I may be able to help you as we have extensive notes on the Falcus (and Fawcus) families in the north-east back to the 17th century but I don't know who the father of your James Fawcus was. Have you considered purchasing the marriage certificate? Mike Fairless -----Original Message----- From: northumbria-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:northumbria-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Nancy Gibb Sent: 07 December 2009 21:00 To: NORTHUMBRIA@rootsweb.com Subject: [NMB] FAWCUS, BONE & ARKLE Hello, I'm a new lister. I'm searching for descendants of James FAWCUS and Isabel BONE or ARKLE, who were married in Newcastle in 1861. They had 4 children according to the 1881 Census (the only one I have seen so far), all born in Newcastle: Margaret b abt 1862, Francis b abt 1863, James b abt 1864 and Isabella b abt 1868. Father James died before 1881. The family were living in Gateshead Durham in 1881. Mother Isabel died 1899 or 1900. With the exception of Isabel, all the ARKLE family emigrated to New Zealand, where there are a great many descendants. Nancy The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORTHUMBRIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

In a message dated 08/12/2009 15:28:39 GMT Standard Time, member@dorking17.freeserve.co.uk writes: A number of years ago I managed to find a Parish record of Falstone Baptisms but unfortunately did not record where I found it. Despite searching again I have not been able to relocate the records again. The obvious I would have thought would be "Simonburn" The records I have show Baptisms by the Rev. James Wood (Minister) Does anyone know where I should look and is it likely that they would appear in Bishops Transcripts bearing in mind that they were Presbyterians This shows how necessary it is to maintain records of where information is located. regards Brian Robson Brian: According to the National Index of Parish Registers, Falstone parish registers have been deposited in Northumberland County Record Office (now at Woodhorn), Baps 1742-1812, Marrs 1747-1755 and 1778-1938, Banns 1777-1812 and Burials 1750-1929. There are microfilms of the originals, Baps 1742-1959, Marrs 1747-1755 and 1778-1958, Banns 1825-1958 and Burials 1750-1929, at both Woodhorn and Salt Lake City (from which the films may be hired very cheaply for viewing at your nearest LDS Family History Library). The Baps 1743-1875 and hte Marrs 1748-1877 are on the IGI and the BTs, which are in Durham University Library, Archives and Special Collections, with digitised images on the LDS web-site, run from 1770 to 1856 "with gaps". So - as always, it all depends on what you are seeking and for which period. Please note that my source was published in 1984: there could well have been further deposits since then. PLase also note that this all refers to Falstone C of E church. There is a simlar, but different, story about the registers of Falstone Presbyterian Church. Geoff Niciholson

On 8/12/09 09:20, "NEGenealogy@aol.com" <NEGenealogy@aol.com> wrote: > Can anyone tell me where Carrick Street Gateshead was/is? > Robin: > > According to my 1919 25-inch map of central Gateshead, Carrick > Street ran westwards from near the north end of Hector Street. much of its > north side was taken up with a school, with an adjacent "hall", but the rest > of the north side and all the south side was housing. > > As I understand it, the site was in the notorious "Barn Close" area, Thanks Geoff I suppose Wylam Street was the same. Was Mulgrave Terrace a 'better ' address? Robin

Hello, I'm a new lister. I'm searching for descendants of James FAWCUS and Isabel BONE or ARKLE, who were married in Newcastle in 1861. They had 4 children according to the 1881 Census (the only one I have seen so far), all born in Newcastle: Margaret b abt 1862, Francis b abt 1863, James b abt 1864 and Isabella b abt 1868. Father James died before 1881. The family were living in Gateshead Durham in 1881. Mother Isabel died 1899 or 1900. With the exception of Isabel, all the ARKLE family emigrated to New Zealand, where there are a great many descendants. Nancy

Can anyone tell me where Carrick Street Gateshead was/is? We have LANNEN and WALKER family there around 1929 Robin

In a message dated 08/12/2009 08:57:47 GMT Standard Time, robin@scottishwool.com writes: Can anyone tell me where Carrick Street Gateshead was/is? Robin: According to my 1919 25-inch map of central Gateshead, Carrick Street ran westwards from near the north end of Hector Street. much of its north side was taken up with a school, with an adjacent "hall", but the rest of the north side and all the south side was housing. As I understand it, the site was in the notorious "Barn Close" area, notorious because it had been the site of a very old quarry, from which the stone of which most of central Gateshead was built had been taken. When the quarry became disused, probably several centuries ago, it became the receptacle for all the town's rubbish. Once that rubbish reached street level the site was used for housing. Of course, the land was unstable and ill-drained so the foundations settled and cracked, the houses became damp and rats were attracted by all the waste underlying the buildings. No matter what was done any housing built in that district rapidly became slums. The solution was only implemented in the 1970s. The whole site was cleared and the old quarry was also cleared out, in the name of creating a "cut and cover" Metro station for Gateshead. Nowadays the rather spacious Metro station is underground and the surface is occupied by the main Gateshead bus station. There is no trace left of Carrick Street. I'm sorry I have no idea who (or what) Carrick was. Possibly some 19th century councillor, or else a speculative builder. Perhaps someone else knows. Geoff Nicholson

I am trying to find a marriage record for Isabella Miller who married Robert Paxton in c 1832. I think they were married in Tweedmouth in England but I can find no record of the marriage. They had a son, Robert, who was born in 1833 and they lived,worked and died in Tweedmouth and are found there in al the census. All help greatly appreciated as I want to try and trace Isabella's parents. Susan

Nandor Petrov wrote: > I found the Wales website of Place Names an asset as I also have ancestors from there. Try to remember > that most of us have roots in more than one place and getting extra information can be a bonus. Yes, but I shouldn't have raised the topic on this list. Brian -- Brian Pears (Gateshead, UK) http://www.bpears.org.uk/ Joint List Admin NORTHUMBRIA Genealogy Mailing List GENUKI Northumberland Maintainer

In a message dated 07/12/2009 15:42:18 GMT Standard Time, macpark@ntlworld.com writes: I am trying to find a marriage record for Isabella Miller who married Robert Paxton in c 1832. I think they were married in Tweedmouth in England but I can find no record of the marriage. They had a son, Robert, who was born in 1833 and they lived,worked and died in Tweedmouth and are found there in al the census. All help greatly appreciated as I want to try and trace Isabella's parents. Susan Susan: After referring to the NDFHS index of ALL marriages in Northumberland 1813-37 I can say that this couple were not married, at least not under the names and spellings you give, anywhere in Northumberland in that period. Possibly the clerk recorded their names with some unconventional spelling, but I would have probably noticed if that had been the case. I have also looked at the two NDFHS volumes of marriages at Lamberton Toll and other Border Marriage Houses, but they did not reveal it either. I suspect that, like many other families from north Northumberland, their roots lay in Scotland and as a result they were Presbyterians (the Church of Scotland, the Kirk, is Presbyterian). As such they would hold their baptisms at local Presbyterian churches, of which there were many, and their burials would more or less have to be in the local churchyard, as there was nowhere else at that time. However, until 1837 the Law said that all weddings in England or Wales had to be in a Church of England parish church. The only way out for English Presbyterians was to cross the nearby Border and go into Scotland. There they would have the choice of either marrying in a Church of Scotland church or of marrying "by declaration in front of witnesses", which they could do anywhere, a favourite for English Presbyterians being in a Border Marriage House. The best-known of those were at the western end of the Border, at Gretna Green, but at the eastern end ("our end") there were several, including the major one at Lamberton Toll, at the point where the London to Edinburgh "Great North Road", now the A1 crosses the Border. People there were in Scotland all right, but only by a few feet. Some of the records of the Marriage Houses have been destroyed, some survive but are either in private hands or are with solicitors etc who charge inordinate fees for access, some are deposited in institutions, usually Scottish ones, and a precious handful have been published, the two NDFHS volumes I have referred to being just about all that is available for the eastern end of the Border. The best collection of such records, transcripts and indexes of such records, is that of Northumberland County Record Office, at Woodhorn. Geoff Nicholson

> In fact I think I owe everyone an > apology for a breach of list rules. I knew that the unknown > place was in Wales so I shouldn't have asked on NORTHUMBRIA. Sorry! > > Brian > -- ....... but there WAS a Sunderland connection, so we'll let you off this time :o) Cheers Pat =================================== Mrs Pat Pierpoint Hon. Secretary and Genealogy Officer Clan Johnston/Johnstone Association (U.K.) =================================== -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. We are a community of 6 million users fighting spam. SPAMfighter has removed 5625 of my spam emails to date. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len The Professional version does not have this message

RAYMOND THOMPSON wrote: > Nantgwyn, Powys looks pretty close. > > Perhaps one of the Welsh lists might be of help. Raymond Yes, a very good point. In fact I think I owe everyone an apology for a breach of list rules. I knew that the unknown place was in Wales so I shouldn't have asked on NORTHUMBRIA. Sorry! Brian -- Brian Pears (Gateshead, UK) http://www.bpears.org.uk/ Joint List Admin NORTHUMBRIA Genealogy Mailing List GENUKI Northumberland Maintainer

Hi Brian, That 1851 census birth place in Wales look like it might begin Nanti----, or perhaps Nanty----- There are a lot of places in Wales that begin Nanty & Nant Y as you no doubt know. I found on this page a list of places in Wales that contains many place names beginning Nant----, you may find something near to what is given in the 1851 entry here. It is from the National Gazeteer of Wales. http://homepage.ntlworld.com/geogdata/ngw/n.htm I suspect that the enumerator had trouble copying that place name from the schedule onto his folio and what you have is his best guess. Regards Jenny DeAngelis Spain. <<> I'm having difficulty interpreting a place of birth on the 1851 > census. The entry is > HO107/2397 Folio 437 Page 8 Schedule 27 > and the unreadable DOB is that of Mary Ann Speakman aged 10. It > reads "???????, Wales". We can't get any clues from other censuses > as they give this person's place of birth at various places in > Yorkshire and Nottinghamshire. > I've put an image of the relevant text temporarily at: > http://www.bpears.org.uk/temp/cawthorne.jpg>>

Helen Oram wrote: > <http://www.bbc.co.uk/wear/content/image_galleries/consett_heritage_galle > ry.shtml?24> Helen Nice pictures, thanks. For those who can't use Helen's link, because it wraps, try: http://tinyurl.com/consett Brian -- Brian Pears (Gateshead, UK) http://www.bpears.org.uk/ Joint List Admin NORTHUMBRIA Genealogy Mailing List GENUKI Northumberland Maintainer

Hi, Just found these pictures whilst browsing the web. <http://www.bbc.co.uk/wear/content/image_galleries/consett_heritage_galle ry.shtml?24> -- Helen Oram

Hi Some excellent suggestions there - many thanks to everyone who has replied. Brian -- Brian Pears (Gateshead, UK) http://www.bpears.org.uk/ Joint List Admin NORTHUMBRIA Genealogy Mailing List GENUKI Northumberland Maintainer

Brian,   Nantgwyn, Powys looks pretty close.    Perhaps one of the Welsh lists might be of help.   Happy Trails,   Raymond.

Brian, I found the Wales website of Place Names an asset as I also have ancestors from there. Try to remember that most of us have roots in more than one place and getting extra information can be a bonus. Gail Canada > > Perhaps one of the Welsh lists might be of help. Raymond Yes, a very good point. In fact I think I owe everyone an apology for a breach of list rules. I knew that the unknown place was in Wales so I shouldn't have asked on NORTHUMBRIA. Sorry! Brian -- Brian Pears (Gateshead, UK) http://www.bpears.org.uk/

Hi Brian Quite a few places beginning with "Nant" in my atlas, but of course this could be a tiny place not on the usual maps. The ones I've come across don't really fit, but here goes: Nantperis, Nant-y-moel, Nanternis, Nantgaredig, Nantglyn, Nantgarw (Cardiff), Nantmel, Nantmor, Nantgwyn. Cheers Pat =================================== Mrs Pat Pierpoint Hon. Secretary and Genealogy Officer Clan Johnston/Johnstone Association (U.K.) =================================== > -----Original Message----- > From: northumbria-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:northumbria-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Brian Pears > Sent: 07 December 2009 00:09 > To: northumbria@rootsweb.com > Subject: [NMB] Place of Birth ? > > > Hi > > I'm having difficulty interpreting a place of birth on the > 1851 census. The entry is > > HO107/2397 Folio 437 Page 8 Schedule 27 > > and the unreadable DOB is that of Mary Ann Speakman aged 10. > It reads "???????, Wales". We can't get any clues from other > censuses as they give this person's place of birth at various > places in Yorkshire and Nottinghamshire. -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. We are a community of 6 million users fighting spam. SPAMfighter has removed 5625 of my spam emails to date. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len The Professional version does not have this message

2009/12/7 Brian Pears <bp@bpears.org.uk> > > HO107/2397 Folio 437 Page 8 Schedule 27 > > and the unreadable DOB is that of Mary Ann Speakman aged 10. It > reads "???????, Wales". > Hi, I read it as "Nantigwin" - which I guess might be a reasonable attempt at Nantygwyn for an enumerator in Sunderland! Karen

Best offering I can give is :- Nantglyn http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/DEN/Nantglyn/ Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > Hi > > I'm having difficulty interpreting a place of birth on the 1851 > census. The entry is > > HO107/2397 Folio 437 Page 8 Schedule 27 > > and the unreadable DOB is that of Mary Ann Speakman aged 10. It > reads "???????, Wales". We can't get any clues from other censuses > as they give this person's place of birth at various places in > Yorkshire and Nottinghamshire.