To all who gave me information about Hathery Burn, many thanks. As I found it named in the Whitley chapel parish registers, I have discounted the Stanhope one. The Hexham High Quarter one seems the correct one. Thanks again for all the interesting tidbits and map references given by listers. Gen in NBL _________________________________________________________________ Add your Gmail and Yahoo! Mail email accounts into Hotmail - it's easy http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/186394592/direct/01/

My ancestor Robert Humble b 1764, was born at Chatton Quarry House and his father also lived at Chatton Draw Kill House, Linkylaw and Brownrigg. I can't find Draw Kill House but have been to see the other three properties which still exist. Does anyone have any idea where Draw Kill House may have been? The other properties are fairly remote, do I presume that Robert's father was a tenant sheep farmer or "hired hand"? He was born nearer to Bamburgh and Robert himself became a master tailor ( according to later parish records when his children were born). Thankyou.

DISREGARD my earlier request for specific photos of a burial site at Elswick cemetery until I have further details. Having looked through e-mails from five years ago, it appears there is nothing to photograph for Isaac Kendall as the family didn't purchase the expired plot. Therefore when the rights expired after 14 years the grave was reused for an unrelated burial. I just learned Isaac's wife preceded him by 22 years and I'm sure the history is the same regarding her grave number; I should receive a reply from the Council this week. THANKS for your patience as I get organized in this area. Mike On Nov 20, 2009, at 2:55 PM, Mike Kendall wrote: Looking for a volunteer to visit and photograph a site for me. Isaac Newgreen Kendall (1874-1946), grave number U uncon-105, in the SE corner of the cemetery (corner of Westview and St. John's Road). I've e-mailed the Environment and Regeneration office of the Newcastle Council to see if they can tell me if a monument exists, so if you would like to wait until I receive a reply I definitely understand. I have a map of the cemetery if needed... _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft's powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/177141664/direct/01/ http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/177141664/direct/01/

For modern-day photos of Heatheryburn Farm and it's environs ( ans a wee map) go to _www.geograph.org.uk_ (http://www.geograph.org.uk) and input " ny9049 " Michael

>From the comments of others and the OS 1:50000 map, I see that Heatheryburn is at: NY 905 493 Neil --- On Sat, 21/11/09, gen listlass <genlistlass@hotmail.com> wrote: > From: gen listlass <genlistlass@hotmail.com> > Subject: [NMB] Hathery Burn, Whitley chapel parish NBL > To: "northumbria@rootsweb.com" <northumbria@rootsweb.com>, "DUR-NBL mailing list" <dur-nbl@rootsweb.com> > Date: Saturday, 21 November, 2009, 13:04 > > Hello All > > I've been googling for Hathery Burn with no sucess in > Whitley chapel parish. There seemed to be at least two > different families living there in the 1770's. Does anyone > know where it was/is? > > Gen in NBL

Whoever does this, please put photos on line! Veronica Thornton Hagin northern California On Nov 20, 2009, at 2:55 PM, Mike Kendall wrote: > > Looking for a volunteer to visit and photograph a site for me. > Isaac Newgreen Kendall (1874-1946), grave number U uncon-105, in the > SE corner of the cemetery (corner of Westview and St. John's Road). > > > > I've e-mailed the Environment and Regeneration office of the > Newcastle Council to see if they can tell me if a monument exists, > so if you would like to wait until I receive a reply I definitely > understand. I have a map of the cemetery if needed. > > > > I've seen photos of the entrance and of the east and west chapels. > If quality images of these can be taken also, that would be great as > well. Has anyone thought of surveying the cemetery and others in > the area and posting photos on line through findagrave or other > similar site? > > > > Regards, > > > > Mike > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Windows 7: I wanted simpler, now it's simpler. I'm a rock star. > http://www.microsoft.com/Windows/windows-7/default.aspx?h=myidea? > ocid=PID24727::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WWL_WIN_myidea:112009 > > > The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORTHUMBRIA-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message

Gen, In my neck of the woods ( Horton Parish) we had a country lane that got called both Hathery and Heathery. The Northumberland farm and parish database lists a place called Heatheryburn within the High Quarter township, in the southern part of Hexham parish. Whitley parish was a southern neighbour of Hexham parish. And I think Whitley parish was originally a chapel of ease out of Hexham parish. On modern-day maps ( e.g. Google maps etc) a spot called Heatheryburn lies close to Steel in the area south of Hexham. Michael

Hello All I've been googling for Hathery Burn with no sucess in Whitley chapel parish. There seemed to be at least two different families living there in the 1770's. Does anyone know where it was/is? Gen in NBL _________________________________________________________________ Got more than one Hotmail account? Save time by linking them together http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/186394591/direct/01/

In a message dated 21/11/2009 13:24:28 GMT Standard Time, genlistlass@hotmail.com writes: I've been googling for Hathery Burn with no sucess in Whitley chapel parish. There seemed to be at least two different families living there in the 1770's. Does anyone know where it was/is? Gen: Since my first "top of my head" response to this query, I have had a look at my microfiche copy of the New County History of Northumberland, Vol 4 (Hexhamshire, part 2, edited by John Crawford Hodgson, 1897). Heathery Burn is mentioned on pages 71 and 73, as follows. Page 71: The other small farmsteads in the High Quarter are ...... Heathery burn (on an affluent of the Boldon burn), which gives its name to the most remote of the three stinted pastures of the shire ..... . Page 71 (footnote): For Wester-meadows, West Field-nook and Heathery burn, Lord Crewe's trustees in 1800 received an allotment of freehold lands and 19 2/3 stints on the stinted pastures. Page 73: (Hexhamshire and Allendale Commons): The pastures belonging to Hexhamshire are three in number, and though not contained within them are common to the West, the Middle, and the High Quarter. They are: The Eshells Moor, of 2,355 acres ..... The Lillswood Moor of 2,103 acres .....The Heathery burn Moor of 450 acres, at the extreme south of the shire, with an elevation of 1,250 feet; with the Green cleugh,, the Heathery burn, and the Beldon burn, an affluent of the river Derwent." This may confuse you even more, but with a good map (eg the 1st edition OS 6" or better) you should be able to identify roughly where it was. Geoff Nicholson

In a message dated 21/11/2009 13:24:28 GMT Standard Time, genlistlass@hotmail.com writes: I've been googling for Hathery Burn with no sucess in Whitley chapel parish. There seemed to be at least two different families living there in the 1770's. Does anyone know where it was/is? Gen: Are you sure it was in Whitley Chapelry? The best-known Heathery Burn is in Stanhope parish (Weardale) and it is usually referred to in connection with the discovery of a cave there which had been home to some prehistoric families - I won't comment as to whether they could have been your ancestors! Geoff Nicholson

Mike This is somewhat off-topic for the list, but I'll briefly summarize the position with respect to BMD certificates. First, by law, information from BMD registers can only be provided in the form of a certificate. Nobody is allowed to tell you anything from a register "over the counter" or by phone. Second, again, by law, anyone is entitled to obtain any BMD certificate no matter how recent. The only restrictions are in ordering certificates online from the GRO for events less than 50 years ago - where you need to supply a lot of details before the online application will be accepted. However you can almost always still obtain these recent certificates without knowing all the details if you apply to the GRO by phone, or if you apply to a local office in person. The only other restriction with respect to BMD certificates relates to indexes for very recent events. For events up to to 2005/2006 BMD indexes are available in numerous libraries and archives nationwide, indeed worldwide. They were also sold to commercial firms who have made these indexes available online. Since then the GRO has refused to sell the indexes to anyone. They have put these very recent indexes in a very limited number of venues - the nearest to here being Manchester. Clearly this isn't a very satisfactory situation, but it's all we've got. Maybe things will improve, maybe not, we'll just have to wait and see. You can still get certificates for these recent events by applying to the GRO or local offices, but you can only see indexes at the very limited number of venues. Other data - well as you know, census data is restricted for 100 years, but for everything else, contact the repository and ask. Some other types of record are generally restricted for 100 years, some for 30 years - but there are no laws and little consistency. Some archives are very restrictive, others less so - so ask. Now, as I said, this isn't a local topic so it isn't suitable for discussion on the list. So this thread is closed. Brian -- Brian Pears (Gateshead, UK) http://www.bpears.org.uk/ Joint List Admin NORTHUMBRIA Genealogy Mailing List GENUKI Northumberland Maintainer

Looking for a volunteer to visit and photograph a site for me. Isaac Newgreen Kendall (1874-1946), grave number U uncon-105, in the SE corner of the cemetery (corner of Westview and St. John's Road). I've e-mailed the Environment and Regeneration office of the Newcastle Council to see if they can tell me if a monument exists, so if you would like to wait until I receive a reply I definitely understand. I have a map of the cemetery if needed. I've seen photos of the entrance and of the east and west chapels. If quality images of these can be taken also, that would be great as well. Has anyone thought of surveying the cemetery and others in the area and posting photos on line through findagrave or other similar site? Regards, Mike _________________________________________________________________ Windows 7: I wanted simpler, now it's simpler. I'm a rock star. http://www.microsoft.com/Windows/windows-7/default.aspx?h=myidea?ocid=PID24727::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WWL_WIN_myidea:112009

Hello list! This is my first post in some time and need to be refreshed on the current limitations imposed on BMD records and other possible data able to be obtained from local government offices. I know the 1911 census is the most current so I believe we're a little under the 100 year rule with this latest edition. Are there other limitations to protect the living when looking up BMD information? Can the offices in Newcastle provide information over the counter before requesting GRO certificates? It's good to be back on the list! Mike Kendall Albuquerque, New Mexico _________________________________________________________________ Windows 7: I wanted simpler, now it's simpler. I'm a rock star. http://www.microsoft.com/Windows/windows-7/default.aspx?h=myidea?ocid=PID24727::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WWL_WIN_myidea:112009

   Hello Listers,   Is there anyone on this list who lives in Newcastle and would be willing to do a look-up for me in the Public Library there? While not indexed, it's a very slim volume and wouldn't take long to skim through. I've been through the 1830 edition which is downloadable from Google Books, but this 1838 one (below) appears to be available only in Newcastle.   Regards, Adi     Class L656.6 Title A Correct list of ships and steam vessels registered in the port of Newcastle up to February, 1838 ... with other local information useful to merchants, shipowners, captains, etc. Publication Newcastle-upon-Tyne : W. & T. Fordyce, 1838 Physical description [33]p ; 16cm     __________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Canada Toolbar: Search from anywhere on the web, and bookmark your favourite sites. Download it now http://ca.toolbar.yahoo.com.

To all! Thank you for this wonderful geography site. >From one who enjoys seeing areas where the ancestors resided. A part of our heritage to view. Gail Canada > web site _www.geograph.org.uk_ (http://www.geograph.org.uk) The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORTHUMBRIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Michael, Thanks very much for the photos of Horse Close - its great to see a possible home of one of my ancestors. Also thanks for the interesting snippets from the Newcastle Courant. That map site is a new one for me - have bookmarked it. Thanks again. Jan ----- Original Message ----- From: <Dixymick@aol.com> To: <northumbria@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2009 1:47 PM Subject: Re: [NMB] Where is this place on Family Search? - Horseclose > > Jan, > > It is very probable that "your" Horse Close is one of the two within the > Parish of Haltwhistle, and not the other Horse Close farms/communities, > eg. > near Mickley, Simonburm parish etc. > > For modern day photos of the Horse Close farm within the Melkridge > Township > of Haltwhistle use "NY740640" ( or "NY7464) as search criterion with in > web site _www.geograph.org.uk_ (http://www.geograph.org.uk)

All George Fothergill was appointed Harbour Master (or Quaymaster) of Newcastle in April 1809 and was still serving in the post on 11.10.1828 (according to the Newcastle Courant) I believe he may be my 5 x gt grandfather but there is the possibility that he may be his son. My George Fothergill was baptised 1.11.1747 All Saints and was a 'mariner' when he married Elizabeth Forster 19.5.1771 at Tanfield and also on the birth of his children 1772-1782 at least One of his sons was also named George (baptised 3.7.1774 All Saints). Did his wife Elizabeth die shortly after 1782 as the 'supply of children' ceases after only 10 years. My question is which one was more likley to be the 'Harbour master'? My gtx5 grandfather would have been 62 in April 1809 and his son would only have been 35 but in 1828 they would have been 81 and 54 respectively Are there any records as to when he was succeeded in the post? Many thanks Mike Fairless

Jan, It is very probable that "your" Horse Close is one of the two within the Parish of Haltwhistle, and not the other Horse Close farms/communities, eg. near Mickley, Simonburm parish etc. For modern day photos of the Horse Close farm within the Melkridge Township of Haltwhistle use "NY740640" ( or "NY7464) as search criterion with in web site _www.geograph.org.uk_ (http://www.geograph.org.uk) The photos are supplemented by a small clear map. For the other Haltwhistle Horse close, in the Featherstone Township input NY6661... no photo of farm, but a nice map. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------------------- Articles from newspaper The Newcastle Courant 27 Nov 1824 " FARMS TO LET.... at the Sun Inn, Haltwhistle : : : 6th. A Farm in the Township of Featherstone aforesaid called Horse Close, containing 46 acres of rich Arable, Meadow and Pasture ground, tithe-free of corn and hay together with a good Dwelling House and suitable Farm Buildings In the possession of John and Thomas Roe. Lime and Coal of the best quality, not more than a mile distant at a low price. : :Edward Proud of Featherstone aforesaid, will show the (six) different farms........." 12 Jan 1838 Dead of Mr William Mitchinson aged 75 at Horse Close, near Prudhoe And about two dozen other mentions, including Horse Close at Stocksfield (Bywell St Peter), Berwick upon Tweed, Simonburm and Whittingham ( not to mention other Horse Close outside of Northumberland. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------- The 1860 Ordance Map 6" version, shows a Horseclose Wood, about 1 mile west of Prudhoe town. Earlier called Horse Close Plantation. The newspaper adverts for the Stocksfield Horse Close were for sale of wood, i.e. 142 oak trees etc. Michael

Hi Cindy, I've just been looking at my tree, and I don't think I have a Cuthbert RIDLEY who was born in 1740. I have a Cuthbert RIDLEY who was baptised in 1765 and his parents were Matthew RIDLEY and Ann(e) HUDSPETH. Matthew RIDLEY'S parents were Cuthbert RIDLEY and Margaret MALLABAR. (have no dates for them yet) Does any of that ring any bells? The above people were researched by someone else, so I haven't too much detail about them at the moment. Jan. ----- Original Message ----- From: <otisboat@aol.com> To: <northumbria@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2009 11:57 PM Subject: Re: [NMB] Where is this place on Family Search? RIDLEY > Hi Jan, > Any relation to Cuthbert RIDLEY b. 1740? > My Ridleys were born at Mickley Farms. > Thanks, > Cindy > otisboat@aol.com >

Thanks very much to Kath and Jennette for showing me the waggonways site, where the possible locations are for my ancestor who lived at Horse Close. It's very helpful. Jan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kath Liddell" <k_liddell@btinternet.com> To: <northumbria@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 12:10 AM Subject: Re: [NMB] Where is this place on Family Search? > Using Jennette's same waggonways site and this link > > http://sites.google.com/site/waggonways/ny/65/ny6560 > > Horse Close Melkridge is in NE corner, coordinates ~ 741 642 > Horse Close Featherstone (near Kellah), W side ~ 669 613 > > Both of these would be covered by Haltwhistle parish registers. > Kath > ______________________ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jennette Gest" <jgest@tpg.com.au> To: <northumbria@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 3:27 AM Subject: Re: [NMB] Where is this place on Family Search? > Hi Jan > Does look like there is more than one Horse Close, I see there is one by > Melkridge & Kellan both near Haltwhistle. > > Jennette Gest > nee Byrne > QLD AUS