Mike Kendall wrote: > Ultimately I would like to make contact with anyone from this lineage; > Isaac Newgreen Kendall was my grand uncle, oldest brother to my > grandfather of Barrow in Furness. Mike Given your stated goal of contacting living relatives, and the fact that your entire query seems geared to that end, I'm afraid that your post is completely out of order. We have a strict rule here - you must not use the NORTHUMBRIA list to help identify, locate or contact living people. This thread is closed. Brian -- Brian Pears (Gateshead, UK) http://www.bpears.org.uk/ Joint List Admin NORTHUMBRIA Genealogy Mailing List GENUKI Northumberland Maintainer

Thanks again, Vivienne and for finding young Robert > Margaret, aged 62, was found with her daughter, Sarah, and grandson, Robert, > in 1871, indexed as Punsher. > RG10 5010 Folio 99 Pages 21/22 Schedule 107 > 33 Sans Street, Sunderland the rest of the family, indexed as Panshon. 1871 RG10 5007 folio 81 page 86 and folio 82 page 87 schedule 500 44 Moor Street, Sunderland Robert PUNSHON head mar 32 Engine Fitter, b Sunderland Ann PUNSHON wife mar 25 b Sunderland William PUNSHON son 4 b Bishopwearmouth Ann PUNSHON dau 2 b Bishopwearmouth Margaret PUNSHON dau 11 months b Bishopwearmouth It looks as though Annie died in the Mar Q of 1895 in Sunderland aged 48 ref 10a 381 and Robert in Mar 1901 in Sunderland aged 61 ref 10a 404 so they do not appear on the 1901 census thanks again everyone - as always the list has been most helpful Heather

Robert (b.1abt. 1840), wife, Ann, and family found indexed as Panshon. Details sent to Heather. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Heather Punshon" <punshon@sasktel.net> To: <northumbria@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2009 8:46 PM Subject: [NMB] Help with 1871 CENSUS >I am hoping that someone with better eyes than mine can help me find a > PUNSHON family in 1871, probably in Sunderland.

Margaret, aged 62, was found with her daughter, Sarah, and grandson, Robert, in 1871, indexed as Punsher. Info. has been sent to Heather. Vivienne Toronto, Canada ----- Original Message ----- From: "Heather Punshon" <punshon@sasktel.net> To: <northumbria@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2009 8:46 PM Subject: [NMB] Help with 1871 CENSUS >I am hoping that someone with better eyes than mine can help me find a > PUNSHON family in 1871, probably in Sunderland. > They seem to have completely vanished, so I am assuming that the name is

Thank you very much to Brian, Betty and Vivienne for their rapid discovery of Margaret PUNSHON, Sarah and young Robert - in Sans Street [of course!]. Now can anyone find the married Robert PUNSHON who should be 31 years of age, his wife Ann and their 3 children, William aged 4, Anne aged 2 and Margaret a few months old??? Thanks Heather 1861 CENSUS for Sunderland. RG9/3779 Folio 15 Page 26 Schedule No 143 14 Sans St Margaret PUNSHON Head W 52 Retired Dressmaker DUR Sunderland Margaret PUNSHON Daur Un 23 - - - DUR Sunderland Robert PUNSHON Son Un 21 Fitter DUR Sunderland Thomas PUNSHON Son -- 13 Scholar DUR Sunderland Sarah PUNSHON Daur -- 10 Scholar DUR Sunderland 1881 CENSUS for SUNDERLAND 23 Henry St East Bishopwearmouth, DUR RG11 Piece 4995 Folio 83 Page 62 Robert PUNSHON M 41 M Sunderland, Dur Head Engine Fitter Anne PUNSHON M 35 F Sunderland, Dur Wife William PUNSHON 14 M Sunderland, Dur Son Scholar Anne PUNSHON 12 F Sunderland, Dur Daur Scholar Margaret PUNSHON 10 F Sunderland, Dur Daur Scholar Mary A. PUNSHON 9 F Sunderland, Dur Daur Scholar Clara PUNSHON 7 F Sunderland, Dur Daur Scholar Robert PUNSHON 4 M Glamorgan, Wales Son Scholar John G. PUNSHON 1 M Glamorgan, Wales Son Robert and Ann were married in Sunderland in 1866 Their marriage is registered in the December Quarter 10a 683 and Anne's maiden name is Ann THOMSON

I am hoping that someone with better eyes than mine can help me find a PUNSHON family in 1871, probably in Sunderland. They seem to have completely vanished, so I am assuming that the name is badly mistranscribed or that they moved to somewhere quite unexpected.. I have copied the relevant 1851, 1861 and 1881 census entries below. thanks for any help Heather 1851 CENSUS HO 107 piece 2397 folio 320 page 34 sch 163 14 Sans Street, Sunderland - all b Sunderland Robert PUNSHON head mar 48 Plasterer Mary PUNSHON wife mar 42 - shoulld be Margaret, but clearly says Mary, or at a stretch Marg - perhaps used as a shortened form of her name. William PUNSHON son unm 22 bricklayer Margret PUNSHON dau sun 13 scholar Robert PUNSHON son 11 scholar Thomas PUNSHON son 3 scholar Sarah Jane PUNSHON dau 1 month 1861 CENSUS for Sunderland. RG9/3779 Folio 15 Page 26 Schedule No 143 14 Sans St Margaret PUNSHON Head W 52 Retired Dressmaker DUR Sunderland Margaret PUNSHON Daur Un 23 - - - DUR Sunderland Robert PUNSHON Son Un 21 Fitter DUR Sunderland Thomas PUNSHON Son -- 13 Scholar DUR Sunderland Sarah PUNSHON Daur -- 10 Scholar DUR Sunderland 1871 not found 1881 CENSUS 7 Granville St Bishopwearmouth, Durham, England RG11 Piece 4990 Folio 49 Page 2 Margaret PUNSHON W 72 F Westoe, Durham, Head Annuitant Sarah PUNSHON U 29 F Sunderland, Durham, Daur Domestic Robert PUNSHON 11 M Sunderland, Durham, Grandson Scholar 1881 CENSUS for SUNDERLAND 23 Henry St East Bishopwearmouth, DUR RG11 Piece 4995 Folio 83 Page 62 Robert PUNSHON M 41 M Sunderland, Dur Head Engine Fitter Anne PUNSHON M 35 F Sunderland, Dur Wife William PUNSHON 14 M Sunderland, Dur Son Scholar Anne PUNSHON 12 F Sunderland, Dur Daur Scholar Margaret PUNSHON 10 F Sunderland, Dur Daur Scholar Mary A. PUNSHON 9 F Sunderland, Dur Daur Scholar Clara PUNSHON 7 F Sunderland, Dur Daur Scholar Robert PUNSHON 4 M Glamorgan, Wales Son Scholar John G. PUNSHON 1 M Glamorgan, Wales Son Robert and Ann were married in Sunderland in 1866 Their marriage is registered in the December Quarter 10a 683 and Anne's maiden name is Ann THOMSON

Hi Mike How does the family below fit with the info you have? 1841 census HO107/299/9 Folio 53 Sunderland Township South_ Pottery Thomas Fothergill, 30, Labourer N[ot born in county} Mary 30 N Margaret 14 N Jane 9 N John 7 N Mary 5 N George 2 N 1851 Census HO107/2398 Folio 183 p15 Monkwearmouth Shore Charles St Thomas Fothergill Hd Mar 43 labourer born Westmorland Horton Margaret do wife 43 DUR Monkth John do son 17 Shipwright (apprentice) Cumberland Ainstestable? George Gibb son in law 8 DUR Monkth Shore 1861 Census Sunderland RG9/3783 Folio 95 p30 Sunderland, Monkwearmouth Shore, Ecc district - St Peters 68 Dock St Margaret Fothergale Hd W 56 born DUR Monkth George Gibb son Un 18 Shipwright born do There is a Margaret Gibb on the same page as a Thomas Fothergill on FreeBMD marriages for the Mar q 1846 and some earlier deaths that could tie up with this family. Ingrid On 24/11/2009, at 5:56 AM, Fairless, Michael wrote: > I am looking to identify this Thomas Fothergill ... > It would be nice if I could find him on the 1841 or 1851 census or > does > anyone have any relationship to him. I did some basic research on him > some time ago (unfortunatley mislaid) and I seem to recall that there > was a possibility that I had found his wife in the Sunderland area > on a > post 1859 census where I think after his deportation she claimed to > be a > 'widow'. >

Hello List! I need your help in researching from 1900 to date. Family details are provided below to assist you in determining what resources may be of value at this point while I order GRO certificates. Directories (1903-1977) are available at the Newcastle Local Studies Centre with Land Tax and Electoral Rolls at the TWAS if someone would volunteer to peek into these at your convenience, otherwise I look forward to your guidance. Ultimately I would like to make contact with anyone from this lineage; Isaac Newgreen Kendall was my grand uncle, oldest brother to my grandfather of Barrow in Furness. (1) Isaac Newgreen KENDALL B: Jun qtr 1874 - Whitehaven, Cumberland M: 31 Mar 1902 - Barrow-in-Furness, Lancashire D: 26 Apr 1943 - Newcastle, Northumberland Buried 28 Apr 1943 - Newcastle, Northumberland (Elswick Cemetery- grave number U uncon-105) Residences: 1903 - 55 Sycamore Street, Newcastle 1943- possibly 418 Westgate Road, Newcastle Wife Bessie Georgina Kendall nee Lehrle B:31 Mar 1877 (Barrow-in-Furness, Lancashire) D:Sep 1997 (Newcastle) [Burial info already requested from TWAS and Bereavement Services, Newcastle City Council] CHILDREN Only one child that I'm aware of, but there may be others: (2) Arthur Kendall B: 22 Jan 1903, Newcastle M: Dec qtr 1929, Newcastle to Hannah ROUND D: Mar qtr 1969, Newcastle [Burial info already requested from TWAS and Bereavement Services, Newcastle City Council] Wife Hannah Kendall nee Round B: 26 Jul 1909, Newcastle D: July 1997, Newcastle Children (3) Arthur D. Kendall B: Sep qtr 1930, Newcastle M: Dec qtr 1954, Newcastle to possibly still living D: Aug 2003, Newcastle and two others believed to still be living Arthur D. and wife had four children, all still believed to be living. Attempting to find all living relatives of my Tree, I e-mailed one of them, but based on the lack of replies I have to assume I either caught him by surprise and/or that he doesn't want to have any further contact. With this hesitancy in mind, I would like to get as much information as possible with your help before I attempt to make any further contact with other siblings through the post, which leads me to my last question. Is "cold calling" (ringing possible relatives in a given area introducing yourself and interests in family research) frowned upon in England? I've had great success using this technique stateside once all other avenues have been exhausted and would like to know if I could consider this a possibility in the future in Northumberland. With great appreciation, Mike Kendall New Mexico USA _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/177141665/direct/01/

Hi See following site for ship's list for Sultana departing 1859 to Western Australia, cites his name. http://members.iinet.net.au/~perthdps/convicts/con-wa26.html Note there is a Mt Eliza in Western Australia and also in Victoria. So which did he die in? Regards Glenda

Hi Geoff Expect they would be making beer, which your man on the street would be drinking in place of unsanitary water in 1700's maybe? Regards Glenda

In a message dated 24/11/2009 12:15:26 GMT Standard Time, glendalight@manx.net writes: Expect they would be making beer, which your man on the street would be drinking in place of unsanitary water in 1700's maybe? Who knows? Personally I would have thought there would be no shortage of decent drinking water in a place like Chatton. I associate the drinking of beer rather than water, for "safety" reasons, as something that applied mainly in towns, where the drinking water supply often came from a polluted river or stream, not the pure Northumbrian spring water the people of Chatton would be blessed with. Of course, beer would be (and most certainly still is!) produced and consumed purely for its own sake, so you could still be correct. However, I was thinking of the illicit whisky stills of which traces have been found in Coquetdale, and of the fact that a large proportion of the families found in north Northumberland were of Scottish origin when I mentioned whisky! Geoff Nicholson

All I am looking to identify this Thomas Fothergill who was convicted of manslaughter and deported to Australia He was born about 1806/1807 and at the time of his trial he was married with three children. His deportation papers say that he was a 'bricklayer'. His "Ticket of Leave date" (his release date??) was 14.2.1862 and he died 5.6.1880 Mt Eliza, Australia It would be nice if I could find him on the 1841 or 1851 census or does anyone have any relationship to him. I did some basic research on him some time ago (unfortunatley mislaid) and I seem to recall that there was a possibility that I had found his wife in the Sunderland area on a post 1859 census where I think after his deportation she claimed to be a 'widow'. Can anyone add anything to this story, before or after the incident ? Thanks Mike Fairless >From The Times 30/7/1856 for Northern Sessions held on 28/7/1856. Mr. Justice Willes arrived at this town From Durham this morning, and, having opened the commission, attended Divine service in the parish church, and immediately afterwards sat in the Guildhall for the trial of the towns prisoners. The town calendar contains an entry of six prisoners, one of whom is charged with uttering a forged post-office order, one with murder, and the rest with ordinary larcenies. The grand jury having been charged, his Lordship sat at 1 o'clock for the trial of the town prisoners. Thomas Fothergill, aged 49, was charged with the willful murder of John Smith, on the 14th of May last. Mr. Seyrnour and Mr. L. R. Bayley prosecuted, and the Hon. Adolphius Liddell defended the prisoner. It appeared that the prisoner and the deceased had worked in the same employment as "navvies," at Elswick quarry, near Newcastle, in May last, and that the deceased had been a kind of overlooker over the prisoner. On the 3rd of May last the prisoner and a man named Dunn were excavating a quantity of clay, the deceased wheeling off in' harrows what they dug out. The deceased had before expressed a contemptuous opinion of the prisoner, and on that day complained of the slowness of the work, which he said would not be the case if a better man were in the prisoner's place. This expression; combined with what the deceased had previously said, seemed to have greatly exasperated the prisoner, for he immediately rushed at the deceased, and struck him on the head with the pickaxe with which he was working at the time. The blow knocked the deceased down on the wheelbarrow, and then the prisoner struck him again with the pickaxe on the body.. The deceased was lifted up by a fellow-workman, and after a time was able to walk to his lodgings, from where he was conducted to the Newcastle Infirmary, where he died 10 days afterwards of the injuries ha had received. On examination it appeared that he had received a wound on the temporal. bone, which had driven it in and had lacerated the brain; and the spleen was also found to be torn by external injury. either injury was sufficient to cause death. 'For the defence, it was admitted that mere words were no extenuation of, the violence which had caused death but it was submitted that the blows had been struck in hot-blood when the prisoner had been greatly aggravated by the taunts of the deceased; and evidence was also given that the prisoner bore a character for being a very quiet, hardworking man. It was also submitted that a verdict of "Guilty of manslaughter would meet the justice of the case. His Lordship having summed up the evidence, pointing out to the jury the law. The jury after retiring for a short time found the prisoner Guilty of manslaughter. , His Lordship in passing sentence commented on the use of such a weapon as a pickaxe. If the prisoner in his anger had resorted to the weapons which nature gave him - namely to his fists , no great harm would probably have resulted. But he must mark in this case,, as in all others, the resort to a deadly weapon. The sentence of the court was, that he be transported for life. Deported 26.5.1859 on Sultana to Australia.

Thank you both very much for your replies, I had wondered about that . The others are farms so I thought perhaps this one was too but maybe not! Belinda

Brian, Thanks for the info. regards Brian Robson ======================================== Message Received: Nov 22 2009, 08:23 PM From: "Brian Pears" To: northumbria@rootsweb.com Cc: Subject: Re: [NMB] DNAR web site > I wonder if someone could help me. > I have been given a web site for bishops transcripts etc for Northumberland & Durham - DNAR.org.uk . However I have not been able to navigate to where I can do a search . > regards Brian That website has nothing whatsoever to do with the Durham Bishop's Transcripts. The correct URL is http://search.labs.familysearch.org/recordsearch/ Click on "Browse our record collections" Click on Europe on the Map Select "England, Diocese of Durham ..." Brian -- Brian Pears (Gateshead, UK) http://www.bpears.org.uk/ Joint List Admin NORTHUMBRIA Genealogy Mailing List GENUKI Northumberland Maintainer The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORTHUMBRIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

To all who gave me information about Hathery Burn, many thanks. As I found it named in the Whitley chapel parish registers, I have discounted the Stanhope one. The Hexham High Quarter one seems the correct one. Thanks again for all the interesting tidbits and map references given by listers. Gen in NBL _________________________________________________________________ Have more than one Hotmail account? Link them together to easily access both http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/186394591/direct/01/

In a message dated 22/11/2009 12:45:32 GMT Standard Time, Belindadance@aol.com writes: My ancestor Robert Humble b 1764, was born at Chatton Quarry House and his father also lived at Chatton Draw Kill House, Linkylaw and Brownrigg. I can't find Draw Kill House but have been to see the other three properties which still exist. Does anyone have any idea where Draw Kill House may have been? I agree with other comments re "kill" being really "kiln". In Vol 14 of the New County History of Northumberland, edited by Madelaine Hope Dodds (1935), page 210 (Chatton Parish), it says that "in 1700 Gilbert Swinhoe held the mill and the kiln (?malt kiln) for a rent of £9 (Alnwick Castle MSS B, i, no 6). The mill was beside the River Till, as it was a water corn mill and earlier references to it mention also the mill-haugh (ie the flood-plain of the river) and the Mill Island. One wonders about the use of the malt-kiln. Were the millers running a side-line in home-made whisky, I wonder? In any case, the mill was near/in Chatton Park, a little to the east of the village. The Northumberland Communiities web-site will give you a lot of general background about Chatton, though it tends to be biased towards the 19th century. Geoff Nicholson

I wonder if someone could help me. I have been given a web site for bishops transcripts etc for Northumberland & Durham - DNAR.org.uk . However I have not been able to navigate to where I can do a search . regards Brian Robson

> I wonder if someone could help me. > I have been given a web site for bishops transcripts etc for Northumberland & Durham - DNAR.org.uk . However I have not been able to navigate to where I can do a search . > regards Brian That website has nothing whatsoever to do with the Durham Bishop's Transcripts. The correct URL is http://search.labs.familysearch.org/recordsearch/ Click on "Browse our record collections" Click on Europe on the Map Select "England, Diocese of Durham ..." Brian -- Brian Pears (Gateshead, UK) http://www.bpears.org.uk/ Joint List Admin NORTHUMBRIA Genealogy Mailing List GENUKI Northumberland Maintainer

Hello All, > Looking for a volunteer to visit and photograph a site for me. > Isaac Newgreen Kendall (1874-1946), grave number U uncon-105, in the > SE corner of the cemetery (corner of Westview and St. John's Road). I have WOOD ancestors buried in St Johns Westgate and Elswick Cemetery - please could someone tell me if this is this the same one as mentioned above and I wondered if, while anyone is taking photos, if they could look for mine too?? I know this is cheeky but "if you dont ask - you dont get" as my Dad used to say. Many thanks, Julie.

In message <c67.65cff8d9.383a8c49@aol.com>, Belindadance@aol.com writes >My ancestor Robert Humble b 1764, was born at Chatton Quarry House and his >father also lived at Chatton Draw Kill House, Linkylaw and Brownrigg. I >can't find Draw Kill House but have been to see the other three properties >which still exist. Does anyone have any idea where Draw Kill House may have >been? >The other properties are fairly remote, do I presume that Robert's father >was a tenant sheep farmer or "hired hand"? He was born nearer to Bamburgh >and Robert himself became a master tailor ( according to later parish records > when his children were born). >Thankyou. > > Hello, I am wondering if the name would have been Draw Kiln House and it may have been near the lime quarry/works? <http://www.keystothepast.info/durhamcc/K2P.nsf/K2PDetail?readform&PRN=N2 1785> -- Helen Oram