Dixymick@aol.com wrote: > Durham County Council web site has a GIS mapping feature ( sorry unable to > get link to work) which allows map search by postcode. Then when centred > on modern day spot you can chose historical map versions back to 1850s. > The pits nearby are to west and south. Quarry to east. Have a go yourself at > navigating around the area. Try http://tinyurl.com/durhamgis Brian -- Brian Pears (Gateshead, UK) http://www.bpears.org.uk/ Joint List Admin NORTHUMBRIA Genealogy Mailing List GENUKI Northumberland Maintainer

Michael, I have the following from the TNA street/place indexes, I have not seen the images myself: 1851 - HO 107/2411 folio 46 (Hanging Side Cottages) 1861 - RG 9/3845 folio 72 (Hanging Side) 1871 - RG 10/5125 folio 85 (Hanging Side) And this from the LDS transcript: 1881 - RG 11/5086 folio 55, page 31 (Hanning Side) Dave -----Original Message----- From: northumbria-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:northumbria-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Dixymick@aol.com Sent: 14 December 2009 22:08 To: northumbria@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NMB] Place Name Hanning(or Hanging) Side, Longbenton Dave, How about providing the census details ( i.e. year and piece/folio/page ref) so we can all have a gleek ! Michael The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORTHUMBRIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dear List, Can anyone please advise me on the likely location of the local parish records of St Mary's Church, Lesbury? I am interested to find out who erected a headstone that still stands in the churchyard. It is 'In Memoriam' to a number of members of a local family and I am fairly sure was erected in the period 1882-1886. Would there be details of this in the local parish council minutes, and if so, where would these records be located? I am guessing probably at Woodhorn? Thanks Wendy (Sydney)

Dave, Hanging/Hanning Side was close ( from 1881 census listings) to the Rising Sun Farm. It's postcode is NE2 89JL ( Co-ordinates NZ3068 or NZ302686) Durham County Council web site has a GIS mapping feature ( sorry unable to get link to work) which allows map search by postcode. Then when centred on modern day spot you can chose historical map versions back to 1850s. The pits nearby are to west and south. Quarry to east. Have a go yourself at navigating around the area. Michael

Hello, I'm hoping someone on the group can help me locate the above name. >From census schedules it clearly lies in the eastern area of the parish, somewhere in the area of Craster Pit or Rising Sun Farm, but I have not been able to locate it on any of the old maps which I have access to. Many thanks, Dave King

Hi Debra, I have wanted to look inside the Northern Counties club for years. Seemingly all the County Set used the place. People walk past without realizing it is there. Bob -----Original Message----- From: northumbria-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:northumbria-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Wright Sent: 12 December 2009 18:38 To: northumbria@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NMB] Newcastle pubs (was FAWCUS, BONE & ARKLE) Thanks Geoff I'm going to have to look a that curve in the Crown Posada. That's fascinating. I have photos of my 18th birthday there but the curve is not in sight. George who used to play the harmonica is sitting next to me playing Happy Birthday though if you remember him. I had Sunday lunch with friends the other month in a very nice gastro style pub near the law courts and realised I was in the Baltic Tavern. This used to be a real Fagin's den of little rooms leading off each other along corridors if anyone remembers it. I remember my mother being convinced i was consorting with gangsters by entering the place and I promised I would never go again. the food was probably beter but I'm so pleased I experienced a pub like that while it still survived. The old Newcastle Arms was frequented by us because it had a pool table for the lads , Nancy Sinatra on the jukebox fro the lasses and those plate pies . When I was small I always used to think the Pineapple near the Monument looked impossibly glamorous as we walked to Marlborough Crescent for the bus. It looked from the outside like it had lots of booths and had windows all the way around which was as near as we got to a see a pub in the 60s and early 70s . We could sit on plank with a bag of crisps outside the Woodmans Arms in Whickham but not look inside. I was at a charity auction yesterday and one of the bids was a meal at the Northern Counties Private Club in Hood treet which i had never heard of. Apparently it is a private members club going back to 1826 and is beautiful inside with lots of history. ( Hpood street links Grey Street with Pilgrim Street Nancy) Newcastle's hidden buildings are brilliant. Debra -------------------------------------------------- The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORTHUMBRIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.716 / Virus Database: 270.14.107/2564 - Release Date: 12/14/09 07:37:00 -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. We are a community of 6 million users fighting spam. SPAMfighter has removed 979 of my spam emails to date. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len The Professional version does not have this message

Dave, How about providing the census details ( i.e. year and piece/folio/page ref) so we can all have a gleek ! Michael

Wendy Jessup wrote: > Can anyone please advise me on the likely location of the local parish > records of St Mary's Church, Lesbury? I am interested to find out who > erected a headstone that still stands in the churchyard. It is 'In > Memoriam' to a number of members of a local family and I am fairly > sure was erected in the period 1882-1886. Would there be details of > this in the local parish council minutes, and if so, where would these > records be located? I am guessing probably at Woodhorn? Wendy Surviving records of St Mary's will be at Woodhorn as you surmise, but won't provide the information you seek. There were no Parish Councils as early as 1886 (the earliest were 1897) and they are local government bodies which have nothing whatsoever to do with the church premises or churchyard. I think you mean Parochial Church Council - but these only date from 1919. They were the successors of the Vestry - a group consisting of either any parishioner who wished to attend or, in areas with a "Closed" or "Select" Vestry, the group consisted of a self- perpetuating body called the "Four and Twenty". Anyway, be that as it may, none of this will help you because, as far as I'm aware, no official body will have a record of who erected the headstone. If the stone was erected by an established company then presumably they would have a record of the transaction, but the chances of such records surviving are small and the chances of locating and accessing it, even smaller. Brian -- Brian Pears (Gateshead, UK) http://www.bpears.org.uk/ Joint List Admin NORTHUMBRIA Genealogy Mailing List GENUKI Northumberland Maintainer

What a wonderful List this is! It's great that you can discuss things like the Monkey Bar which are not strictly speaking Genealogy but most definitely Family History (capitals intended). I've been on some Lists when such veering off topic is strictly discouraged, but others (eg Lanark) where the most marvellous discussions take place. Its been fascinating reading about the old buildings and goings-on in Pilgrim Street. I sometimes wish I could hop into a Tardis and backtrack to my big OE (Overseas Experience, a rite of passage for young Aussies and Kiwis) when I was young and silly and didn't know anything about my family history; and spend my time more wisely. At least I did investigate some London pubs! Nancy in NZ

Nancy Gibb wrote: > What a wonderful List this is! It's great that you can discuss things like the > Monkey Bar which are not strictly speaking Genealogy but most definitely Nancy We cover local history as well as genealogy. Where and how our ancestors and relatives lived should be an important part of anyone's research. As long as we stick to the list area and don't mentions living people, local history is fine. Brian -- Brian Pears (Gateshead, UK) http://www.bpears.org.uk/ Joint List Admin NORTHUMBRIA Genealogy Mailing List GENUKI Northumberland Maintainer

> Yes - Viv moved to The Imperial down The Bigg Market, not the Crown > Posada, > my memory fails me. There were good nights in the Tiger in Pilgrim > Street, > early 60s. > Mike in Saudi I know that Viv moved to Gateshead to manage two Pubs after the Imp. John Walker, Newcastle upon Tyne little.blobby2@btinternet.com http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~littleblobby/ http://www.freewebs.com/littleblobby/ No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.715 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2562 - Release Date: 12/13/09 07:39:00

It's still there, and much less "modernised" than most. I go in > occasionally, but my main reason for not doing so more often is that the > beer they sell is not one of my favourites. The last time I was there > was > with a friend on a hot afternoon (yes, there were some) last summer, when > we > sat in the alley outside ("The Old George Yard") and tried hard to keep > the > flies out of our pints. Next time I'm in, I'll look out for you > extending > your experience! > Geoff I will take you up on the kind offer. Sadly the lot of old bars are gone or changed names. John Walker, Newcastle upon Tyne little.blobby2@btinternet.com http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~littleblobby/ http://www.freewebs.com/littleblobby/ No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.715 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2562 - Release Date: 12/13/09 07:39:00

> John, just a quickie - was the "Portland" you referred to the Portland > Arms, > off Elswick Road? > Alan Y Sorry no, the "Portland Arms" I refer to was the one on New Bridge Street, next door to Old BBC Station and opposite The Oxford. John Walker, Newcastle upon Tyne little.blobby2@btinternet.com http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~littleblobby/ http://www.freewebs.com/littleblobby/ No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.715 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2562 - Release Date: 12/13/09 07:39:00

John, just a quickie - was the "Portland" you referred to the Portland Arms, off Elswick Road? Alan Y ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Gallon" <little.blobby2@btinternet.com> To: <northumbria@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, December 13, 2009 12:11 AM Subject: Re: [NMB] FAWCUS, BONE & ARKLE > > > > > >> I do remember Viv the barman, so it as "The Golden Tiger" I was >> in, >> but then that was circa 1960, a long time ago, and I still think it was >> down >> the Groat Market on the right-hand side, but -- maybe I'm mistaken on the >> location ? >> I preferred "The Old George" or "Will Curly's" (one of the old-time >> boxers), >> that was man's bar, sadly now gone. >> Mike Temple, Spain. > > > No Viv was the Manager of the Golden Lion, Richard & Big John were his > barmen!!!!!! Viv also had something to do with the "Imp" (Imperial, Bigg > Market) not far from the Old George. Never went in the Old George, my > regulars were, Golden Tiger, Blackie Boy & the Brass Man (Collingwood > Street), and on match days, Blacket Arms and/or the "Portland". Oh Happy > days. > > John > Walker, Newcastle upon Tyne > little.blobby2@btinternet.com > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~littleblobby/ > http://www.freewebs.com/littleblobby/ > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.715 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2561 - Release Date: 12/12/09 > 19:39:00 > > > The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at > http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NORTHUMBRIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Ingrid, I apologise. You are quite right. Just before your posting appeared another person not on this list sent me the 1871 Census entry but omitted the word 'widow' and I thought perhaps Francis was away from home on Census night. I was also misled by a private member's entry on Ancestry.com which gave the death of a Francis b 1808, with wife Margaret, as being on 1 Sept 1876. I belatedly realised that this did not agree with the correct Census entry you sent, which gave Margaret as a widow. Thank you also for giving the full reference details of each Census entry, it is much appreciated. Nancy > From FreeBMD: > Deaths Mar 1867 Fawcus James 29 Newcastle T. 10b page 87

Yes - Viv moved to The Imperial down The Bigg Market, not the Crown Posada, my memory fails me. There were good nights in the Tiger in Pilgrim Street, early 60s. Mike in Saudi ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Gallon" <little.blobby2@btinternet.com> To: <northumbria@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, December 13, 2009 4:11 AM Subject: Re: [NMB] FAWCUS, BONE & ARKLE > > > > >> I do remember Viv the barman, so it as "The Golden Tiger" I was >> in, >> but then that was circa 1960, a long time ago, and I still think it was >> down >> the Groat Market on the right-hand side, but -- maybe I'm mistaken on the >> location ? >> I preferred "The Old George" or "Will Curly's" (one of the old-time >> boxers), >> that was man's bar, sadly now gone. >> Mike Temple, Spain. > > > No Viv was the Manager of the Golden Lion, Richard & Big John were his > barmen!!!!!! Viv also had something to do with the "Imp" (Imperial, Bigg > Market) not far from the Old George. Never went in the Old George, my > regulars were, Golden Tiger, Blackie Boy & the Brass Man (Collingwood > Street), and on match days, Blacket Arms and/or the "Portland". Oh Happy > days. > > John > Walker, Newcastle upon Tyne > little.blobby2@btinternet.com > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~littleblobby/ > http://www.freewebs.com/littleblobby/ > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.715 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2561 - Release Date: 12/12/09 > 19:39:00 > > > The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at > http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NORTHUMBRIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.426 / Virus Database: 270.14.104/2560 - Release Date: 12/12/09 07:38:00

In a message dated 13/12/2009 00:12:08 GMT Standard Time, little.blobby2@btinternet.com writes: Never went in the Old George John: It's still there, and much less "modernised" than most. I go in occasionally, but my main reason for not doing so more often is that the beer they sell is not one of my favourites. The last time I was there was with a friend on a hot afternoon (yes, there were some) last summer, when we sat in the alley outside ("The Old George Yard") and tried hard to keep the flies out of our pints. Next time I'm in, I'll look out for you extending your experience! Geoff

> I do remember Viv the barman, so it as "The Golden Tiger" I was in, > but then that was circa 1960, a long time ago, and I still think it was > down > the Groat Market on the right-hand side, but -- maybe I'm mistaken on the > location ? > I preferred "The Old George" or "Will Curly's" (one of the old-time > boxers), > that was man's bar, sadly now gone. > Mike Temple, Spain. No Viv was the Manager of the Golden Lion, Richard & Big John were his barmen!!!!!! Viv also had something to do with the "Imp" (Imperial, Bigg Market) not far from the Old George. Never went in the Old George, my regulars were, Golden Tiger, Blackie Boy & the Brass Man (Collingwood Street), and on match days, Blacket Arms and/or the "Portland". Oh Happy days. John Walker, Newcastle upon Tyne little.blobby2@btinternet.com http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~littleblobby/ http://www.freewebs.com/littleblobby/ No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.715 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2561 - Release Date: 12/12/09 19:39:00

Yes Indeed I did - and I remember Viv (aka George) very well..it certainly was a bar! Didnt he move to the Crown Posada ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Gallon" <little.blobby2@btinternet.com> To: <northumbria@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2009 8:40 PM Subject: Re: [NMB] FAWCUS, BONE & ARKLE >>> The ceiling in the Monkey bar is also >>> worth a look although I can't remember what the real name of the Monkey >>> Bar >>> is these days. Debs: > I did > Did nobody drink in the "Golden Tiger" near the bottom of Pilgrim Street. > That was a bar:-))) > > > John > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.715 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2560 - Release Date: 12/12/09 07:38:00 > > > The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORTHUMBRIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.426 / Virus Database: 270.14.104/2560 - Release Date: 12/12/09 07:38:00

John, I do remember Viv the barman, so it as "The Golden Tiger" I was in, but then that was circa 1960, a long time ago, and I still think it was down the Groat Market on the right-hand side, but -- maybe I'm mistaken on the location ? I preferred "The Old George" or "Will Curly's" (one of the old-time boxers), that was man's bar, sadly now gone. Mike Temple, Spain. ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Gallon" <little.blobby2@btinternet.com> To: <northumbria@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2009 8:13 PM Subject: Re: [NMB] FAWCUS, BONE & ARKLE >> The Golden Tiger was at the bottom of the Bigg Market, in the Groat >> Market >> I >> believe, and yes, I had a pint in there ONE night. >> That was enough. >> Mike Temple, Spain. >> > > Dear Mike, > > Wrong, the Golden Tiger was up an Alley off Pilgrim Street. The Alley was > about two buildings up from Mosely Street. It was run by Viv. The pub you > are talking about in the Groat Market was the "Blackie Boy" which was > right > next door to the Chalk n Cheese Snooker Hall. Also the Blackie Boy was the > first pub in the Toon to have Disco with the special lights. The Golden > Tiger soon had a Disco too. > > > John > Walker, Newcastle upon Tyne > little.blobby2@btinternet.com > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~littleblobby/ > http://www.freewebs.com/littleblobby/ > > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.715 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2560 - Release Date: 12/12/09 > 07:38:00 > > > The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at > http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NORTHUMBRIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.427 / Virus Database: 270.14.104/2560 - Release Date: 12/12/09 07:38:00