On 10/12/09 11:53, "NEGenealogy@aol.com" <NEGenealogy@aol.com> wrote: > > If only you had asked this question yesterday! Thanks Geoff One of those oft made comments of the family historian.... We've had great support from Anthea Laing over the years and I'm pleased to say that a friend who is working on this same family was in the Gateshead library last week and he said " While up North, I visited the family research centre in Gateshead. They have experienced helpers in attendance and I made them privy to our search for Henrietta and James. They racked their brains for quite a while but could not come up with a solution. What a lovely bunch of people researchers are!" He had a challenging time as a time consuming search in pre 1858 wills at Whithorn came up with nothing for a known will where the death was in 1855 and we have a partial extract stating 'will was proved on the 24th February 1855' The 'search' is our struggle to find Henrietta (nee FENWICK) and James GARDNER in the 1891 Census with daughter Alice May age 5 born in Newcastle. Yesterday we were able to consult the Wills Calendar in Carlisle Castle and found out that they were in 'Belvedere Street Heaton' in January 1888 (Admon for her mothers estate). So now plan to check addresses in Heaton in 1891. Robin

Many thanks to Mike Fairless and John Ayton for replying to my initial posting. Mike - no, haven't got the marriage certificate, but it's certainly an idea. John - you asked: > Could you elaborate a bit. Was Isabella Bone a widow when she married James Fawcus and born an Arkle?? No. Isabella was 21 when she married James Fawcus. She was born in about 1840 in Little Houghton, Northumberland; her mother was Margaret Bone, father not stated, and she was baptised Isabella Bone. A year after her birth her mother married Christopher Arkle of Heuxley at Lamberton Toll - an irregular border marriage. The Arkles had 10 other children, the youngest born at sea en route to NZ. Incidentally she died in a shipwreck when aged 33. > In the late 1870s John Arkle aand his wife Margaret emigrated to New Zealand with their children. Their daughter Mary Arkle was married to a Richard Arkle and they settled at Ramarama, South Auckland and the house they lived in is the Pioneer cottage now situated at Roulston Park,Pukekohe. These Arkles were descended from the Arkle family of Elsdon.. Let me konw if you connect with this family. yours John Your John Arkle and wife Margaret Hall were probably not directly related to ours. I need to revise my current information as I've just discovered a possible error. Our Arkles went to Motonua just north of Christchurch in the south island of NZ; Auckland is in the north island. Nancy

Another address challenge... Our GARDNER LANNEN families moved again this time to Robert Place for birth of Patrick Lannen in 1912. Can anyone pinpoint where this is? Given the previous addresses I'd expect it to be in the Barn Close area.

A few days ago I discovered an 1877 book online by the title of "The Letters of the Late James Fawcus MD". James Fawcus (1833-1871) was the son of George Fawcus a shipbuilder from North Shields. He served as a doctor, primarily in India, and after his early death at the age of 38 in 1871, his sister Alice Lietch gathered up his letters to the family and had them published "for private circulation." Most of the letters are to his mother in North Shields and to his sister in Cumberland. There are a few early letters starting when he was eleven but most deal with his time in Asia, particularly his residency in India. When his eldest child, a son, was born he was sent to North Shields to be raised by James' mother and sisters. James contracted malaria in India and returned to North Shields in 1871 where he died at his mother's home. The letters are an interesting and descriptive read about life experienced by a North Shields doctor in India. It would be of particular interest to any descendants of this Fawcus family. The letters show the family to be kind, sweet tempered and highly intelligent. The book can be read online at: http://openlibrary.org/b/OL6639659M/letters_of_the_late_James_Fawcus_M.D. Incidentally, I'm not familiar with the genealogy of this Fawcus family. The book was published by James' sister, Alice Lietch (nee Fawcus) who was married to my 3x gt uncle, David Ross Lietch. Eleanor Clouter, Canada

Hi Ian Many thanks for that. All new stuff to me George Fothergill married Ann Cram 15.9.1755 All Saints, Newcastle and his Sister Sarah Fothergill married Ann's brother George Cram 12.9.1756 and Margery Fothergill (George's daughter, married Ralph Cram in 1795) so I suspect that the John Cram mentioned below is also part of the family Cheers Mike Fairless -----Original Message----- From: northumbria-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:northumbria-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Ian Ridley Sent: 10 December 2009 08:20 To: northumbria@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NMB] Ship on the Tyne Hi Mike, Here is some information on the prospect: Owners of the ship 'PROSPECT' : John Cram,M/M.; George Fothergill,M.; Michael Hymers Cooper, all of Newcastle. Subscribing Owners: Robert Cram, Sailmaker; Jonathan Cram,M.; & the heirs of the late Jonathan Sewell of Newcastle. Master's names: John Cram; William Burnett, 26,Mar. 1793. Thomas Park, 24,Oct. 1794. John Cram, 6,Feb. 1794. William Burnett, 7,Mar. 1794. John Cram, 8,Nov. 1794. William Burnett, 20,Apr. 1795. William Fothergill, 9,Feb. 1796. Joseph Fothergill, 9,Jan. 1798. My connection is I believe through John Cram and his son Samuel 1780 -1848. I have a little bit more info on the Prospect which was given to me by a fellow Cram researcher which I could send you. Regards Ian Ridley I would be grateful if someone could give me any information on a ship named the 'Prospect' on the Tyne in about 1798 (from the Dictionary of Sailing Ships by 'Keys'?)

Hi Mike, Here is some information on the prospect: Owners of the ship 'PROSPECT' : John Cram,M/M.; George Fothergill,M.; Michael Hymers Cooper, all of Newcastle. Subscribing Owners: Robert Cram, Sailmaker; Jonathan Cram,M.; & the heirs of the late Jonathan Sewell of Newcastle. Master's names: John Cram; William Burnett, 26,Mar. 1793. Thomas Park, 24,Oct. 1794. John Cram, 6,Feb. 1794. William Burnett, 7,Mar. 1794. John Cram, 8,Nov. 1794. William Burnett, 20,Apr. 1795. William Fothergill, 9,Feb. 1796. Joseph Fothergill, 9,Jan. 1798. My connection is I believe through John Cram and his son Samuel 1780 -1848. I have a little bit more info on the Prospect which was given to me by a fellow Cram researcher which I could send you. Regards Ian Ridley I would be grateful if someone could give me any information on a ship named the 'Prospect' on the Tyne in about 1798 (from the Dictionary of Sailing Ships by 'Keys'?)

From the fiche sales catalogue of the Northumberland County Council - this is the best source I know of for non-conformist NBL fiche: A140. Falstone Presbyterian Congregation Baptisms, 1737-1763 A139. Falstone & Kielder Presbyterian Baptisms, 1753-1822 I find their website almost unnavigable but if you google for the Northumberland County Council fiche sales catalogue you will get the pdf catalogue. Ingrid On 9/12/2009, at 11:59 PM, william ROBSON wrote: > Hi Geoff, > thanks for your reply ,unfortunately I am looking for the > Presbyterian records which are more difficult to find though I am > sure they exist but more difficult to locate. > Regards > Brian Robson > >

In a message dated 10/12/2009 11:21:15 GMT Standard Time, robin@scottishwool.com writes: Our GARDNER LANNEN families moved again this time to Robert Place for birth of Patrick Lannen in 1912. Can anyone pinpoint where this is? Given the previous addresses I'd expect it to be in the Barn Close area. Sorry, Robin, but I can't find it on any of my maps, nor on any of those printed with Frank Manders' "History of Gateshead". All I can say is that it was not in the Barn Close area. I at first thought it might be one of the narrow alleys leading off either side of the high Street - between West Street and East Steet, say, but it did not seem to be one of them. There was something of a tendency to name the rows of houses along West Street as "Something Place", so possibly it was one of them. If only you had asked this question yesterday! I was at the NDFHS S Tyneside Branch meeting at the Stag's Head, South Shields, last night (Wednesday) where one of the speakers was Anthea Lang, former local studies librarian for Gateshead Library, who now runs the Heritage Centre in the former St Mary's parish church for them. I'm sure she would have been able to tell you or I straight away where it was! Geoff Nicholson

Brian, Check out the family history library catalogue at familysearch.org http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Library/fhlcatalog/supermainframeset.asp?display=localitysearch&columns=*,0,0 By entering Falstone, you will get links to various church records that include the Presbyterian Church. I think you want FHL BRITISH Film 2193527 Items 8 - 15 which you can borrow from your local LDS Family History Centre. It is a filming of the records at the United Reform Church Historical Society (London) that Geoff mentioned. Frank william ROBSON wrote: > Hi Geoff, > thanks for your reply ,unfortunately I am looking for the Presbyterian records which are more difficult to find though I am sure they exist but more difficult to locate. > Regards > >

> Hi all, > The Newcastle Libraries collection of historical photos is now available > for viewing on Flickt at http://www.flickr.com/photos/newcastlelibraries/ > . > > There are currently 6500 historic images of Newcastle and surrounding > areas available. > Jeff Thanks Jeff, your a Star. John Walker, Newcastle upon Tyne little.blobby2@btinternet.com http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~littleblobby/ http://www.freewebs.com/littleblobby/ No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.715 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2554 - Release Date: 12/09/09 07:32:00

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Hello to Geoff and others interested, An 83 year old neighbour here in my village in Suffolk who was born in Gateshead took up my search for Langley Moor Farm and came up today with an OS map 1965 edition sheet 78 which shows right at the bottom (it would be would'nt it!) Langley Moor Farm at southern edge of a wood.Just where you said it would be Geoff. Just thought you may like to know this! Thanks again, Brenda

John Many thanks for that Mike Fairless -----Original Message----- From: northumbria-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:northumbria-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of John Gallon Sent: 09 December 2009 14:46 To: northumbria@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NMB] Ship on the Tyne >I would be grateful if someone could give me any information on a ship >named the 'Prospect' on the Tyne in about 1798 (from the Dictionary of >Sailing Ships by 'Keys'?) It should have been owned by George >Fothergill and perhaps also another ship named 'William' about the >same time with the same owner Finally, the 'Pelican' owned by George >Cram dates not known but probably early 1800s Many thanks Mike >Fairless Dear Mike, The Dictionary of Tyne Sailing Ships by Richard E Keys covers 1830 to 1930. So it does not cover the years you want. John Walker, Newcastle upon Tyne little.blobby2@btinternet.com http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~littleblobby/ http://www.freewebs.com/littleblobby/ No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.715 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2554 - Release Date: 12/09/09 07:32:00 The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORTHUMBRIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

>I would be grateful if someone could give me any information on a ship > named the 'Prospect' on the Tyne in about 1798 (from the Dictionary of > Sailing Ships by 'Keys'?) > It should have been owned by George Fothergill and perhaps also another > ship named 'William' about the same time with the same owner > Finally, the 'Pelican' owned by George Cram dates not known but probably > early 1800s > Many thanks Mike Fairless Dear Mike, The Dictionary of Tyne Sailing Ships by Richard E Keys covers 1830 to 1930. So it does not cover the years you want. John Walker, Newcastle upon Tyne little.blobby2@btinternet.com http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~littleblobby/ http://www.freewebs.com/littleblobby/ No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.715 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2554 - Release Date: 12/09/09 07:32:00

Hi Geoff, thanks for your reply ,unfortunately I am looking for the Presbyterian records which are more difficult to find though I am sure they exist but more difficult to locate. Regards Brian Robson ======================================== Message Received: Dec 08 2009, 04:58 PM From: NEGenealogy@aol.com To: northumbria@rootsweb.com Cc: Subject: Re: [NMB] Robson-Falstone In a message dated 08/12/2009 15:28:39 GMT Standard Time, member@dorking17.freeserve.co.uk writes: A number of years ago I managed to find a Parish record of Falstone Baptisms but unfortunately did not record where I found it. Despite searching again I have not been able to relocate the records again. The obvious I would have thought would be "Simonburn" The records I have show Baptisms by the Rev. James Wood (Minister) Does anyone know where I should look and is it likely that they would appear in Bishops Transcripts bearing in mind that they were Presbyterians This shows how necessary it is to maintain records of where information is located. regards Brian Robson Brian: According to the National Index of Parish Registers, Falstone parish registers have been deposited in Northumberland County Record Office (now at Woodhorn), Baps 1742-1812, Marrs 1747-1755 and 1778-1938, Banns 1777-1812 and Burials 1750-1929. There are microfilms of the originals, Baps 1742-1959, Marrs 1747-1755 and 1778-1958, Banns 1825-1958 and Burials 1750-1929, at both Woodhorn and Salt Lake City (from which the films may be hired very cheaply for viewing at your nearest LDS Family History Library). The Baps 1743-1875 and hte Marrs 1748-1877 are on the IGI and the BTs, which are in Durham University Library, Archives and Special Collections, with digitised images on the LDS web-site, run from 1770 to 1856 "with gaps". So - as always, it all depends on what you are seeking and for which period. Please note that my source was published in 1984: there could well have been further deposits since then. PLase also note that this all refers to Falstone C of E church. There is a simlar, but different, story about the registers of Falstone Presbyterian Church. Geoff Niciholson The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORTHUMBRIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I would be grateful if someone could give me any information on a ship named the 'Prospect' on the Tyne in about 1798 (from the Dictionary of Sailing Ships by 'Keys'?) It should have been owned by George Fothergill and perhaps also another ship named 'William' about the same time with the same owner Finally, the 'Pelican' owned by George Cram dates not known but probably early 1800s Many thanks Mike Fairless

In a message dated 09/12/2009 10:59:29 GMT Standard Time, member@dorking17.freeserve.co.uk writes: thanks for your reply ,unfortunately I am looking for the Presbyterian records which are more difficult to find though I am sure they exist but more difficult to locate. Regards Brian Robson Brian: From the same source as before, Falstone Presbyterian Baptism registers 1735-1817 were in 1984 with the United Reform Church Historical Society (London) and those from 1818 onwards with the incumbent. Northumberland County Record Office (Woodhorn) has a microfilm copy of the originals 1735-1817. The National Index does not recognise transcripts but I would expect there to have been one made, probably only to 1817, by Don Mason in the 1970s or thereabouts. If so then there will probably be copies of it in Newcastle Central Reference Library and in Northumberland County Record Office. You could check the on-line catalogue of the NDFHS Library at Bolbec Hall to see whether they have a copy of a transcript, but I am almost certain they don't. The web site is at _www.ndfhs.org.uk_ (http://www.ndfhs.org.uk) . Of no real help to you but the National Index also mentions Presbyterian Churches at Keilder and at Tynehead, both founded by 1709, the year in which that at Falstone was founded. However, the only note about them is "no registers known", which may mean they never had any registers or, if they did have ones, they have not survived. Geoff Nicholson

In a message dated 09/12/2009 10:09:11 GMT Standard Time, michael.fairless@eds.com writes: I would be grateful if someone could give me any information on a ship named the 'Prospect' on the Tyne in about 1798 (from the Dictionary of Sailing Ships by 'Keys'?) It should have been owned by George Fothergill and perhaps also another ship named 'William' about the same time with the same owner Finally, the 'Pelican' owned by George Cram dates not known but probably early 1800s hi Mike, Try the Mariners list ( _mariners@rootsweb.com_ (mailto:mariners@rootsweb.com) ) if no-one here can help. Very helpful and well informed people on list, Hazel "Life is a roller-coaster...........just got to ride it!"

Hi Nancy, I was interested in your posting as I have Arkles marrying into my family. I'm unsure where the Arkles come into your family here. Could you elaborate a bit. Was Isabella Bone a widow when she married James Fawcus and born an Arkle?? My great grandmother had a half brother and sister who married an Arkle brother and sister. They were Andrew Hall who married Sarah Bell Arkle in 1845 at Elsdon Northumberland. His sister Margaret Hall married his wife's brother John Arkle in 1841 at Ingram. Both these families moved south near Langley Park in Co Durham along with their Arkle parents John Arkle and Elspeth Bell in the 1850s. In the late 1870s John Arkle aand his wife Margaret emigrated to New Zealand with their children. Their daughter Mary Arkle was married to a Richard Arkle and they settled at Ramarama, South Auckland and the house they lived in is the Pioneer cottage now situated at Roulston Park,Pukekohe. These Arkles were descended from the Arkle family of Elsdon.. Let me konw if you connect with this family. yours John h> Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 09:59:54 +1300 > From: ciotach@paradise.net.nz > To: NORTHUMBRIA@rootsweb.com > Subject: [NMB] FAWCUS, BONE & ARKLE > > Hello, I'm a new lister. I'm searching for descendants of James FAWCUS and Isabel BONE or ARKLE, who were married in Newcastle in 1861. > They had 4 children according to the 1881 Census (the only one I have seen so far), all born in Newcastle: > Margaret b abt 1862, Francis b abt 1863, James b abt 1864 and Isabella b abt 1868. > Father James died before 1881. The family were living in Gateshead Durham in 1881. Mother Isabel died 1899 or 1900. > With the exception of Isabel, all the ARKLE family emigrated to New Zealand, where there are a great many descendants. > > Nancy > > > > > > > The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORTHUMBRIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Use Hotmail to send and receive mail from your different email accounts http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/186394592/direct/01/

Hi, A number of years ago I managed to find a Parish record of Falstone Baptisms but unfortunately did not record where I found it. Despite searching again I have not been able to relocate the records again. The obvious I would have thought would be "Simonburn" The records I have show Baptisms by the Rev. James Wood (Minister) Does anyone know where I should look and is it likely that they would appear in Bishops Transcripts bearing in mind that they were Presbyterians This shows how necessary it is to maintain records of where information is located. regards Brian Robson