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    1. Re: [NMB] Pubs and Restaurants
    2. The Orange Wasps
    3. Many years ago (c.25) there was a great curry house in Bigg Market run by a Mr Latif but I can't remember the name of the establishment. Ruth in Hambledon, Hampshire "The Cradle of Cricket"

    12/12/2009 12:17:07
    1. Re: [NMB] FAWCUS, BONE & ARKLE
    2. John Gallon
    3. > The Golden Tiger was at the bottom of the Bigg Market, in the Groat Market > I > believe, and yes, I had a pint in there ONE night. > That was enough. > Mike Temple, Spain. > Dear Mike, Wrong, the Golden Tiger was up an Alley off Pilgrim Street. The Alley was about two buildings up from Mosely Street. It was run by Viv. The pub you are talking about in the Groat Market was the "Blackie Boy" which was right next door to the Chalk n Cheese Snooker Hall. Also the Blackie Boy was the first pub in the Toon to have Disco with the special lights. The Golden Tiger soon had a Disco too. John Walker, Newcastle upon Tyne little.blobby2@btinternet.com http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~littleblobby/ http://www.freewebs.com/littleblobby/ No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.715 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2560 - Release Date: 12/12/09 07:38:00

    12/12/2009 12:13:04
    1. Re: [NMB] Newcastle pubs (was FAWCUS, BONE & ARKLE)
    2. Wright
    3. Thanks Geoff I'm going to have to look a that curve in the Crown Posada. That's fascinating. I have photos of my 18th birthday there but the curve is not in sight. George who used to play the harmonica is sitting next to me playing Happy Birthday though if you remember him. I had Sunday lunch with friends the other month in a very nice gastro style pub near the law courts and realised I was in the Baltic Tavern. This used to be a real Fagin's den of little rooms leading off each other along corridors if anyone remembers it. I remember my mother being convinced i was consorting with gangsters by entering the place and I promised I would never go again. the food was probably beter but I'm so pleased I experienced a pub like that while it still survived. The old Newcastle Arms was frequented by us because it had a pool table for the lads , Nancy Sinatra on the jukebox fro the lasses and those plate pies . When I was small I always used to think the Pineapple near the Monument looked impossibly glamorous as we walked to Marlborough Crescent for the bus. It looked from the outside like it had lots of booths and had windows all the way around which was as near as we got to a see a pub in the 60s and early 70s . We could sit on plank with a bag of crisps outside the Woodmans Arms in Whickham but not look inside. I was at a charity auction yesterday and one of the bids was a meal at the Northern Counties Private Club in Hood treet which i had never heard of. Apparently it is a private members club going back to 1826 and is beautiful inside with lots of history. ( Hpood street links Grey Street with Pilgrim Street Nancy) Newcastle's hidden buildings are brilliant. Debra --------------------------------------------------

    12/12/2009 11:38:05
    1. Re: [NMB] FAWCUS, BONE & ARKLE
    2. Michael Temple
    3. The Golden Tiger was at the bottom of the Bigg Market, in the Groat Market I believe, and yes, I had a pint in there ONE night. That was enough. Mike Temple, Spain. ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Gallon" <little.blobby2@btinternet.com> To: <northumbria@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2009 5:40 PM Subject: Re: [NMB] FAWCUS, BONE & ARKLE >>> The ceiling in the Monkey bar is also >>> worth a look although I can't remember what the real name of the Monkey >>> Bar >>> is these days. Debs: > > Did nobody drink in the "Golden Tiger" near the bottom of Pilgrim Street. > That was a bar:-))) > > > John > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.715 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2560 - Release Date: 12/12/09 > 07:38:00 > > > The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at > http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NORTHUMBRIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.427 / Virus Database: 270.14.104/2560 - Release Date: 12/12/09 07:38:00

    12/12/2009 11:09:58
    1. [NMB] Pilgrim St et al
    2. mikemail
    3. My first real job in life was in the Crown Buildings (HM Inspector of Taxes) bottom of Pilgrim Street, just before the Tyne Bridge. This was also demolished a little later I think. Lunchtime was taken in the Post Office Buliding, Neville St, now also demolished. The walk was down the steps and across Side. Mike in Saudi ----- Original Message ----- From: <NEGenealogy@aol.com> To: <northumbria@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2009 1:52 PM Subject: Re: [NMB] FAWCUS, BONE & ARKLE > > In a message dated 12/12/2009 05:49:39 GMT Standard Time, > microgott@hotmail.com writes: > > The ceiling in the Monkey bar is also > worth a look although I can't remember what the real name of the Monkey > Bar > is these days. > > > > > Debs: > > It may have changed in the last few months but until quite > recently it was what it always seems to have been - The Market Tavern. You may > know the story of how it came to be called the Monkey Bar but perhaps some > others subscribers do not and would be interested. I have been told that it > goes back to the days when the Grainger/Dobson buildings in Grey Street, > Market Street etc were being built (1840s). There were lots of builders' > labourers working around there, and many of them were hod carriers, who would > carry their precious hods with them when they went for a lunch-time drink. > They favoured the Market Tavern but the landlord insisted they leave their > hods outside, or in the lobby, while they were inside. Their slang term > for their hods was their "monkey", hence the name of the Monkey Bar, where > there were always lots of them around the doorway. This may or may not be > true, but it has a ring of authenticity about it and I like to think that > it is. > > Congratulations on the rest of your posting which will have done a lot > to reverse the unfortunate impression given by the previous one, which was > derogatory to Pilgrim Street. Until the early 1970s it was part of the > route of the A1 through Newcastle and although it has come down in the world > somewhat since then, it is poised to rise again in a few years time, if the > Corporation's plans are ever put into practice. Not only Alderman > Fenwick, but other influential Newcastle Merchants once lived in Pilgrim Street, > and the Royal Arcade, which was obliterated to make way for the Pilgrim > Street Roundabout in the late 1960s, was a glorious building. The block just a > little above the roundabout was built about then, as the new Newcastle > branch of the Bank of England, replacing the one hitherto in Grey Street. > Pilgrim Street was "Main Street, Newcastle" from mediaeval times (when it was > really created to be the first "Newcastle by-pass" to within the last 40 > years. > > Geoff Nicholson > > > > The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORTHUMBRIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.426 / Virus Database: 270.14.103/2558 - Release Date: 12/11/09 10:06:00

    12/12/2009 11:03:33
    1. Re: [NMB] FAWCUS, BONE & ARKLE
    2. Bob Dixon
    3. -----Original Message----- From: northumbria-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:northumbria-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Wright Sent: 12 December 2009 16:22 To: northumbria@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NMB] FAWCUS, BONE & ARKLE Hi Geoff, I have always wondered how the Monkey Bar got its name, thanks for the explanation In the back room of the Monkey Bar the ceiling had a beautiful glass dome in the centre of it. It has been covered up for years. Bob > It may have changed in the last few months but until quite > recently it was what it always seems to have been - The Market Tavern. > You may > know the story of how it came to be called the Monkey Bar but perhaps > some > others subscribers do not and would be interested. I have been told that > it > goes back to the days when the Grainger/Dobson buildings in Grey Street, > Market Street etc were being built (1840s). There were lots of builders' > labourers working around there, and many of them were hod carriers, who > would > carry their precious hods with them when they went for a lunch-time > drink. > They favoured the Market Tavern but the landlord insisted they leave > their > hods outside, or in the lobby, while they were inside. Their slang term > for their hods was their "monkey", hence the name of the Monkey Bar, > where > there were always lots of them around the doorway. This may or may not > be > true, but it has a ring of authenticity about it and I like to think that > it is. > > Geoff Nicholson > > > > The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at > http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NORTHUMBRIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORTHUMBRIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.716 / Virus Database: 270.14.104/2559 - Release Date: 12/11/09 19:37:00 -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. We are a community of 6 million users fighting spam. SPAMfighter has removed 977 of my spam emails to date. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len The Professional version does not have this message

    12/12/2009 10:52:33
    1. Re: [NMB] FAWCUS, BONE & ARKLE
    2. John Gallon
    3. >> The ceiling in the Monkey bar is also >> worth a look although I can't remember what the real name of the Monkey >> Bar >> is these days. Debs: Did nobody drink in the "Golden Tiger" near the bottom of Pilgrim Street. That was a bar:-))) John No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.715 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2560 - Release Date: 12/12/09 07:38:00

    12/12/2009 09:40:09
    1. Re: [NMB] FAWCUS, BONE & ARKLE
    2. Wright
    3. Thanks Geoff It's 20 years since I actually drank there so Iwas expecting it to have a far trendier name by now . and I never knew how it got its name. thanks for that. My husband proposed to me in the Crown Posada where I have also never been for years so I think a shandy crawl to our old haunts may be coming up at Christmas.....Bet the Newcastle Arms under the Bridge which does have a new name doesn't do plate mince pies any more. Debra -------------------------------------------------- From: <NEGenealogy@aol.com> Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2009 9:52 AM To: <northumbria@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [NMB] FAWCUS, BONE & ARKLE > > In a message dated 12/12/2009 05:49:39 GMT Standard Time, > microgott@hotmail.com writes: > > The ceiling in the Monkey bar is also > worth a look although I can't remember what the real name of the Monkey > Bar > is these days. > > > > > Debs: > > It may have changed in the last few months but until quite > recently it was what it always seems to have been - The Market Tavern. > You may > know the story of how it came to be called the Monkey Bar but perhaps > some > others subscribers do not and would be interested. I have been told that > it > goes back to the days when the Grainger/Dobson buildings in Grey Street, > Market Street etc were being built (1840s). There were lots of builders' > labourers working around there, and many of them were hod carriers, who > would > carry their precious hods with them when they went for a lunch-time > drink. > They favoured the Market Tavern but the landlord insisted they leave > their > hods outside, or in the lobby, while they were inside. Their slang term > for their hods was their "monkey", hence the name of the Monkey Bar, > where > there were always lots of them around the doorway. This may or may not > be > true, but it has a ring of authenticity about it and I like to think that > it is. > > Congratulations on the rest of your posting which will have done a lot > to reverse the unfortunate impression given by the previous one, which > was > derogatory to Pilgrim Street. Until the early 1970s it was part of the > route of the A1 through Newcastle and although it has come down in the > world > somewhat since then, it is poised to rise again in a few years time, if > the > Corporation's plans are ever put into practice. Not only Alderman > Fenwick, but other influential Newcastle Merchants once lived in Pilgrim > Street, > and the Royal Arcade, which was obliterated to make way for the Pilgrim > Street Roundabout in the late 1960s, was a glorious building. The block > just a > little above the roundabout was built about then, as the new Newcastle > branch of the Bank of England, replacing the one hitherto in Grey Street. > Pilgrim Street was "Main Street, Newcastle" from mediaeval times (when it > was > really created to be the first "Newcastle by-pass" to within the last 40 > years. > > Geoff Nicholson > > > > The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at > http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NORTHUMBRIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

    12/12/2009 09:22:21
    1. Re: [NMB] Newcastle pubs (was FAWCUS, BONE & ARKLE)
    2. In a message dated 12/12/2009 16:23:03 GMT Standard Time, microgott@hotmail.com writes: My husband proposed to me in the Crown Posada where I have also never been for years so I think a shandy crawl to our old haunts may be coming up at Christmas.....Bet the Newcastle Arms under the Bridge which does have a new name doesn't do plate mince pies any more. The Crown Posada is another of the old standards of Newcastle pubs. I'm glad to say it still survives - it still has that little "snug" just as you go in, and its stained glass windows featured in a book on the subject a couple of years or so ago. A place like that deserves to have something stronger than shandy consumed in it, however! It usually has a range of real- and non-local ales available, which adds to its interest. I'm always fascinated by the subtle curve of its long, thin, room. It's obviously built on a single burgage tenement, but why the curve? It may be because of the shape of the hillside behind it, leading up to the Castle, but it looks rather like the shape of a piece of rig-and-furrow in an old open field. If the latter, then its shape pre-dates any buildings ever being there and takes us back to the days before the arrival of the Normans, when The Side may have been a country lane, winding among the open fields of ..... where? Monkchester? Bede's Ad Murum? a village of unknown name surviving very nearby in the remains of Pons Aelius? I always find myself pondering this whenever I'm carrying a pint or few up the curved room from the bar, wondering whether I'm following in the footsteps of some Anglian ploughman, or just those of centuries of Newcastle drinkers. It's been years since I was in the (former) Newcastle Arms but I've been told that it's nothing like it was in our day! What's new? Geoff Nicholson

    12/12/2009 05:25:31
    1. Re: [NMB] FAWCUS, BONE & ARKLE
    2. Ingrid Clausen
    3. Nancy Along with the census data I provided to you earlier I also provided this entry from FreeBMD for James' death - right age, location and explains why his wife is a widow in 1871, which the Dec Q 1871 death would not: From FreeBMD: Deaths Mar 1867 Fawcus James 29 Newcastle T. 10b page 87 Ingrid On 12/12/2009, at 11:33 AM, Nancy Gibb wrote: >> Eleanor wrote: A few days ago I discovered an 1877 book online by >> the title of "The >> Letters of the Late James Fawcus MD". > > What a wonderful resource. But alas this James is not "my" James, > who I've now established was almost certainly the son of Francis b. > abt 1808 in Newham near Eglingham and his wife Margaret Hay b abt > 1811, Todlaw Moor NBL. Their only son James was born about 1837 in > Heworth, Co. Durham according to various censuses, married in 1861 > in Newcastle and was a guard on the NE railway in 1861. > > A distant cousin says she thinks James died in a railway accident. > The 1871 Census shows Isabella his wife as Head of household and a > general dealer in Pilgrim St Newcastle, which I understand is still > one of the main shopping streets. My cousin theorises the railways > may have given her some assistance. A James Fawcus died in Tynemouth > in Dec 1871. I really will have to get his death certificate, it > seems!

    12/12/2009 04:44:10
    1. Re: [NMB] FAWCUS, BONE & ARKLE
    2. Nancy Gibb
    3. > Eleanor wrote: A few days ago I discovered an 1877 book online by the title of "The > Letters of the Late James Fawcus MD". What a wonderful resource. But alas this James is not "my" James, who I've now established was almost certainly the son of Francis b. abt 1808 in Newham near Eglingham and his wife Margaret Hay b abt 1811, Todlaw Moor NBL. Their only son James was born about 1837 in Heworth, Co. Durham according to various censuses, married in 1861 in Newcastle and was a guard on the NE railway in 1861. A distant cousin says she thinks James died in a railway accident. The 1871 Census shows Isabella his wife as Head of household and a general dealer in Pilgrim St Newcastle, which I understand is still one of the main shopping streets. My cousin theorises the railways may have given her some assistance. A James Fawcus died in Tynemouth in Dec 1871. I really will have to get his death certificate, it seems! Nancy in NZ

    12/12/2009 04:33:19
    1. Re: [NMB] FAWCUS, BONE & ARKLE
    2. Wright
    3. Nancy Pilgrim Street has the wonderful Alderman Fenwick'shouse which is well worth a visit on Heritage Open Days . Also the Firestation is there where many people will remember going as a child to see the large Christmas Nativity which I believe is still on and outside of which was the place to meet your date in the 70s and 80s. Swan House roundabout used to be grim but now has huge signage for Metro radio, 55 degrees North and the Newcastle Spa Retreat loudly broadcasting Pilgrim Street as the entrance to a modern city that even subreferences a TV programme. Even the Old Odeon is a treasure house inside . Carliol House at the top is as art deco as you could find although I'd like to know more of this era in the town. Across the road The newly refurbished Tyneside Cinema is our art house cinema of national reputation with a tea room that is far less busy than the cafes a hundred yards up the road on Northumberland Street. The ceiling in the Monkey bar is also worth a look although I can't remember what the real name of the Monkey Bar is these days. Debs -------------------------------------------------- > > Pilgrim Street, especially the southern part, today is a blott on > Newcastle's landscape.

    12/11/2009 10:46:58
    1. Re: [NMB] FAWCUS, BONE & ARKLE
    2. In a message dated 12/12/2009 05:49:39 GMT Standard Time, microgott@hotmail.com writes: The ceiling in the Monkey bar is also worth a look although I can't remember what the real name of the Monkey Bar is these days. Debs: It may have changed in the last few months but until quite recently it was what it always seems to have been - The Market Tavern. You may know the story of how it came to be called the Monkey Bar but perhaps some others subscribers do not and would be interested. I have been told that it goes back to the days when the Grainger/Dobson buildings in Grey Street, Market Street etc were being built (1840s). There were lots of builders' labourers working around there, and many of them were hod carriers, who would carry their precious hods with them when they went for a lunch-time drink. They favoured the Market Tavern but the landlord insisted they leave their hods outside, or in the lobby, while they were inside. Their slang term for their hods was their "monkey", hence the name of the Monkey Bar, where there were always lots of them around the doorway. This may or may not be true, but it has a ring of authenticity about it and I like to think that it is. Congratulations on the rest of your posting which will have done a lot to reverse the unfortunate impression given by the previous one, which was derogatory to Pilgrim Street. Until the early 1970s it was part of the route of the A1 through Newcastle and although it has come down in the world somewhat since then, it is poised to rise again in a few years time, if the Corporation's plans are ever put into practice. Not only Alderman Fenwick, but other influential Newcastle Merchants once lived in Pilgrim Street, and the Royal Arcade, which was obliterated to make way for the Pilgrim Street Roundabout in the late 1960s, was a glorious building. The block just a little above the roundabout was built about then, as the new Newcastle branch of the Bank of England, replacing the one hitherto in Grey Street. Pilgrim Street was "Main Street, Newcastle" from mediaeval times (when it was really created to be the first "Newcastle by-pass" to within the last 40 years. Geoff Nicholson

    12/11/2009 09:52:03
    1. Re: [NMB] FAWCUS, BONE & ARKLE
    2. Nancy, Pilgrim Street, especially the southern part, today is a blott on Newcastle's landscape. Pilgrim St continues northwards as Northumberland Street, which is a very busy and reasonably good looking shopping street (in my view) Michael

    12/11/2009 10:56:55
    1. Re: [NMB] HERBERT STREET, NEWCASTLE
    2. Cecilia Bell
    3. Jim, Have you tried searching under the surname MC GOUGH (with the space) and include variants. There are quite a number of James McGoughs to found in this way, with a wide variety of places and ages. Don't be prescriptive about the county, place or age, and see what it brings up. Regards, Cecilia Bell in Essex UK ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim McGough" <jim@graphicexample.co.uk> To: <northumbria@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 11:58 AM Subject: [NMB] HERBERT STREET, NEWCASTLE Hello, I have just started out on the long and winding road to trace my family ancestry on my paternal side and would be grateful for any help with the following: 1. My great-grandfather (James McGough) and great-grandmother (Catherine) - both born in Ireland - lived, according to the 1901 Census, in 57 Herbert Street (just off the Scotswood Road), Newcastle. My grandfather (also James), who was then 18 and an apprentice engine fitter also lived at this address with his 4 sisters, Ellen, Cath, Mary and Agnes. Does anybody have any information about this area? - Names of firms, shops, pubs, schools and churches (my family is Roman Catholic). I am particularly interested in seeing any photographs of the area around the late 19th/early 20th century. Also where do I start looking for records about where my grandfather and great-grandfather worked and which Roman Catholic church and school would my grandfather and his sisters have attended? I have recently obtained an Ordnance Survey map (1895-1914) of the Elswick area which I have found very interesting and informative. When were the houses in Herbert Street built and when were they demolished? 2. I have tried, unsuccessfully, to find my grandfather, James and my grandmother, Sophia (nee Gough) along with my father, James (born 1906) and my aunts Catherine, Sophia Lillian and uncle, Francis, on the 1911 Census. I know they lived on Tyneside at the time... any suggestions? Thanks for any help you may give. Jim McGough The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORTHUMBRIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.709 / Virus Database: 270.14.102/2556 - Release Date: 12/10/09 07:36:00

    12/11/2009 05:39:26
    1. [NMB] STRAY-Thomas BAKER-Woodhorn
    2. hunkadoon
    3. Interesting submission to the Dyfedd (Wales) list. I wonder how Tom Baker got to Wales from NORTHUMBERLAND in the 1700's? Tsardis time travel perhaps? Reuben (in Wales) My earliest record as yet is the marriage of William Coldstream to Martha LEWIS, 15 October 1751 in Dale, Pembrokeshire, Wales. There is a house by the name of Coldstream Lodge still standing in the village. Children include: Elinor, b:28 February 1753, m.Thomas BAKER, (b:Woodhorn, NORTHUMBERLAND); m:8 February 1794 in Dale. Martha, b:June 1754. Charles, b:18 May 1756, d.1834; m.Frances SUMMERS of Haverford West, d.1834. Isabella, b:31 May 1758; d:10 May 1810, Bristol; m.Francis HARRIS (b:21 March 1758 in Bristol) m.19 May 1783 in Dale and moved to Bristol, GLO. My ancestors. Margaret, b:March 1760. William, b:30 March 1762. John, b:14 July 1764. Andrew, b: date unknown; d:10 October 1768. Andrew's information was not on the Church records but from a gravestone in the Church yard.

    12/11/2009 05:00:48
    1. [NMB] HERBERT STREET, NEWCASTLE
    2. Jim McGough
    3. Hello, I have just started out on the long and winding road to trace my family ancestry on my paternal side and would be grateful for any help with the following: 1. My great-grandfather (James McGough) and great-grandmother (Catherine) - both born in Ireland - lived, according to the 1901 Census, in 57 Herbert Street (just off the Scotswood Road), Newcastle. My grandfather (also James), who was then 18 and an apprentice engine fitter also lived at this address with his 4 sisters, Ellen, Cath, Mary and Agnes. Does anybody have any information about this area? - Names of firms, shops, pubs, schools and churches (my family is Roman Catholic). I am particularly interested in seeing any photographs of the area around the late 19th/early 20th century. Also where do I start looking for records about where my grandfather and great-grandfather worked and which Roman Catholic church and school would my grandfather and his sisters have attended? I have recently obtained an Ordnance Survey map (1895-1914) of the Elswick area which I have found very interesting and informative. When were the houses in Herbert Street built and when were they demolished? 2. I have tried, unsuccessfully, to find my grandfather, James and my grandmother, Sophia (nee Gough) along with my father, James (born 1906) and my aunts Catherine, Sophia Lillian and uncle, Francis, on the 1911 Census. I know they lived on Tyneside at the time... any suggestions? Thanks for any help you may give. Jim McGough

    12/11/2009 04:58:33
    1. Re: [NMB] HERBERT STREET, NEWCASTLE?Gough
    2. Hi Jim, Here is your family: 1911 census transcription details for: 32 Wolseley Road Byker Newcastle Tyne National Archive Reference: RG14PN30681 RG78PN1756 RD558 SD6 ED25 SN122 Reg. District: Newcastle upon Tyne Sub District: Byker Parish: Byker Enum. District: 25 Address: 32 Wolseley Road Byker Newcastle Tyne County: Northumberland Name Relation Condition/ Yrs married Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born GOUGH, James Head Married M 28 1883 Turner Marine Eng Newcastle on Tyne Northumberland GOUGH, Sophia Wife Married 7 years F 25 1886 Newcastle on Tyne Northumberland GOUGH, Sophia Daughter F 5 1906 Newcastle on Tyne Northumberland GOUGH, James Son M 4 1907 Newcastle on Tyne Northumberland GOUGH, Kate Daughter F 3 1908 Newcastle on Tyne Northumberland GOUGH, William Son M 1 (18 MONTHS) 1910 Newcastle on Tyne Northumberland GOUGH, Frank Son M 0 (2 MONTHS) 1911 Newcastle on Tyne Northumberland © findmypast.com Hazel "Life is a roller-coaster...........just got to ride it!"

    12/11/2009 01:36:35
    1. Re: [NMB] Robert Place Gateshead 1912 Found!
    2. Anne and Alan Middlemass
    3. One street missing from the various census but shown on the Godfrey maps is Riversdale Road. This is Robert Place and is confirmed in at least 1891 census by a large end terrace property listed as Robert Place/Sarah Street. As a kid at my grandparents in that area in early 50s the street was simply "the Banks" to youngsters playing around there but it had not seen a cobble or tarmac before the area was demolished around 1963/4. In parts you had a drop of several feet to the street from the pavement and from Askew Road to the railway bridge there was a deepening gouge making two banks up to the pavement on one side and the railway yards on the other. There is a Robert Street above St Cuthbert's Road nearby which, I imagine, might explain why only one version seems to have reached the maps but not why it persisted in the census. Alan Middlemass Bearpark, Durham, UK robin@scottishwool.com wrote: > Found the answer to my question > Robert Place appears to be in the area of Sarah Street and Dorothy Street. > > Address search on the 1911 Census comes up with it listed and going to the > ED description pin points the location. RG14PN30419 RG78PN1748A RD557 SD2 > ED9 SN1 > > This ED is the group of streets between Redheugh Bridge Road, Askew Road and > 'the road from Askew Road to the Tyne'. The 1894 OS maps shows all the > streets listed but not Robert Place. > > Robert Place may be a group of houses shown on what is named in1894 as > Riverside Road. > > > Looks like this home was a step up from most they had been in. > > > Robin > > > > > > The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORTHUMBRIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

    12/10/2009 03:17:58
    1. Re: [NMB] Robert Place Gateshead 1912 Found!
    2. Found the answer to my question Robert Place appears to be in the area of Sarah Street and Dorothy Street. Address search on the 1911 Census comes up with it listed and going to the ED description pin points the location. RG14PN30419 RG78PN1748A RD557 SD2 ED9 SN1 This ED is the group of streets between Redheugh Bridge Road, Askew Road and 'the road from Askew Road to the Tyne'. The 1894 OS maps shows all the streets listed but not Robert Place. Robert Place may be a group of houses shown on what is named in1894 as Riverside Road. Looks like this home was a step up from most they had been in. Robin

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