I am doing a little transcribing of the census and have come across "on the street" as a "Rank, Profession, or Occupation" and wonder what it means? The entry applies to 2 girls aged 19 & 22 Robert KEMSLEY Australia

Dear List, Here is a rather frivolous addition to the thread on pubs: I was back in the UK for a visit a few weeks ago and while in Newcastle took a look at the Blackett Arms in Nelson Street. Some of my forebears had it from 1839 to the early 1850s. It is a busy market pub and at 11am on a Monday it was already packed wall-to-wall. I could easily see the original 'bones" of the place downstairs but upstairs the windows had been painted black and there was a stage that must have seen quite a few rock bands. The place is known as a live music venue. The floor above that is now empty. The landlady and her bar staff were delightful and indulged me in a little family history trip back in time to the 19th century. (When I arrived and explained about my ancestors running the place when the pub was new, one of the regulars, sitting on a bar stool, pointed back over his shoulder at the crowd, and suggested they were probably still in there...) She showed me upstairs and mentioned that there was indeed a pub ghost and that a clairvoyant, who had been brought in, sensed that it was a man. There was a cat as well, she said. It was oh-so satisfying to be able to tell her that my great-great-great grandfather had died there in December 1848 of "paralysis, five months" according to the death cert - a stroke, maybe? ...or perhaps he just fell over the cat. Pamela

Hi I've found it. 1861 RG9/3829 Folio 69 Page 21 Schedule 118 Wall Knoll, Newcastle upon Tyne Ann Isable Dobing Head Unm 19 on the street Sunderland Alice Jeffereson Boarder Unm 22 " Durham, Jarrow Well it couldn't be clearer; they were prostitutes. It was a very common occupation, though practitioners were rarely so open about it. Apparently the usual euphemism was "dressmaker" Brian

KEMSLEY, Robert N. G. wrote: > It's from the 1861 Census which I am currently transcribing for your > area (Northumberland) and it records 2 girls living at the same address: > Head unmarried 22 > Boarder unmarried 19 > As Rank, Profession, or Occupation: they are recorded as "on the street" > > I've not included further info, just in case, but can supply off line? Robert "Just in case" what??? This really is utterly absurd. If you want a sensible discussion of this query then post a full reference to the list. Otherwise this thread is closed. Brian -- Brian Pears (Gateshead, UK) http://www.bpears.org.uk/ Joint List Admin NORTHUMBRIA Genealogy Mailing List GENUKI Northumberland Maintainer

gen listlass wrote: > Could it mean homeless? Val If they were homeless, how could they have been enumerated? I think we really need to see the entries in context before we can make much progress here. Brian -- Brian Pears (Gateshead, UK) http://www.bpears.org.uk/ Joint List Admin NORTHUMBRIA Genealogy Mailing List GENUKI Northumberland Maintainer

KEMSLEY, Robert N. G. wrote: > I am doing a little transcribing of the census and have come across "on > the street" as a "Rank, Profession, or Occupation" and wonder what it means? > > The entry applies to 2 girls aged 19 & 22 Robert As ever, context is all. Without viewing the entry to see the location and nature of the household, I wouldn't give an opinion. Can we have the full reference please? Brian -- Brian Pears (Gateshead, UK) http://www.bpears.org.uk/ Joint List Admin NORTHUMBRIA Genealogy Mailing List GENUKI Northumberland Maintainer

Could it mean homeless? Gen in NBL > From: robtricia@optusnet.com.au > To: northumbria@rootsweb.com > Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2009 10:29:39 +1100 > Subject: [NMB] "On the street"? > > I am doing a little transcribing of the census and have come across "on > the street" as a "Rank, Profession, or Occupation" and wonder what it means? > > The entry applies to 2 girls aged 19 & 22 > > Robert KEMSLEY > Australia > > > > > The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORTHUMBRIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Add your Gmail and Yahoo! Mail email accounts into Hotmail - it's easy http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/186394592/direct/01/

Hi Robert Prostitution by the sound of it Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > I am doing a little transcribing of the census and have come across "on > the street" as a "Rank, Profession, or Occupation" and wonder what it > means? > > The entry applies to 2 girls aged 19 & 22 > > Robert KEMSLEY > Australia

As there has been a flurry of people asking for location advice, I am posting this information from the latest online National Archives newsletter: "Street indexes from the 1841, 1851 and 1871 census returns are now online at Your Archives, The National Archives’ Wiki. They also plan to include the 1861 and 1891 census street indexes as well." I have checked them briefly and found Newcastle, Gateshead and Morpeth areas covered on the 1841 census. On the 1851 census, Gateshead and Newcastle areas are covered Up to now only the 1881, 1901 and 1911 census have been street indexed online, so this is a very helpful and free resource. Gen in NBL _________________________________________________________________ View your other email accounts from your Hotmail inbox. Add them now. http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/186394592/direct/01/

Michael & Brian, Many thanks for the link, that is a more user friendly way to get at those old maps, which I wasn't aware of (although I think the clarity is slightly better on some of the versions on the www.british-history.ac.uk site). But Michael, wondering where you get the postcode from for Hanging Side? Is this on the basis of its sequence on the 1881 listing? As although it does come between Rising Sun Farm & Scaffold Hill on the 1881 listing, this doesn't always appear to be the case, and I still cannot see it on any of the maps available from the Durham Council site? The reason I am trying to identify it more explicitly, is that I am in the process of documenting some of the locations in this area of the parish on TNA's 'Your Archives' site (see http://yourarchives.nationalarchives.gov.uk/index.php?title=Place:Longbenton _Parish%2C_Northumberland ) , a project which incidentally dates back to a query regarding the location of Richard Pit on this group many years ago, and so far Hanging Side is the only one which I have not been able to locate. Dave -----Original Message----- From: northumbria-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:northumbria-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Dixymick@aol.com Sent: 15 December 2009 01:22 To: northumbria@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NMB] Place Name Hanning(or Hanging) Side, Longbenton Dave, Hanging/Hanning Side was close ( from 1881 census listings) to the Rising Sun Farm. It's postcode is NE2 89JL ( Co-ordinates NZ3068 or NZ302686) Durham County Council web site has a GIS mapping feature ( sorry unable to get link to work) which allows map search by postcode. Then when centred on modern day spot you can chose historical map versions back to 1850s. The pits nearby are to west and south. Quarry to east. Have a go yourself at navigating around the area. Michael The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORTHUMBRIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Robert. Perhaps the context might help ! What was census and the reference ? Michael

Thanks Geoff, you're probably correct, it could be Two Ball Lonnen. The name has always puzzled me. In the 1950s we used to deal with the The British Thomson-Houston Company (B.T.H) who were based there. Lancelot Middlesbrough From Wikipedia *British Thomson-Houston* (BTH) was a British <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom> engineering <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Engineering> and heavy industrial <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heavy_industry> company, based at Rugby, Warwickshire <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rugby,_Warwickshire>, England <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/England>. They were known primarily for their electrical systems and steam turbines <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steam_turbine>. They were merged with the similar Metropolitan-Vickers <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metropolitan-Vickers> company in 1928, but the two maintained their own identities until _1960_. The holding company, Associated Electrical Industries <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Associated_Electrical_Industries> (AEI), would later merge with GEC <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_General_Electric_Company> which exists today as Marconi Corporation plc <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telent_plc>.

Dave, Rising Sun Farm is there today. I used it's postcode ! But navigating around the area on the maps and back in time I did not see H.Side. I have a hunch that the area was only just within the eastern boundary of Longbenton Parish or even just inside Wallsend Parish. >From Genuki website...... NZ298683 for the pit, NZ300680 and NZ300690 for the farm and/or community ? Michael

Just interest, but does anyone know how the name of the street One Ball Lonnen originated? I notice that there is also a Two Ball Lonnen. Lancelot Middlesbrough.

Anyone know ŒThe Old Mill¹ on or close to New Mills? I would be interested in any history. Thanks, Elizabeth

robin@scottishwool.com wrote: >> http://tinyurl.com/durhamgis > Brian that takes me to the Durham Miner site > http://gis.durham.gov.uk/website/interMAP/viewer.htm > > This not only covers Co Durham but a much wider area including > Northumberland They both cover substantial parts of Northumberland - in fact the two websites seem to be different front ends to the same facility - Durham County Council's Geographic Information System (GIS). Brian -- Brian Pears (Gateshead, UK) http://www.bpears.org.uk/ Joint List Admin NORTHUMBRIA Genealogy Mailing List GENUKI Northumberland Maintainer

On 15/12/09 02:28, "Brian Pears" <bp@bpears.org.uk> wrote: > Dixymick@aol.com wrote: >> Durham County Council web site has a GIS mapping feature ( sorry unable to >> get link to work) which allows map search by postcode. Then when centred >> on modern day spot you can chose historical map versions back to 1850s. >> The pits nearby are to west and south. Quarry to east. Have a go yourself >> at >> navigating around the area. > > Try > > http://tinyurl.com/durhamgis Brian that takes me to the Durham Miner site Try http://gis.durham.gov.uk/website/interMAP/viewer.htm This not only covers Co Durham but a much wider area including Northumberland Robin

In a message dated 15/12/2009 11:49:54 GMT Standard Time, SirLancelot@talktalk.net writes: Just interest, but does anyone know how the name of the street One Ball Lonnen originated? I notice that there is also a Two Ball Lonnen. Lancelot: I've never heard of a One Ball Lonnen but Two Ball Lonnen, as far as I can remember having been told many years ago, occupies the site of what was originally the drive to one of the large local houses - perhaps Fenham Hall. There were elaborate gateposts at the end of the drive and they were in the form of pillars, each capped with an ornate "ball". You may prefer not to read this next paragraph - but its true. I friend of mine once spent a long time in hospital. He told me that he was in the next bed to a man who had a very dry sense of humour. When asked what he was in hospital for, he said, quite genuinely, that he had to have a testicle removed. "I wuddn't care", he said, with his "posh Geordie" accent, "but aa live in Two Baall Lonnen". Geoff Nicholson

Good Morning Brian. I am interested in the site you have given the address for. Does it cover South Shields? I am interested in " 164 Stevenson Street South Shields ; where my grand father live from about 1891 till 1924 {his death] But I do not know what the post code is as I understand that the street was demolished many years ago. This I hope will help me to find the coal mine that he worked at during this time.. More background to his life Any help that anyone can give would be appreciated. I was very interested in the "Pubis" that you all visited in he days of long ago. I never knew the area except for about short time [aug - sept 1939] when I was visiting my grandmother in south shields Wishing you all the seasons greetings and may all your brick wall come down during the next year Regards Peter Collins Cheltenham England ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Pears" <bp@bpears.org.uk> To: <northumbria@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2009 2:28 AM Subject: Re: [NMB] Place Name Hanning(or Hanging) Side, Longbenton > Dixymick@aol.com wrote: >> Durham County Council web site has a GIS mapping feature ( sorry >> unable to >> get link to work) which allows map search by postcode. Then when >> centred >> on modern day spot you can chose historical map versions back to >> 1850s. >> The pits nearby are to west and south. Quarry to east. Have a go >> yourself at >> navigating around the area. > > Try > > http://tinyurl.com/durhamgis >

Peter, Post codes for Stevenson St, West & East, South Shields ....NE33 4AG NE33 3PN The Fighting Cocks pub was/in Albion Row. I am adding a Blyth perspective to the Newcastle pubs reminisced about earlier by listers ..... As I was growing up in Blyth in 1950/60s, my old grannie warned me not to go to Newcastles as the "toonies" would do me harm. She thought they were all ruffians and pickpockets. I wonder if we have been hearing from some of them. So I stayed in my home territory to frequent the posh pubs in Blyth.(e.g. Prince of Wales, Golden Fleece, The Buffalo, The Waterloo) Michael Dixon