellen, listed as Ellie, barmaid, b Ireland, living with Uncle John Collins, single, licensed victualler, b 1811 Ireland. Another niece, Bessie Kearnden(?) aged 21, b Ireland also present. RGO9 3826 Folio 40 page 2 address 150, Pilgrim Street, All Saints. The marriage ref for Joseph and Ellen, from FreeBMD is Jun qtr 1866 Newcastle T 10b 29 The marriage comes up on an Ancestry search, with the correct date, but there is no scan available (unlike the London Area transcripts, where we get the actual register). That looks like your best option. Regards Hazel "Life is a roller-coaster...........just got to ride it!"

In a message dated 11/11/2009 12:29:17 GMT Standard Time, michael.fairless@eds.com writes: Sorry on that last mail I should also have said that she married Joseph Freeman 29.4.1866 All Saints, Newcastle In that case the marriage certificate should tell you the first name of her father. However, the NDFHS index to the 1851 census of Byker does not mention her, so I looked at another readily-available index, the NDFHS index to the 1851 census of Newcastle All Saints (the main, city-centre, part of the parish, HO 107/2407, not Byker, Heaton or Jesmond, all of which come into the "Byker" volume). There I found two possibilities. One was on folio 585, where the family was Dorothy 21, Mary 18, Ann 15, John 12, Elen 9, William 25 and Mary 22. The other possibility was on folio 679 where there were Anthony 40, Margaret 18, James 15, Mary 10, Nelly 8 and John 6. In each case the surname was Collins. Folio 585 seems to correspond to an address in Silver Street and folio 679 to one in Sandgate. Geoff Nicholson

In a message dated 11/11/2009 10:45:54 GMT Standard Time, michael.fairless@eds.com writes: am looking for an Eleanor/Ellen Collins born about 1843 on the 1851 and 1861 Census. Location is probably the Byker area of Newcastle. Her father was Thomas Collins and location of him and the rest of the family would be a great help Hi Mike, Do you know her father's occupation and /or names of his wife/her siblings? Hazel "Life is a roller-coaster...........just got to ride it!"

Hi, John: A wild shot in the dark. A Thomas R Dodd (singular), stationer, published Dodd's Almanac from Hendon Road, Sunderland, for several years both sides of 1900. Copies exist in the S'land Public Library. I have no bmd details, but 1867 sounds plausible. In my experience, people write Dodd with or without an 's', 2 or 3 'd's, using any vowel, and so on: ou should see my mail. Even the august Lloyd's Register of Shipping made my great grandfather plural. Bruce Dodd Ottawa. John Richardson wrote: > Hello the list, > > I have on the 1911 census a THOMAS DODDS, born in Newburn! in 1867. > > I think there was also a connection with the HEDDON family somewhere along the line! > > Is anyone out there redearching these families? > > I would be grateful for any information regarding decendants, both deceased and living! > > Kind regards > > John Richardson > Eaton Socon > Cambridgeshire > > > The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORTHUMBRIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.423 / Virus Database: 270.14.55/2490 - Release Date: 11/08/09 19:39:00 > >

Hi Vivienne >From soldiers that died database Name: Charles Thomas Bell Birth Place: Hendon, Durham Residence: Sunderland Death Date: 13 Jul 1915 Enlistment Location: Hendon Rank: Private Regiment: Durham Light Infantry Battalion: 1/7th Battalion. Number: 3341 Type of Casualty: Killed in action I take it you have his medal card ? As you say no obvious sign of his service records like so many more they were probably lost in the fire Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > Thank you all for your replies, and here are the details in hopes that > they > might ring a bell with someone. > > Service records: not found (probably burnt) > Commonwealth War Graves Commission information: found (see below) > Death registration: index info. found (note regimental no. is shown as > 3341, > not 7/3341 as on the CWGC site). > >>From the CWGC site: > > Private Charles Thomas Bell > 7/3341 > 1st/7th Bn., Durham Light Infantry > who died on Tuesday 13 July 1915 . Age 19 . > Additional Information: Son of Charles Thomas and Eliza Bell, of 54, Wear > St., Sunderland. > Cemetery: LINDENHOEK CHALET MILITARY CEMETERYHeuvelland, West-Vlaanderen, > Belgium > Grave or Reference Panel Number: I. C. 5. > > Vivienne > Toronto

Hello, Do you have his army number? John Eaton Socon ----- Original Message ----- From: Vivienne Simmons To: northumbria@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 3:31 PM Subject: [NMB] WWI: Death of a Soldier My g-uncle served with the Durham Light Infantry in WWI, and died in Germany in 1915. Unfortunately, I haven't been able to locate his service records, so they're probably among those that were burnt. I have, however, found his death registration in the GRO War Death indices. Family recollection is that my g-uncle didn't die in battle. The story is that he was off-duty and having a bit of a laugh with some other off-duty soldiers. He was lying on his stomach in a trench, opening a parcel from home, when he was shot in the buttocks by a stray bullet. He was taken away by stretcher, laughing and waving at his friends, and that is the last we know about him. I'd like to be able to confirm the story, and to know why my g-uncle died from what was, apparently, a non-life-threatening wound. My question is whether it's worth getting the death certificate. Is it likely to tell me more about where and of what my uncle died? Thanks. Vivienne Toronto The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORTHUMBRIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Evening Viviene, You say that he served in Durham Light Infantry Have you thought of contacted the DLI Museum Aykley Heads Durham DH1 5TU Ifound them very helpful when I was looking for my Uncle CHARLES LEO COLLINS who died in 1917 RegardsPeter Collins Cheltenham UK

Vivienne Simmons wrote: I'd like to be able to confirm the story, and to know why > my g-uncle died from what was, apparently, a non-life-threatening wound. > > My question is whether it's worth getting the death certificate. Is it > likely to tell me more about where and of what my uncle died? Vivienne In the insanitary conditions which prevailed in the trenches, all wounds were life-threatening. Death certificates of both serving men and civilians killed by enemy action or other war-related activities were, by law, not allowed to give causes of death. This is because death certificates were public documents and information about exact causes could aid the enemy. Civilian deaths were always described as "Due to War Operations" - military ones in equally non-specific terms. And I agree with Gail - why not tell us your great uncle's name and anything else you know which might be relevant? You never know - somebody might just happen to know the precise details you seek. Brian -- Brian Pears (Gateshead, UK) http://www.bpears.org.uk/ Joint List Admin NORTHUMBRIA Genealogy Mailing List GENUKI Northumberland Maintainer

Hi Margaret Your situation re the wording on certificate is not unusual Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) I sent off for my grandfathers death certificate thinking that it would give a cause of death, but it just said 'Killed in France' I knew more than that from family and the Commonwealth War Graves site so I was very disappointed and felt that I'd been cheated out of my £7. I don't know if I was just unlucky maybe because your great uncle didn't actually die in battle you might have more luck than me, and like you I think that 'my' records must be amongst the burnt ones as I've not had any luck there either. Margaret

I sent off for my grandfathers death certificate thinking that it would give a cause of death, but it just said 'Killed in France' I knew more than that from family and the Commonwealth War Graves site so I was very disappointed and felt that I'd been cheated out of my £7. I don't know if I was just unlucky maybe because your great uncle didn't actually die in battle you might have more luck than me, and like you I think that 'my' records must be amongst the burnt ones as I've not had any luck there either. Margaret -----Original Message----- From: northumbria-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:northumbria-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Vivienne Simmons Sent: 10 November 2009 15:32 To: northumbria@rootsweb.com Subject: [NMB] WWI: Death of a Soldier My g-uncle served with the Durham Light Infantry in WWI, and died in Germany in 1915. Unfortunately, I haven't been able to locate his service records, so they're probably among those that were burnt. I have, however, found his death registration in the GRO War Death indices. Family recollection is that my g-uncle didn't die in battle. The story is that he was off-duty and having a bit of a laugh with some other off-duty soldiers. He was lying on his stomach in a trench, opening a parcel from home, when he was shot in the buttocks by a stray bullet. He was taken away by stretcher, laughing and waving at his friends, and that is the last we know about him. I'd like to be able to confirm the story, and to know why my g-uncle died from what was, apparently, a non-life-threatening wound. My question is whether it's worth getting the death certificate. Is it likely to tell me more about where and of what my uncle died? Thanks. Vivienne Toronto The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORTHUMBRIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Viviene Sadly most soldiers death certificates are not very informative, often stating killed in action, died of wounds or died of disease Place of death is often simply France Unfortunately there is no way of knowing apart from getting the certificate What was his name and Regiment / service number ? Are you sure he died in Germany? You may find the story was put about in the family to offset the pain of his death Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > My g-uncle served with the Durham Light Infantry in WWI, and died in > Germany > in 1915. > > Unfortunately, I haven't been able to locate his service records, so > they're > probably among those that were burnt. I have, however, found his death > registration in the GRO War Death indices.

I am sorry about that Brian Pears. Resubmitted. John Richardson ----- Original Message ----- From: Brian Pears To: northumbria@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 12:37 PM Subject: Re: [NMB] Dodds John Richardson wrote: > I would be grateful for any information regarding decendants, both deceased and living! John You must not ask about living people on this list nor can you supply information about living people. Please adhere to this rule. Brian -- Brian Pears (Joint List Admin NORTHUMBRIA Mailing List) The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORTHUMBRIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message