Sunderland is on the NORTH side of the River Wear and Monkwearmouth is on the south side of the River Wear. A bridge connects the Two.. Betty. >> > The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at > http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NORTHUMBRIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.725 / Virus Database: 270.14.142/2623 - Release Date: 01/15/10 03:35:00

DONNA ETHERINGTON wrote: > was it definitely Dobson/New Bridge Street, as I actually work in > a church on Northumberland Road and it is now (for university > purposes) called Trinity Building??? I dont know anything about > the church itself as I have tried to find info about it on the > web, but I havent found anything. > > I have a picture of two of the church if you would like to see it Donna/Neil As I wrote in my previous response, Trinity Chapel on New Bridge Street ceased being a church in 1896. From what I can gather, the majority of the building was demolished before WW1, though the rear seems to have been incorporated into later buildings. The building you are in, Trinity Building, was indeed Trinity Chapel (Trinity Presbyterian Church) from 1896 to 1970. There's a pic at http://sine.ncl.ac.uk/view_image.asp?digital_doc_id=5924 Brian -- Brian Pears (Gateshead, UK) http://www.bpears.org.uk/ Joint List Admin NORTHUMBRIA Genealogy Mailing List GENUKI Northumberland Maintainer

John and Brian Many thanks - to John for prompting me to look at directories and maps, and to Brian for the history. Neil --- On Fri, 15/1/10, Brian Pears <bp@bpears.org.uk> wrote: > From: Brian Pears <bp@bpears.org.uk> > Subject: Re: [NMB] Trinity Presbyterian Church, Newcastle > To: nmcdmail-r@yahoo.co.uk, northumbria@rootsweb.com > Date: Friday, 15 January, 2010, 14:14 > Neil MacDonald wrote: > > Does anyone know where Trinity Presbyterian Church > was?  > > Neil > > It was on Northumberland Road in the period of interest > to you. > > The congregation had its origins in the Ebenezer Chapel/ > Wall Knoll congregation which was founded in 1730. In > 1843, just after they'd built a  new chapel on Argyle > Street, there was a major split with a minority of the > congregation wanting to adhere themselves to the Church > of Scotland, and the majority wanting to stay with the > Presbyterian Church in England. > > The law courts ruled in favour of the minority - ie the > new building should be Church of Scotland - it was then > named Caledonian Chapel. Consequently the majority of > the congregation plus the minister went off and formed a > new congregation. > > At first the new congregation met in the Music Hall (on > Nelson Street) but in 1847 they built a new chapel, > Trinity > Chapel, on New Bridge Street. This was replaced in 1896 > by a new Trinity Chapel on Northumberland Road. > > In 1933 they were joined by the congregation of College > Road Chapel (which closed and was sold to Armstrong > College). > > Trinity Chapel closed in 1970. > > Brian

Hi was it definitely Dobson/New Bridge Street, as I actually work in a church on Northumberland Road and it is now (for university purposes) called Trinity Building???  I dont know anything about the church itself as I have tried to find info about it on the web, but I havent found anything. I have a picture of two of the church if you would like to see it Donna ________________________________ From: John Gallon <little.blobby2@btinternet.com> To: nmcdmail-r@yahoo.co.uk; northumbria@rootsweb.com Sent: Friday, 15 January, 2010 13:29:43 Subject: Re: [NMB] Trinity Presbyterian Church, Newcastle Does anyone know where Trinity Presbyterian Church was?  That name does not appear on the GENUKI list of Nonconformist Churches (http://www.genuki.bpears.org.uk/NBL/Newcastle/nonconf.html). > > I have two baptisms there in the period 1902-1904, which I believe have > come from the NDFHS (Newcastle Trinity Presbyterian Church, Birth & > Baptism 1848-1933). The family concerned lived in Holly Avenue, Jesmond. > > Neil Dear Neil, Trinity Presbyterian Church is listed in in Whellans Directory of Northumberland 1855 states ".Presbyterian..... the largest of these is TRINITY CHURCH which is situated in New Bridge Street. It was erected in 1817 from a design furnished by Mr. Dobson and is early English style of architecture. This edifice is 74 feet long by 39 broad and possesses ample accommodation for 850 persons. Looking at Godfrey's Central Newcastle Mao of 1894,  Trinity Church is indicated about where the Central Library is now. Yet in Wards 1936 Directory of Newcastle upon Tyne as being situated in Northumberland. Road.. John Walker, Newcastle upon Tyne little.blobby2@btinternet.com http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~littleblobby/ http://www.freewebs.com/littleblobby/ No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.730 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2623 - Release Date: 01/15/10 07:35:00 The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORTHUMBRIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Neil MacDonald wrote: > Does anyone know where Trinity Presbyterian Church was? Neil It was on Northumberland Road in the period of interest to you. The congregation had its origins in the Ebenezer Chapel/ Wall Knoll congregation which was founded in 1730. In 1843, just after they'd built a new chapel on Argyle Street, there was a major split with a minority of the congregation wanting to adhere themselves to the Church of Scotland, and the majority wanting to stay with the Presbyterian Church in England. The law courts ruled in favour of the minority - ie the new building should be Church of Scotland - it was then named Caledonian Chapel. Consequently the majority of the congregation plus the minister went off and formed a new congregation. At first the new congregation met in the Music Hall (on Nelson Street) but in 1847 they built a new chapel, Trinity Chapel, on New Bridge Street. This was replaced in 1896 by a new Trinity Chapel on Northumberland Road. In 1933 they were joined by the congregation of College Road Chapel (which closed and was sold to Armstrong College). Trinity Chapel closed in 1970. Brian -- Brian Pears (Gateshead, UK) http://www.bpears.org.uk/ Joint List Admin NORTHUMBRIA Genealogy Mailing List GENUKI Northumberland Maintainer

Does anyone know where Trinity Presbyterian Church was? That name does not appear on the GENUKI list of Nonconformist Churches (http://www.genuki.bpears.org.uk/NBL/Newcastle/nonconf.html). > > I have two baptisms there in the period 1902-1904, which I believe have > come from the NDFHS (Newcastle Trinity Presbyterian Church, Birth & > Baptism 1848-1933). The family concerned lived in Holly Avenue, Jesmond. > > Neil Dear Neil, Trinity Presbyterian Church is listed in in Whellans Directory of Northumberland 1855 states ".Presbyterian..... the largest of these is TRINITY CHURCH which is situated in New Bridge Street. It was erected in 1817 from a design furnished by Mr. Dobson and is early English style of architecture. This edifice is 74 feet long by 39 broad and possesses ample accommodation for 850 persons. Looking at Godfrey's Central Newcastle Mao of 1894, Trinity Church is indicated about where the Central Library is now. Yet in Wards 1936 Directory of Newcastle upon Tyne as being situated in Northumberland. Road.. John Walker, Newcastle upon Tyne little.blobby2@btinternet.com http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~littleblobby/ http://www.freewebs.com/littleblobby/ No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.730 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2623 - Release Date: 01/15/10 07:35:00

Does anyone know where Trinity Presbyterian Church was? That name does not appear on the GENUKI list of Nonconformist Churches (http://www.genuki.bpears.org.uk/NBL/Newcastle/nonconf.html). I have two baptisms there in the period 1902-1904, which I believe have come from the NDFHS (Newcastle Trinity Presbyterian Church, Birth & Baptism 1848-1933). The family concerned lived in Holly Avenue, Jesmond. Neil

Neil, Tyne & Wear Archives records show the chapel, once on Newbridge St, moving to Northumberland Rd- as already posted . Marriage 7th July 1897 William Marchbank of 31 Grove St, Newcastle >< Mary Elizabeth Havelock of 7 Percy Terrace, Newcastle.Witnesses Frank Marchbank and Alice M Havelock. Then the two baptisms you already have, 2 Sep 1902 and 26 Nov 1905. Michael

Thanks for all the input at the beginning of December. We've now got a collection of books from those suggested ... Kept quiet as gave several to my wife as Christmas presents and she reads the list emails too. For a serious review of academic research as of 1995 there is "Agriculture in depression 1870 -1940" by Richard Perren ISBN 0-521-55768-2 My interest is the dramatic change in fortunes of the family of James and Henrietta GARDNER who started farming in Dumfries after their marriage in 1869. In 1881 they are at Acton Farm Felton farming 308 acres. RG11/5120 folio 25 page 11 Hey appear to move to Newcastle in 1882 and describe themselves as farmers in 1881. This may have been in the Shield field area. By 1891 the family is scattered and the younger 4 are in institutions. Parents not yet found. Son Henry Gardner ( a farm carter) describes his father James as a farmer when he marries at Christchurch Shieldfield in 1893. The venture in Dumfries seems to have coincided with rent rises on the back of good years just as prices collapsed. It would appear that the crisis in farming finally caught up with them some 20 years later and by 1901 James and Henrietta are in the poorer parts of Gateshead where he is a labourer. Robin

I remember as a child (born outside Toronto) asking my dad the same question. He told me that he, from Monkwearmouth might, at a stretch, be considered a borderline Geordie. But (wink) my mother, from Bishopwearmouth, was beyond the pale entirely. And if I knew how to get rid of the pestilential - and untrue - note below, believe me I would do so Bruce Dodd Ottawa -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. We are a community of 6 million users fighting spam. SPAMfighter has removed 19 of my spam emails to date. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len The Professional version does not have this message

Hi Alan Here are a few websites that might help: http://www.englandsnortheast.co.uk/GeordieOrigins.html http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geordie http://www.une.edu.au/langnet/definitions/geordie.html Donna ________________________________ From: Alan Yarrow <alan@jyarrow.freeserve.co.uk> To: northumbria@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, 14 January, 2010 19:54:03 Subject: [NMB] Geordie origin Hi list, I always thought a Geordie was a Northumbrian miner, at least that was what I was told years ago. The apparent attachment of "geordie" to a person of Northumbrian/Durham is just a generalisation. Any other suggestions? Alan Y The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORTHUMBRIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi list, I always thought a Geordie was a Northumbrian miner, at least that was what I was told years ago. The apparent attachment of "geordie" to a person of Northumbrian/Durham is just a generalisation. Any other suggestions? Alan Y

Chris Hogg wrote: > Sorry not sure if this is the right way to request information as I have just joined the site. > > I am looking information on Hogg family members in Lowick from the 1800's or before. > > Has anyone by chance looked into this family. I have limited information on one branch of the family. Chris Yes your query is fine. The minimum for a query like this is surname, place and date and you give all three - you are researching a family called Hogg in Lowick in the early 1800s and earier. It might be better, however, if you mentioned at least one specific member of the family - perhaps the earliest you know a little about - and give as much information as you can about him. Full name, when born, when died, occupation, spouse's name, names of one or more of his children, or whatever you know. That way other subscribers with Hogg interests can better decide if your research and theirs overlap. Brian -- Brian Pears (Gateshead, UK) http://www.bpears.org.uk/ Joint List Admin NORTHUMBRIA Genealogy Mailing List GENUKI Northumberland Maintainer

Glenda > I hope that this is within the scope, Brian. Strictly speaking, no - there's no Northumberland/Co Durham association - but as it continues a thread I answered, I cannot grumble. > I suppose that the enquirer had thought to see if the cheque had been > cleared or that it was on his credit card statement? Sometimes it is easy > to overlook the obvious. A similar thought occurred to me - why not simply contact the Army Personnel Centre (Historic Disclosures) in Glasgow and ask about the progress of the order: Tel: 0845 600 9663 Email: disc4@apc.army.mod.uk Brian -- Brian Pears (Gateshead, UK) http://www.bpears.org.uk/ Joint List Admin NORTHUMBRIA Genealogy Mailing List GENUKI Northumberland Maintainer

Sorry not sure if this is the right way to request information as I have just joined the site. I am looking information on Hogg family members in Lowick from the 1800's or before. Has anyone by chance looked into this family. I have limited information on one branch of the family. Thank you Chris Hogg

I hope that this is within the scope, Brian. One should be careful about picking up records addresses from old publications. Best to get hold of most up to date info that can be accessed, paricularly with WW2 records. I thought to get hold of death info on a "missing" RAF uncle who appeared the Singapore War Memorial. I first tried an RAF address in an older Family History book -no reply. I then tried War Graves Commission - no reply. After a pause, I happened to pick up the RAF War Museum after a trail, through the means of info from a current magazine. Bingo! Very nice reply, info and no charge. I suppose that the enquirer had thought to see if the cheque had been cleared or that it was on his credit card statement? Sometimes it is easy to overlook the obvious. Regards Glenda

John I was always told that the true definition of a Geordie is one who is born and bred on the banks of the Tyne which in this case will take in both North and South banks including Hebburn, South Shields as well as Wallsend and North Shields from which I and my wife come from but alas not our son who unfortunately is one of the true 'Soft Southerners' having been born in Reading! We still refer to family visits as 'Going up home' Ronnie Vincent ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Gallon" <little.blobby2@btinternet.com> To: <northumbria@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 12:06 AM Subject: Re: [NMB] Elmfield House, Rowlands Gill > > >> >> What's " pure Geordie" ? >> >> Michael > > Somebody born in Newcastle upon Tyne. > > John > Walker, Newcastle upon Tyne > little.blobby2@btinternet.com > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~littleblobby/ > http://www.freewebs.com/littleblobby/ > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.725 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2615 - Release Date: 01/11/10 > 19:35:00 > > > The NORTHUMBRIA FAQ page is located at > http://www.bpears.org.uk/NorthumbriaFAQ/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NORTHUMBRIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.432 / Virus Database: 270.14.139/2619 - Release Date: 01/13/10 19:35:00

All Further to my note below. The page in question (page 24 of Gosforth) has the title crossed out and "Gosforth 1777" substituted but the original heading also seems to have the date amended to 1777. From knowledge of some of the burials (and confirmed by a gravestone) I now believe it is actually the page for Longbenton 1775 (five) Mike Fairless > ______________________________________________ > From: Fairless, Michael > Sent: 14 January 2010 08:48 > To: 'Northumbria Mailing list (Northumbria@rootsweb.com)' > Subject: Bishops Transcripts Gosforth and Longbenton > > All > This might help someone ! > I've been browsing through the Bishops Transcipts for Gosforth from > page 1, and page 24 although it has a cross through the whole page is > actually the page for Longbenton 1777. > So if you have been looking for anything in Longbenton for 1777 then > page 24 of Gosforth is the right one! > > Confusing isn't it? > > Mike Fairless >

All This might help someone ! I've been browsing through the Bishops Transcipts for Gosforth from page 1, and page 24 although it has a cross through the whole page is actually the page for Longbenton 1777. So if you have been looking for anything in Longbenton for 1777 then page 24 of Gosforth is the right one! Confusing isn't it? Mike Fairless

Brian Pears wrote: > Jim and Carol Howlett wrote: >> ditdahdah >> bore squared XPii Xstroke........not very much for a wormhole >> ditdahdahdah Apologies - I was writing to the sender of the above and copying the post to them. Somehow - and I don't know how - the quote was posted to the list. It was bad enough getting the above the first time, without repeating the exercise - sorry again. Brian -- Brian Pears (Joint List Admin NORTHUMBRIA Genealogy Mailing List}